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Home My WebLink About2006-05-08 I' Amended 6/ 12/06 • Town of Lansing Monday, May 8 , 2006 7 : 15 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) * Nancy Loncto, Chairperson * Tom Ellis * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson * Viola Miller * David Hatfield Brian lvery * Matthew Besemer, Town Board Liaison * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer David Herrick, P.E. Town of Lansing Engineer Public Present Richard Lobdell Doris Lobdell Gary Wood, P .E John O ' Connor • Erik Whitney, P. E. Greg Lawrence General Business Nancy Loncto called the Planning Board Meeting to 'order at 7 : 15 PM. Ms . Loncto requested if there were any concerns/suggestion from the Public Present. There were none . Alan Lockett, Site Plan Review - Ice Cream Stand 341 Ridge Road Parcel # 32 .- 1 -47. 1 Mr. Lockett appeared before the Planning with a proposed Site Plan for a converted Houseboat into a seasonal (May to late September) Ice Cream Stand. The Houseboat will be located at the corner of Route 34B and Myers Road on the Kohlenberg ' s property. Parking Nancy Loncto had concerns regarding the number of anticipated parking spaces (8) allotted for residents/shoppers/employees . Mr. Lockett further indicated that due to conflicting hours of the garage, overflow parking could be utilized in the garage area. Larry Sharpsteen had concerns with the proposed parking spaces as they are lined out. Cars backing out of a parking space onto the public road is not a good idea, especially at that particular intersection. Mr. Sharpsteen felt that the proposed parking plan submitted needs further attention. • Health Department Issues A Amended 6/12/06 • Larry Sharpsteen inquired about the disposal of waste. Mr. Lockett indicated the boat has a very large holding tank. A letter of approval/acceptance from the Health Department will be required. Provisions have been made for the employees to use the Kohlenberg Garage Restrooms . The Planning Board recommended that a Port a Potty be placed on site for customers. Mr. Lockett indicated he anticipates hooking up to public water. Larry Sharpsteen advised Mr. Lockett that the Planning Board will require a copy of the agreement from Mr. Kohlenberg permitting employees to use facilities in his building, also the parking arrangements . Other Door width must be expanded. Lighting must be positioned towards Rte . 34 . It was the consensus of the Planning Board that Mr. Lockett return with a Traffic Plan, an agreement from the property owner (s), hours of Garage/Ice Cream, and Landscaping Plan. A Public Hearing will be required. Drake Road Subdivision, Revised Sketch Plan, Parcel # 35.-3-13.12 Eric Whitney, P.E. appeared before the Board. Mr. Whitney stated he has read David Herrick's comments and concurs with him. Mr. Whitney explained to the Board that Mr. Herrick along with Deb Caraco has requested that an additional pond for the 1 year run off be included in the Subdivision. Mr. Whitney expressed that Mr. Buhl was anticipating receiving Preliminary Plat Approval tonight. • Nancy Loncto shared David Henick's comments as follows: Drake Road Subdivision — Sketch Plan • Preliminary Stormwater Management Report: The proposal relies on ponds at the adjacent Cayuga Crushed Stone property to mitigate stormwater generated on this site. Although these quarry ponds may have a very large capacity, we do not recommend using them for fulfilling the State requirements for water quality treatment or channel protection ( 1 -year storm) . These two controls are best incorporated into the subdivision layout. The ponds could potentially provide flood protection ( 10-year and 100-year storm), but additional information is necessary for us to make that determination. • Flood Protection: From the description in the Stormwater Management Report, the quarry ponds are large, and may have sufficient volume to mitigate additional flows generated on this site . While providing flood control mitigation in a large, downstream facility such as these ponds is a good stormwater management strategy, additional information is necessary to determine if that strategy is feasible in this case . At a minimum, data will be needed to determine both pre- and post-developed runoff rates entering and leaving the ponds, the flow path through them, and data on the design of the pond embankment and spillways. For the record, a Use Variance has been granted for this parcel of land. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the revised drawing, dated "Received 3/31 /06" presented tonight as a Preliminary Plat for the next meeting with satisfaction of the (2) items requested in T. G. Miller ' s letter dated 5/8/06 . Lin Davidson seconded. • VOTE AS FOLLOWS : i 4. Amended 6/12/06 • Lin Davidson Aye Thomas Ellis — No David Hatfield - °Aye Nancy Loncto — Aye Viola Miller — Abstain Larry Sharpsteen Aye MOTION CARRIED . Nancy Loncto, Chairperson rescinded the motion due to a procedural error. Nancy Loncto requested from the members any further questions/clarifications regarding The Drake Road Subdivision. Viola Miller had concerns that the motion was for a "Final Approval". Nancy Loncto advised Ms. Miller that the Planning Board will be; considering this a Preliminary Plat at the next meeting. A Public Hearing will not be held; at the next meeting. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the revised drawing, dated "Received 3/31 /06" presented tonight as a Preliminary Plat for the next meeting with satisfaction of the (2) items requested in T. G. Miller' s letter dated 5/8/06 . Lin Davidson seconded. • VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Lin Davidson — Aye Thomas Ellis — No David Hatfield — Aye Nancy Loncto — ;Aye Viola Miller — Aye Larry Sharpsteen — Aye MOTION CARRIED . Richard Lobdell, ? 1 Lot Subdivison W/ BoundaryChange,ge, or Major Subdivision, Farrell Road, Parcel # 39.-1-19.2 Mr. Lobdell and Gary Wood, P . E . appeared before the Planning Board with a proposal requesting a four (4) lot Subdivision. The lots will range in size from 2 . 08 acre to 10 . 34 acres . On one of the smaller parcels, there is an existing building which will remain on the parcel. Richard Lobdell explained to the members that when he purchased the property a few years back, he gave the previous owner life time user, of the residence. After Mr. Lobdell filed the necessary paperwork, the County Assessment Office took it upon themselves to create a lot without Mr. Lobdell ' s knowledge. Mr. Lobdell again, filed the necessary paperwork to have it returned back to 1 large parcel. • David Herrick offered the following comments : Amended 6/12/06 • Richard Lobdell, 1 Lot Subdivision • The sketches received from Gary Wood, P .E. suggest there may 3 -4 lots subdivided from the parent parcel. Once the Board has classified the subdivision and we receive a full-size plan we can issue comments on stormwater management. The Planning Board classified this as a Major Subdivision. The Planning Board requested that Mr. Lobdell return to next months meeting.g North Triphammer Multi Use Subdivision, Sketch Plan, Parcel # 37.1 -6-3.362 Erik Whitney, P.E. appeared before the Planning Board with a revised Multi Use Subdivision Sketch (ST- 1B). Mr. Whitney advised the board that the purchase of additional land from Michaleen's is not feasible. Nancy Loncto shared David Herrick's comments: N. Triphammer Multi-Use Subdivision — Sketch Plan • The road configuration of ST- 1 (4/26/06) was an improvement from a traffic circulation perspective. The ST- 1B (5/4/06) scheme reverts backo to the long dead-end. It would certainly be desirable to complete the connection to N. Triphamm'er and Hillcrest Road. If there are legal issues pertinent to the 60 foot strip owned by Michaleen' s the developer should make them known • to the Planning Board promptly. As suggested in my previous review letter, the Tompkins County Highway Depaitment will need to be involved in all aspects of the intersection planning and should be consulted early in this design process. • The water main layout in ST- 1B should be extended back to N. Triphammer Road to close the loop. • Based on the site topography a stormwater management practice may be necessary for the southern 1/3`d of the property. The other two "retention areas" shown are adjacent to or including