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2 Town of Lansing
0 Monday, June 17 , 2002 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
5 (*Denotes present)
6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin
7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson
8 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield
9 * Nancy Loncto
10 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman
11 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer * Doug McEver, Town Councilman
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14 Public Present
15 Richard Meagher 73 Aspen Way Sandy Dhimitri 155 Hillcrest road
16 Paul Costantini 1 Whispering Pines Drive Candis Bailey 56 Triphammer Terrace
17 Phil Skeps 80 Triphammer Terrace Mariano Garcia 3 Stormy View Road
18 George Frantz 604 Cliff Street Barry J. Long 40 Forest Acres Drive
19 Eric Mulivihill WHCU Louise Barr 2791 North Triphammer Road
20 Alexandra Sake WHCU Paul Costantini 1 Whispering Pines Drive
Ronald Parks 125 Triphammer Terrace Doug Firth0
26 Aspen Way
Richard Wentworth 232 Hillcrest Road Lisa Farr 31 Aspen Way
23 Jean Wentworth 232 Hillcrest Road Craig Trowbridge 15 Aspen Way
24 Pat McDonough 26 Dandyview Heights Bill Lucas 20 Asbury Road
25 Susan Jaquette 41 Forest Acres Drive Robert Rasmussen 127 Asbury Road
26 Anke Wessels 43 Forest Acres Drive Dennis Osika 25 Dandyview Heights
27 Tom LiVigne 33 Grandview Drive Walter Poland 7 Triphammer Terrace
28 John Jaquette 41 Forest Acres Drive Daniel Signore 153 White Church Road
29 Ronald Ronsvalle 680 Ridge Road Maureen Ronsvalle 680 Ridge Road
30 Dick Thaler 309 N. Tioga Street Christina Turek 2320 Atwater Road
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32 Jason Turek 2320 Atwater Road
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35 GENERAL BUSINESS
36 Gregg Travis reconvened the meeting at 7 :40PM
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38 Ronsvalle PDA-Review of Statement of Intent to Comply
39 Mr. Travis ' s opening remarks were that of the news media, The Ithaca Journal . In today ' s paper there was an
article that the board members read that had some inaccuracies. One of the statements read, "town officials want
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the project to occur", quoted Mr. Frantz. We want to make it clear, that may be Mr. Frantz ' s opinion but there is
42 no one on this board or any town official that we have heard say, they want this project to occur. Also, it was
43 indicated that perhaps the developer would come back at a later request for another PDA. It ' s clear to us and we
44 believe that this is the one PDA of action for that parcel of land. That ' s all we ' re considering, and not considering
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 any others . Mr. Travis explained the reason we postponed our last meeting was because we only had 4 board
2 members present. We felt it was such an important discussion we would really like to have a full board . Mr.
Travis read the additional items that the board felt the developer fell short on .
111P4 They were :
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6 1 . Driveways- built to town specifications .
7 The developer' s response was he would build to the construction type, but not to the width.
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9 2 . Reorienting the buildings to comply with site lines of existing housing.
10 The developer' s response was he thought the orientation of the buildings that was proposed was a good one .
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13 The developer did agree to comply to change the number of units from 48 to 24 .
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15 Gregg Travis : A reminder to all that our decision is not final , we are recommending. The Town Board has the
16 final decisions on whether to accept this PDA or not. However, our responsibility is to give it a fair and thorough
17 investigation/discussion .
18 Gregg Travis : Are there any other items that you feel the developer has not complied with as we had stated in our
19 letter?
20 Viola Miller: If this is approved by the Town Board and this comes back to us, this will take a number of months
to complete . We would be working with Site Plan and there are many things that we will insist on being done.
22 Brad Griffin : I would mention for the record that on the last page of the developers response it refers to Nationally
23 accepted standards for bicycle paths . I don ' t think that particular quark is responsive to our letter.
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25 Gregg Travis : I will also note that the response from the developer did say he would break the ridgeline according
26 to the contours of the property.
27 Brad Griffin: The PDA exists as part of the Town of Lansing Ordinance . The board would have a legal
28 responsibility to deal with that as it stands . It ' s quite obvious from the correspondence that with the 2nd issue, we
29 and the Town Board would have to consider the concept of the PDA It ' s quite clearly not popular in terms of the
30 representation to this board.
