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Home My WebLink About2008-03-24 • Town of Lansing a008' Monday, March 24, 6: 00 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Downs imIsentl Nancy Loncto Torn Ellis * Larry Sharpsteen 7:10 PM * Lin Davidson, Chairman * Viola Miller * David Hatfield * Larry Zuidema * Matthew l3esemer, Town Board Liaison * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer David Herrick, P. E. Town of Lansing Engineer * Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Esq . Public Present Cal Warren General Business Lin Davidson called the Planning Board Meeting to order. at 61.4 PM . Member Comments/Concerns Re: Lansing Star Article As the result of a recent article published in The Lansing Star regarding the Planning Board / Planning Department and Town Board' s working relationship, Nancy Loncto made a motion requesting that the Planning Board add two standing items to all future working and business meeting Agendas as follows : 1 . An activity report in writing from the Code Enforcement Officer that covers all subjects and information provided to the Town Board , also, any and all complaints regarding any work of the Planning Department, Town Engineer' s or the Planning Board . 2 . A report from the Town Board Liaison to the Planning Board as to all work done by the Town Board as it involves the Planning Board immediately or in the future, as well as any material activities concerns or complaints received by Town Board Members regarding Planning or Zoning in the Town of Lansing whether written or not. Thomas Ellis seconded . D AP1 R-O V E 03124/08 Planning Board • VOTE AS FOLLOWS: Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . Treasurer's Report David Hatfield reviewed the Planning Board Budget as of February 14, 2008 . Mr . Hatfield stated the following; Planning Equipment there is a $200. 00 credit - used 0 Legal Fees in the amount of $1 , 625 has been used . Given $16, 000, balance is $14,375. 00 Stipend $2,700. 00 to be given at the end of the year . Planning Board Contractual- $3,000 given, $230 .59 used , balance $ $2, 769 . 41 Engineer Fees given $8,000, used 0, balance $8,000 Larry Zuidema-Municipal Agricultural Farmland Workshop Mr . Zuidema attended the Workshop on behalf of the Town . A brief overview of the report is as follows: Key Points • State wants meaningful change in agricultural land use designed to protect agriculture. • Grant was not awarded just for a study, but for Municipalities to define and implement clear action items . • There shall be a Plan, to include a description of activities, programs, and strategies to be used by the Municipality to promote continued agricultural use . • The Municipal Agricultural and Farmland Plan which is the outcome of the use of the grant is to be adopted by The Town Board (by simple majority) and approved by the County Agricultural Protection Board and NYS Department of Ag. & Market • The agreement is limited to two years, beginning on the date of award (January 8, 2008) _Actions • Select a Consultant • Appoint a Community based Committee to guide development of the plan 2 AP.PR.O V E.1J 03/24/08 Planning Board • • • Request 25 % advance • Involve County Agricultural Protection Board and review their County Plan • Involve Cooperative Extension and other groups at the County level • Hold " Public Meetings" for Community input at strategic points in the process and before a " Final Public Hearing" . • Prepare a New Release about the Award Many materials were handed out and many resources suggested for the Town' s use. Currently, Legal Counsel is checking the Agreement over. Supervisor Pinney has asked Mr . Zuidema to work on this project. Once Mr . Zuidema has received from Mr. Pinney a request for the scope of services, he will then be working with Ms . Wilcox on the project . Attendance as a Citizen at the Town Board Meeting on March 19, 2008 Larry Zuidema stated as a citizen he attended the Town Board Meeting and gave a presentation with regards to the proposed Zoning changes . Mr . Zuidema' s letter was made part of the Town Board Minutes . Approval/Denial of March 10, 2008 Minutes Thomas Ellis requested on page 1 , under Paragraph: Larry Sharpsteen, the spelling Nodule should be Nodal . On page 3 under # 7, Thomas Ellis the word and must replace a . Lin Davidson requested that the following sentence be inserted under; Sovocool Subdivision: • The deed restriction of no subdividing or construction of any non temporary structure will be in the deed and on the map . Larry Zuidema , page 9, paragraph starting with Larry Zuidema , 2nd line, the replaced with Town, Before Commercial add several. Nancy Loncto made a motion to approve the minutes as amended . Thomas Ellis seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye ® Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye 3 APPROVED 03t24/O8 Planning Board • MOTION CARRIED . Cayuga Farms Nancy Loncto inquired from the other Members if Cayuga Farms should be considered a PDA (Planned Development Area) versus not a FDA . Ms. Loncto indicated the way she interpreted the current Zoning Ordinance is if there is not utilities in place then it is an exception and made it a PDA . Viola Miller stated according to the Subdivision Rules & Regulations, any change in the Major Subdivision, the Developer must start all over again . Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt agreed with Ms . Miller, and advised Dick Platt to let the Engineer and Developer know they must start over . According to Ms . Moynihan Schmitt the last map presented to the Planning Board was not the most recent map . The most recent proposal map is dated February 7, 2008 . David Herrick has shared his concerns with Ms . Moynihan Schmitt and expressed to her that a Sewer District would have to be formed and approved before proceeding to Site Plan. Matthew Besemer advised the Members that David Herrick will be preparing an estimate of what he would charge to review the Sewer Plans, at which time the Developer will send in the payment. Matthew Besemer also indicated that the Town Board ' s feeling was a PDA . Richard Platt inquired if the Board considered Ronald Seacord's project a PDA as welt. 1 Lot Subdivision - Applicant: Roger Sovocool, Old Orchard Road Tax Parcel # 12. -1 -15. 32 Ms . Moynihan Schmitt is in the process of researching the Abstract with regards to the private road . If Mr . Sovocool' s rights to use the road are personal and do not go with the land, then a land locked parcel will be created. Further research is in the process. Town Board Presentation by Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt Ms . Moynihan Schmitt gave a brief background history of the Zoning Revisions process . Items discussed were Town Board recommendations, In-House Checklist, substantive changes and the concerns of the Planning Board and Zoning Board of Appeals . Ms. Moynihan further stated that the Town Board agrees with many of the recommendations of the Planning Board and wants to revisit the process of revising the Zoning Ordinance in conjunction with the Planning recommendations . Ms. Moynihan Schmitt further explained what the Town Board reviewed during their work sessions. They were as follows; 1 . Permitted Uses by District (Schedule I) 2 . Set Back Requirements (Schedule II) 3 . In-House Site Plan 4 • APPROVED..D 03/24/08 Planning Board Ms. Moynihan Schmitt expressed to the Town Board the Planning Board ' s concerns such as; proposed 10' side yard setback is insufficient, some front yard setbacks being excessive, permitting more business uses in. the R1, Commercial and Industrial Uses delineated for In-House Site Plan which should come before the Planning Board for full Review, Landscaping requirements by Districts, RA Commercial Uses without Site Plan . Ms. Moynihan Schmitt stated for the record the Zoning Ordinance revisions have been and wilt be continue to be an ongoing process . The in-put of the Planning Board, Zoning Board and Public comment will be on going until at least April, if not beyond . The Town. Board made it perfectly clear that they will be reviewing the Zoning Ordinance again in the near future . Again, they will be looking at the formal recommendations of the Planning Board as they were made to the Town Board . • Discussion/Concerns re: In-House Checklist Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt gave a brief overview of the " ln-House" Checklist process . Ms . Moynihan Schmitt explained there are two purposes to this list and I , they are; 1 . To ensure that the Planning Department reviews all requisite potential impacts of Site Plan and the proposed project includes everything set forth in the Ordinance in the Site Plan Review . 2 . To trigger referral of In-House Site Plan Review to the Planning Board in the event certain thresholds are triggered in the Checklist. Ms . Moynihan Schmitt further stated that the procedure for item #2 has not been set forth in the Zoning Ordinance and is a procedure that should be flushed out by the Planning Board. Ms . Moynihan Schmitt further recommended that there is a procedure such that the Planning Board is always apprised of each Application that is running through the Planning Department and what their recommended course of action is . Discussion/Concerns re: Proposed Changes on The Land Use Ordinance Below is a list of concerns submitted by Linda Hirvonen, ZBA Member and Viola Miller, Planning Board Member : SECTION 503 . SC.H mULI: IA 4. Dwelling, conversion etc . - Site Plan Approval required We Agree , . , , and the She Plan Check hist rMLJS1' be included in the ordinance, 5 APPR0V ED 03f24rOh Planning Board 9 . Mother In Law — change to P ® SF.CrioN 5 . SCI IEDL JL4 1 C. 1 . Crop farming should NOT be permitted RI , R2 3 . Poultry should NOT be permitted in Industrial fl . Livestock -. NOT in Industrial 6 .Grce.nhouse -- NOT permitted in Moderate 7 .Roadside stand — needs further definition 1 l . l lospit;tl — add SC' to R R2 I4 . Public. stable • - NOT in R2 ( moderate) 15 . Kennel — NOT in IC (moderate) 16.Nccd definition 1 fi . 0 o mriereial outdoor recreation • - NOT in low density ( RI ) 19. Catmnercial indoor recreation — NOT in R I ( low) 2I . Busirtess. (tank. etc . — question RI and R.2 Size and use -- further discussion . Please consider the following in regard w subdivisions ; I . The Planning Board is charged with protecting the health and safety of the residents of the 'i'own while promoting orderly growth . 2. 