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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004-09-13 • Town of Lansing Monday, September 13 , 2004 7 : 15 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) * Nancy Loncto, Chairperson * Tom Ellis * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson * Viola Miller * David Hatfield * Gregg Travis * Brian Ivery (Alt.) * Bud Shattuck, Deputy Town Supervisor * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer David Herrick, P.E. Public Present Vince Mehringer • Herbert Beckwith Mathew Besemer Thomas Besemer John & Dolores Hicks H. Floyd Davis Tim Fish Carvel Gold General Business : Nancy Loncto, Chairperson called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 17 PM. Ms . Loncto began by opening the floor up for Public Comments . There were no Public comments at this time. Herbert Beckwith, 1 Lot Subdivision — 101 Ross Road, Parcel # 28 .31 Mr. Beckwith appeared before the Planning Board requesting a 1 Lot Subdivision for the purpose of building a retirement home. Mr. Beckwith explained that they wish to move the lot line and break off a portion of his property. The existing home and garage will be sold (3 . 6 acres). Currently Mr. Beckwith has access off of Ross Road, however, he is in • the process of purchasing an additional triangle of land for an additional 300 ft of road frontage for an additional access route to the property. After reviewing the map that was presented to the Board, it was there consensus that this is a boundary change. 1 Planning Board Meeting 09/ I3:04 • Gregg Travis made a motion that the Beckwith Agenda item not be considered as a Subdivision, it is just a boundary change. David Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. John Hicks, Public Hearing —Major- 4 Lot Subdivision, Murfield Drives Parcel #42 .- 1 -1 . 122 Nancy Loncto read the legal notice published in the Ithaca Journal regarding the Public Hearing. Nancy Loncto declared the Public Hearing opened at 7 : 26 PM for Public Comments . Carvel Gold a resident of Waterwagon Road explained that she has concerns regarding the extension of Murfield Drive behind her home. Ms . Gold explained that one of the reasons that they purchased this new home was for the open fields, also they purchased additional land to the West to prevent future building. John Hicks explained to Ms. Gold that the road extension would not be extended into the field behind her home. Murfield Drive will only be extended 320 'to the West. Nancy Loncto shared comments from David Herrick, Lansing Town Engineer with the Board. They were the following: John Hicks 4-Lot Subdivision . 1 reviewed an Erosion Control Site Plan dated August 201 \ which , when implemented would be sufficient to mitigate construction activity associated with the road and utility extensions . A Notice • of Intent for the SPDES GP-02-01 will have to be filed by the Operator (Mr . Hicks ) with NYSDEC and the Town at least 5 business days in advance of any site disturbance . I recommend that the Chairperson signature of the subdivision plat coincide with Mr . Platt receiving a signed copy of the NOI . In my review of the project on August 9th I noted the following : "the water main extension would terminate in the vicinity of the Lot 3-4 boundary due to the high-main pressure. The proposed water main must be shown to terminate at the mid-point of Lot 3 and not extend any further west. Water service to the balance of any future lots must be extended from the main on East Shore Drive '; If the project is approved please include a condition that the .applicant's engineer revise the 'Proposed Road and Water Extension ' drawing to reflect this termination location . On August 18th the Town Board approved , in concept , the extension' of the public street. Nancy Loncto requested Public comments. There was none at this time. The Public Hearing remained opened. H. Floyd Davis, Informal Discussion, Boundary Change & Future Road Discussion. Myers Road, Parcel #32 .