31 Lin : I will make a motion that the Planning Board very clearly set forth guidelines that we want to hear responses
32 to. For A large number of those very clear charges that the developer thought they had a better idea or we should
33 rethink our charges to the developer. I would vote a no as far as the Planning Board accepting the proposal as
34 presented by the developer.
35 Larry Sharpsteen: I make a motion, I move that based on the developer ' s response, to the charge of the Planning
36 Board for the request for changes to the initial proposal at this time the Planning Board recommend to the Town
37 Board not to accept the PDA as presented.
38 Nancy Loncto : Seconded the motion .
39 Viola Miller: I think it is worded a little strongly. Our recommendation to the Town Board should not be a yes or
40 a no, but it should be with the conditions we have found undesirable .
Gregg Travis : We will be specific .
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3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
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2Brad Griffin : On May 14, 2002 the Chair gave Mr. Ronsvalle a response that you summarize and my recollection
403 is I endorsed those at that time and I do now.
4 Dave Hatfield: If we vote no, what ' s his next step?
5 Larry Sharpsteen : We hashed out these 6 specific items that were major concerns, if we felt those concerns were
6 met. We would be able to make some sort of borderline recommendation to the Town Board to go ahead with the
7 PDA. We set forth a proposal and that proposal was not met, therefore, under those conditions based on what we
8 said that it was not met.
9 Viola Miller: This motion is saying we simply don ' t want a PDA in that area.
10 Larry Sharpsteen : I did not say that, what I said was under the current conditions, which includes the developers
11 response to the Planning Boards request.
12 Viola Miller: I think it should say, as a result of the responses made by the developer.
13 Larry Sharpsteen : I would accept that.
14 Brad Griffin: I would suggest there may be the possibility consistent with my remarks before, that the board
15 would recommend that the development is approveable on the basis of the points numerated in the boards May
16 14th letter.
17 Lan-y Sharpsteen: Brad I would be happy to withdraw my motion and let you reword it as you stated.
18 Viola Miller: When we submit our letter to the Town Board we have to let them know what was not met.
19 Larry Sharpsteen : May I may a suggestion to further the wording of your motion to the Town Board based on
20 compliance with our letter to the developer of May 14, 2002 . Under those circumstances we could make a
21 positive recommendation to the Town Board . I would further state the response from the developer has not agreed
0 to all of those conditions .
Gregg Travis : I would like one clear motion to vote on .
24 Richard Platt: Based on the letter from the Planning Board of May 14, 2002 to the developer the Planning Board
25 could approve the PDA based on the developer' s response, he did not agree to those conditions .
26 Lin Davidson : Put the compliance word in there .
27 Larry Sharpsteen : Based on the developer ' s compliance with the Planning Board letter of May 14, 2002, the
28 Planning Board would be able to recommend approval to the Town Board . The developer currently has not
29 agreed to comply with all the conditions in the letter of May 14, 2002 . _ - ' • • - • - , • - • : - - • . . : ; ;
31 Larry Sharpsteen: I strike the last sentence of my statement
32 Nancy Loncto: I ' m sorry I feel too strongly that their letter does not meet the requests and stipulations of May 14, .
33 2002 .
34 Larry Sharpsteen: With the motion as amended (last sentence) do you think it ' s clear to the Town Board that
35 there ' s more work to be done before the Planning Board should issue a positive recommendation?
36 Bud Shattuck: I think if you had a developers conference and you gave a set of conditions, and the developer said
37 they would send back a written statement of their intent to comply, the next step for you to either conditionally
38 approval or disapprove the proposed PDA. 706 . 7 . 1
39 Viola Miller: Have they tried to meet it?
40 Lin Davidson : No .
Brad Griffin : What ever the motion is I vote that it be a unanimous feeling that we would want to convey to the
Board that those points of May 14, 2002 were still standards for approval of the Board.
43 Viola Miller: It seems to me that we were not interested in having anything go further on the PDA.
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1 Gregg Travis : That ' s not so.
2 Larry Sharpsteen : I withdraw my motion.
Brad Griffin : I will yield and withdraw in favor of keener draftsmanship . .
