HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-09-23 Amended 10/22/02
•5 Town of Lansing
6 Monday, September 23 , 2002 7 : 00 PM PLANNING BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
('Denotes present)
9 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin
10 Larry Sharpsteen Lin Davidson
11 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield
12 * Nancy Loncto
13 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman
14 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
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17 Public Present
18 Andrew Boerman 73 Wilson Road
19 William Albers Ithaca
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22 GENERAL BUSINESS
• Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 12 PM .
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25 Boerman —1 Lot Subdivision — Brickyard & Wilson
26 Mr. Boerman plans to install a waterline in the middle of his property, and would like to dedicate a 20 '
27 piece of property to the Town of Lansing for the use as a walkway for the community. Mr. Boerman
28 will provide a 6 ` gravel walkway and fencing on both sides that the Town will maintain . This has to be
29 subdivided out in order to transfer ownership to the Town .
30 Gregg Travis : Is the purpose of doing this now to get the water service in prior to selling the other lots?
31 William Alberni We have to get the water service in to make the lots usable .
32 Richard Platt : Is this really a subdivision , or how do we handle this ?
33 Brad Griffin : I wondered , maybe this is just a boundary line change .
34 Dave Hatfield : This is really not a boundary line change because you ' re splitting this property in half.
35 Larry Sharpsteen : You ' re creating a distinct piece of property that can be deeded to the Town .
36 Gregg Travis : Would the Town want it?
37 Bud Shattuck : Yes .
38 Larry Sharpsteen : If the Planning Board were to accept the idea that this should be a subdivision and if
such a subdivision was accepted by the Planning Board that wouldn ' t be any guarantee that the Town
would accept that property.
41 Bud Shattuck : Yes , based on Planning Board subdivision.
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Viola Miller We do have a right to grant some kind of a Variance, isn ' t it possible to grant this as a
2 variance that doesn ' t conform to a normal subdivision?
03 William Albern : We are asking to subdivide one piece, in order for the Town to own. it .
4 Viola Miller : It ' s not a logical subdivision .
5 Dave Hatfield : I ' d like to recuse myself from any vote tonight on this . This is a conflict of interest to
6 me. This benefits me immensely.
7 William Albern : We are only talking the green line that goes right straight across . It ' s a walkway/water
8 maintenance parcel for water and sewer.
9 Brad Griffin : My question is whether we would be able to handle that along with other items in a major
10 subdivision , would we just add that in to the other divisions your going to make?
11 William Albern : Yes . Eventually we are going to come back and ask for approval of another lot . At
12 some point in time, you guys are going to say, "we want a subdivision plan"
13 Nancy Loncto : I think we ' re there .
14 William. Albern : At this point Mr. Boerman would like to have the opportunity to be able to sell a lot or
15 two more before he has to put things in concrete .
16 Gregg Travis : For follow up on Major Subdivisions, we probably are going to say, ok, we will do this
17 for tonight, but for selling off any more lots individually we want you to come back for a subdivision .
18 Viola Miller : After 4 more, than it ' s a Major Subdivision .
19 Larry Sharpsteen : Mr. Chairman, this would be the 2nd subdivision of a single lot property on this land .
AO It is a non-conforming lot, it doesn ' t fulfill any requirements for road frontage . It is not a flag lot
gp because it doesn ' t lead to a larger piece of property on this particular parcel , therefore, with those 2
22 items they will require a waiver of general subdivision rules, however for the stated purpose I don ' t see
23 any problem with it since it would be turned over to The Town of Lansing as a rural right of way for a
24 waterline/ maintenance and trail . I would move that this subdivision be accepted as a 1 -lot subdivision,
25 with a Public Hearing due to the fact that it doesn ' t comply with the subdivision requirements on 2
26 counts .
27 William Albern : We intend to leave a 60 ' right a way into parcel #9 so that should anything develop
28 they could get a road in there . No expectations of that ever happening at this moment . Mr. Boerman
29 expects to keep the property and build in that area.
