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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004-11-08 s • Town of Lansing Monday, November 8 , 2004 7 : 15 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) * Nancy Loncto, Chairperson * Tom Ellis * Larry Sharpsteen Lin Davidson * Viola Miller * David Hatfield * Gregg Travis Brian Ivery (Alt.) * Bud Shattuck, Deputy Town Supervisor * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer * David Herrick, P.E. Public Present Larry Fabbroni Richard Thaler • Alvin Feldzamen Brenda Piller-Feldzamen Glenna Thaler Nancy Knowles Robin Steele Sha Wang Ryan Janowski General Business : Nancy Loncto called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 15 PM. Mrs . Loncto began by reading the Legal Notice published in The Ithaca Journal regarding the Public Hearing. Richard Thaler, Whispering Pines Subdivision-Phase V, Public Hearing Final Plat, Parcel # 40.-3 -2 . 1 Chairperson Nancy Loncto opened the Public Hearing to the floor at 7 : 17 PM . * Public Comments : • *Alvin Feldzamen stated he has previously appeared before the board with concerns regarding the connection of Whispering Pines Drive through to Warren Road. Increased 1 • Planning Board Meeting 1 i -08-04 • traffic would be an issue. Mr. Feldzamen previously suggested that the Town install speed bumps. The Planning Board rejected that idea, as the Highway Department has a problem with snowplowing when they are on the road. Mr. Feldzamen presented ,a copy of a map he designed showing the location of the new extension to Warren Road and the word WHY? Mr. Feldzamen asked the following questions : 1 . What rights as a citizen in this area do we have with regards to this road? Suppose I came in here with a petition with 90% of the residents of Whispering Pines and Arrowood Lane saying they did not want this road to go through to Warren Road, would that have any effect on your judgment? Would that have any affect legally? 2 . Does this Board have final authority? Nancy Loncto responded to Mr. Feldzamen by advising him the Planning Board Members have previously looked at petitions submitted to the Planning Board on time for Public Hearing discussions. This Final Phase of Whispering Pines has had a previous Public Hearing. Mrs . Loncto further stated that the Planning Board does have final say on some parts of this application, and the Town Board makes the final decision regarding water and final road approval. Bud Shattuck advised Mr. Feldzamen that The Town Board has already acted on this issue. Larry Sharpsteen advised Mr. Feldzamen this is the 2nd Public Hearing and he is the only • person that has come forth regarding the traffic issue. *Nancy Knowles, a new resident to Whispering Pines has concerns regarding the traffic, as she has small children. Mrs . Knowles inquired why it has to connect to Warren Road, and not go around Grandview. *Robin Steele, also a new resident to the area shares the same concerns regarding connection of Whispering Pines to Warren Road. Mrs. Steele inquired if there were safety issues involved for the reason the road is being connected to Warren. A large concern of Mrs. Steele and other residents is, this will be another "shortcut". Larry Sharpsteen explained to the public this project has been in process for several years. Eventual connection to Warren Road was always a part of the original plan. Mr. Sharpsteen further stated it has recognized that when you have a larger concentration of residential homes in an area, The Planning Board must balance the problem with traffic and provide multi access. As for the problem of speed control, that is an issue with the State as they set the speed limits . Larry suggested for speed control that Mrs . Steele work with the Town who will then work with the State and County to try to rectify the problem. Due to the increase of traffic, Mrs. Steele requested to know if stop signs and lighting will be added. Bud Shattuck advised Mrs . Steele to contact Jack French,The Town of Lansing Highway Superintendant regarding stop signs . In addition, Mr. Shattuck encouraged the residents of Whispering Pines to attend the Town Board Meeting next Wednesday, November 17 , • 2004 to address their concerns. 2 Planning Board Meeting 1 I -08-04 • The question was raised as to the timeframe for the road construction. Larry Fabbroni, Engineer for The Whispering Pines project explained the road will be constructed. next spring and be completed early into the summer. *Alvin Feldzamen inquired if this plan calls for a northern extension of Whispering Pines up to Asbury Road. Larry Sharpsteen stated no . Mr. Sharpsteen further explained that there is land still owned by Mr. Thaler. If Mr. Thaler should sell land and the new owner brought before the Board a new request to develop, The Town would be open to looking into another road, if a road is proposed. Mr. Thaler reminded the Board Members exactly what the Planning Board requested to have with Phase V were : 1 . A connection between Water District 14 and District 9 . 