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Town of Lansing
Monday, January 10 , 2005 7 : 15 PM PLANNING BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
(*Denotes present)
* Nancy Loncto, Chairperson * Tom Ellis
* Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson
* Viola Miller * David Hatfield
* Gregg Travis Brian Ivery (Alt.)
* Bud Shattuck, Deputy Town Supervisor
* Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
* David Herrick, P.E.
Public Present
John O ' Connor
Rob Hall
• General Business :
Nancy Loncto called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 15 PM.
John O ' Connor, Informal Discussion-Creating Flag Lots, 73 Cherry
Road, Parcel # 44 .- 1 -55 . 13 & 44 .-1 -55. 14
Mr. O ' Connor appeared the Planning Board to explain that he would like to purchase two
lots across from his residence and split them into two flag lots and a lot at each end. Mr.
O ' Connor felt it would make more sense to have 4 flag lots of approximately 1 acre each.
Mr. O ' Connor feels this will not change the character of the neighborhood. 1 driveway
would be shared by all.
Viola Miller recalled this piece of property being subdivided in the past. Her recollection
was that when the owners Kump came in to subdivide, it was the Planning Board ' s
understanding that there would never be any requests for the use of the land in the back
of the house/off of the road.
Nancy Loncto read previous (4/ 14/03) minutes regarding the Kump Subdivision.
The members discussed various flag lots that are currently in the area. However, there
are no flag lots on Cherry Road. Thomas Ellis agreed with Nancy Loncto that this
proposal is not consistent with the neighborhood.
Larry Sharpsteen stated that until such a time that the Ordinance does not allow Flag
• Lots, the Planning Board must consider this proposal as presented.
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Larry Sharpsteen recanted the opinions that he had heard so far this evening. They were:
• 1 . No Flag Lots . The Comprehensive Plan says they should be consistent with the
neighborhood.
2 . We can stop them because it is in the Ordinance.
3 . Okay, but if Flag Lots are allowed then they must have an easement going all the
way across so a road can be positioned in the future to serve the land behind.
4 . Okay, what about 3 lots . 2 front lots slightly larger, and a single Flag Lot in the
rear.
Larry Sharpsteen and Viola Miller clearly stated that there is a severe drainage problem
in the area.
If Mr. O ' Connor were to move forward with this project, it would be considered a Major
Subdivision.
Greg Travis stated this was only an informal discussion and The Planning Board is not
happy with allowing this to go through because it would not be consistent with what
exists there. Although it is permitted in the current Subdivision Rules.
Rob Hall, Informal Discussion — Storage Building in the RA District,
344 Auburn Road, Parcel # 28 .4 -28 .36
Mr. Hall appeared before the Planning Board with a proposal to erect a 4, 000 Sq. Ft.
Storage Building. Cargill Salt intends to lease the building to store a Lift Hoist. A Site
• Plan map was presented to the board showing the location of the building. Mr. Hall was
advised he must go through Site Plan Review prior to and during the Construction phase.
The Site Plan must be approved prior to the Code Enforcement Office issuing a
Certificate of Occupancy.
The following items were of concern :
1 . Lighting- Shoe Box Lighting required
2 . Access
3 . Drainage
4 . All other Site Plan considerations
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to allow a Building Permit to be issued with the
conditions that Site Plan Review is completed before the C . O . is issued. Gregg Travis
seconded. Vote : All In Favor. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Other
Thomas Ellis brought up the project at the Lansing High School . There is extensive
excavation being done. There is no sign of any Erosion Control measures . David
Herrick advised the board that the school properties are under the jurisdiction of the State
Education Department. The school is still required to follow NYS guidelines .
David Herrick suggested the following changes be made to the Subdivision Rules &
• Regulations :
1 . Section 402 , paragraph A. - Change 8 working days to 10 working days .
2 . Section 403 , paragraph A. - Change 8 working days to 10 working days .