30 Brad Griffin : Seconded . Abstained : David Hatfield , Viola Miller. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION
31 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
32 Planning Board Meeting Dates Rescheduled
33 Mr. Shattuck brought to the Boards attention that the first scheduled meeting date for the months of
34 October & November are none working days and the Code Office is closed . The board agreed to change
35 the dates to Tuesday, October 15 , 2002 at 7 : 30 PM and Tuesday, November 12 , 2002 at 7 : 00 PM .
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37 Rogan Driveway-Collin Road
38 Mr. Platt spoke with Gary Wood and Mr. Rogan as the Planning Board had questions about the
driveway. Mr. Rogan intends to put in 1 driveway that everybody will be able to use . The future
W property owners will have a 20 ' strip that they may use . The base and grade of the driveway will be built
41 to the Town of Lansing specs . The County has not sent a response to the 239 as of yet. Hopefully it will
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3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 arrive by our next meeting. The deed restrictions have been received and they were distributed to all
2 Planning Board Members at this meeting. In a prior meeting it was discussed and documented that there
would be no subdivisions inside the subdivisions .
4 Nancy Loncto : On the second page of the covenants it states : Subdivision Map . Shall mean any final
5 map within the meaning of the Town of Lansing. Maybe we need to ask them specify the date of the
6 final subdivision map .
7 Lin Davidson : It must be clear that those lots will not be subdivided . It must be in our minutes, also that
8 we discussed it now .
9 Approval of September 09 , 2002 Minutes
10 Brad Griffin : Page 2 , Jason Demarest : Obviously we can ' t put it anywhere without the Health
11 Department approval .
12 Larry Sharpsteen motion to accept the minutes as amended . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL TI\
13 FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
14 Tompkins County SEAR Training
15 Mr. Platt advised the Board that the County Planning Department would be holding 2 training sessions
16 for municipal government officials . The sessions will be held on October 23rd and 24th 2002 . For
17 further information contact Kathy Wilsea at TCPD @ 274- 5560 no later than October 18 , 2002 .
18 Cima Project 60 ' Strip of Land
19 Mr. Travis explained to all Board Members that there was a question about the 60 ' piece whether in fact it should
20 / or was reserved for a future road .
ip Richard Platt: Read a letter from John Barney, Attorney for Candace Cima stating they have proof of ownership
of the 60 ' parcel .
23 Gregg Travis : In summary the roads that the Town owns were deeded . The 60 ' strip was not ever deeded over,
24 there , since Alex retained ownership and thru his dying has passed it on to Candy Cima . She in fact owns the
25 parcel for which it was noted a "Future Road" but it wasn ' t really a road.
26 Richard Platt: I spoke with Rich John about this, and he will be reviewing it and then will give us his opinion .
27 I think the 60 ' strip should become part of that parcel ; they will need to do a boundary change .
28 Larry Sharpsteen : The map should be changed .
29 Viola Miller: I ' m no lawyer but it seems to me that when you file a map and that piece of land is there for a future
30 road, this board will have to take action on this because she is changing a PDA .
31 Lin Davidson : One thing to take action, but does the Town have to own it? If it ' s been left as a future road until
32 such time we need another road .
33 Larry Sharpsteen : In order to satisfy everybody, they would have to come back here with a change to the PDA .
34 Lin Davidson : What' s the use of having a paper road and an access if people can change the PDA?
35 Viola Miller: They can ' t. If we no longer need that access , they need to come back for a change in the PDA
36 Lin Davidson : The question is, do you want to have neighborhoods that people can move through or do they have
37 to come back out on the major road? There are two ways to handle this , one way is cul -de-sacs . They are
38inefficient for the movement of people .
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Larry Sharpsteen : If they came through with a change giving a 60 ' right a way on the other side of the water
tower.
41 Viola Miller: It ' s almost impossible to deal with the Village and the Town when it comes to roads .
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4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Lin Davidson : They can move the apartments to the East and use the right a way as their driveway to the
2 apartments .