4 Nancy Loncto : Read the letter that the Planning Board sent to Mr. Ronsvalle and the response from the developer.
5 Their response did not meet all 6 requirements . The Planning Board not be recommended to the Town Board at
6 this time.
7 Gregg Travis : I think the motion needs to be as clear as possible . I make a motion :
8 The Planning Board not recommend a PDA as submitted based on the developer' s non compliance to
9 several requirements as specified in our letter of May 14, 2002 .
10 Nancy Loncto : Seconded the motion.
11 Vote : Aye, Lin Davidson
12 Aye, Gregg Travis
13 Aye, Larry Sharpsteen •
14 Aye, Dave Hatfield
15 Aye, Nancy Loncto
16 No : Brad Griffin
17 No : Viola Miller
18 Gregg Travis : Mr.Travis will compose a letter and forward it to the Town Board by May 22 , 2002 with the 2
19 letters attached. (Planning Board ' s & Ronsvalle Reply)
VTina Turek — Ice Cream Stand
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23 Larry Sharpsteen : How does this stand with traffic ?
24 Bud Shattuck : In the beginning of last year the Town lifted the restriction on that site .
25 Richard Platt : The center entrance has been approved by the DOT
26 Lin Davidson : What is the status of the lighting?
27 Tina Turek: There is a light on the sign, also one on the building.
28 Larry Sharpsteen: Rainwater disposal, how is that happening?
29 Tina Turek : There is a ditch along the side
30 Dave Hatfield : I do see that you ' re hooked to the hydrant, is that temporary or will it be put
31 underground?
32 Tina Turek: Eventually we will be hooked up to municipal water. The Health Department has approved
33 for a food service.
34 Nancy Loncto : What do you have for trash disposal ?
35 Tina Turek : We have a Dumpster.
Lin Davidson : Motioned to recommend to the Town Board approval of the Ice Cream stand for a special
permit as presented .
38 Larry Sharpsteen : Seconded motion .
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5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 Lin Davidson : Read the SEQR
2 Brad Griffin : If indeed there has been assessments on that site is there any information that we or the
applicant should be aware of?
4 Bud Shattuck : The applicant is aware of the assessments that have been done on that site, also it ' s public
5 knowledge about the possibility of contamination of a gas spill .
6 Bud Shattuck: The contamination is off part of the property.
7 Lin Davidson : No well on the property.
8 Larry Sharpsteen: Environmental assessments have been done, are the applicants aware of the status of
9 all the assessments?
10 Richard Thaler: They are.
11 Larry Sharpsteen : With the understanding that more than one environmental assessment has been
12 performed on this property, not all of the results of which have been presented to this board have been to
13 the applicant.
14 Gregg Travis : Motion to accept.
15 Larry Sharpsteen : Seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16 Bud Shattuck : The Town Board has deferred this back to the Planning Board for a public hearing to be
17 held on June 24, 2002 .
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19 Frank Rogan - Preliminary Sketch , Collins Road Parcel # 38.- 1 -7. 152
• Mr. Platt : Presented a sketch plan to the Planning Board for a major or minor subdivision.
21 Bud Shattuck : My only concern on that is that Mr. Rogan understood the new private road stipulations
22 and what that means when your talking about putting a private road in the length that he talking about in
23 this proposal.
24 Dave Hatfield : If it ' s 4 parts than it has to be a major subdivision.
25 Richard Platt: They do have the necessary footage for flag lots .
26 Gregg Travis : It ' s clear it ' s a major.
27 Richard Platt : Mr. Rogan plans to meet Town specs .
28 Larry Sharpsteen : With the stipulation that it ' s clear, this is not a private road, never will be one, never
29 be considered for acceptance as a town road. The major reasons for showing 3 separate driveways, 1 is
30 compliance with the provision of the law for flag lots, 2 maybe not everybody will get along.
31 Lin Davidson : Motion to accept the sketch plan for a major subdivision .
32 Larry Sharpsteen : Seconded motion . VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED
33 UNANIMOUSLY.
34 Richard Platt : Mr. Rogan will put in the driveway to town specs .
35 Bud Shattuck: A flag lot is one way to get around. (allowable)
36 Viola Miller: Do we have flag lots in that area?
• Lin Davidson : On Collins Road there are flag lots and shared driveways .
