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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-01-28 I 1 m . ■ 2 Town of Lansing • 3 Monday, January 28 , 2002 7 : 00 PM PLANNING BOARD 1 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) 6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto . 10 • 11 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 14 Public Present 15 Frank Rogan 16 17 18 GENERAL BUSINESS 19 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 05 PM. 20 Informal Discussion-Frank Rogan-2 Duplex Units, Tax Parcel # P/O 16.- 1 -34, Ridge Road Dick Platt 42 1 explained that Mr. Rogan would like to build two duplex units on the above property on Ridge Road. The property is 2 .278 acres . Dick Platt showed the board members the location and stated that it was in the RA 23 District, and 40,000 s.f. was required per dwelling unit. Gregg Travis asked Mr. Rogan if he was planning one 24 duplex or two single units. Mr. Rogan stated that at this time he would like to build one duplex and a storage barn. 25 Bud Shattuck explained that when Schedule II was redone last year, single family homes in the RA District 26 required only an acre, but two family homes would require two acre lots. Bud Shattuck said that two duplex units 27 could not be put on the property. Larry Sharpsteen said a freestanding barn would acceptable . Mr. Rogan asked if 28 a small bathroom in the workshop/storage building would be ok. 29 Gregg Travis asked if he would be allowed 3 units . Bud Shattuck stated that three units would require 120 ,000 30 s. f. , but the ZBA might grant a variance, since it was an appropriate use for that area, but septic requirements must 31 be met. Larry Sharpsteen said it would also depend on how many bedrooms per unit. Bud Shattuck mentioned the 32 new setback requirements. He also mentioned that public water was available . The group discussed how many s . f. 33 in an acre, a little over 43 ,000 . 34 Larry Sharpsteen suggested that with public water, a variance for a third unit may be possible, but variances are 35 supposed to be very hard to get. If it was 110,000, it would be close, and maybe possible. Viola Miller stated that 36 the setbacks should be met, but some of the existing are very close to the road. Nancy Loncto asked how many 37 bedrooms would be in each unit. Mr. Rogan said they would each have two bedrooms . 38 Dick Platt asked if 40,000 or health dept. meant that the health dept. could allow more . Lin Davidson and Larry 39 Sharpsteen explained that the health dept. could require more area, but not override the town ' s minimum per unit 40 requirement. 41 Mr. Rogan asked for confirmation of 60 ' setback on that road . Lin Davidson said that was right. Viola Miller 42 asked if it was a subdivision. Larry Sharpsteen said no . Bud Shattuck asked if it was subdivided now. Mr. Rogan 43stated that the people who purchased the house on the next lot had subdivided previously after purchasing the 4 property at auction . It is now just a piece of property for sale . Robin Cornell stated it was an approved one lot subdivision. 46 Mr. Rogan thanked the Board members for their time. 47 2-9 2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January Ft 2002- 1 Joe Clare-12 Sunset Drive-Request for Auto Sales At Home -Larry Sharpsteen recalled what we went through 2 when Mr. Secord put a road through there for the research park. The people on Sunset were unhappy about the • 3 additional traffic. They didn ' t want any kind of business over there . He said it was in the B1 zone, but definitely a 4 residential neighborhood in the B1 zone . The ordinance would allow the use, but the neighbors would be upset 5 with a used car lot on Sunset. Bud Shattuck stated that the intent was for two cars only with plates on them. When 6 asked by Town Board if neighbors had been approached, Mr. Clare answered no . Bud said that if we allow the 7 use, we can not restrict number of cars. He also said that two means of egress are required. Viola Miller said she 8 remembered the neighbors being very upset about the new road. 9 All members agreed that the use is allowed in the current ordinance. Bud Shattuck said that site plan review could 10 disallow the use if it didn't conform to the neighborhood. Larry Sharpseen felt that we could restrict him to two 11 cars . Lin Davidson said conserving property value is a consideration in site plan review. Lin Davidson and Larry 12 Sharpsteen agreed it is not the best use of the property. a members discussed the junk car ordinance, which 13 allows one junk car. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the use was not even listed in the proposed ordinance. Lin 14 Davidson said that we are looking at the current ordinance now, which refers to property value, visual quality, and 15 compatibility with adjacent land. 16 Larry Sharpsteen said that we all agree that it is not a proper use, but if Mr. Clare has two vehicles in his yard 17 with for sale signs on them, he is within the law. Bud Shattucksaid we do not have to grant him permission to be a 18 dealer. Mr. Clare probably needs an address to obtain a dealer' s license, to install a required sign. Larry 19 Sharpsteen suggested that would be a ZBA issue . He also said we need to check proposed ordinance to see that 20 the use is included. 21 Robin Cornell said that she would have the changes soon, and explained how they are set up for understanding 22 changes . 23 The members discussed changing the zone for Sunset to R1 . The neighbors brought up many reasons for the street 24 to be zoned residential when the new road was built. �25 Gregg Travis asked if we say no, can he appeal to the ZBA? Larry Sharpsteen stated that if he has two cars with 6 plates , we can ' t stop him, and the State issues the Dealers License. Larry Sharpsteen said the Town Sign 27 Ordinance may prevent him from installing a sign. Viola Miller asked if he had the required parking. Robin 28 Cornell said the sign would not need a permit if it was less than nine s .f. Larry Sharpsteen said that Mr. Clare 29 would be dealing with one person at a time, and parking would not be an issue. 30 Bud Shatuck suggested that a moratorium could be used to stop the use until the ordinance could be changed. 31 Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed that it would not be a good solution. Viola Miller said that Auto Sales at 32 Home does not fit the neighborhood . Section 802 was discussed. It was decided that all of 802 applies. Bud 33 Shattuck mentioned that site plan review was not done for the used car lot next to the Post Office, but should have 34 been done . Larry Sharpsteen stated that in the current ordinance, there are enough questionable issues to deny the 35 use. He also mentioned that Site Plan Review is now the responsibility of the Town Board. 36 Bud Shattuck referred to 802 . 14, which specifically refers to new and used car sales . Larry Sharpsteen mentioned 37 802 . 9 B,C,&D also . Viola Miller felt that everyone agreed that there were plenty of reasons to reject the use. 38 Nancy Loncto said he could do it with no approval from the Town, if it was limited to two cars . 39 Larry Sharpsteen asked Dick Platt what he would do if Mr. Clare came in asking for approval for a sign . Robin 40 Cornell stated that if the sign was less than nine s.f. , he would not need a permit for it. Lin Davidson stated that 41 people should be able to have home businesses in Lansing. Larry Sharpsteen said he could do the same thing in 42 R1 . Viola Miller felt that as soon as a sign went up, the neighbors would start complaining to the Town. 43 Brad Griffin asked what we would do if Mr. Clare brought a lawyer in. Bud Shattuck said we would refer to site 44 plan review. Brad Griffin said the ordinance encourages mixed uses in the district. Brad Griffin said that we have 45 learned of the lack of clarity in the ordinance . Lin Davidson said that the mix has been a problem since the 46 creation of the Research Park. Larry Sharpsteen suggested making Sunset Drive part of the adjoining residential 0-r district, which would be the Sharon Drive area, except for a small strip separating the two . Gregg Travis asked Dick Platt if Mr. Clare was required to come to him for a permit. Dick Platt said he was not. 49 There was a discussion about whether the Town of Lansing issued business permits. It was decided that we do not 50 issue permits for businesses . Robin Cornell stated that in the B1 district, a home business is permitted as a right. 2.9 3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 44' 2002 1 Brad Griffin suggested that we reply to Mr. Clare that if he is applying for a used car dealership as described in 2 the ordinance, that it would require site plan review. If he has two cars with transporter plates, we have no • 3 jurisdiction. Larry Sharpsteen suggested that we inform him that it would not be a proper use under site plan 4 review. 5 Dick latt said he would inform Mr. Clare of the Board members concerns and the procedures if he chooses to 6 proceed with his request. 