03 Larry Sharpsteen : They would have to have a variance .
4 Brad Griffen : If indeed they apply for that, what speculatively could occur?
5 Larry Sharpsteen : The whole lot is deeded over to the Town where the water tower is . If they go on the other side
6 it ' s the Village and the point was made that the Village can ' t be dealt with .
7 Brad Griffin : If somebody applied to the Village , the Village has to either respond or face an article 78
8 proceeding. There are some alternatives here .
9 Viola Miller: They could build in the Village .
10 Larry Sharpsteen : The other alternative is with the setback variance from the "Town, they could position the Guest
11 Village to the East.
12 Gregg Travis : She could also purchase a small parcel from John Young .
13 Richard Platt : Mrs . Cima is pretty adamant that she does not want a road going through there .
14 Gregg Travis : Isn ' t there a legal issue that her lawyer says it ' s their property?
15 Bud Shattuck: We ' ll let Rich John take a look at things, and get back to us by the next meeting .
16 Sun Path Findings
17 Bud Shattuck reported that the findings were not completed . He and Rich John talked for a number of
18 hours regarding their notes . Rachel will continue to provide minutes to Mr. Shattuck for his review. Mr.
19 John was prepared to tell Mr. Simkin that it would behoove him not to purchase that property based on
20 the fact that he could do as he had hoped to bring it forward to this board . It appears that the subdivision
0 changes haven ' t been metered through the County process over the years . Rich John thought it would
be better if we took a couple of months to go through all the documents and make sure everyone knew
23 what was there .
24 Larry Sharpsteen : Do we know specifically which changes were made to that subdivision were made
25 that the County doesn ' t think they had due notification on?
26 Bud Shattuck : No . There were a number of things that came through theses boards . There was property
27 that was sold and deed transactions took place before a subdivision happened on those exact properties .
28 The Town Board preference would be to go over the documents and the legal part of it before turning it
29 back over to the Planning Board . Also, Mr. John will be under the Town Board budget when he does
30 this research .
31 Whispering Pines Extension
32 Larry Sharpsteen : I was reading the Health Department comments and I was getting a little bit crank
33 when they said this all has to be on the long form . I couldn ' t recall whether we had done any of
34 Whispering Pines on a "long form" .
35 Viola Miller: Is this a new subdivision or a continuation of the old?
36 Larry Sharpsteen : Phase IV .
37 Viola Miller: Was this done within the time limits?
38Larry Sharpsteen : Yes, phase III was just completed a year ago . That ' s the other thing, what ' s the deal
4 with subdivisions? If the map is filed with the County then it doesn ' t have any sunset period . Basically
what the Health Department report states for those 8 properties are , they need raised beds .
41 Bud Shattuck : What ' s the size of those properties ?
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5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Richard Platt : They range in size from 1 . 5 acres to 2 acres .
2 Viola Miller: How long are those?
03 Richard Platt : 588 ' long by 150 ' wide .
4 Viola Miller: That ' s terrible .
5 Bud Shattuck : The other question is, are we going to ask him to put his future road access out the other
6 end ?
7 Larry Sharpsteen : The other way goes back towards Aspen Way.
8 Richard Platt : The future road shown on the map goes out to Warren . Right now he ' s showing a turn
9 around . I think the idea is to keep the wooded area for now .
10 Brad Griffin : I gather that the Health Department has chosen the long form procedure as indicated in the
11 letter.
12 Larry Sharpsteen : The way I read it, the lead agency may be the Town of Lansing or the Tompkins
13 County Health Department to be responsible for the SEQR review or each agency may make it ' s own
14 review and determination . In fact, we have made a determination on the short form previously.
15 Bud Shattuck : Is our concern, there ' s an environmental problem that needs to be re looked at .
16 Larry Sharpsteen : No . The Health Department is saying we should have used a long form . We ' re
17 looking at it as houses ; each house will need a sewer. It ' s not rocket science to dictate, given that area
18 that those have to be raised bed systems . It ' s been that way since day one .
19 Bud Shattuck : There ' s no other environmental aspect other than the sewer is there?
10Larry Sharpsteen : No .
