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Town of Lansing
Monday, March 12, 2012 7:15 PM PLANNING BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
(Denotes present)
* Tom Ellis
Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson, Chairman
• Mary McTiernan, Alternate * David Hatfield
* Richard Prybyl
Nancy Loncto * Al Fiorille
Jeffrey Overstrom, EIT
Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Esq.
Robert Cree, TB Liaison
Public Present
Kathy Miller
illMaureen Cowan
Lawrence Fabbroni Jr.
Lawrence Fabbroni Sr.
Stephen Lucente
Ruth Hopkins
Ed LaVigne
General Business
Lin Davidson, Chairperson called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7:22 PM.
Mr. Davidson requested to know if there was anyone from the Public that wished to
speak with concerns other then what was on the Agenda. There were none
Discussion-Member concerns with PDA Expansion, Lucente Holdings-
Village Solars LLC, Warren Road & Village Circle
Chairman Davidson shared a prepared statement from Jeff Overstrom, Planning and
Zoning Coordinator with an update on the proposed expansion.
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Lucente, Village Solars Progress Meeting, March 8, 2012
Attendees: Kathy Miller, Jack French, Dave Herrick, Jeff Overstrom, Larry Fabbroni, Larry Fabbroni Jr.,
Steve Lucerne, Guy Krogh
Discussion: Status of Utility Infrastructure improvements
Sewer; Kathy Miller, Jeff Overstrom, Brent Cross, Don Hartill, Kate Sopron previously met to discuss
additional sewer units in the Warren Road Sewer District. The increase will include the proposed
additional units for the Lucente projects, Cardamone additional units, and residential connections that:
were not initially included in the District.
The additional units will not impact existing units and future connections originally calculated in the
Engineer's Report. The sewer use capacity report done by T.G. Miller will be revisited to ensure the
additional units will not impact the collection system. The Mutual Municipal Agreement between the
Town of Lansing Village of Lansing cod the Village of Cayuga Heights will need to be amended to refer.
the additional units.
Sewer capacity was discussed again at the March 8, meeting to provide information and status of
capacity for the developer as mentioned above.
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Water; Water Pressure is a concern in the area of proposed development. Dave Herrick presented
conceptual plans for Consolidated Water District Improvements that involved construction of a new
higher pressure zone that would include a new water tank and distribution improvements.
Larry Fabbroni asked if the Town would consider a hydropnuematic: booster station located near the
Village Circle tank. Dave Herrick will look into the demand, sizing and distribution improvements
involved with this option. Larry will work with Dave to provide information for this option.
Members-Developer discussed the following;
Roads
According to the original filed Plat, there is a 60 foot wide strip reserved for a future
road connection to Village Circle south. A Member questioned whether the Board
should consider the 60' road linking Dutch Mill and Village South be constructed as
part of this development?
Larry Fabbroni states Mr. Lucente would not have a problem with providing a 60 foot
right of way for that purpose. Mr. Fabbroni gave a brief history, indicating that
Cornelius Drost adamantly refused to build that connecting road when he did his
• subdivision. Mr. Fabbroni felt if the Planning Board really wanted a way for tenants to
go to work in the development park, they would build a pathway along the edge of the
60' right of way .
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Kathy Miller states she has spoken with Jack French, the Lansing Highway
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Superintendent and he mentioned if a road is installed connecting the two
developments together, it could create a thoroughfare. People who do not work or live
in the community will use it as a short cut.
Lin Davidson felt it was an easement and shall stay an easement, whether it' s for a trail
or road .
The general consensus was the easement remains .
In addition, on Village Circle North there is a little extension that appears to be a future
road connection to Springbook Circle. Should the two developments be connected?
Larry Fabbroni felt again, it would create a shortcut. Again, Mr. Lucente would not
have a problem giving an easement.
. Kathy Miller agreed an easement would probably be the way to go for years down the
road.
• Thomas Ellis agreed with the right of way for years to come.
