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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-08-11 APPROVED oam10aPB • Town of Lansing Monday, August 11, 2008 7:15 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (4Nnolt5 prc etil) * Nancy Loncto Torn Ellis * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson, Chairman * Viola Miller " David Hatfield • Matthew Besemer, Town Board Liaison * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer Jeffrey Ovc rstrom, ELI Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Esq _ Public Present Ruth Hopkins • Keith Armstrong General Business Lin Davidson called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7: 17 PM . Public Comments/Concerns Mr . Davidson, Chairman inquired if there were any Public Bodies present that would like to make a statement. There were none . Site Plan Review- Expansion of Auto Repair Building, Applicant Keith Armstrong, 43 Lockerby Hill Rd, Tax Parcel # 17. -1 -11 . 31 Keith Armstrong is requesting site plan approval to add a 16' x 32' open shed addition to his existing auto repair building at 43 Lockerby Hill Road . Mr. Armstrong has operated the business for approximately 5 years in the same location. His home is located on the same parcel . The entire area is in the Ag District. Mr . Davidson shared the following comments from Town Engineer, Jeff Overstrom; August 11 , 2008 • 1 r APPROVED oar> >roa Pe To: Lin Davidson, Planning Board Chair • From: Jeff Overstrom, Engineering & Planning Coordinator Re : Armstrong Property Mr. Armstrong is proposing a 16 ft. x 32 ft. shed roof expansion on an existing structure . The top soil will be stripped and approximately 6- 10 inches of gravel will be placed under the structure. The top soil will be used to grade around the existing structure. The total project site will disturb well under a total of one acre. The proposed roof expansion will create an increase in impervious cover however, I do not feel this increase will greatly impact stone water runoff from this site . The site will be graded, mulched and seeded to establish vegetation and stabilize the site around the structure . Larry Sharpsteen stated for the record that this is an expansion of an existing use. David Hatfield commented how %yell manicured the property is kept. The Planning Board reviewed Part I of the Short Environmental Assessment Form completed by the Applicant and completed Part H . No significant adverse environmental impact or effects were identified in Part H by the Planning Board Members . • David Hatfield made a motion declaring a negative declaration . Viola Miller seconded . VOTE : David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . David Hatfield made a motion to approve the Site Plan as presented and waive any / all Public Hearing(s) . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . • Approval/Denial of July 21 , 2008 2 3 APPROVED oem108 PB Viola Miller stated she has a very serious objection to having Ms . Wilcox' s letter referring to June 9, 2008 Planning Board Meeting made a part of the July 21 , 2008 Minutes . Ms . Miller does not have a problem with the Minutes referring to Ms . Wilcox ' s letter as an addendum . Ms . Miller further stated The Planning Board Meetings are centered on an Agenda , and Ms . Wilcox ' s letter was not a topic for discussion . The Planning Board ' s final vote on whether to make the letter a part of the record was not acted on due to the motion dying for lack of a 2nd . Nancy Loncto stated a motion was made to accept Ms . Wilcox' s letter as part of the Minutes, but there was not a 2nd , therefore, the Motion died . Ms . Loncto requested that a correction be made to the Minutes reflecting that vote . Larry Sharpsteen states any portion of any letter or comment addressed to the Planning Board that has to do with personal attack should never be recorded in the Minutes of the Planning Board . Mr . Sharpsteen states it has never happened in his 28 yrs on the Board and should not start now . The Planning Board is not in business of supporting or providing a forum for personal attack items. Lin Davidson, Chairman of the Board states he contacted Legal Counsel at The New York Planning Federation and was advised that the letter as it pertains to the Maiming Board Meeting can be placed in the Town ' s Skate Park file, • however, the portion of the letter that pertains to after the Meeting can be struck . The alternative would be to include the whole letter and obtain a disclaimer from the person who was quoted to be included in the file . Larry Sharpsteen indicated the statements made during the Meeting of July 9th were also addressed that night, at which time he stated the health, safety and well being of the citizens of the town are the business of the Planning Board • when doing a Site Plan Review . Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept Nancy' s amendment to the Minutes . Nancy Loncto seconded . VOTE David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . • 3 , APPROVED 1;OB P8 Larry Sharpsteen stated in his opinion only the portions of the letter that pertain • to the Meeting and the contents of the action of the Planning Board that was being discussed , i . e . The Skate Park should be placed in the folder recording the activity on the Application , and the portions reflecting after the Meeting should be removed, not placed in the Minutes . Lin Davidson, Chairman reminded the Board of the Open Meeting Law, Section 106 . Larry Sharpsteen made a motion requesting that Ms . Wilcox' s letter be inserted into the Skate Park File with the part not pertinent to the Planning Board Meeting be struck. The letter will not be made a part of the July 21 , 2008 Minutes, however, the Minutes will reflect that there was a letter and can be seen in the file. Nancy Loncto seconded . VOTE David Hatfield - Ave Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Niiller - Ave Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . • Approval/ Denial of July 28 , 2008 Viola Miller stated she was not in attendance for the Meeting of July 28, 2008 . Nancy Loncto made a motion to approve as amended . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE : David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . New Zoning Ordinance Committee Larry Sharpsteen advised the Members that the newly established Zoning Ordinance Committee will be meeting soon for the first time . Mr . Sharpsteen and Mr . Davidson from the Planning Board have been asked to be a part of that Committee . • Planning Budget 4 APPROVED owl 1108 P8 Viola Miller brought to the Board ' s attention that Zoning is not a part of the Planning Board . The Planning Board has been asked by the Town Board in the past to work on the Zoning however, it should be made clear that any cost associated with the Zoning changes is the obligation of the Town Board . Clinton, NY Planning Board Training Workshop Nancy Loncto shared her feelings on a recent Workshop she, Lin and Viola attended at Hamilton College, in Clinton NY . Ms . Loncto stated it was a fabulous Workshop and she came away with a lot of new knowledge . Proposed Farm Pond Circle Subdivision It was brought to Richard Platt, C. E . O . ' s attention that on the proposed Map that was presented at the Developer' s Conference, there are were no paper roads to go to potential other developments or an emergency exit. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to adjourn the Meeting at 8 : 07 PM . David Hatfield seconded . VOTE : David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye • Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . • 5 • Town of Lansing Planning board Meeting August 11 , 2008 Visitors Please Sign In Below : (Please Print) Name Address es:-\ ma) .-tk, ; Ab\ou cecP U \C.:1Am ,Sci korb7 • http : //www. lansingtown . com/ • 4, "�` TOWN of LANSING et 14 ` ° " Monte of Industry , Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " :fat( ZONIiNC , PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT E ` 1 BUN 186 ' Lansing, NY 14882 .1 : E-mail tulcodcs@twenv. rr . cum Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting August 1.1. , 2008 7: 15 PM Lansing Town Hall - Large Court Rm . hupWwww.lansingtown.com / Agenda Time: Agenda Topics 7 : 20 P. M. Public Comments/Concerns 7 : 25 P. M . Site Plan Review-Expansion of Auto Repair Building, Applicant Keith Armstrong, 43 Lockerby Hill Road , Tax Parcel # 17 . - 1 - 11 . 