2 . Access off of Hillcrest and Warren Road without a straight connection. Larry Fabbroni stated he feels that motorists will discover this route is not shorter. It will serve the local needs. In addition, 175 ' north of where the road is, will be a stop sign. Mr. Fabbroni further spoke of the drainage plan. The finish drainage plan shows how it will remove most of the water that now flows down Warren Road, take it back lot to the pond and in turn discharge it into the creek. *Alvin Feldzaman asked the Board to consider setting a One Way Sign on this new • extension from Whispering Pines to Warren Road. Nancy Loncto advised Mr. Feldzaman that mostly likely the Planning Board would not recommend that to the Town Board, however, as a Citizen he may do so . David Herrick offered the following comments : November 8, 2004 Ms. Nancy Loncto, Chair Town of Lansing Planning Board Town of Lansing Box 186 Lansing, NY 14882 Re: Whispering Pines Subdivision , Phase 5 Dear Ms. Loncto, Mr. Fabbroni submitted revised drawings on November 2nd in response to my comments of October 25th. The majority of my concerns were addressed . I recommend that the following items be added as conditions of any approval and be resolved prior to your signing of the Final Plat. Road Extension 1 . With respect to driveways for Lots 24 and 29 the note 8 added to Subdivision Plat should be • changed from "should" to "must". 2. Since Warren Road is a County Highway, the Town should receive an approval letter from the County engineer for the intersection design . 3 Planning Hoard Meeting 11 -08-04 • Stormwater Management 1 . Mr. Thaler will retain ownership and maintenance responsibilities for the stormwater management facility. It is necessary for Mr. Fabbroni to develop a draft maintenance agreement and permanent access easement for review by the Town's Attorney. Mr. Krogh can clarify the filing requirements. 2 . The 20-foot access easement recently added to the Subdivision Rat should be extended south to Tiger Lily Lane across the 6D-foot strip of land owned by Lot 22. 3. The appropriate construction details (per the description on page 11 of the Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plan ) for the access drive are to be added in the final documents. 4 . Grading of the roadside ditches on the short extension of Whispering Pines should be checked . I believe the land form would favor draining to the south . I will be attending the meeting to answer any questions. Thank you . Enclosures Cc: S . Farkas J . French G . Krogh L. Fabbroni , PEiLS 203 North Aurora Street. P.O. Box 777 . Ithaca , New York 14851 . (607 ) 272-6477 Miles McGarth inquired if the Planning Board was going to approve this tonight. The question was brought up if an area where children could play together be considered in this Subdivision. • Larry Sharpsteen explained that this hearing is on the final plat, which is the last hearing before final approval. Conditions were set forth in the presentation of the final plat based on engineering considerations. With consideration of Public comment tonight, this subdivision is at the point where it would be approved. Larry further explained that a play area would not be considered due to the liability involved. Richard Thaler advised Mr. McGarth to contact him regarding the play area. Brenda Pillar-Feidzamen requested to know if the final plat showed all the homes or would more homes be built. Brenda Pillar-Feldzamen inquired if the road continued on through Pheasant Way and Grandview. Nancy Loncto advised Mrs.Pillar-Feldamen to the best of the Planning Boards knowledge, this is the end. Larry Sharpsteen indicated the road extension was at the request of the Planning Board. Larry further explained to Brenda Pillar-Feldzamen why the road was extended to Warren Road as opposed to Asbury. Per the DEC this area is a registered stream, in addition to the practicality of the Town maintaining another bridge . Bud Shattuck advised the audience members that the State will set the speed limit based on the number of homes, curb cuts, and where the road is located. Speed Bumps are a Town issue. Jack French Highway, Superintendent is in charge of them. Mr. Thaler advised the Whispering Pines residents that he will be glad to help them. out • with setting of the speed limit. 4 a, ' Planning Hoard Meeting 11 -08-04 • Sha Wang also had concerns regarding the speed limit. Large construction trucks were an issue. Mr. Thaler assured the residents that when this road is put in, there is not going to be somebody using that road that does not belong there as far as Contractors are concerned. Mary Adie inquired if the engineering had been completed sufficiently. Larry Fabbroni advised Mrs . Adie yes . Viola Miller made a motion to close the Public Hearing at 8 : 01 PM. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Glenna Thaler, 1 Lot Subdivision — 195 Hillcrest Road, Parcel # 41 .-2-2 Mrs. Thaler appeared before the Planning Board requesting a 1 Lot Subdivision in order to sell an approximate 2 acre parcel to include the home, garage and barn. Thomas Ellis completed the SEQR. Thomas Ellis made a motion to declare a negative declaration. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the proposed Subdivision of property and waive the Public Hearing. David Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Margaret Listar, One Lot Subdivision — 48 East Shore Circle, Parcel # • 37. 1 -7-18 Peter Walsh, Attorney-Agent for the proposed buyer (Cardamone Home Builders, Inc . ) appeared before the Planning Board requesting a 1 Lot Subdivision. Mrs . Listar will retain Lot A which consists 1 . 