There is a road section on Village Place that has not been deeded to the Town. Mr.
Fabbroni states he believes that transfer of ownership fell through the cracks . Rocco
Lucente gave the town a piece of property to place a water tank and in turn, the town
takes care of the road . The Board is requesting that the road be deeded to the Town.
According to Mr. Fabbroni, the new road will be the primary entrance to the proposed
project, and will be a private road maintained by the Developer.
Ponds
Al Fiorille had safety concerns with the ponds in the proposal. Mr. Fabbroni states due
to the weather and conditions for this part of the region, Stormwater Ponds and Water
Gardens are being used as customary to meet the New York State requirements for
Stormwater Practices. New York State does NOT regulate Ponds .
Trails
Maureen Cowan indicated the trails outlined in this project look superb. The Developer
will maintain all trials within the development. Ms . Cowan states it is critical for
• easements to be in place in the early stage . Ms. Cowan inquired as to the timing of the
trails, are they put in the beginning, end, etc . . . .
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Mr. Fabbroni states the project will be staged, therefore if a proposed walkway/ trail is
sketched in on the plans for that stage, most likely that would get approved at that time.
No specific guidelines with respect to the size of easement for trails have been set by the
Lansing Pathway Committee or The town.
Thomas Ellis requested to see from the Lansing Pathway Committee a Master Plan of
how the trails will connect in and out of this project and where they would suggest the
easement be placed. Other Members agreed with. Mr . Ellis .
Dave Hatfield made a motion to adjourn the Meeting at 8 :20 PM . Richard Prybyl
seconded the motion and it was carried by the following roll call vote:
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Thomas Ellis , Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Al Fiorille , Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) David Hatfield , Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Richard Prybyl , Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Norman L . Davidson , Chairman
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Lucente, Village Solars Progress Meeting, March 8, 2012
Attendees : Kathy Miller, Jack French, Dave Herrick, Jeff Overstrom, Larry Fabbroni, Larry Fabbroni Jr.,
Steve Lucente, Guy Krogh
Discussion : Status of Utility Infrastructure Improvements
Sewer; Kathy Miller, Jeff Overstrom, Brent Cross, Don Hartill, Kate Supron previously met to discuss
additional sewer units in the Warren Road Sewer District . The increase will include the proposed
additional units for the Lucente projects, Cardamone additional units, and residential connections that
were not initially included in the District .
The additional units will not impact existing units and future connections originally calculated in the
1111 Engineer's Report. The sewer use capacity report done by T.G . Miller will be revisited to ensure the
additional units will not impact the collection system . The Mutual Municipal Agreement between the
Town of Lansing Village of Lansing and the Village of Cayuga Heights will need to be amended to reflect
the additional units .
Sewer capacity was discussed again at the March 8, meeting to provide information and status of
capacity for the developer as mentioned above .
Water; Water Pressure is a concern in the area of proposed development . Dave Herrick presented
conceptual plans for Consolidated Water District Improvements that involved construction of a new
higher pressure zone that would include a new water tank and distribution improvements.
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Larry Fabbroni asked if the Town would consider a hydropnuematic booster station located near the
Village Circle tank. Dave Herrick will look into the demand, sizing and distribution improvements
involved with this option . Larry will work with Dave to provide information for this option .
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Village Circle PDA
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Additional Information to Address Planning Board Questions / Concerns
Lucerne Homes; Village Solars LLC
3 /12/2012
Road Connections
Dutch Mill Rd.
The developers' preference is to maintain separation between the Business Park and the
residential neighborhood. It would be anticipated that such a connection would result solely
in an increase of industrial traffic through the residential neighborhood. For this reason, if
this connection is desirable, it would stand to reason that a new road should be completed
by parties of interest from the Business Park, not the developers of the PDA.
Spiingbrook
No buildings are currently planned in the mapped extension connecting to Springbrook Rd.
Proposed Private Drive
The proposed private drive_between Village .Circle North and South serves several critical
• functions in the Village Solars development.