31 7 :45 P. M . Approval of July 21 , 2008 & July 28 , 2008 Minutes APPROVED 07/28/08 PB Town of Lansing Monday, July 28, 2008 7: 15 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS Mansion present) Nancy Loncto Tom Ellis Larry Sharpsteen Lin Davidson, Chairman Viola Miller * David Hatfield Matthew Besemer, Town Board Liaison Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer , Jeffrey OVt, r_ti trUnl, FIT Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Esq . Public Present Ruth Hopkins Ronald Seacord • Wayne Matteson , P. P. Jack Jensen Jill Vaughan Elisabeth Hegarty • Diane Dawson Dennis Read Martha Laux Lorraine Fetch Brian Siddall Ken Fetch Andy Sciarabba Donald Harper Emma [-Earner Sue Henne Paul Southard Cindy Jay Jim Eyster Timothy Buhl, P. E. General Business Lin Davidson called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7: 17 PM. Public Comments/Concerns Mr. Davidson, Chairman inquired if there were any Public Bodies present that would like to make a statement. Jim Eyster of 1 Fiddlers Green stated he has made a couple of observation after reviewing the last Planning Board Minutes with the proposed Zoning Ordinance changes . Mr. Eyster states it looks like a " blood bath" with almost everything 1 V ' APPROVED 07P28JQ8 PB • being changed . According to Mr. Eyster, it looks like the Planning Board is loosing the ability to approve plans . Mr . Eyster has concerns that the new Engineer has no planning education or experience and is concerned with the way the rational planning is being removed from the Planning Board and put in the hands of an employee who is over seen by the Town Supervisor . Mr . Eyster further stated he had applied to the new Zoning Committee as well as 7 or 8 other friends that had good planning experience and he was advised that the establishment of the new Committee was on hold due to lack of Applicants . Mr. Eyster is hoping that this will not be a " white wash " job waiting for enough people that will agree with the Town Board . Mr. Eyster inquired from the Town Board Liaison as to the status of such Committee. Matthew Besemer advised Mr. Eyster that the Supervisor felt there were not enough Applications received so he extended the process for an additional 2 weeks making the deadline August 1 , 2008 . There still will be a Committee put together to review the proposed Zoning Ordinance changes . Mr. Besemer further stated a number of the Applicants were from the same district, where as the Town would like to have a variety of Members from the different areas to represent their district . Mr. Eyster is advising the new Committee not to " fast track" these proposed • changes. Larry Sharpsteen explained that he and Mr. Davidson has been asked to serve on this Committee . Mr . Sharpsteen stated that the proposed Zoning Ordinance changes are still in the discussion mode between both Boards and quite frankly, they are going well . With regards to Mr. Overstrom, he brings a great deal of experience as a Municipal infrastructure Engineer to the Town. Further Discussion on Lansing Commons Subdivision, Phase I (Lots 1 -12 of 37), Cayuga Vista Drive, Ron Seacord, Owner, Tax Parcel No . 37. 1 -2-53 . 222. Mr. Davidson asked for Public comments regarding this subdivision . There were not at this time . Mr . Davidson inquired from Mr . Seacord as to the status of his project. Mr . Seacord indicated they are working on the SEQR process, and the Town Board would like to have further community input on the project at this time. Larry Sharpsteen inquired from Mr . Matteson, RE . for the Developer that it was his understanding that the Town can go no further until they hear from the State • with regards to the Package Plant. 2 APPROVED 07128108 PB • Mr . Matteson stated, correct. David Hatfield inquired if this was considered a PDA ? Larry Sharpsteen states no, the Developer did not choose to go that route. Nancy Loncto read in the Zoning Ordinance, page 43, the intent of a PDA . Larry Sharpsteen explained to the Public that the Developer, Ron Seacord will be building the Sewer Plant for his Subdivision . Thomas Ellis further stated the Town will actually own the Sewage Plant and the 28 lots with residential homes on them will generate enough revenue to cover expenses related to the operation / up keep of this plant. Lin Davidson, Chairman advised the Public that any further questions or concerns regarding the Sewer Plant should be directed to the Town Board as they are the Lead Agency for the SEQR process . Brian Siddall stated this is a " back door " way of getting around the Town residents . The Town residents have already said they do not want Sewer. Thirteen other residents were also concerned with Mr . Siddall' s issue . • Roger Van De Poel who resides in the neighborhood is concerned with the safety of the neighborhood due to the increase in the amount of thru traffic . Mr . Van De Poel is suggesting that maybe Stop Sign be erected at Woodsedge Sr Cayuga Vista come together . Mr . Seacord expressed that if the State did not approve the Sewage Treatment Plant, then the Subdivision would not happen. Further Discussion on Cayuga Farms Condo Project, WB Property Group LLC for a proposed 138 unit Condo project on N. Triphammer Road, in the Town of Lansing, New York and otherwise known as Tax Parcel No . 