1 Lin Davidson : Does this deal with the low water pressure?
22 Larry Sharpsteen : Low water pressure is a different problem entirely. This is just disposal .
23 Lin Davidson : There was a question about a water line going in there .
24 Bud Shattuck : Yes, that was a good thing . We were going to be able to hook up to Warren Road part of
25 it which would give us back that pressure they don ' t have up there . If I remember right, I think Dave
26 Herrick said they might have to make that water extension from the other way in order to get to these 8
27 properties .
28 Larry Sharpsteen : If that ' s the case then he will have to come to us with a lay out for the connection out
29 onto the road .
30 Viola Miller : Have the design and layout of the subdivision been accepted yet? Is this a preliminary or
31 something that he considers a final ?
32 Richard Platt : I think he considers this a final .
33 Bud Shattuck : The subdivision hasn ' t happen yet.
34 Viola Miller: That ' s a horrible subdivision . I think we should look at this very carefully.
35 Larry Sharpsteen : We can ' t go over it until he presents it to us . He hasn ' t presented it to us yet .
36 Richard Platt : He did bring a sketch to the Planning Board on 5/6/02 for an informal discussion .
Larry Sharpsteen : From the start he was very clear that he was going to be submitting multiple phases .
36 We allowed him to phase it, and this is just another phase of the same subdivision, which we ' ve already
39 established precedence by letting him bring the plans in for each phase at one at a time .
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6 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23. 2002
1 Richard Platt : I will contact him and see where he thinks he is .
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•3 Sciarabba- Future Development — Town Barn Road & Peruville Road
4 Mr. Platt presented to the Board a sketch plan of a proposed 17 , 750 SF building that would hold Frozen
5 Food Distribution /Office Spaces that Mr. Sciarabba would like to build . He plans for a major
6 expansion in the future to add a grocery store in that area. This is in a combination of Bl /IR district .
7 Bud Shattuck : Are both of those roads Town roads ?
8 Richard Platt : Yes .
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10 Planning Board Vacancy
11 The Town Board has requested that we advertise and consider candidates . The Planning Board will
12 review and then recommend. We will notify the Ithaca Journal and request that Lyle Wadell post to our
13 WEB site . Also, a posting will be placed on the Town Hall bulletin board . Brad Griffin has offered his
14 time to work with incoming candidate .
15 Visitor to Attend Planning Meeting
16 Mr. Shattuck advised the Board that Ms . Susan Brock would be attending the October 28 , 2002 to go
17 over the changes that we have instituted . At that time she will advise us of any corrections that need to
18 be made .
19 Zoning Map Changes
• Larry Sharpsteen : I ' m in disagreement with the whole thing. I believe we need the R3 and the RA
21 boundary should have been left where it was . We need the R3 period .
22 David Hatfield : It ' s the only working farm in the neighborhood, why would you get rid of it?
23 Lin Davidson : We not getting rid of anything .
24 David Hatfield : Your moving it from RA to R3 .
25 Viola Miller : You ' ve got to think of the future . That farm can stay a working farm forever. You ' re grand
26 fathered in , you can even sell it .
27 David Hatfield : What if I don ' t want to sell it, we ' re not here to push Farmers out of Lansing .
28 Larry Sharpsteen : My point on the R3 is that it ' s the last place in town that ' s close to the central area
29 where people can put in affordable housing . If we make that an R2 than we are legislating out an entire
30 economic group .
31 Lin Davidson : Perhaps we can change the stripes and say we want to allow high -density housing in R3 .
32 David Hatfield : The boundary can go in the road .
33 Larry Sharpsteen : I would like to acknowledge change of the R2 down along Lake Shore Drive to LI .
34 Lin Davidson : Motion to adjourn meeting at 9 : 30 . Nancy Loncto seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR.
35 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
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•5 Town of Lansing
6 Monday, September 23 , 2002 7 : 00 PM PLANNING BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
('Denotes present)
9 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin
10 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson
11 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield
12 * Nancy Loncto
13 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman
14 * Richard Plan, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
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17 Public Present
18 Andrew Boerman 73 Wilson Road
19 William Albert Ithaca
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22 GENERAL BUSINESS
7 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 12 PM .