• Provides access to the Community Center which will host amenities, resident
services, as well as events.
• Provides access to interior parking areas, eliminating the need for higher volumes of
vehicular circulation through parking areas (increasing safety), and providing ease in
wayfinding for visitors and residents.
• Provides interior access for emergency and service vehicles.
The current property located between Village Circle North and South accesses the site off of
Warren Rd, and it would be anticipated that if a drive were not present, access to a large
parking lot would be proposed. A private drive will provide greater ease for vehicular
movements. The preliminary traffic study submitted to the Planning Board in February 2012
outlines the projected peak volumes which present no anticipated issues.
• The drive is proposed to be private in order to not add additional maintenance and
upkeep to the Town.
• The drive is contained entirely within the Village Solars project, which would be
owned and maintained exclusively by the Village Solars, LLC., and thus would not
present the issues of multiple owners that has been cited.
• The drive is proposed to be publicly accessible. If the Town would like assurances
that the drive remain that way in perpetuity, provisions can be added to the approval
of the PDA.
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Ponds
Current stormwater regulations make it inevitable that a project of this size will include rain
gardens/wetlands and ponds. These will be present on the site in some fashion, the proposal
is to incorporate them in an aesthetically pleasing fashion, which also serve as a part of the
outdoor spaces that will be open to the public.
Trails
It is anticipated that the pathway network will be built to create a pedestrian network that
connects all areas of the PDA. Following the February meeting, a request was made to the
Pathway Committee representative to invite the project architect to a future meeting to
address any outstanding items or requests they may have.
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Table 3 . 2 Green Infrastructure Techniques Acceptable for Runoff iReduction
Group Practice Description
Retain the pre-development hydrologic and water quality
Conservation of characteristics of undisturbed natural areas, stream and wetland
natural areas buffers by restoring and/or permanently,.conservingthese areas on a
site.
Undisturbed natural areas such as forested conservation areas and
Sheetflow to riparian stream buffers or vegetated filter strips and riga Lan�buffers can be
buffers or filter strips... , used to treat and control stormwate ru offifrom_s me areas of a
development project.
The natural drainage paths, o,ra roeeerrly designed vegetatedchanneels,
Vegetated open Swale can be used instead of constructing underground storm sewers or
concrete open cels to increase,time.of concentration, reduce the
j-._peak discharge, and provide infiltration.
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Plant or conserve trees to reduce stormwater runoff, increase nutrient
uptake, and provide bank stabilization. Trees can be used for
Tree planting / tree box applications such as landscaping, stormwater management practice
areas, conservation areas and erosion and sediment control.
Disconnection of "Dir-eet= a off.from,residential rooftop areas and upland overland
rooftop runoff runoff flow t_o_designated.,penviousar,s to reduce runoff volumes and
• Runoff ' rates .
Reduction Stream Daylight previously-culverted/piped streams to restore natural
Techniques Stream daylighting for habitats, better attenuate runoff by increasing the storage size,
redevelopment projects promoting infiltration, and help reduce pollutant loads.
Manage and treat small volumes of stormwater runoff using a
Rain garden conditioned planting soil bed andplanting materials to filter runoff
stored'within a shallow depression.
Capture runoff by a layer of vegetation and soil installed on top of a
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Green roof conventional flat or sloped roof. The rooftop vegetation allows
evaporation and evapotranspiration processes to reduce volume and
discharge rate of runoff entering conveyance system.
Small landscapedstormwater treatment..devices that can be designed
as infiltration or filtering practices. Stormwater planters use soil
Stormwater planter infiltration and biogeochemical processes to decrease stormwater
quantity and improve water quality.
R• ain tank/Cistem Capture and store stormwater runoff to be used for irrigation systems
" "' �° or filtered and reused for non-contact activities.
Pervious types of pavements that provide an alternative to
conventional paved surfaces, designed to infiltrate rainfall through the
Porous Pavement surface, thereby reducing stormwater runoff from a site and providing
some pollutant uptake in the underlying soils.