existing water courses which may result in larger facilities. • To reiterate, the development is within the Town' s proposed Sewer Benefit District and would be a property to initially receive sewer service once the district is established. If the schedule of this project requires installation of on-site septic systems then we 'll want to negotiate easements for future sanitary sewer main routes on and through this parcel. Richard Platt expressed another plan option to the Developer. Thomas Ellis questioned the Developer as to who would be liable for the park area. John O ' Connor did not have an answer. Mr. O ' Connor will be responsible for finding out that answer. LarrySharpsteen reiterated�'p t ated David Herrick ' s comments concerning Sewer Line Easements. The Board requested that the Developer/Engineer go back to the drawing board andp inter- grate the preservation of the right of way toward Rte. '� 34, and a second way of ingress and • egress . In addition, Mr. Herrick ' s comments should be taken into consideration. d - Amended 6/12/06 Approval/Denial of April 24, 2006 Minutes • Thomas Ellis made a motion to accept the minutes as presented. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Lin Davidson — Aye Thomas Ellis — Aye David Hatfield — Aye Nancy Loncto — Aye Viola Miller — Aye Larry Sharpsteen = Aye MOTION CARRIED . Tompkins County Waterfront Plan/Referral to Town Board Postponed until next scheduled meeting. Awaiting Guy Krogh' s response. Tilley Enterprises, Inc . - 1 Lot Subdivision, 2669 North Triphammer Road, Tax Parcel # 44 .- 1 -2 Richard Platt explained that at the April 10, 2006 Planning Board meeting Ms . Tilley was granted a 1 Lot Subdivision. Due to a misunderstanding, the survey map shows a Flag Lot. Flag Lots require a Public Hearing. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to set a Public Hearing for Monday, June 26, 2006 at 7 :20 PM. David Hatfield seconded. VOTE AS FOLLOWS : • Lin Davidson — Aye Thomas Ellis — Aye David Hatfield — Aye Nancy Loncto — Aye Viola Miller — Aye Larry Sharpsteen — °lAye MOTION CARRIED . Lin Davidson made a motion to adjourn the Regular 'Meeting at 9 : 03 PM to go into Executive Session to discuss the Planning Board vac'iancy. Thomas Ellis seconded. VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Lin Davidson — Aye Thomas Ellis — Aye David Hatfield — Aye Nancy Loncto — Aye Viola Miller — Aye Larry Sharpsteen — Aye MOTION CARRIED . Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to terminate the Executive Session and reconvene the Regular meeting at 9 : 05 PM to adjourn. David Hatfield seconded. • VOTE AS FOLLOWS : Lin Davidson — A' ll ye Amended 6/12/06 • Thomas Ellis — Aye David Hatfield H Aye Nancy Loncto -- Aye Viola Miller — Aye Larry Sharpsteen Aye MOTION CARRIED . • • cr: ri1/41f- TT R-Aa`+•y • S •�_ .� L~L E RP ] David . $!! !• -• L . S . Frank L . antelli , P. E . Engineers and Surveyors Andrew J . Sciarabba , P . E . Darrin A . Brock , L . S . ti May 8 , 2006 Ms . Nancy Loncto, Chair Town of Lansing Planning Board Box 186 Lansing , NY 14882 Re : May Meeting Agenda Dear Ms . Loncto , I 've reviewed the following three projects that are on the Planning Board Agenda for tonight's meeting and offer the following comments : Alan Lockett — Site Plan Review • No information was provided at this time for Engineering review. Drake Road Subdivision — Sketch Plan • Preliminary Stormwater Management Report: The proposal relies on ponds at the adjacent Cayuga Crushed Stone property to mitigate stormwater generated on this site . Although these quarry ponds may have a very large capacity, we do not recommend using them for fulfilling the Staterequirements for water quality treatment or channel protection ( 1.