7 Informal Discussion of Cluster Housing ( Ronsvale, 42:1-15,16.2 ) - The property is just North of Cayuga 8 Landscape. It contains 4.43 acres. Viola Miller stated that it has received many loads of fill in recent years. The 9 fill prevented someone from doing a project before. Larry said the drainage is poor, and any septic would have to 10 be an engineered system. Viola Miller felt that it would be a good site for cluster housing because of the open 11 land behind the site. Larry Sharpsteen said cluster housing would be PDA. Dick Platt said several builders have • 12 been in to discuss multiple housing on the site, representing Mr. Park, the current owner. The plan shows four 13 duplex units. Brad wanted to know who was asking the question. Dick Platt said Dan Signore, was asking for Ron 14 Ronsvale, who is considering purchasing the parcel . 15 Larry Sharpsteen said it would have to be a PDA, or he is limited to 40,000 s . f. per unit. Larry Sharpsteen has a 16 problem with the amount of fill on the site . It could lead to structural problems if not addressed. 17 Everyone agreed that he could apply for a PDA. .Viola Miller said that if this was done only one curb cut would be 18 necessary. Larry Sharpsteen said that it could be arranged differently to be more attractive. Lin Davidson asked if 19 a PDA would get a better reception near Hillcrest. Nancy Loncto said she thought that they were expecting it to 20 happen. Larry Sharpsteen said it would give everyone input into the project. 21 There was a short discussion about the Hillcrest site . 22 Nancy Loncto suggested back yards backing up to each other. Brad Griffin and Larry Sharpsteen felt that the rear 23 of the property would have to be used for septic . Larry Sharpsteen said the septic system would be quite large, but 24 they have the room to do it. Bud Shattuck said that Cayuga Landscape is planting behind the site on their land. up5 Lin Davidson questioned why Lee Dresser and Novalane were on the survey. It was decided that the survey was 26 provided by the current owner. Lin Davidson felt that there was plenty of room for septic systems . . 27 Approval of Minutes of 1/14/02 28 Gregg Travis stated that Page 1 line 33 . . . .Minutes . . . ." the" was misspelled "he" . Page 1 line 43 . . . . 29 Minutes . . . . Viola stated that "boards" lacked an apostrophe. Nancy Loncto motioned to accept the minutes as 30 amended. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 31 Discussion of Don Worsell Variance Request- Brad Griffin asked Dick Platt about Harry Willis ' s advise 32 concerning right of way vs. ownership of at least 20 ' to public road. Dick Platt explained that Mr. Willis stated 33 that the ZBA could grant a variance from the regulations . The basis for this can be found: in Town Law 280a. 34 Dick Platt also mentioned that 280a requires 15 ' , but does allow for local government to grant variances . Larry 35 Sharpsteen stated that he thought a variance from State law had to go to Mr. Stewart in Binghamton. Dick Platt 36 explained that Mr. Stewart only deals with New York State Building Code, not zoning issues. He can only grant 37 variances from the Building Code. We all agreed that we understood previously that no variances could be 38 granted from this requirement. Dick Platt said that George Totman conveyed the same interpretation to him 39 recently, and it had never been done in this Town . 40 Dick Platt stated that there was also the issue of the NYSEG property, which was actually owned by them. Dick 41 Platt also stated that the deed not only allows egress, but actually states that the common owners must share the 42 cost of improvements to the access road. Larry Sharpsteen stated that Mr. Worsell told Mr. Jamison that he had to 43 help pay for improvements to the land. 44 Lin Davidson questioned the idea of giving the audience a copy of the SEQR instead of reading each question 45 aloud. Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed. Larry stated that the audience was not the lead agency. Bud s6 Shattuck stated that the audience is allowed to have a copy. Viola Miller and Lin Davidson agreed that reading the 7 SEQR aloud was the most efficient way to do things. 48 Allen Tuttle Subdivision- 1148 Ridge Road (16.- 1-40. 1 ) - Dick Platt explained that Mr. Tuttle had requested 49 permission to subdivide his property which contains three single family homes on one parcel . He would like to 4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January -1-4; 2001- 1 mortgage the primary residence. The banks will not consider a mortgage on the entire parcel. The property is just 2 North of Cecil ' s on the same side of the road. The total parcel is 1 .047 acres. The proposed subdivision would • 3 leave one house on 0.478 acres, and two homes on the remaining 0 . 