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• Practices resulting in a reduction of contributing area
o Examples: preservation/restoration of conservation areas, vegetated channel, etc.
• Practices resulting in areduction_of contributing volume
o Example: green roofs, stormwater planters, and rain gardens
The standard SMPs with RRv capacity are listed in Table 3 . 5 . A designer can apply the following
percentages of WQv (provided by the standard SMP) towards meeting the RRv sizing criteria, provided
the design of the practice complies with the "Required Elements" in Chapter 6:
Table 3 .5 Runoff Reduction Capacity for Standard SMPs
SMP RRv Capacity
(% of WQv provided by practice)
Infiltration Practices 90%
(by source control)
Bioretention Practice 80% in HSG A and B (without underdrain)
40% HSG C and D (with underdrain)
• Dry Swale 40% in HSG A and B
(Open Channel Practice)
20% in HSG C and D
If the standard SMPs with RRv capacity listed above are going to be used to address the RRv criteria, the
practices must be designed to capture runoff near the source. The practices must be localized systems that
are installed throughout the site at each runoff source, thereby minimizing the use of traditional "end-of-
pipe" treatment systems.
Note : The sizing criteria for RRv is provided in Chapter 4 and the design specifications for the green
infrastructure techniques are provided in Chapter 5 of this Manual.
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By applying a combination of green infrastructure techniques and standard SMPs with RRv capacity, the
designer must reduce 100% of the WQv calculated in Step 2. If the RRv calculated in this step is greater
than or equal to the WQv calculated in Step 2, the designer has met the RRv requirement and may
proceed to Step 5 . When compliance cannot be achieved on the first try, designers must return to prior
• steps to see if an alternative combination of the green infrastructure techniques and standard SMPs with
RRv capacity can be applied to achieve compliance with the RRv sizing criteria.
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If a designer cannot reduce 100% of the WQv by applying a combination of the green infrastructure
techniques and standard SMPs with RRv capacity, they must, at a minimum, reduce runoff from a
percentage of the impervious area constructed as part of the project using the green infrastructure
techniques and standard SMPs with RRv capacity (see Hydrologic Soil Group Specific Reduction Factor
(S) in Chapter 4). In addition, the designer must provide justification in the SWPPP that evaluates each
of the green infrastructure techniques listed in Table 3 .2 and identifies the specific site limitations that
make application of the technique(s) infeasible (see RRv sizing criteria in Chapter 4). The designer can
then proceed to Step 4.
Step 4 : Apply Standard Stormwater Management Practices to Address Remaining Water Quality
Volume
In Step 4, the designer uses standard SMPs (see Table 3 .3 ) such as filtering practices, ponds, or
stormwater wetlands to meet additional water quality volume requirements that cannot be addressed by
applying the green infrastructure techniques and standard SMPs with RRv capacity. The designer must
verify that the RRv requirement has been met; otherwise the plan does not comply with the required
sizing criteria in Chapter. 4.
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i Step 5 : Apply Volume and Peak Rate Control Practices if Still Needed to Meet Requirements
The channel protection volume, overbank flood control, and extreme flood control must be met for the
plan to be completed. In Step 5 , the designer may use practices such as infiltration basins, dry detention
basins, and blue roofs to meet water quantity requirements.
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9. , .>N ZONING, PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT
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t Lansing, NY 14882
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E-mail : tolcodes@twcny.rr.com
Web : www.lansingtown.com Town of Lansing
Planning Board Meeting
March 12, 2012 at 7: 15 PM
Lansing Town Hall - Large Court Rm.
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Agenda .
Time: Agenda Topics
0 7:15 P. M. Public Comments/ Concerns •
Discussion -Member concerns with PDA Expansion, Lucente
Holdings- Village Solars LLC, Warren Road & Village Circle
Approval / Denial of February 13, 2012 PB Minutes
Any other business deemed necessary
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