3 . Section 403 , paragraph C . 6 . - The language structure of the first sentence doesn 't read
correctly. Something is missing .
4 . Section 404 , paragraph A. - The third sentence refers to final plats "prepared or approved"
by a certified licensed land surveyor. I question the meaning of "approved" . Perhaps the
sentence should read 'prepared , signed and sealed by a land surveyor licensed in the State
of New York' . Also in this paragraph change 8 working days to 10 working days .
5 . Section 502 , paragraph I . - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage: A completed Stormwater
Pollution Prevention Plan (SPPP ) that is consistent with the Town 's Local Law for
Stormwater and Erosion Control . '
6 . Section 503 , paragraph D . - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage : A completed SPPP that
is consistent with the Town 's Local Law for Stormwater and Erosion Control and with the
terms of Preliminary Plat approval . '
7 . Section 505 - I would recommend that the Planning Board make submission of "as-
constructed" plans a requirement for all public utilities . The balance of street, recreation and
open space improvements could remain "may require" .
8 . Section 701 , paragraph F . - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage : All drainage
improvements shall be constructed in accordance with the approved Stormwater Pollution
Prevention Plan .'
9 . Appendix Al paragraph 14 . - I 'm not sure what the benefit is of defining drainage easement .
The definition seems to include 'purpose' and 'expectation' . I 'd suggest deleting this
paragraph since easements are already covered in paragraph 13 .
• 10 . Specifications for Town Highways - There are references to Detail 1 (which should be the
typical pavement cross-section ) but only Detail 2 'Alternate Roadway Cross-Section ' was
included in my draft. Detail 1 should be added . Also , the title for the tee-turnaround (which
should be Detail 3) is cut off on my copy.
The board discussed Dick' s memos regarding the definitions of a Boathouse and Cabana.
It was decided to change the word house to structure in the Boathouse definition.
Boathouse- A structure at edge of river or lake; used to store boat(s) .
Cabana- A shelter on a beach or at a swimming pool used as a bathhouse. A cabin or hut.
The Mother-in-law Apartment/Accessory Apartment was accepted as presented by Dick
Platt.
Lin Davidson made a motion to accept the changes . Larry Sharpsteen seconded. Vote :
All in favor. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Larry Sharpsteen stated for the record that this is not necessarily a change to the intent of
1111the Ordinance. The Planning Board is only clarifying a use that was allowed.
Comprehensive Plan-Cornell SEPA
• Nancy Loncto advised the members that Cornell SEPA has accepted the Planning
Board ' s offer with the changes to include (4) four meetings, and two interns@ $ 1500 .
Planning Board/Town Board Meeting, Monday, January 31 , 2005 at
7 : 15 PM
Nancy Loncto reminded the members that they have a joint meeting coming up .
Nomination and Elections of Officers
"2005" Planning Board Officers
Nancy Loncto Chairperson
Lin Davidson Vice Chairperson
Larry Sharpsteen Secretary
David Hatfield Treasurer
After discussion with his colleagues on the Nominating Committee, Larry Sharpsteen
moved to cast one ballot in favor of the existing Slate of Officers . David Hatfield
seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
• "2005 " Planning Board Officers
Nancy Loncto Chairperson
Lin Davidson Vice Chairperson
Larry Sharpsteen Secretary
David Hatfield Treasurer
ARTICLE IV
Officers
1 . Election and Term: The officers of the Lansing Planning Board shall be
elected by the membership of the Planning Board at the first regular meeting
in February to serve one (1) year terms beginning immediately. Officers may
be re-elected annually.
2 . Chairman : The chairman shall preside at all meeting of the Lansing Planning
Board. He shall appoint the standing and special committees .
3 . Vice-Chairman: The Vice-Chairman shall assume the duties of the Chairman
when the Chairman is absent.
4 . Secretary: The secretary shall be responsible for accurate records of all
meeting of the Lansing Planning Board. The Secretary may have the
assistance of a "Recorder for the purpose of actually taking the minutes of all
meetings .