569 acres. Neither site would comply with the 4 existing area requirements . The homes were there before zoning, but one was replaced several years ago . 5 Larry Sharpsteen recalled that at one lime the two houses on the North parcel were on one septic system. The 6 survey provided by Mr. Tuttle indicated a separate system for each house. Robin stated that it would meet the 7 frontage requirements, but not the area per dwelling unit requirements . 8 Brad Griffin stated that the Planning Board could not allow illegal lots, so Mr. Tuttle would have to go to the 9 ZBA. Larry Sharpsteen said there might be three septic tanks, but probably only one or two leach fields. He didn 't 10 think the Board of Health would accept the proposal, but John Anderson might approve because it is an existing 11 use . Larry Sharpsteen stated that by allowing the subdivision, we would be creating an illegal lot, which we can ' t 12 do. Lin Davidson stated that the house has almost doubled in size in the past few years. Viola Miller suggested 13 that the ZBA may be able to grant a hardship variance. 14 Gregg Travis asked what would stop Mr. Tuttle from selling one of the parcels . Robin Cornell stated that he 15 could not sell without subdividing, and that subdivisions must be approved by the Town before filing with the 16 County. Larry Sharpsteen stated that even if we didn ' t have a zoning ordinance, the Subdivision Regulations 17 would not allow this subdivision. 18 Hillcrest/N. Triphammer & Triphammer Terrace/Waterwagon/N. Triphammer Road Changes -Dick Platt 19 handed out maps which he had received from the County Highway Dept. showing the changes at 20 Hillcrest/Triphammer and Triphammer Terrace/N. Triphammer/Waterwagon intersections. Brad Griffin produced 21 sketches from previous work the Planning Board had done in the area. . The Board members discussed the changes 22 to be made and decided it would be a substantial improvement. 23 The Board members discussed the land directly across from the proposed Hillcrest intersection, which has 24 recently been purchased by Michaleen ' s Florist, apparently for additional parking. That strip was show as a paper •25 road in previous working maps. Larry Sharpsteen questioned howtl"ie parcel was sold to Michaleen ' s without the 26 knowledge of the Planing Board. Dick Platt stated that it must have been done recently, but before he came here. 27 It was done as a one lot subdivision. Robin Cornell said that the Code Enforcement Officer would have had to 28 approve the one lot subdivision . 29 Lin Davidson stated that the Town should be getting CD ' s from the County with current information so that we 30 can be aware of changes as they happen. Gregg Travis and Lin Davidson said that tax maps are available on the 31 Internet now, but they are read only. Dick Platt stated that if we had that information, it would be much more 32 efficient for us. 33 Viola Miller stated that she would prefer the Meetings be held in the small court room. She said that she could 34 hear much better there. The other members agreed . Bud Shattuck said that if we did not have a large group from 35 the public, it would be feasible to use the smaller room. 36 SEAR Information —Dick Platt handed out copies of "The SEQR Cookbook' and Part 617 . He then explained 37 the first two questions on the Short SEQR Form. He also added that one, two and three family homes are exempt 38 from SEQR. He also explained that the second question would only be answered yes if a permit had to be 39 obtained by another agency. An example would be a curb cut permit on a State highway: A 239 review by the 40 county would not require a yes for this question. Dick Platt stated that Bernie Smeltz, Land Use Trainer for The 41 Department of State had advised him on this matter. 42 Ink Subdivision- Dick Platt provided Board members with a copy of the 239 Review from the County Planning 43 Dept. for the Ink subdivision. A letter from Mr. Burke ' s lawyer was attached . It provided a copy of the paragraph 44 in the deed confirming legal access across NYSEG land to the land Mr. Burke is retaining. 45 239 Information- Dick Platt distributed copies of information regarding 239 Reviews which he had obtained 46 from the County Planning Department. Several members noted that the new Planning Commissioner is Mr. Marx . 017 Dick Platt stated that the 239 review is only required A f backed up by a resolution by the County. A copy of that 48 resolution should be on file with the County. Gregg Travis asked that Dick Platt provide a copy of all information 49 to Dave Hatfield , who was not present. Bud Shattuck stated that a 239 was not done for the Ronsvale project on 50 Triphammer. He had talked to the County, and they said some Towns never do 239s, others do them sometimes, . 