25 Boerman —1 Lot Subdivision — Brickyard & Wilson
26 Mr. Boerman plans to install a waterline in the middle of his property, and would like to dedicate a 20 '
27 piece of property to the Town of Lansing for the use as a walkway for the community. Mr. Boerman
28 will provide a 6 ' gravel walkway and fencing on both sides that the Town will maintain . This has to be
29 subdivided out in order to transfer ownership to the Town .
30 Gregg Travis : Is the purpose of doing this now to get the water service in prior to selling the other lots?
31 William Albern : We have to get the water service in to make the lots usable .
32 Richard Platt : Is this really a subdivision , or how do we handle this?
33 Brad Griffin : I wondered , maybe this is just a boundary line change .
34 Dave Hatfield : This is really not a boundary line change because you ' re splitting this property in half.
35 Larry Sharpsteen : Your creating a distinct piece of property that can be deeded to the Town .
36 Gregg Travis : Would the Town want it?
37 Bud Shattuck : Yes .
38 Larry Sharpsteen : If the Planning Board were to accept the idea that this should be a subdivision and if
39 such a subdivision was accepted by the Planning Board that wouldn ' t be any guarantee that the Town
would accept that property.
4t Bud Shattuck : Yes , based on Planning Board subdivision .
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Viola Miller : We do have a right to grant some kind of a Variance, isn ' t it possible to grant this as a
2 variance that doesn ' t conform to a normal subdivision?
03 William Albern : We are asking to subdivide one piece, in order for the Town to own it.
4 Viola Miller: It ' s not a logical subdivision .
5 Dave Hatfield : I ' d like to recuse myself from any vote tonight on this . This is a conflict of interest to
6 me . This benefits me immensely.
7 William Albern : We are only talking the green line that goes right straight across . It ' s a walkway/water
8 maintenance parcel for water and sewer.
9 Brad Griffin : My question is whether we would be able to handle that along with other items in a major
10 subdivision , would we just add that in to the other divisions your going to make?
11 William Albern : Yes . Eventually we are going to come back and ask for approval of another lot . At
12 some point in time, you guys are going to say, "we want a subdivision plan"
13 Nancy Loncto : I think we ' re there .
14 William Albern : At this point Mr. Boerman would like to have the opportunity to be able to sell a lot or
15 two more before he has to put things in concrete .
16 Gregg Travis : For follow up on subdivisions , we probably are going to say, ok, we will do this for
17 tonight, but for selling off any more lots individually we want you to come back for a subdivision .
18 Viola Miller : After 4 more, than it ' s a subdivision .
19 Larry Sharpsteen : Mr. Chairman , this would be the 2nd subdivision of a single lot property on this land .
20 It is a non-conforming lot, it doesn ' t fulfill any requirements for road frontage . It is not a flag lot
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because it doesn ' t lead to a larger piece of property on this particular parcel , therefore, with those 2
22 items they will require a waiver of general subdivision rules , however for the stated purpose I don ' t see
23 any problem with it since it would be turned over to The Town of Lansing as a rural right of way for a
24 waterline/ maintenance and trail . I would move that this subdivision be accepted as a 1 - lot subdivision,
25 with a Public Hearing due to the fact that it doesn ' t comply with the subdivision requirements on 2
26 counts .
27 William Albern : We intend to leave a 60 ' right a way into parcel #9 so that should anything develop
28 they could get a road in there . No expectations of that ever happening at this moment. Mr. Boerman
29 expects to keep the property and build in that area.
30 Brad Griffin : Seconded . Abstained : David Hatfield , Viola Miller. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION
31 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
32 Planning Board Meeting Dates Rescheduled
33 Mr. Shattuck brought to the Boards attention that the first scheduled meeting date for the months of
34 October & November are none working days and the Code Office is closed . The board agreed to change
35 the dates to Tuesday, October 15 , 2002 at 7 : 30 PM and Tuesday, November 12 , 2002 at 7 : 00 PM .