37.1 -6-3. 362. Nancy Loncto informed the Public that a part of the consideration that comes before the Planning and Town Board is consideration at the Preliminary Nat stage of Preliminary Plans, details, and specifications for all water, sanitary sewer and storm sewer lines. There will detailed information regarding all utilities . • 3 APPROVED 07128108 PB • Richard Platt, C . E . O advised Mr . Buhl, P . E. for the Developer that the SEQR Hearing held on June 9, 2008 was opened and closed on that date . The intention of the Planning Board was to keep it open, however that did not happen. Part II of the SEQR will require another Public Hearing at a later date. Prior to the Hearing, the Town would like to see a more detailed plan of the Sewer . Mr. Platt further advised Mr. Buhl that according to Jeff Overstrom., Town Engineer the Planning Department should not be submitting a 239 to the County without having a Sewer Plan . Lin Davidson also advised Mr. Buhl from a Planning perspective, they also need detailed plans . Mr. Buhl is requesting a letter expressing exactly what the need is and degree of detail needed in order to move forward . Mr. Buhl gave an over explanation of the project to the Public present. Jill Vaughn had concerns with the two exits roads on to Triphammer with the increase in density by 138 Units . Also, 12 other residents have the same concerns . • Elisabeth Hegarty read the following and requested that her prepared statement be made part of the minutes . • 4 APPROVED 07!28/08 PB • Ltside. I"t` !"p lyV/ I/ �-"��' ■� I •8 I� ® Pageofi 1t fr*�� u,� 4t L_' _ ' ;f.- Ply 1 . Why weren't the property owners closest to the project notified? hen I spoke with the Town Planning Department in March of this year, I was advised that we, as property owners closest to the project, would be notified of the hearing . 2. Why was this hearing scheduled during the summer months when so many people are away and on SUPER SHORT NOTICE? In fact, in the town where I used to live , the Town Board didn't even meet during July and August. I will • definitely be requesting that the town consider having a second public hearing in • • September, October or November so people have more notice of the hearing and can bring informed questions to the Board. Please back me up on this so we can • get our petitions, etc. ready. 3. Approximately how many children will be housed in the complex and how will our school taxes be impacted? 4. Where will the school bus stop(s ) be located? 5. Will there be a fence or berm or some protection erected between the back yards of these units and Triphammer Road or will we be looking at people's backyards, not to mention the danger to children who are playing in them and who might stray onto Triphammer Road ? What safeguards will be taken to ensure that children will remain within the complex and not go near Triphammer? 6. Where will the entrance/exits to the complex be located? 7. Are there plans for traffic controls (lights, etc. ) at the corners of Hillcrest, Asbury Rd. or anywhere in between? 8. Is there a plan to reduce the speed limit on Triphammer to accommodate the extra traffic - such as 40 mph throughout the distance between Hillcrest and the 4- way fight? • 9. What about the trees that are at the far Western end of the property? Are they staying or going? Has anyone thought about the wildlife? • 10. Ditto the drainage ditches that house much wildlife - are they staying or going? Have any environmental impact studies been done? 11 . If the sewer project is not approved to bring the new sewer tine down Hillcrest to the proposed site of the building project, or even if it is, If, as a result of the construction project, any of the septic systems of the residents of Asbury Drive, Horvath Drive or Asbury Road sustain any damage to their septic systems - flooding , etc. (this occurred when the Triphammer Terrace area was developed for homes in the early 1990s ), would the construction company make the residents whole by paying for such losses? \r Mold ufyA3, 2(lf]$ Cp1.: le y5 5 • 5 i APPROVED 07/28/08 PB • Sue l-lenne of 19 East Meadow Drive is a retired teacher . Ms . Henne gave the public details of the recent drastic cuts in the Lansing School District cuts due to budget constraints . Ms . Henne is concerned with the number of students that could be introduced to the Lansing School as the result of this project . Ms. Henne further stated she heard that Mr . Buhl has