16 acre with a home and garage . Lot B, 12 .4 acres will be sold to the above contractor who at some point will request a subdivision of 3 Lots , 3 acre each with 300 feet of road frontage. For the Board' s record if Mr. Cardamone divides his parcel as currently described, it will be largely a formality. Drainage is a concern for the property owners on East Shore Circle. At this time, the Board is not giving Mr. Cardamone permission he must come before the Board. Thomas Ellis Completed the SEQR. Larry Sharpsteen stated for the records the nearest UNA is approximately 450 yards away, north of Teeter Road. Thomas Ellis made a motion to declare this a negative declaration. David Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the proposed Subdivision, and waive the Public Hearing. Gregg Travis seconded. VOTE : ALL 1N FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Bud Shattuck advised the Board Members to think about as Sewer moves forward in the • Town new and existing homes will be mandated to hook up . As more aggressive 5 Planning Board >`,' amp 1 1 -08-04 • scheduling of Subdivisions get in the line of this original project, the board should let the Contractors and Realtors know this will be an added burden. To clarify the drainage issue, even though lots are 3 acres with 300 ' of road frontage, the Planning Board may not have authority with the Subdivision, however, they do have authority with the SEQR to see that the drainage is handled properly. John Stevens, Sketch Plan, 3 Lot Subdivision —Warren Road West Parcel # 44 .4 -5.32 George Frantz, Agent for Mr. Stevens appeared before the Planning Board requesting a proposed 3 Lot Subdivision. Mr. Stevens would like to divide the 5 %4 acres into 3 lots that will consist of, 1 . 58 ,000 sq. ft. 2 . 82 ,360 sq. ft. 3 . 88 ,070 sq. ft. All lots meet the minimum requirements for the R1 district. Viola Miller stated this is contrary to what they like their Subdivisions to have with lots opening onto Warren Road. Mr. Frantz explained further that this parcel is too shallow to do a cul-de-sac off Warren Road and the Frontage off Hillcrest is too narrow. • Larry Sharpsteen stated he liked the site distances . There is ample room for separation. The lot that borders on Hillcrest has previously been subdivided in 1998 . The Planning Board requested further mapping information such as drainage and separation of driveways . A possibility of a shared driveway for Lot 1 & 2 . Stormwater Management into consideration for all affected properties. Thomas Ellis made a motion to accept this as a Sketch Plan for a Subdivision. Mr. Frantz is to return with a topography map and address the issues associated with Stormwater Management. In addition driveways . Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Viola Miller stated the Board should wait until Mr. Frantz returns with the requested information before a SEQR is completed. General Dynamics Network-Cingular Communication Tower, 425 Conlon Road, Parcel # 28 .- 1 . 1 Ryan Janowski, agent for Cingular Wireless appeared once again before the Planning Board with the requested changes (fence & gate) for Site Plan Review. Previously the board also requested foundation details. Mr. Janowski stated he would explain the foundation details, and ask that the board make any approval contingent upon receiving them. Normally the company does not provide them until they apply for a Building Permit. Larry Sharpsteen stated he has no problem with that happening, however, The • Planning Board would also like a copy for their files in addition to The Code Enforcement Office. 6 r Planning Hoard Meredr g 1 ' Jib-0/1 • Larry Sharpsteen clarified for the records that The Planning Board requested the fence be 8 ' . Mr. Janowski indicated that if the fence was raised to 8 ' and with the bob wire it would be close to 10 ' . Larry stated this was not a promise to the Planning Board for 10 ' . The new map presented does show both changes with the gates being a little more elaborate then requested. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to recommend to the Town Board that they consider this review. Comments that have been made by The Planning Board at an earlier meeting have been addressed and are nolNready for Town Board review to include a Public Hearing. Greg Travis seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Approval of October 25, 2004 Minutes Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to approve the minutes as submitted. Greg Travis seconded. VOTE : Larry Sharpsteen-Aye Viola Miller-Aye Thomas Ellis-Aye Greg Travis-Aye • David Hatfield-Aye Nancy Loncto-Abstained MOTION CARRIED Richard Thaler, Whispering Pines Subdivison, Phase V- Final Plat Parcel # 40 .-3 -2 . 1 Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the Final Plat of Phase V Subdivision pending David Herrick ' s review and acceptance of the SEQR Long Form and the comments in the letter. David Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Viola Miller made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 9 : 00 PM. Nancy Loncto seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. • 7 • Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting November 8, 2004 Visitors Please Sign In Below : (Please Print) Name Address /Cm98M00 R ne4/e/ek-AV kfi tv NI re ‘ A- -accvvi et& ll—ttrcbc":"riztiri IUB. 1t f . s IsfreitArci Posta tri � Gey r � t .. . Z 620 '1 Ci LW SI% ca . • 0-150 n. B CAN P : \ \ --cr - Felckz -ems `gob ; f& http : //www. lansingtovvn . corn/ •