-1 -37.424 Mr. Davis appeared before the board requesting their opinion of his proposal to change his boundary line, and split his 70 acre parcel . A couple abutting neighbors have approached Mr. Davis to purchase some land from him to protect their views . They would like to do these transfers as a boundary change and maintain the appropriate lot size and width. Mr. Davis understands that this is not something that normally requires • approval from the Planning Board, however, the Code Enforcement Office thought it would be appropriate for Mr. Davis to present this to the Planning Board. After the 2 Nanning Hoard Meeting 09/ 13/04 • boundary changes, this would leave Mr. Davis with a parcel that has a 150 ' strip connecting two parcels . One parcel will be wooded with a home for Mr. Davis built on it. The remainder of Mr. Davis ' s land (East side) he would like to eventually subdivide into 4 lots, 4 acres each. Mr. Davis is requesting informal feedback from the Planning Board Members prior to him hiring an Engineer. Richard Platt explained that David Herrick had the following concerns regarding the map that was presented. Floyd Davis Boundary Change . The extension of a 'future Town road (2005 )' should consider topographical features and other possible links to neighboring streets before boundary lines are approved and legally established . For even informal discussions I'd suggest the Board be presented with mapping information of a more 'regional ' perspective . Mr. Platt further stated after a phone conversation with Mr. Herrick, his concern was having a 60 ' with no other options to move the road if needed. Larry Sharpsteen inquired from Bud Shattuck if the orientation of the spur of the hammerhead was set in stone . Bud Shattuck replied no . • Larry Sharpsteen further stated that there is no reason why the hammerhead could not go in the other direction, rather than forming an arcade 60 ' square block out of the property that is being transferred. Floyd Davis explained that he has contacted NYSEG and they are very specific . They do not want Mr. Davis to enter their easement. Mr. Davis states this is the only way he can stay off their easement unless he comes across a creek, which would be extremely expensive. Mr. Davis has also spoken with the owner who is purchasing the 12 acres and he has agreed to this turn around. In addition, Mr. Davis spoke with Jack French, Highway Superintendent and he suggested instead of a 60 ' turn around to have 120 ' . Mr. Davis further explained that he would like to split 16 acres into 4 lots averaging 4 acres each. By bringing the road in, Mr. Davis and a neighbor will have road frontage . In addition, Mr. Davis will bring in water. Viola Miller questioned if the proposed road would possibly ever be connected to Fiddlers Green. Mr. Davis explained that the road could continue across the creek, across his lot and end up connecting with the end of Fiddlers Green. Larry Sharpsteen stated the Planning Board would like to see an indication of the approximate location of the road even if it ' s a paper road to the end of the Mr. Davis ' s property. Mr. Davis asked in the boundary change should he maintain the 150 ' or have his surveyor go ahead and resurvey to show the turn around. • Thomas Ellis stated he would prefer to see it just like Mr. Davis has shown the Board. 3 Planning Board Meeting 09/ 13 04 • Mr. Davis will return in the Winter/Spring to discuss the road. The Planning Board has requested that Mr. Davis return with Engineering Plans . Hicks-Public Hearing Nancy Loncto questioned the Audience for any further comments regarding the Hicks Public Hearing. Lin Davidson made a motion to close the Public Hearing at 7 : 53 PM. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Thomas Ellis made a motion to waive the 2°d Public Hearing and accept this as presented with requirements from David Herrick to be corrected prior to Final Plat approval. There are no changes in the land or use in the area. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Richard Platt reminded the Board this Subdivision was previously approved. A SEQR was previously completed. Mr. Hicks must return with a Final Map showing the corrections made to the "Proposed Road and Water Extension" to terminate at the mid- point of Lot 3 and not extend any further west. A copy of the NOI (Notice of Intent for the SPDES GP-02-01 ) must be provided to Mr. Platt at least 5 business days in advance of any site disturbance prior to the Chairperson signing the Final Map . Thomas Ellis made a motion to approve the Final Plat pending the above corrections are made and a NOI is submitted as requested by David Herrick, Town of Lansing Engineer prior to the signing of the Final Map . Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN • FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Cayuga Crushed Stone, 1 Lot Subdivision, Drake Road — Parcel # 11 .41 The Besemer ' s appeared before the Planning Board requesting a 1 Lot Subdivision. The map presented to the Board indicated a boundary change will take place and the remaining land will be split creating (Lot B & C) having 141 ' road frontage. The boundary change is to maintain the wooded area of Thomas Besemer' s land Lin Davidson completed the SEQR. Lin Davidson made a motion to declare a negative declaration. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Greg Travis made a motion to accept this as a Final Plat for a boundary change and a 1 Lot (Flag) Subdivision. Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Timothy Fish, 1 Lot Subdivision - 18 Atwater Road, Parcel # 37. 1 -8-11 Mr. Fish appeared before the Planning Board requesting that he be granted a 1 Lot Subdivision for the purpose of building a retirement home for his Dad. In addition to this request, Mr. Fish has appeared before the Town Board requesting a back lot Water Extension. • Thomas Ellis stated his objection to bringing water lines over other people ' s property. Mr. Ellis states this seals the fate of future landowners at the end of Atwater Road obtaining water because Mr. Fish will not be paying for it if granted a water extension. 4 Plano Board Meeting (39/ 13/04 • Larry Sharpsteen stated most recently, there was a landowner that the Town would not even allow to come over his own property. Timothy Fish explained to the Board that he went through the proper procedure to get everyone on the road to have the opportunity to hook up . However, they refused . Lin Davidson completed the SEQR. Lin Davidson made a motion to declare a negative declaration. Greg Travis seconded. VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept the application for the 1 Lot Subdivision on Atwater Road with the understanding that any action by the Planning Board does not imply acceptance by The Town Board of the Water Line Extension as describedor that there will be approval of installment of another septic system on this land by the County Health Department. Viola Miller seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. The Rink, Site Plan Review- Locker Room Expansion, 1767 East Shore Drive, Parcel # 37. 1 -6-9 Mr. Russ Johnson appeared before the Board on behalf of the Rink for Site Plan Review. At the July 20, 2004 Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting, the Board granted a Variance for the expansion of this one project. The new Ordinance no longer allows Indoor/Outdoor Recreation. • Richard Platt presented a Preliminary Floor Plan to the Planning Board Members for their review. The addition will be a 20 ' x 70" ( 1 ,400 sq. ft.) building. Russ Johnson advised the Board this that this expansion site will primarily be occupied under a contract with one individual Town and will not increase the traffic flow, but merely accommodate their current pattern. Larry Sharpsteen stated from a stand point of Site Plan Review on this project, the only comments the Planning Board would have would come after Richard Platt completes a Code review to locate the Fire exit. Any Lighting would have to be low impact (shoebox type) around the fire exit directed down. Nancy Loncto states that at some point it was brought to the Planning Board ' s attention that there was an issue in regards to recreational vehicles parking in the lot overnight. Bud Shattuck indicated that a resident on Waterwagon Road appeared before the ZBA with the issue of a noisy parking lot. Russ Johnson advised the Board the facility is operational, runs 7 days a week, and they do their best to control the noise factor. The hours of business are 5 : 00 AM to 1 : 00 AM. Mr. Johnson feels some of the noise factors are from chartered buses during special events. Lin Davidson encouraged Mr. Johnson to institute policies that make overnight camping unattractive. Larry Sharpsteen agreed with Lin Davidson and further stated the Rink is still responsible for what is going on in the parking lot. They may want to think about • getting security people to patrol the parking lot. 5 Planning Board Meeting 09/ 1 04 • Thomas Ellis inquired if this building requires a stamped Architect drawing. Richard Platt advised the board, yes this does and one will be forth coming prior to the Building Permit being issued. Larry Sharpsteen reiterated that the Planning Board can not do the Site Plan Review until they have Final Drawings showing the exit. Russ Johnson and Richard Platt will get together will the Final Plans prior to returning to the Planning Board. Anthony Hay-Informal Discussion, 3 Lot Subdivision — Myers Road, Parcel # 32 .