worked on an impact statement and questioned whether the Planning Board or Engineer has spoken with the Superintendent of Schools regarding this impact. Mr. Buhl stated no . Diane Dawson of 10 Asbury Drive is the former Deputy Village Mayor of Lansing and does have experience with this type of Planning . Ms . Dawson • requested to know; 1 . Requested proof that the parcel is Medium Density residential 2 . Where the sewer line lateral will be connecting to the existing Town Sewer 3 . Is there a local owner of the property 4 . What is the upper end unit selling price 5 . Have you done a Market Study for Viability Dennis Read inquired where the western extension on Hillcrest would be extending to? • Larry Sharpsteen stated it the purpose of the Planning Board when considering any development within the Town to look at life safety, traffic patterns and an eye towards future connector roads . The western extension that Mr. Read is inquiring about is a connector road . Cindy Jay inquired about the time frame for this development. Ms. Jay also inquired if there would be a buffering. Timothy Buhl expressed that he has been planning this for a year and a half already . This would be Phased any where from 6-10 years . A buffering will be along Triphammer Road . Larry Sharpsteen made it perfectly clear for the Public that this proposed development discussion has not been hidden. All of the Planning Board Meeting are open to the Public, the Minutes are available on the Town Web Site and the Planning Department is available to answer any further questions or concerns regarding any Planning Board Agenda item (s) . Lin Davidson, Chairman advised the concerned citizens that when the time • comes for Public Hearings, all residents within 600' Will receive a notice . Mr . Davidson further stated this particular meeting is what the Members call their 6 APPROVED 07/28108 PB . " Working Meeting" however, the Planning Board Members felt they had not received much comments or concerns on the two large proposed projects . that they have been reviewing. The Board decided that they would put out a paid notice to the Public so that input from the residents could be taken into consideration on the projects . Lorraine Fetch asked the question of the Board if they thought this meeting has been productive, interesting and important enough to have made it available to the public, rather than just put it on the web . Paul Southard inquired if the proposal will require any Variances . Mr . Buhl advised no . Also, vitt there be any street lighting and Mr. Buhl advised yes . Jim Eyster indicated that with 138 units, each having 2 cars, it would increase cars traveling on Triphammer Road to approximately 300 more . Mr. Eyster stated he felt there should be a couple of traffic lights added . Mr. Buhl states a 2007 Traffic Study has been included in his SEQR report. SEAR for 1 Lot Subdivision , Applicant : John Flicks, Tax Parcel # 42 . - 1 - 1 . 122 Lin Davidson advised the Board that after speaking with Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt , he was advised to have the Board hold off completing the short form SEQR at this meeting due to neighbor notification not being sent out it. It was suggested that clarification come from Guy Krogh . Nancy Loncto stated her confusion comes from page 5 of the Subdivision Rules and Regulations , Article IV with regards to Exempt Subdivisions . Richard Platt, C . E . O . will speak to the Town Supervisor for clarification on this issue. John Young — Handout on future " English Village" style neighborhood , Waterwagon Road . Nancy Loncto made a motion requesting that we insert John Young ' s handout into the minutes . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS: Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye 7 APPROVED 07P28108 PE • MOTION CARRIED . Our plan for the IOU acres we own between Watcrwogon Read and Route 34 is to eventually develop it into three eparnte "Englich Village" style acigh?.orhoods . Each would consist of 20 to 25 homes clustered fairly densely amorist a comnton%y owned "Village Green", what kids could play. families picnic etc. it's ray nope that the= new family neighborhoods would allow for fairly intense use of the land (as the Town desires) without causing it r.o feet crowded or low class. An example of such a environmentally-friendly clustered development in England itself can be found et ,. s _ _ _: :in: • w. _ t obviously we'd dr thinga somevihat differently here in the Stites, but the Boric concert of creating a place, out just a collection of houses, is whet I like about the idea. The initial Village, location I have in mind would surround the private soccer field I built off Route 34 a few years ,.go, which would become the Village Croon. The main meson I haven't moved ahctrd with that development to date is the failure of the Town's proposed sever plans. Dense deseloprnent in areas with thio soil really dots eequiro the availability of:zwer and water. !