-year storm) . These two • controlsr are ,best incorporated into the subdivision layout . The ponds could potentially provide flood protection ( 10-year and 100-year storm ) , but additional- information is necessary for us . to make that determination . • Flood Protection : From the description in the Stormwater Management Report, the 'quarry ponds are large , and may have sufficient volume to mitigate additional flows generated on this site . While providing flood control mitigation in a large , downstream facility such as these ponds is a good stormwater management strategy, additional information is necessary to determine if that strategy is feasible in this case . At a minimum , data will be needed to determine both pre- and post-developed runoff rates entering and leaving the ponds , the flow path through them , and data on the design of the pond embankment and spillways . Richard Lobdell , 1 Lot Subdivision • The sketches received from Gary Wood , P . E . suggest there may 3-4 lots subdivided from the parent parcel . Once the Board has classified the subdivision and we receive a full-size plan we can issue comments on stormwater management. N . Triphammer Multi-Use Subdivision — Sketch Plan • The road configuration of ST- 1 (4/26/06 ) was an improvement from a traffic circulation perspective . The ST- 1B (5/4/06) scheme reverts back to the long dead-end . It would certainly be desirable to complete the connection to N . Triphammer and Hillcrest Road . If there are legal issues pertinent to the 60 foot strip owned by Michaleen 's . the •developer should make them known to the; Planning Board promptly. As suggested in my previous review letter, the Tompkins County Highway Department will need to be involved in all . aspects• of the intersection planning and should, be consulted early in this design process ;. , . • • . • • The water main layout in ST- 1B should be extended-back to NN . •Triphammer Roadrto close the loop • 203 North Aurora Street • P. O. Box 777 • Ithaca, New York 14851 • (607) 272-6477 V • Based on the site topography a stormwater management practice may be necessary for the southern 113` 1 of the property. The other two "retention areas" shown are adjacent to or including existing water courses which may result in larger facilities . • To reiterate , the development is within the Town 's proposed Sewer Benefit District and would be a property to initially receive sewer service once the' district is established . If the schedule of this project requires installation of on-site septic systems then we' ll want to negotiate easements for future sanitary sewer main routes on and through this parcel . Feel free to contact me with any questions . Thank you . rely, David A. Herrick , P. E . Cc: S . Farkas D . Platt J . French G . Krogh • • Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting • May 8, 2006 Visitors Please Sign In Below : (?'llc sC ? nut) Name Address (" -la 7 (.20.0 0, ,flireke_sn4 *07 , Pricite4 4tata4-c-Q A LP I , 0 eoe 4 /4.41)5111-- attic t ,,„ 0e7 "vitt caw Cr zysitcA w • http : //www . lansingtown . com/ E • May 8 , 2006 • Ms . Nancy Loncto , Chair Town of Lansing Planning Board Box 186 Lansing , NY 14882 Re : May Meeting Agenda Dear Ms . Loncto , I 've reviewed the following three projects that are on the Planning Board Agenda for tonight's meeting and offer the following comments : Alan Lockett — Site Plan Review • No information was provided at this time for Engineering review. Drake Road Subdivision — Sketch Plan • Preliminary Stormwater Management Report: The proposal relies on ponds at the adjacent Cayuga Crushed Stone property to mitigate stormwater generated on this site . Although these quarry ponds may have a very large capacity, we do not recommend using them for fulfilling the State requirements for water quality treatment or channel protection ( 1 -year storm ) . These two • controls are best incorporated into the subdivision layout. The ponds could potentially provide flood protection ( 10-year and 100-year storm ) , but additional information is necessary for us to make that determination . • Flood Protection : From the description in the Stormwater Management Report, the quarry ponds are large , and may have sufficient volume to mitigate additional flows generated on this site . While providing flood control mitigation in a large, downstream facility such as these ponds is a good stormwater management strategy, additional information is necessary to determine if that strategy is feasible in this case . At a minimum , data will be needed to determine both pre- and post-developed runoff rates entering and leaving the „ ponds , the