-1 -37.422 Anthony Hay appeared before the Planning Board for an informal discussion regarding the possibilities of a 3 Lot Subdivision. Mr. Hay has recently put in a purchase offer on this parcel of land contingent upon the Planning Board ' s okay for a future Subdivision. Mr. Hay would like to subdivide the parcel into 3 lots . Mr. Hay understands there are issues regarding access due to an easement given to Brian Walawender for a driveway access. Mr. Walawender has agreed to release the easement on the property in exchange for small triangle of land for a new driveway. Each of the 3 Flag lots would have 50 ' of frontage that would allow for driveways to be put in if necessary. Mr. Hay stated they would like to be able to keep just the one driveway. Greg Travis inquired if the Board would consider the 65 ' to the East of Lot D for a Town Road with a cul-de-sac not too far in. Larry Sharpsteen and Nancy Loncto agreed this • was a good idea. Mr. Hay was advised that the cost involved in the cul-de-sac would be his responsibility. Mr. Hay indicated that he was under the impression that it was feasible to share driveways as long as the access for additional driveways was provided. Larry Sharpsteen advised Mr. Hay that the current board is not fond of shared driveways. Larry further stated that there is a lot to be said about Greg Travis ' s suggestion because that would allow Mr. Hay to increase the size of Lot A, and remove some of the problems that might exist due to the NYSEG wire easement. In addition, it would reduce the number of driveway cuts . Mr. Hay was unsure if it would be finically feasible for him to install a cul-de-sac . The Board encouraged him to shop around on the cost and return to the Planning Board with a Topographical Map . Nancy Loncto advised Mr. Hay that the Planning Board would consider this a Major Subdivision. Wendell & Julia Thompson, 1 Lot Subdivision (Split by Road) Salmon Creek Road, Parcel # 4.-1 -5 . 22 Wendell Thompson appeared before the Board requesting a 1 Lot Subdivision in order to give his son a piece of the family property for memories . Mr. Thompson states his son is not going to do anything with the property. This is not a buildable lot as it is in the Flood •' Plain near the creek and the Health Department will not allow housing. 6 1'lanninp; Board Meeting (39. 13/04 • Mr. Thompson was advised to complete a SEQR form and return with a final survey. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to accept this application as a 1 Lot Subdivision. Mr. Thompson is to return at the October 25 , 2004 Planning Meeting for Final Approval . Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Other Business : The September 27 , 2004 Meeting will be strictly a "Working Session" on the Subdivision Rules & Regulations to include Guy Krogh ' s comments . The Original lst meeting in October has been cancelled due to the day being a holiday. The 2nd meeting on October 25 , 2004 will be a "Business" meeting. Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 9 : 00 PM. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. 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September 13 , 2004 7 : 15 PM Lansing Town Hall — Large Court Room http://www. lansingtown .com/ Agenda • Time: Agenda Topics 7:15 PM Open Floor to Public for Comments/Questions/Concerns 7:20 PM Herbert Beckwith, 1 Lot Subdivision- Ross Road, Parcel # 23.-1-28.31 7:30 PM John Hicks- Public Hearing-Preliminary Plat, Major 4 Lot Subd'nrision, extension of Murfield Drive, Parcel # 42.-1 -1 .122 7:45 PM • Floyd Davis, Informal Discussion, Boundary Change & Future Road Discussion. Myers Road, Parcel # 32.-137A24 8:00 PM Cayuga Crushed Stone (Besemer), Preliminary Sketch Plan, 1 Lot Subdivision, Drake Road - Parcel # 38.-1-11 .41 . • 8:10 PM Timothy Fish, 1 Lot Subdivision, 18 Atwater Road, Parcel # 37.13-11 8:20 PM The Rink - Locker Room Expansion, Site Plan Review - 1767 East Shore Drive, Parcel # 37.1-6-9 8:35 PM Anthony Hay - Informal Discussion- 3 Lot (Original plus 2) Subdivision . (Classify 7 Minor or Major) Myers Road, Parcel # 32-137.422 8:50 PM Other Business: Dick question for PB regarding Wendell & Julia Thompson, Subdivision (Split by Road) Salmon Creek - Parcel # 4.-13.22 9:00 PM Approval of August 9, 2004 Minutes 9:05 PM Dicct'csion - October 11th (Holiday) & October 25th Planning Board Meetings •