\1y feettnn is that if you wont scuttle to the close together in a place like Lansing where there to no shortage of lrwd, you aced to give there an inventive to da so. If new soccer fields can he built nest to lite Rink (thus letting the convert my private field into a Village Green), it should he possible to path our English Villages" to famtlieo with pound children who could hen use the adjacent indoor and outdoor facilities for recreation year-round widtout their parents haviud to disco them everywhere i've already reached an egruwuent with Community Recreation to allow us to access their prirpurty dhotis by fcotfsxths that would be ".aid out from oar derctepmert . And I've been contorted on sebzml occasions urn-solicited by people who would like to live near The Rink fur the convenience of their kids. So I think that We a concept that will telly wo* if we can get eoeowa or sewage and permission to da outdoor recreation next to The Rink, I believe that I'd lx ahlo to design, build and market attractive, affordable, environmentally-friendly cow residential neighborhoods on my property along Waterwapee Road at a density that meets tiro t'own's desires for that area. With discussions already under way that could diad both a sewer line corning north along Triphammer Rwwf, and the Lard ties tlwliwmou changes required to let we repine my private weer d'>~I3 with something open to the public. all this could be in place within the next year or two. If here is anything I can do to help move these two protects along , I .hope you will letme know. CU-Structural Soil Handout Mr. Davidson suggested that Tim Buhl take a look at this handout as he had mentioned internal trails as oppose to sidewalks . Nancy Loneto clarified for the record with regard to Mr. Siddal ' s question as to how many Planning Board Members live in or are affected by these development . tEls. Eoncto stated the Board Members can not look at any project as living in a zone, the Board is charged by law with looking at the project as a whole community, and the impact from a community standpoint . Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to close the meeting at 8 :42 P . M . David Hatfield seconded . TOTE AS FOLLOWS: Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Ave Nancy Loncto - Aye ® Lamy Sharpsteen - Aye Lin. Davidson - Aye t f APPROVED 07/28108PB • MOTION CARRIED . • 9 d Gx )e)7y° BF ® Page 1 of 1 li Ai—Segu .y !e 0 M�M. - v' 7 .- i.- PM 1 . Whyweren 't the property owners closest to the project notified ? hen I spoke P p Y P • with the Town Planning Department in March of this year, I was advised that we , as property owners closest to the project , would be notified of the hearing . 2 . Why was this hearing scheduled during the summer months when so many people are away and on SUPER SHORT NOTICE ? In fact, in the town where I used to live , the Town Board didn 't even meet during July and August . I will definitely be requesting that the town consider having a second public hearing in September , October or November so people have more notice of the hearing and can bring informed questions to the Board . Please back me up on this so we can get our petitions , etc . ready . 3 . Approximately how many children will be housed in the complex and how will our school taxes be impacted? 4 . Where will the school bus stop (s ) be located ? 5 . Will there be a fence or berm or some protection erected between the back yards of these units and Triphammer Road or will we be looking at people 's backyards , not to mention the danger to children who are playing in them and who might stray onto Triphammer Road ? What safeguards will be taken to ensure that children will remain within the complex and not go near Triphammer? 6 . Where will the entrance/exits to the complex be located ? 7 . Are there plans for traffic controls ( lights , etc . ) at the corners of Hillcrest , Asbury Rd . or anywhere in between ? 8 . Is there a plan to reduce the speed limit on Triphammer to accommodate the ® extra traffic - such as 40 mph throughout the distance between Hillcrest and the 4- way light? 