38 Bud Shattuck : There are some preexisting driveways that are there, they are exactly that, preexisting.
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6 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 Viola Miller: Are we allowing private driveways to take care of major subdivisions?
2 Bud Shattuck : If you accept it as it ' s designed, you can .
Larry Sharpsteen : The way I get it is this is a major subdivision of flag lots.
4 Gregg Travis : This is a preliminary sketch plan. When they come back to us then we will apply our
5 major subdivision rules .
6 Brad Griffin : The only way those parcels could legally be conveyed, is to have an owned access.
7 Gregg Travis : When they come back to us for further development, we can have them show driveways .
8 Larry Sharpsteen : We need to clarify the lot lines, 2 contours and also condition of ditch. Parcel C .
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10 Approval of Minutes, 05/13/02 & 06/10/02
11 Brad Griffin : Pg. 4, line 3 , his changed to my, end of sentence to say developer ' s statement to comply.
12 Pg. 4, line 34, should read : ameliorate
13 Pg. 5 formal should read : infornlal
14 Pg. 5 line 36multiply should read : multiple
15 Pg. 5 line 37 oppose should read: opposed
16 Pg. 5 line 38 Davidson changed to Sharpsteen
17 Lin Davidson : Motioned to accept the minutes as amended. Dave Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN
18 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
06/06/02 MINUTES -HELD OFF UNTIL 06/24/02
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22 Pg. 1 , line 32 Stevenson to Travis
23 Pg. 2 , line 37 should read : was that density is the main issue and the developer must comply.
24 Pg. 2 , line 40 scratched only said, Gregg Travis
25 Dave Hatfield motioned to accept the minutes as amended . Brad Griffin seconded. VOTE : ALL IN
26 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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28 Dave Hatfield motioned to adjourn the meeting at 9 : 40PM. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE : ALL IN
29 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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2 Town of Lansing
0 Monday, June 17 , 2002 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
5 (*Denotes present)
6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin
7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson
8 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield
9 * Nancy Loncto
10 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman
11 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer * Doug McEver, Town Councilman
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14 Public Present
15 Richard Meagher 73 Aspen Way Sandy Dhimitri 155 Hillcrest road
16 Paul Costantini 1 Whispering Pines Drive Candis Bailey 56 Triphammer Terrace
17 Phil Skeps 80 Triphammer Terrace Mariano Garcia 3 Stormy View Road
18 George Frantz 604 Cliff Street Barry J. Long 40 Forest Acres Drive
19 Eric Mulivihill WHCU Louise Barr 2791 North Triphammer Road
20 Alexandra Salce WHCU Paul Costantini 1 Whispering Pines Drive
'0 Ronald Parks 125 Triphammer Terrace Doug Firth 26 Aspen Way
Richard Wentworth 232 Hillcrest Road Lisa Farr 31 Aspen Way
23 Jean Wentworth 232 Hillcrest Road Craig Trowbridge 15 Aspen Way
24 Pat McDonough 26 Dandyview Heights Bill Lucas 20 Asbury Road
25 Susan Jaquette 41 Forest Acres Drive Robert Rasmussen 127 Asbury Road
26 Anke Wessels 43 Forest Acres Drive Dennis Osika 25 Dandyview Heights
27 Tom LiVigne 33 Grandview Drive Walter Poland 7 Triphammer Terrace
28 John Jaquette 41 Forest Acres Drive Daniel Signore 153 White Church Road
29 Ronald Ronsvalle 680 Ridge Road Maureen Ronsvalle 680 Ridge Road
30 Dick Thaler 309 N. Tioga Street Christina Turek 2320 Atwater Road
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32 Jason Turek 2320 Atwater Road
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35 GENERAL BUSINESS
36 Gregg Travis reconvened the meeting at 7 :40PM
37
38 Ronsvalle PDA-Review of Statement of Intent to Comply
39 Mr. Travis ' s opening remarks were that of the news media, The Ithaca Journal . In today ' s paper there was an
• article that the board members read that had some inaccuracies. One of the statements read, "town officials want
the project to occur", quoted Mr. Frantz. We want to make it clear, that may be Mr. Frantz ' s opinion but there is
42 no one on this board or any town official that we have heard say, they want this project to occur. Also, it was
43 indicated that perhaps the developer would come back at a later request for another PDA. It ' s clear to us and we
44 believe that this is the one PDA of action for that parcel of land . That ' s all were considering, and not considering
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 any others . Mr. Travis explained the reason we postponed our last meeting was because we only had 4 board
2 members present. We felt it was such an important discussion we would really like to have a full board . Mr.