'No division of land should he exempt because of the need for storm water control and site plan review . Recommendations/Concerns taken during the Planning Board Meeting by Nancy Loncto. Con tape for further explanation) A .4 . no change in RA is our recommendation ( If(? ' set back. is issue ) - keep key provision for Special (t ndiditom is Applicable A .> • Oh A. 6 . Site Plan in RA and LI When ever there is a definition — reference the page in Schedule A . 7 . should all be site plan reviewed ( meet federal guidelines and if possible N RI and LI ) AS one one bedroom apartment per a single family home and other ancillary check list requisite: for ® this use 6 • APPROVED 03/24/08 Planning Board A . 8 '? Site plan A. 10 OK as changed A. J 1 OK as changed A . 12 Ok as changed •-• reference ordinance appendix (re- visit should this go through site plan or is ordinance sufficient ) A . I 3 Be classified as a Residential PDA and hollow those ordinance procedures A . 14 OK as changed A 16 Site plan where ever it is allowed 131 OK as changed 132 Permitted with site plan review in all cases 133 OK as changed and including IR (federal regs ?) 13 ,4 Site plan - - - ok internal if' parking and buffering, landscaping codified 13 . 5 . SP 803 . 1 in RA to match all others 13 . 7 OK. as changed 13 . 8 All instances should have site plan (access 111Jning parking etc . . . ) and allowable on lakefront C. ! C)K as changed C . 6 Not Permitted in R2 BUSINESS USES INR 3 MUST RAVE. SITE. PLAN (COMMERCIAL USES) C, 7 Permitted if adequate parking; seasonal permit, etc . . . C 8 Site Plan review required - internal with ancillary check list (codified landscaping, park. signage etc ) C.9 OK as changed - interna ! with ancillary check list (Codified landscaping, park . signage etc .) 0. 10 OK as changed - - site plan plus required C . I 1 OK as changed - - she plan C . 12 In house she plan - - - (codified . landscaping. park , signage etc . ) revisit ancillary check list - - REVISIT - - ( RJ AND IC) 100 C . 13 OK as chanced • APPROVED 03/24/08 Planning Board • C. 14 N in R7 or RI ; 803 . 1 in all other land use areas (should remain with Town Board special permit and sire plan) Commercial application — site plan review C. 15 OK as changed and site plain review internal added C. 16 OK. as changed - - internal review with ancillary list. or conditions C. 17 OK as changed C . 18 N in R11 and R2 because of density concerns and Comprehensive Plan : could be part of PDA C. 19 N in RI and R2 because of density concerns and Comprehensive Plan ; could he part of PDA ; All She Plan remains with PB - - - no internal site plan C.20 OK as changed REVIEW ENTIRE SCHEDULE TO INSERT PISA WHERE APPLICABLE TO ENCOURAGE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT 803 .6 SP ? C' .21 Regular site pian- N in RI and R2 If in these areas we are going counter to developing other business areas . . . START HERE • - - - AT C:23 PLANNING BOARD SHOULD RETAIN ALL RA AND R3 SITE PLAN - • PRINCIPLE OF CANARY IN COALrMINE - - - ® *Please note : Due to the continuance updating of the proposed Zoning Ordinance, the numbering has shifted and will be incorrect. Nancy Loncto made a motion to hold a Special working Meeting on Monday, March 31 , 2008 at 6 :30 PM to continue work on the proposed changes . Thomas Ellis seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS: Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . Nancy Loncto made a motion to adjourn the regular Working Meeting at 8 :30 PM to go into Executive Session to discuss the Alternate Planning Board position . Thomas Ellis seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS : 8 APPROVED 03/24.08 Planning Board • Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED. Nancy Loncto made a motion to adjourn the Executive Session at 8 : 58 PM . Thomas Ellis seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED. ® Nancy Loncto made the following motion, The Planning Board shall advise the Town Board that: (1) the Planning Board recommends Ruth Hopkins to serve as an Alternate Planning Board member; (2) the vote to recommend Ruth Hopkins was not unanimous; and. (3) the Planning Board requests that the Town Board consider a pool of alternate applicants before making any final determination(s) for the Alternate appointment(s) to the Planning Board . VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Thomas Ellis - Aye David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED . Thomas Ellis made a motion to adjourn the Working Meeting at 9 :02 P.M . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE AS FOLLOWS: Thomas Ellis - Aye 9 APPROVED 03/24618 Planning Bowl David Hatfield - Aye Nancy Loncto - Aye Viola Miller - Aye Larry Sharpsteen - Aye Larry Zuidema - Aye Lin Davidson - Aye MOTION CARRIED. 41, 10 Town of Lansing Planning Board March 24, 2008 Visitors Please Sign In Below : (Please Print) Name Address liF, 4._ luta gestic), CNg-Rizy 20 A ►-m) • http ://www. lansingtown . com/ S TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD 29 Auburn Roac[ Lansing, New York 1. 4882 Monday , March 24, 2008 AGENDA 6 : 00 P. M. 'Public comments 6: 05 P. M. Prepare List of concerns regarding proposed changes to the Subdivision Rules +fix Regulations ani Zoning Ordinance for a Euture PB / TB Joint Meeting. 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