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5 . Treasurer: The Treasurer shall record the receipt and disbursement of all
• funds for the Lansing Planning Board. The Treasurer shall submit an annual
report of finances and prepare an annual budget.
Approval of December 13 , 2004
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the minutes as submitted. Viola Miller
seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Approval of December 27, 2004 Minutes
David Hatfield made a motion to accept the minutes as submitted. Larry Sharpsteen
seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to adjourn at 8 :43 PM . Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE :
ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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• Tolcodes
From : "Alexandra Cory Lewin" <ac127@cornell . edu >
To : <tolcodes@twcny. rr. com >
Cc : <tcd29@cornell . edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01 , 2005 9 :27 PM
Subject: comprehensive plan document
Dear Mr. Platt,
It was nice to meet you at yesterday' s Town Board Meeting . Thank you
for
letting us work on the Comprehensive Plan for Lansing . I think you
mentioned at the meeting that you have the Comprehensive Plan on your
computer in a Word document. If possible , can you send a copy via
email
to both of us? Our emails are : ACL27@cornell . edu and
TCD29@cornell . edu .
Thanks for your help and let' s be in touch.
• Best,
Alex Lewin and Travis Durfee
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2/2/2005
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From : "Tolcodes" <Tolcodes@TWCNY . rr.com>
To : "Travis Durfee" <TCD29@cornell . edu > ; "Alex Lewin " <ACL27@cornell .edu >
Sent: Wednesday, February 02 , 2005 8 : 16 AM
Attach : Changes to Comp . Plan .doc; CONTENTS .doc; Cover. doc; Other Corrections to the
Comp . Plan .doc; Pages 9- 11 .doc; P-SECTION I .doc; P-SECTION III .doc; P-SECTION
V.doc; P-SECTION VI .doc; SECTION I . doc; SECTION II .doc; SECTION III .doc; SECTION
IV.doc; SECTION V.doc; SECTION VI . doc
Subject: Comprehensive Plan-Town of Lansing
Dear Alex and Travis ,
I ' m Rachel , the Zoning and Planning Clerk . I ' m looking forward to meeting
both of you at the next meeting .
At your request , I have attached all the information I have regarding the
Comprehensive Plan . I ' m sorry this is not in 1 document . If you need any
further information , please feel free to email me , or call 533 -7054 .
Thank you .
Rachel
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Planning/Town Board Meeting
January 31 , 2005 7 : 15 PM
Lansing Town Hall — Large Court Room
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•ltgenda
Time: Agenda Topics
7: 15 PM The Town of Lansing Comprehensive Plan,
Section III . POLICY-GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
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Town of Lansing
Monday, January 10 , 2005 7 : 15 PM PLANNING BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
(*Denotes present)
* Nancy Loncto, Chairperson * Tom Ellis
* Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson
* Viola Miller * David Hatfield
* Gregg Travis Brian Ivery (Alt.)
* Bud Shattuck, Deputy Town Supervisor
* Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
* David Herrick, P.E.
Public Present
John O ' Connor
Rob Hall
• General Business :
Nancy Loncto called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 15 PM.
John O ' Connor, Informal Discussion-Creating Flag Lots, 73 Cherry
Road, Parcel # 44.-1 -55. 13 & 44.-1 -55. 14
Mr. O ' Connor appeared the Planning Board to explain that he would like to purchase two
lots across from his residence and split them into two flag lots and a lot at each end. Mr.
O ' Connor felt it would make more sense to have 4 flag lots of approximately 1 acre each.
Mr. O ' Connor feels this will not change the character of the neighborhood. 1 driveway
would be shared by all.
Viola Miller recalled this piece of property being subdivided in the past. Her recollection
was that when the owners Kump came in to subdivide, it was the Planning Board ' s
understanding that there would never be any requests for the use of the land in the back
of the house/off of the road.
Nancy Loncto read previous (4/ 14/03) minutes regarding the Kump Subdivision.