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37 Rogan Driveway-Collin Road
38 Mr. Platt spoke with Gary Wood and Mr. Rogan as the Planning Board had questions about the
adriveway. Mr. Rogan intends to put in 1 driveway that everybody will be able to use. The future
property owners will have a 20 ' strip that they may use . The base and grade of the driveway will be built
41 to the Town of Lansing specs . The County has not sent a response to the 239 as of yet . Hopefully it will
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3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 arrive by our next meeting . The deed restrictions have been received and they were distributed to all
2 Planning Board Members at this meeting . In a prior meeting it was discussed and documented that there
03 would be no subdivisions inside the subdivisions .
4 Nancy Loncto : On the second page of the covenants it states : Subdivision Map . Shall mean any final
5 map within the meaning of the Town of Lansing. Maybe we need to ask them specify the date of the
6 final subdivision map .
7 Lin Davidson : It must be clear that those lots will not be subdivided . It must be in our minutes , also that
8 we discussed it now .
9 Approval of September 09, 2002 Minutes
10 Brad Griffin : Page 2 , Jason Demarest : Obviously we can ' t put it anywhere without the Health
11 Department approval .
12 Larry Sharpsteen motion to accept the minutes as amended . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN
13 FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
14 Tompkins County SEAR Training
15 Mr. Platt advised the Board that the County Planning Department would be holding 2 training sessions
16 for municipal government officials . The sessions will be held on October 23rd and 24th 2002 . For
17 further information contact Kathy Wilsea at TCPD @ 274- 5560 no later than October 18 , 2002 .
18 Cima Project 60 ' Strip of Land
19 Mr. Travis explained to all Board Members that there was a question about the 60 ' piece whether in fact it should
20 / or was reserved for a future road .
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Richard Platt: Read a letter from John Barney, Attorney for Candace Cima stating they have proof of ownership
of the 60 ' parcel .
23 Gregg Travis : In summary the roads that the Town owns were deeded . The 60 ' strip was not ever deeded over,
24 there, since Alex retained ownership and thru his dying has passed it on to Candy Cima . She in fact owns the
25 parcel for which it was noted a "Future Road" but it wasn ' t really a road .
26 Richard Platt: 1 spoke with Rich John about this , and he will be reviewing it and then will give us his opinion .
27 I think the 60 ' strip should become part of that parcel ; they will need to do a boundary change .
28 Larry Sharpsteen : The map should be changed .
29 Viola Miller: I ' m no lawyer but it seems to me that when you file a map and that piece of land is there for a future
30 road, this board will have to take action on this because she is changing a major subdivision .
31 Lin Davidson : One thing to take action, but does the Town have to own it? If it ' s been left as a future road until
32 such time we need another road .
33 Larry Sharpsteen : In order to satisfy everybody, they would have to come back here with a change to the
34 subdivision .
35 Lin Davidson : What ' s the use of having a paper road and an access if people can change the subdivision ?
36 Viola Miller: They can ' t. If we no longer need that access, they need to come back for a change in the Major
37 Subdivision .
38 Lin Davidson : The question is, do you want to have neighborhoods that people can move through or do they have
39to come back out on the major road? There are two ways to handle this, one way is cul -de-sacs . They are
• inefficient for the movement of people .
41 Larry Sharpsteen : If they came through with a change giving a 60 ' right a way on the other side of the water
42 tower.
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4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Viola Miller: It ' s almost impossible to deal with the Village and the Town when it comes to roads .
2 Lin Davidson : They can move the apartments to the East and use the right a way as their driveway to the
II, apartments .
4 Larry Sharpsteen : They would have to have a variance .
5 Brad Griffen : If indeed they apply for that, what speculatively could occur?
6 Larry Sharpsteen : The whole lot is deeded over to the Town where the water tower is . If they go on the other side
7 it ' s the Village and the point was made that the Village can ' t be dealt with .
8 Brad Griffin : If somebody applied to the Village, the Village has to either respond or face an article 78
9 proceeding. There are some alternatives here .