9 . What about the trees that are at the far Western end of the property ? Are they staying or going ? Has anyone thought about the wildlife ? 10 . Ditto the drainage ditches that house much wildlife - are they staying or going ? Have any environmental impact studies been done? 11 . If the sewer project is not approved to bring the new sewer line down Hillcrest to the proposed site of the building project , or even if it is , if, as a result of the construction project , any of the septic systems of the residents of Asbury Drive , Horvath Drive or Asbury Road sustain any damage to their septic systems - flooding , etc . (this occurred when the Triphammer Terrace area was developed for homes in the early 1990s ) , would the construction company make the residents whole by paying for such losses ? Monday , July-28, 2003OL . 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A N. sfidetaM 0 -774„t_. 0 _ki-, ii 6 wk. 1 Pi E 1 1 / 1 golr r an be. roej I http : // www . lansingtown . com/ • AMENDED I, Jrfir aal �'Q WN ofLANSING • "name of Industry , Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " •H ` • r ZONING , PLANNING AND COVE ENFORCEMENT I liox 186 Lancing, NY 14882 .' : . � it E-mail : toleudes@twcny . rncum Town of Lansing PlanningBoard Meeting g July 28, 2008 7: 15 PM Lansing Town Hall - Large Court Rm. http://www.Iansingtown.com / Agenda Time: Agenda Topics • 7 : 20 P. M . Public Comments/Concerns 7 : 25 P. M. Further Discussion on Lansing Commons Subdivision, Phase I (Lots 1 - 12 of 37), Cayuga Vista Drive, Ron Seacord , Owner, Tax Parcel No . 37 . 1 -2- 53 . 222 . 7 : 45 P. M . Further Discussion on Cayuga Farms Condo Project, \VB Property Group LLC for a proposed 138 unit Condo project on N . Triphammer Road , in the Town of Lansing, New York and otherwise known as Tax Parcel No . 37 . 1 -6 -3 . 362 . 8 : 15 P. M . SEQR for 1 Lot Subdivision , Applicant : John Hicks, Tax Parcel # 42 . - 1 - 1 . 122 8 : 20 P. M. John Young — Handout on future "English Village" style neighborhood , Waters agon Road . 5c • TOWN of LANSING P "Home of lndusrry, Agrrculrare and Scenic Beauty " 111 121\ \ti ZONING , PLANNING AND CODE i� NFORCE� I-Nr Box 186 E atuvxug, NY ] 48H2 °i :-Ina il ; 11Fir. Odei lk'euy . rr. rrini Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting July 28, 2008 7: 15 PM La:nsi ng Town 17'a.1l. - Large Court Rini http 'Jfw w.Jansingtown.con, / Agenda Time: Agenda Topics 41/ 7 ; 20 'P . M . Public Comments/Concerns 7 ; 25 PM . Further Discussion on Lansing Commons Subdivision , .Phase 1 ( Lots 1 - 12 of 37) , Cayuga Vista Drive, Ron Seacoul , Owner, Tax Parcel No . 37 . 1 - 2 - 53 , 222 . 7 : 45 P. M.. Further Discussion on Cayuga Farms Condo Project, WB Property Group LIC for a proposed 138 unit Condo project on N . Triphammer Road , in the Town of Lansing, New York and otherwise known as Tax. Parcel No . 37 . 1 -6 -3 . 362 , 8 : 15 P. M. Set Public Hearing on SEQR for 1 Lot Subdivision , Applicant : John 1-licks, Tax Parcel # 42 . - I - 1 _ 122 8 : 20 PM . Jahn Young — Handout on future "English Village " style neiElhbOrileod , Watenvagon Road . 0 • ' L' 1 • • I . • • Dick Platt . . . . . From: ",calm Young" 'cJ ck Ycunnbroa,cam> To: "Dick Platt" icdplatt3 tweoy_ir, oam> Sting Tuesday, July 15, 2002 1 :06 PM Subject: Vitatorwagon Road plans • Dick, Rather than waiting for the 'Town Board to form their new committee to look at possible changes to the Land Use Ordinance and talking to them in person , I've drafted up a short description of my hopes for our Waterwagnn Road property which I'd be happy to have you pass along to arty interested parties on the Town Board and Planning Board in the mean time_ lithey have any questions or suggestions+ I'll be happy to meet with them in person, of course_ And I'd also like to meet Jrff Overstrom net time t get a chance to viiit you ut y.,ur ogee, ['m sure bet! d 0 greatjpb For the Town . Thanks very much, John. • Our plan for the 100 acres we own ben een. Waierwagori Road and Route 34 is to eventually develop it into three • sc} aa'ate " English Village" stele neighborhoods. Each would consist of 20 to 25 homes clustered fairly densely around a commonly owned "Village Green", where kids could play, families picnic etc. It's my hale that these new family neigbbothnods would allow for fairly intense use of the land (sus the Town desires) without causing it to feel crowded car low class. An example of such a environmentally-friendly clustered development iii England itself can be found at bttv:ffwd.w,.;vjjgyjj ge cto vhycreatethidex _htrill Obviously we'd do things somewhat differently here in the States, but the basic concept of creating a place, not joist a collection of houses, is what 1 • fill like about the idea . . The i inial Village location I have in mind would surround the. private soccer field I: built off Route 34 a few years ago, which would become the Village Green . 