3 Travis read the additional items that the board felt the developer fell short on.
4 They were :
5
6 1 . Driveways- built to town specifications .
7 The developer' s response was he would build to the construction type, but not to the width.
8
9 2 . Reorienting the buildings to comply with site lines of existing housing.
10 The developer' s response was he thought the orientation of the buildings that was proposed was a good one .
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13 The developer did agree to comply to change the number of units from 48 to 24 .
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15 Gregg Travis : A reminder to all that our decision is not final, we are recommending. The Town Board has the
16 final decisions on whether to accept this PDA or not. However, our responsibility is to give it a fair and thorough
17 investigation/discussion.
18 Gregg Travis : Are there any other items that you feel the developer has not complied with as we had stated in our
19 letter?
20 Viola Miller: If this is approved by the Town Board and this comes back to us, this will take a number of months
to complete. We would be working with Site Plan and there are many things that we will insist on being done .
22 Brad Griffin: I would mention for the record that on the last page of the developers response it refers to Nationally
23 accepted standards for bicycle paths . I don ' t think that particular quark is responsive to our letter.
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25 Gregg Travis : I will also note that the response from the developer did say he would break the ridgeline according
26 to the contours of the property.
27 Brad Griffin: The PDA exists as part of the Town of Lansing Ordinance . The board would have a legal
28 responsibility to deal with that as it stands. It ' s quite obvious from the correspondence that with the 2°d issue, we
29 and the Town Board would have to consider the concept of the PDA It ' s quite clearly not popular in terms of the
30 representation to this board.
31 Lin : I will make a motion that the Planning Board very clearly set forth guidelines that we want to hear responses
32 to . For those large number of those very clear charges that the developer thought they had a better idea or we
33 should rethink our charges to the developer. I would vote a no as far as the Planning Board accepting the proposal
34 as presented by the developer.
35 Larry Sharpsteen : I make a move based on the developer' s response, to the charge of the Planning Board for the
36 request for changes to the initial proposal at this time the Planning Board recommend to the Town Board not to
37 accept the PDA as presented.
38 Nancy Loncto : Seconded the motion.
39 Viola Miller: I think it is worded a little strongly. Our recommendation to the Town Board should not be a yes or
40 a no, but it should be with the conditions we have found undesirable.
• Gregg Travis : We will be specific.
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3 Town of LansingPlanningBoard, June 17, 2002
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2 Brad Griffin: On May 14, 2002 the Chair gave Mr. Ronsvalle a response that you summarize and my recollection
• is I endorsed those at that time and I do now.
4 Dave Hatfield: If we vote no, what' s his next step?
5 Larry Sharpsteen: We hashed out these 6 specific items that were major concerns, we felt those concerns were
6 met. We would be able to make some sort of borderline recommendation to the Town Board to go ahead with the
7 PDA. We set forth a proposal and that proposal was not met, therefore, under those conditions based on what we
8 said that not it was not met.
9 Viola Miller: This motion is saying we simply don ' t want a PDA in that area .
10 Larry Sharpsteen : I did not say that, what I said was under the current conditions, which includes the developers
11 response to the Planning Boards request.
12 Viola Miller: I think it should say, as a result of the responses made by the developer.
13 Larry Sharpsteen : 1: would accept that. •
14 Brad Griffin : I would suggest there may be the possibility consistent with my remarks before, that the board
15 would recommend that the development is approveable on the basis of the points numerated in the boards May
16 146 letter.
17 Larry Sharpsteen: Brad I would be happy to withdraw my motion and let you reword it as you stated.
18 Viola Miller: When we submit our letter to the Town Board we have to let them know what was not met.
19 Larry Sharpsteen: May I may a suggestion to further the wording of your motion to the Town Board based on
20 compliance with our letter to the developer of May 14, 2002 . Under those circumstances we could make a
21 positive recommendation to the Town Board. I would further state the response fromthe developer has not agreed
to all of those conditions.