10 Viola Miller: They could build in the Village .
11 Larry Sharpsteen : The other alternative is with the setback variance from the Town, they could position the Guest
12 Village to the East.
13 Gregg Travis : She could also purchase a small parcel from John Young.
14 Richard Platt : Mrs . Cima is pretty adamant that she does not want a road going through there .
15 Gregg Travis : Isn ' t there a legal issue that her lawyer says it ' s their property?
16 Bud Shattuck: We ' ll let Rich John take a look at things, and get back to us by the next meeting .
17 Sun Path Findings
18 Bud Shattuck reported that the findings were not completed . He and Rich John talked for a number of
19 hours regarding their notes . Rachel will continue to provide minutes to Mr. Shattuck for his review . Mr.
20 John was prepared to tell Mr. Simkin that it would behoove him not to purchase that property based on
ipthe fact that he could do as he had hoped to bring it forward to this board . It appears that the subdivision
changes haven ' t been metered through the County process over the years . Rich John thought it would
23 be better if we took a couple of months to go through all the documents and make sure everyone knew
24 what was there .
25 Larry Sharpsteen : Do we know specifically which changes were made to that subdivision were made
26 that the County doesn ' t think they had due notification on ?
27 Bud Shattuck : No . There were a number of things that came through theses boards . There was property
28 that was sold and deed transactions took place before a subdivision happened on those exact properties .
29 The Town Board preference would be to go over the documents and the legal part of it before turning it
30 back over to the Planning Board . Also , Mr. John will be under the Town Board budget when he does
31 this research .
32 Whispering Pines Extension
33 Larry Sharpsteen : I was reading the Health Department comments and I was getting a little bit crank
34 when they said this all has to be on the long fornl . I couldn ' t recall whether we had done any of
35 Whispering Pines on a "long form".
36 Viola Miller : Is this a new subdivision or a continuation of the old ?
37 Larry Sharpsteen : Phase IV .
38 Viola Miller : Was this done within the time limits?
di irk Larry Sharpsteen : Yes, phase III was just completed a year ago . That ' s the other thing, what ' s the deal
with subdivisions? If the map is filed with the County then it doesn ' t have any sunset period . Basically
41 what the Health Department report states for those 8 properties are, they need raised beds .
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5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, September 23, 2002
1 Bud Shattuck : What ' s the size of those properties ?
2 Richard Platt : They range in size from 1 . 5 acres to 2 acres .
03 Viola Miller: How long are those?
4 Richard Platt : 588 ' long by 150 ' wide .
5 Viola Miller : That ' s terrible .
6 Bud Shattuck : The other question is , are we going to ask him to put his future road access out the other
7 end ?
8 Larry Sharpsteen : The other way goes back towards Aspen Way.
9 Richard Platt : The future road shown on the map goes out to Warren . Right now he ' s showing a turn
10 around . I think the idea is to keep the wooded area for now .
11 Brad Griffin : I gather that the Health Department has chosen the long form procedure as indicated in the
12 letter.
13 Larry Sharpsteen : The way I read it, the lead agency may be the Town of Lansing or the Tompkins
14 County Health Department to be responsible for the SEQR review or each agency may make it ' s own
15 review and determination . In fact, we have made a determination on the short form previously.
16 Bud Shattuck : Is our concern , there ' s an environmental problem that needs to be re looked at .
17 Larry Sharpsteen : No . The Health Department is saying we should have used a long form . We ' re
18 looking at it as houses ; each house will need a sewer. It ' s not rocket science to dictate, given that area
19 that those have to be raised bed systems . It ' s been that way since day one .
01 Bud Shattuck : There ' s no other environmental aspect other than the sewer is there?
Larry Sharpsteen : No .
22 Lin Davidson : Does this deal with the low water pressure?
23 Larry Sharpsteen : Low water pressure is a different problem entirely. This is just disposal .
24 Lin Davidson : There was a question about a water line going in there .
25 Bud Shattuck : Yes, that was a good thing. We were going to be able to hook up to Warren Road part of
26 it which would give us back that pressure they don ' t have up there . If I remember right, I think Dave
27 Herrick said they might have to make that water extension from the other way in order to get to these 8
28 properties .