'fhc main reason i haven't movod ahead with that development to date ig the failure of the Town's proposed sewer plans, Dense development in areas with thin soil really d0 require the availability of sewer and water. My feeling is that if you want people to live close together in a pSee like Lansing where there is ILO shortage of' land, you need to give them an incent ivierC to do so. If new sOCCer l ektg can be built Incxl to The Rink (thus letting nue convert my private field into a Village Orem}, it should he possible to piLch 'our " aglish Village!'" to families with young children who could then use the adjacent indoor and outdoor facilities for reen6ation rear=round • without their parents having to drive them everywhere. I've already reached an agr mnent 'with Community • Recreation to allow us to access their property directly by footpaths that would be laid out from our development_ And live been contacted on several occasions unsolicited by people who would like to live near The Rink for the convenieixce of their kids. So I think that it's a concept that will really work . • . If we c-en'r _get, access to sewage and permission to do outdoor recreation next to 'fie Rink, I believe that I'd be able to design, build and. market attractive, affordable, eaviroiunentally-friendly new residential neighborhoods on my • ProllortY along Wsterwagon Road at a density that Itaeets the Town's desires for tEi t area, With discussions already under way that could lead both ka sewer line coming north along Triphammer Road, aut. the Land Use Ordinance changes rcyuic d to bet ttre replace my private; soccer fluid with something open to the public, all this ' could be in place within tht next year or two. If here is anything I can do tri help move these two projects along, I hope you will ]et me know. • • iis 7/2 1. ;:"2008 )nacre ] of o PLC IN dr • Dick Platt all From : " Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt" cisnhmitt thalerandthaler , cmii > To : "Scott Pinney" >asp243 twcny , rr , comn Cc : "Jeff Overstrom" njlo tgmillerpc , como ; "'matt Pesemet" CMatt_ Besemer hotmail , nom> ; " Marty Christopher" Thrownslfnn hatmail .com0 : "Connie Wilcox "' cWilcnxc hotmeil , corn> ; ' Bud Shattuck" cbshattuck tompkins-oo _orgn ; "'Guy Krogh " 'rgkrogh thalerandthaler , comr ; " Dick Platt" CdplattF twcny . a , comn ; " Lin Davidson' onld1 cnrnell _edun Sent : Thursday, July 24 , 2008 1 : 37 PM Subject: RE : Planning Board Legal Counsel Scott : Received and understood . I also typically receive several inquiries from the planning department respecting questions on the correct legal process / substance of notifications , SEM , etc . I fielded such an inquiry just a moment ago . Shall I Continue to do so ? Also , there are some very large residential development projects now coming before the planning hoard with an extremely high likelihood of creating public controversy ( e . g , , Cayuga Farms 5 Lansing Commons ) , The procedures of site plan and SEAR must be followed precisely if the Town desires to insulate itself from litigation arising from opposition to these projects . The Town may wish to consider legal counsel in attendance for those meetings and hearings. .. Lorraine Original Message From : Scott Pinney [ mailua ; esp243ptwcny , rr , com] Sent : Thursday , July 24 , Inns 12 : 59 PM To : Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt Cc : Jeff Overstrom ; matt tesemer ; Mart } Christopher ; Connie Wilcox ; Bud Shattuck ; Guy Krogh Subject ; Planning Board Legal Counsel Lorraine , After reviewing the Town ' s year to date legal expenses relative to the Planning Board the Town Board in an effort to minimize expenses asks that you no longer attend Planning Board meetings , Furthermore , we are requesting that you no longer accept any dorm of correspondence from Planning Board Members with the exception ad the Planning Board Chair , Lin Davidson . You will continue to receive the Planning Board informational packets for review , and could anticipate hearing from Mr . Davidson should them be any questions or concerns prior to or following the Planning Board meetings - Mr , Davidson has been advised of the same . A . Scott Pinney , Supervisor 411 7/24/2008