7/6 5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January -I-d: 2001- 1 and others do them all of the time . Bud Shattuck thought that after a year, a party could not come back on the 2 town for failure to complete a 239 . • 3 Public Utility letter- Dick Platt distributed copies of the letter from Harry Willis to Brad Griffin regarding Public 4 Utilities. 5 Town Board Report- Larry Sharpsteen thanked Robin Cornell and Dick Platt for the copies of the Town Board 6 Report. He said they would be very helpful, and would keep them informed about what is happening in the Town. 7 The other members agreed that the information was very useful . The members discussed maps, which had been 8 used previously, and wondered if they would be available. 9 Nominating Committee Report- Brad Griffin reported that the four existing officers were willing to stand for 10 reelection. Nominations will be as follows : Gregg Travis, Chairman, Lin Davidson, Vice Chairman, Larry 11 Sharpsteen, Secretary, Viola Miller, Treasurer. Brad Griffin stated that the bylaws state that the election of 12 officers be done at the first meeting in February. 13 Town Board Meetings- Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Board would be holding two meetings per month. 14 The next meeting will be next Wednesday, February 6 . The topic will be water district consolidation. 15 Maps- The Board members said they would like the most current aerial photos for reference . Dick Platt said he 16 would try to obtain them. 17 Larry Sharpsteen motioned to adjourn at 9;35 PM. En Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION 18 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 19 20 Submitted by Dick Platt 21 22 113 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 . • co sr/.r"` v em'i° `I . ., r- no 2 Town of Lansing 0 Monday, January 28 , 2002 7 : 00 PM PLANNING BOARD 1. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) 6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto 10 11 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 14 Public Present 15 Frank Rogan 16 17 18 GENERAL BUSINESS 19 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 05 PM . 20 Informal Discussion-Frank Rogan-2 Duplex Units, Tax Parcel # P/O 16.- 1 -34, Ridge Road Dick Platt 21 explained that Mr. Rogan would like to build two duplex units on the above property on Ridge Road. The property is 2 .278 acres . Dick Platt showed the board members the location and stated that it was in the RA District, and 40,000 s.f. was required per dwelling unit. Gregg Travis asked Mr. Rogan if he was planning one 24 duplex or two single units . Mr. Rogan stated that at this time he would like to build one duplex and a storage barn . 25 Bud Shattuck explained that when Schedule II was redone last year, single family homes in the RA District 26 required only an acre, but two family homes would require two acre lots . Bud Shattuck said that two duplex units 27 could not be put on the property. Larry Sharpsteen said a freestanding barn would acceptable. Mr. Rogan asked if 28 a small bathroom in the workshop/storage building would be ok. ii 29 Gregg Travis asked if he would be allowed 3 units . Bud Shattuck stated that three units would require 120 ,000 30 s . f. , but the ZBA might grant a variance, since it was an appropriate use for that area, but septic requirements must 31 be met. Larry Sharpsteen said it would also depend on how many bedrooms per unit. Bud Shattuck mentioned the 32 new setback requirements . He also mentioned that public water was available . The group discussed how many s . f. 33 in an acre, a little over 43 ,000 . 34 Larry Sharpsteen suggested that with public water, a variance for a third unit may be possible, but variances are 35 supposed to be very hard to get. If it was 110 ,000, it would be close, and maybe possible . Viola Miller stated that 36 the setbacks should be met, but some of the existing are very close to the road. Nancy Loncto asked how many 37 bedrooms would be in each unit. Mr. Rogan said they would each have two bedrooms . 38 Dick Platt asked if 40,000 or health dept. meant that the health dept. could allow more. Lin Davidson and Larry 39 Sharpsteen explained that the health dept. could require more area, but not override the town ' s minimum per unit 40 requirement. 