The members discussed various flag lots that are currently in the area. However, there
are no flag lots on Cherry Road. Thomas Ellis agreed with Nancy Loncto that this
proposal is not consistent with the neighborhood.
Larry Sharpsteen stated that until such a time that the Ordinance does not allow Flag
• Lots, the Planning Board must consider this proposal as presented.
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Larry Sharpsteen recanted the opinions that he had heard so far this evening. They were:
• 1 . No Flag Lots. The Comprehensive Plan says they should be consistent with the
neighborhood.
2 . We can stop them because it is in the Ordinance.
3 . Okay, but if Flag Lots are allowed then they must have an easement going all the
way across so a road can be positioned in the future to serve the land behind.
4. Okay, what about 3 lots . 2 front lots slightly larger, and a single Flag Lot in the
rear.
Larry Sharpsteen and Viola Miller clearly stated that there is a severe drainage problem
in the area.
If Mr. O ' Connor were to move forward with this project, it would be considered a Major
Subdivision.
Greg Travis stated this was only an informal discussion and The Planning Board is not
happy with allowing this to go through because it would not be consistent with what
exists there. Although it is permitted in the current Subdivision Rules.
Rob Hall, Informal Discussion — Storage Building in the RA District,
344 Auburn Road, Parcel # 28 .-1 -28.36
Mr. Hall appeared before the Planning Board with a proposal to erect a 4,000 Sq. Ft.
Storage Building. Cargill Salt intends to lease the building to store a Lift Hoist. A Site
Plan map was presented to the board showing the location of the building. Mr. Hall was
• advised he must go through Site Plan Review prior to and during the Construction phase.
The Site Plan must be approved prior to the Code Enforcement Office issuing a
Certificate of Occupancy. •
The following items were of concern:
1 . Lighting- Shoe Box Lighting required
2 . Access
3 . Drainage
4. All other Site Plan considerations
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to allow a Building Permit to be issued with the
conditions that Site Plan Review is completed before the C. O. is issued. Gregg Travis
seconded. Vote : All In Favor. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Other
Thomas Ellis brought up the project at the Lansing High School. There is extensive
excavation being done. There is no sign of any Erosion Control measures . David
Herrick advised the board that the school properties are under the jurisdiction of the State
Education Department. The school is still required to follow NYS guidelines.
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David Herrick suggested the following changes be made to the Subdivision Rules &
• Regulations :
1 . Section 402, paragraph A. - Change 8 working days to 10 working days .
2 . Section 403 , paragraph A. - Change 8 working days to 10 working days.
3 . Section 403 , paragraph C .6 . - The language structure of the first sentence doesn't read
correctly. Something is missing .
4. Section 404, paragraph A. - The third sentence refers to final plats "prepared or approved"
by a certified licensed land surveyor. I question the meaning of "approved" . Perhaps the
sentence should read 'prepared , signed and sealed by a land surveyor licensed in the State
of New York'. Also in this paragraph change 8 working days to 10 working days .
5 . Section 502 , paragraph I . - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage: A completed Stormwater
Pollution Prevention Plan (SPPP) that is consistent with the Town's Local Law for
Stormwater and Erosion Control . '
6 . Section 503, paragraph D . - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage : A completed SPPP that
is consistent with the Town's Local Law for Stormwater and Erosion Control and with the
terms of Preliminary Plat approval .'
7. Section 505 - I would recommend that the Planning Board make submission of "as-
constructed" plans a requirement for all public utilities. The balance of street, recreation and
open space improvements could remain "may require" .
8 . Section 701 , paragraph F. - Change to read as follows : 'Drainage : All drainage
improvements shall be constructed in accordance with the approved Stormwater Pollution
Prevention Plan . '
9 . Appendix A, paragraph 14 . - I'm not sure what the benefit is of defining drainage easement.
The definition seems to include 'purpose' and 'expectation'. I'd suggest deleting this
paragraph since easements are already covered in paragraph 13 .