29 Larry Sharpsteen : If that ' s the case then he will have to come to us with a lay out for the connection out
30 onto the road .
31 Viola Miller : Have the design and layout of the subdivision been accepted yet? Is this a preliminary or
32 something that he considers a final ?
33 Richard Plan : I think he considers this a final .
34 Bud Shattuck : The subdivision hasn ' t happen yet .
35 Viola Miller That ' s a horrible subdivision . I think we should look at this very carefully.
36 Larry Sharpsteen : We can ' t go over it until he presents it to us . He hasn ' t presented it to us yet .
. Richard Platt : He did bring a sketch to the Planning Board on 5 /6/02 for an informal discussion .
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1 Larry Sharpsteen : From the start he was very clear that he was going to be submitting multiple phases .
2 We allowed him to phase it, and this is just another phase of the same subdivision , which we ' ve already
0 established precedence by letting him bring the plans in for each phase at one at a time .
4 Richard Platt : I will contact him and see where he thinks he is .
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6 Sciarabba- Future Development — Town Barn Road & Peruville Road
7 Mr. Platt presented to the Board a sketch plan of a proposed 17 , 750 SF building that would hold Frozen
8 Food Distribution /Office Spaces that Mr. Sciarabba would like to build . He plans for a major
9 expansion in the future to add a grocery store in that area . This is in a combination of BI /IR district .
10 Bud Shattuck : Are both of those roads Town roads ?
11 Richard Platt : Yes .
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13 Planning Board Vacancy
14 The Town Board has requested that we advertise and consider candidates . The Planning Board will
15 review and then recommend . We will notify the Ithaca Journal and request that Lyle Wadell post to our
16 WEB site . Also , a posting will be placed on the Town Hall bulletin board . Brad Griffin has offered his
17 time to work with incoming candidate .
18 Visitor to Attend Planning Meeting
19 Mr. Shattuck advised the Board that Ms . Susan Brock would be attending the October 28 , 2002 to go
over the changes that we have instituted . At that time she will advise us of any corrections that need to
be made.
22 Zoning Map Changes
23 Larry Sharpsteen : I ' m in disagreement with the whole thing . I believe we need the R3 and the RA
24 boundary should have been left where it was . We need the R3 period .
25 David Hatfield : It ' s the only working farm in the neighborhood , why would you get rid of it?
26 Lin Davidson : We not getting rid of anything .
27 David Hatfield : Your moving it from RA to R3 .
28 Viola Miller: You ' ve got to think of the future. That farm can stay a working farm forever. You ' re grand
29 fathered in , you can even sell it .
30 David Hatfield : What if I don ' t want to sell it, we ' re not here to push Farmers out of Lansing .
31 Larry Sharpsteen : My point on the R3 is that it ' s the last place in town that ' s close to the central area
32 where people can put in affordable housing. If we make that an R2 than we are legislating out an entire
33 economic group .
34 Lin Davidson : Perhaps we can change the stripes and say we want to allow high -density housing in R3 .
35 David Hatfield : The boundary can go in the road .
36 Larry Sharpsteen : I would like to acknowledge change of the R2 down along Lake Shore Drive to LI .
40 Lin Davidson : Motion to adjourn meeting at 9 : 30 . Nancy Loncto seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR.
38 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
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Town of Lansing
Planning Board Meeting
September 23 , 2002 7 : 00 PM
Lansing Town Hall — Board Room
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7:00 PM Discuss Rogan Driveway, Collins Road
7:30 PM Discuss Cima Project- 60' Strip of Land
8:00 PM Discuss Sun Path Findings
8: 30PM Discuss Extension of Whispering Pines Subdivision
And Health Department Comments
9:00 PM Discuss Future Development of Area Between Town Barn
Road and Peruville Road. Sketch of Site Plan Submitted
By Andy Sciarabba.
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