flow path through them , and data on the design of the pond embankment and spillways . Richard Lobdell , 1 Lot Subdivision • The sketches received from Gary Wood , P . E . suggest there may 3-4 lots subdivided from the parent parcel . Once the Board has classified the subdivision and we receive a full-size plan we can issue comments on stormwater management. N . Triphammer Multi-Use Subdivision — Sketch Plan • The road configuration of ST- 1 (4/26/06) was an improvement from a traffic circulation perspective . The ST- 1B (5/4/06 ) scheme reverts back to the long dead-end . It would certainly be desirable to complete the connection to N . Triphammer and Hillcrest Road . If there are legal issues pertinent to the 60 foot strip owned by Michaleen 's the developer should make them known to the Planning Board promptly. As suggested in my previous review letter, the Tompkins County Highway Department will need to be involved in all aspects of the intersection planning and should be consulted early in this design process, • The water main layout in ST- 1B should be extended back to N . Triphammer Road to close the loop . • I • • Based on the site topography a stormwater management practice may be necessary for the southern 1 /3rd of the property. The other two "retention areas" shown are adjacent to or including existing water courses which may result in larger facilities . • To reiterate, the development is within the Town 's proposed Sewer Benefit District and would be a property to initially receive sewer service once the district is established . If the schedule of this project requires installation of on-site septic systems then we 'll want to negotiate easements for future sanitary sewer main routes on and through this parcel . Feel free to contact me with any questions . Thank you . Sincerely, David A. Herrick, P . E . Cc : S . Farkas D . Platt J . French G . Krogh • • Page 1 of 1 a II Tolcodes • From : " David A. Herrick" <dah@tgmillerpc . com> To : " Nancy Loncto" <njs6@cornell . edu > Cc : "Dick Platt" <tolcodes@twcny . rr. com > ; "Jack French" <lanshwy@twcny. rr. com > ; "Steve Farkas" <supervisor@lansingtown . com > ; "Guy K . Krogh" <gkrogh@thalerandthaler. com > Sent : Monday, May 08 , 2006 11 : 17 AM Attach : 5-8-06 AGENDA. doc Subject: 5/8/06 Planning Board Agenda fi Nancy , Please see the attached comments for applications before the Board at tonight's meeting . Unless you recommend differently, it doesn't appear necessary for me to attend . Thanks . David A. Herrick, P . E . T. G . Miller, P . C . 203 N . Aurora Street Ithaca , NY 14850 607-272-6477 x226 607-273-6322 (f) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. • Version : 7 . 1 . 392 / Virus Database : 268 . 5 . 5/333 - Release Date : 5/5/2006 • • 5/8/2006 illTOWN TOWN o LANSING "Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " • ` .t�� ZONING, PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT 1 Box 186 \i Lansing, NY 14882 `l` II E-mail: tolcodes@twcny.rr. com Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting May 8 , 2006 7 : 15 PM Lansing Town Hall — Large Court Room http://www. Iansingtown .com/ Agenda Time: Agenda Topics 7: 15 PM Alan Lockett, Site Plan Review - Ice Cream Stand 341 Ridge Road, Parcel # 32.-1 -47. 1 • 7:30 PM Besemer/Drake Road Subdivision, Revised Sketch Plan, Parcel # 35.-3-13. 12 7:45 PM Richard Lobdell, 1 Lot Subdivison W/ Boundary Change, Farrell Road, Parcel # 39.-1 -19.2 8:00 PM O'Connor / Multi-Use Subdivision, North Triphammer Road, Revised Sketch, Parcel # 37. 1 -6-3.362 8: 15 PM Tompkins County Waterfront Plan/Referral Town Board 8:30 PM Approval/Denial of° April 24, 2006 Minutes 8:45 PM Alternate Member Application Review • O O ¢ NN 0 0 0 O 0 0 N 0 g o i m i 8 n a) V D C n a o X X X 0 0 0 X 0 X X m C o C s � X o o X X K K K X X �4 (U a mo 0 X X 0 0 0 0 X 0 X 0 N 0 O - IN X X X o X X X X X X 0 0 X X x 0 0 0 K K X 0 m 0 0 V' g X X X x X x X x O fC 0 0 0 LL K o X X x 0x x X x 0 8 w v X X X X X X X X X X m m O C L C > t 0 9 m 0 Z 0 0 V 0 y 0 0 Y m 6 C 0 0 = 2 2 M C W S 0 0 O 0 L i n -a f a co• coY N P 0y� �p N p� N q 2p y� f fV /U ' 0 O 1-' (V " C f0 M1 0 OO �. 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