Gregg Travis : I would like one clear motion to vote on.
24 Richard Platt: Based on the letter from the Planning Board of May 14, 2002 to the developer the Planning Board
25 could approve the PDA based on the developer' s response, he did not agree to those conditions .
26 Lin Davidson: Put the compliance word in there .
27 Larry Sharpsteen : Based on the developer ' s compliance with the Planning Board letter of May 14, 2002 , the
28 Planning Board would be able to recommend approval to the Town Board. The developer currently has not
29 agreed to comply with all the conditions in the letter of May 14, 2002 . Until such time, the Planta -Board can
30 : - - : : - - P : - - . .
31 Larry Sharpsteen: I strike the last sentence of my statement
32 Nancy Loncto: I ' m sorry I feel too strongly that their letter does not meet the requests and stipulates of May 14,
33 2002 .
34 Larry Sharpsteen: With the motion as amended (last sentence) do you think it ' s clear to the Town Board that
35 there ' s more work to be done before the Planning Board should issue a positive recommendation?
36 Bud Shattuck: I think if you had a. developers conference and you gave a set of conditions, and the developer said
37 they would send back a written statement of their intent to comply, the next step for you to either conditionally
38 approval or disapprove the proposed PDA. 706 . 7 . 1
39 Viola Miller: Have they tried to meet it?
40 Lin Davidson: No.
Brad Griffin: What ever the motion is I vote that it be a unanimous feeling that we would want to convey to the
W. Board that those points of May 14, 2002 were still standards for approval of the Board .
43 Viola Miller: It seems to me that we were not interested in having anything go further on the PDA.
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4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 Gregg Travis : That' s not so .
2 Larry Sharpsteen: I withdraw my motion.
Brad Griffin: I will yield and withdraw in favor of greener craftsmanship.
4 Nancy Loncto: Read the letter that the Planning Board sent to Mr. Ronsvalle and the response from the developer.
5 Their response did not meet all 6 requirements. The Planning Board not be recommended to the Town Board at
6 this time.
7 Gregg Travis : I think the motion needs to be as clear as possible. I make a motion :
8 The Planning Board not recommend a PDA as submitted base on the developer ' s non compliance to
9 several requirements as specified in our letter of May 14, 2002 .
10 Nancy Loncto : Seconded the motion.
11 Vote : Aye, Lin Davidson
12 Aye, Gregg Travis
13 Aye, Larry Sharpsteen
14 Aye, Dave Hatfield
15 Aye, Nancy Loncto
16 No : Brad Griffin
17 No : Viola Miller
18 Gregg Travis : Mr.Travis will compose a letter and forward it to the Town Board by May 22, 2002 with the 2
19 letters attached. (Planning Board ' s & Ronsvalle Reply)
0 Tina Turek — Ice Cream Stand
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23 Larry Sharpsteen: How does this stand with traffic?
24 Bud Shattuck: In the beginning of last year the Town lifted the restriction on that site.
25 Richard Platt : The center entrance has been approved by the DOT
26 Lin Davidson : What is the status of the lighting?
27 Tina Turek: There is a light on the sign, also one on the building.
28 Larry Sharpsteen: Rainwater disposal, how is that happening?
29 Tina Turek: There is a ditch along the side
30 Dave Hatfield : I do see that you ' re hooked to the hydrant, is that temporary or will it be put
31 underground?
32 Tina Turek: Eventually we will be hooked up to municipal water. The Health Department has approved
33 for a food service.
34 Nancy Loncto : What do you have for trash disposal ?
35 Tina Turek : We have a Dumpster.
Lin Davidson: Motioned to recommend to the Town Board approval of the Ice Cream stand for a special
_ . permit as presented.
38 Larry Sharpsteen : Seconded motion.
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5 Town of Lanstng Planninz Board. June 17, 2002
1 Lin Davidson : Read the SEQR
Brad Griffin : If indeed there has beenassessments onthat site is there any information that we or the
qp applicant should be aware of?
4 Bud Shattuck: The applicant is aware of the assessments that have been done on that site, also it ' s public
5 knowledge about the possibility of contamination of a gas spill .