• 10. Specifications for Town Highways - There are references to Detail 1 (which should be the
typical pavement cross-section ) but only Detail 2 'Alternate Roadway Cross-Section' was
included in my draft. Detail 1 should be added . Also, the title for the tee-turnaround (which
should be Detail 3) is cut off on my copy.
The board discussed Dick' s memos regarding the definitions of a Boathouse and Cabana.
It was decided to change the word house to structure in the Boathouse definition.
Boathouse- A structure at edge of river or lake; used to store boat(s).
Cabana- A shelter on a beach or at a swimming pool used as a bathhouse. A cabin or hut.
The Mother-in-law Apartment/Accessory Apartment was accepted as presented by Dick
Platt.
Lin Davidson made a motion to accept the changes. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. Vote:
All in favor. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Larry Sharpsteen stated for the record that this is not necessarily a change to the intent of
• the Ordinance. The Planning Board is only clarifying a use that was allowed.
Comprehensive Plan-Cornell SEPA
• Nancy Loncto advised the members that Cornell SEPA has accepted the Planning
Board ' s offer with the changes to include (4) four meetings, and two interns@ $ 1500.
Planning Board/Town Board Meeting, Monday, January 31 , 2005 at
7 : 15 PM
Nancy Loncto reminded the members that they have a joint meeting coming up .
Nomination and Elections of Officers
"2005" Planning Board Officers
Nancy Loncto Chairperson
Lin Davidson Vice Chairperson
Larry Sharpsteen Secretary
David Hatfield Treasurer
After discussion with his colleagues on the Nominating Committee, Larry Sharpsteen
moved to cast one ballot in favor of the existing Slate of Officers. David Hatfield
seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
"2005 " Planning Board Officers
Nancy Loncto Chairperson
Lin Davidson Vice Chairperson
Larry Sharpsteen Secretary
David Hatfield Treasurer
ARTICLE IV
Officers
1 . Election and Term: The officers of the Lansing Planning Board shall be
elected by the membership of the Planning Board at the first regular meeting
in February to serve one (1) year terms beginning immediately. Officers may
be re-elected annually.
2 . Chairman: The chairman shall preside at all meeting of the Lansing Planning
Board. He shall appoint the standing and special committees.
3 . Vice-Chairman: The Vice-Chairman shall assume the duties of the Chairman
when the Chairman is absent.
4. Secretary: The secretary shall be responsible for accurate records of all
meeting of the Lansing Planning Board. The Secretary may have the
assistance of a "Recorder for the purpose of actually taking the minutes of all
• meetings.
5 . Treasurer: The Treasurer shall record the receipt and disbursement of all
• funds for the Lansing Planning Board. The Treasurer shall submit an annual
report of finances and prepare an annual budget.
Approval of December 13 , 2004
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the minutes as submitted. Viola Miller
seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Approval of December 27, 2004 Minutes
David Hatfield made a motion to accept the minutes as submitted. Larry Sharpsteen
seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to adjourn at 8 : 43 PM. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE:
ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Town of Lansing
Planning Board Meeting
January 10 , 2005 7 : 15 PM
Lansing Town Hall — Large Court Room
http://www. lansingtown.com/
*Agenda
Time: Agenda Topics
7: 15 PM Informal Discussion - Creating Flag Lots, John
O'Connor, 73 Cherry Road, Parcel #'s 44.-1 -
55. 13 & 44.4 -55. 14
7:30 PM Informal Discussion - Storage Building in the
RA District. Rob Hall, 344 Auburn Road, Parcel
# 28.-1 -28.36
7:45 PM Review Dick's findings on In-law Apartment
and Boat House
8:00 PM Discussion- Comprehensive Plan
8:30 PM Nomination and Election of Officers
8:45 PM Approval of December 13th & 2?' 2004
Minutes
• 9:00 PM Any Other Business Deemed Necessary