6 Bud Shattuck : The contamination is off part of the property.
7 Lin Davidson : No well on the property.
8 Larry Sharpsteen : Environmental assessments have been done, are the applicants aware of the status of
9 all the assessments?
10 Richard Thaler They are .
11 Larry Sharpsteen : With the understanding that more than one environmental assessment has been
12 performed on this property, not all of the results of which have been presented to this board have been to
13 the applicant. '
14 Gregg Travis : Motion to accept.
15 Larry Sharpsteen: Seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16 Bud Shattuck : The Town Board has deferred this back to the Planning Board for a public hearing to be
17 held on June 24, 2002 .
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19 Frank Rogan - Preliminary Sketch, Collins Road Parcel # 38.- 1 -7. 152
• Mr. Platt : Presented a sketch planto the Planning Board for a major or minor subdivision.
21 Bud Shattuck: My only concern on that is that Mr. Rogan understood the new private road stipulations
22 and what that means when your talking about putting a private road in the length that he talking about in
23 this proposal .
24 Dave Hatfield : If it ' s 4 parts than it has to be a major subdivision.
25 Richard Platt : They do have the necessary footage for flag lots .
26 Gregg Travis : It ' s clear it ' s a major.
27 Richard Platt : Mr. Rogan plans to meet Town specs .
28 Larry Sharpsteen: With the stipulation that it ' s clear, this is not a private road, never will be one, never
29 be considered for acceptance as a town road. The major reasons for showing 3 separate driveways, 1 is
30 compliance with the provision of the law for flag lots, 2 maybe not everybody will get along.
31 Lin Davidson : Motion to accept the sketch plan for a major subdivision.
32 Larry Sharpsteen: Seconded motion. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED
33 UNANIMOUSLY.
34 Richard Platt : Mr. Rogan will put in the driveway to town specs .
35 Bud Shattuck : A flag lot is one way to get around. (allowable)
36 Viola Miller: Do we have flag lots in that area?
Lin Davidson: On Collins Road there are flag lots and shared driveways.
38 Bud Shattuck : There are some preexisting driveways that are there, they are exactly that, preexisting.
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6 Town of Lansow Planning Board, June 17, 2002
1 Viola Miller : Are we allowing private driveways to take care of major subdivisions?
2 Bud Shattuck : If you accept it as it ' s designed, you can .
lig Larry Sharpsteen : The way I get it is this is a major subdivision of flag lots .
4 Gregg Travis : This is a preliminary sketch plan. When they come back to us then we will apply our
5 major subdivision rules.
6 Brad Griffin : The only way those parcels could legally be conveyed, is to have an owned access .
7 Gregg Travis : When they come back to us for further development, we can have them show driveways .
8 Larry Sharpsteen : We need to clarify the lot lines, 2 contours and also condition of ditch. Parcel C .
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10 Approval of Minutes, 05/13/02 & 06/10/02
11 Brad Griffin : Pg. 4, line 3 , his changed to my, end of sentence to say developer ' s statement to comply.
12 Pg.4, line 34, should read : ameliorate
13 Pg. 5 formal should read : informal
14 Pg. 5 line 36multiply should read : multiple
15 Pg. 5 line 37 oppose should read : opposed
16 Pg. 5 line 38 Davidson changed to Sharpsteen
17 Lin Davidson : Motioned to accept the minutes as amended. Dave Hatfield seconded. VOTE : ALL IN
18 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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22 Pg. 1 , line 32 Stevenson to Travis
23 Pg. 2 , line 37 should read : was that density is the main issue and the developer must comply.
24 Pg. 2, line 40 scratched only said, Gregg Travis
25 Dave Hatfield motioned to accept the minutes as amended. Brad Griffin seconded . VOTE : ALL IN
26 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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28 Dave Hatfield motioned to adjourn the meeting at 9 : 40PM. Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN
29 FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Town of Lansing
Planning Board Meeting
June 17 , 2002 7 : 30PM
Lansing Town Hall - Board Room
Agenda
• Time: Agenda Topics
7:30 PM Ronsvalle PDA - Review of Statement of Intent to Comply
Hillcrest & Triphammer Terrace, Tax Parcel # 40.4-14. 11
8:30 PM Tina Turek, Special Permit - Ice Cream Stand
9:00PM Approval of Minutes, 5/13102 & 06/06/02
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