41 Mr. Rogan asked for confirmation of 60 ' setback on that road. Lin Davidson said that was right. Viola Miller 42 asked if it was a subdivision . Larry Sharpsteen said no . Bud Shattuck asked if it was subdivided now. Mr. Rogan 43 stated that the people who purchased the house on the next lot had subdivided previously after purchasing the 44 property at auction. It is now just a piece of property for sale. Robin Cornell stated. it was an approved one lot . subdivision . 46 Mr. Rogan thanked the Board members for their time . 47 4 , 2 Town of Lansink Planning Board, January 28, 2002 ii 1 Joe Clare-12 Sunset Drive-Request for Auto Sales At Home —Larry Sharpsteen recalled what we went through 2 when Mr. Secord put a road through there for the research park. The people on Sunset were unhappy about the 0 additional traffic . They didn ' t want any kind of business over there. He said it was' in the B1 zone, but definitely a residential neighborhood in the B1 zone . The ordinance would allow the use, but the neighbors would be upset 5 with a used car lot on Sunset. Bud Shattuck stated that the intent was for two cars ,only with plates on them. When 6 asked by Town Board if neighbors had been approached, Mr. Clare answered no . 'Bud said that if we allow the 7 use, we can not restrict number of cars. He also said that two means of egress are required''. Viola Miller said she 8 remembered the neighbors being very upset about the new road. 9 All members agreed that the use is allowed in the current ordinance . Bud Shattuckk said that site plan review could 10 disallow the use if it didn ' t conform to the neighborhood. Larry Sharpseen felt that we could restrict him to two 11 cars. Lin Davidson said conserving property value is a consideration in site plan review. Lin Davidson and Larry 12 Sharpsteen agreed it is not the best use of the property. The members discussed the junk car ordinance, which 13 allows one junk car. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the use was not even listed in the proposed ordinance . Lin 14 Davidson said that we are looking at the current ordinance now, which refers to property value, visual quality, and 15 compatibility with adjacent land. 16 Larry Sharpsteen said that we all agree that it is not a proper use, but if Mr. Clare has two vehicles in his yard 17 with for sale signs on them, he is within the law. Bud Shattucksaid we do not have to grant him permission to be a 18 dealer. Mr. Clare probably needs an address to obtain a dealer' s license, to install a required sign . Larry 19 Sharpsteen suggested that would be a ZBA issue. He also said we need to check proposedi ordinance to see that 20 the use is included. 21 Robin Cornell said that she would have the changes soon, and explained how they are set up for understanding 22 changes . 23 The members discussed changing the zone for Sunset to R1 . The neighbors brought up many reasons for the street 24 to be zoned residential when the new road was built. 4 Gregg Travis asked if we say no, can he appeal to the ZBA? Larry Sharpsteen stated that if he has two cars with plates, we can ' t stop him, and the State issues the Dealers License . Larry Sharpsteen said the Town Sign 27 Ordinance may prevent him from installing a sign. Viola Miller asked if he had the required parking. Robin 28 Cornell said the sign would not need a permit if it was less than nine s . f. Larry Shdrpsteen said that Mr. Clare 29 would be dealing with one person at a time, and parking would not be an issue . 30 Bud Shatuck suggested that a moratorium could be used to stop the use until the ofdinance could be changed. 31 Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed that it would not be a good solution. Viola Miller said that Auto Sales at 32 Home does not fit the neighborhood. Section 802 was discussed. It was decided that all of 802 applies. Bud 33 Shattuck mentioned that site plan review was not done for the used car lot next to the Post Office, but should have 34 been done . Larry Sharpsteen stated that in the current ordinance, there are enough questionable issues to deny the 35 use . He also mentioned that Site Plan Review is now the responsibility of the Town Board. 36 Bud Shattuck referred to 802 . 14, which specifically refers to new and used car sales . Larry Sharpsteen mentioned 37 802 .9 B ,C,&D also . Viola Miller felt that everyone agreed that there were plenty of reasons to reject the use. 38 Nancy Loncto said he could do it with no approval from the Town, if it was limited to two cars . 39 Larry Sharpsteen asked Dick Platt what he would do if Mr. Clare came in asking for approval for a sign. Robin 40 Cornell stated that if the sign was less than nine s .f. , he would not need a permit for it. Lin Davidson stated that 41 people should be able to have home businesses in Lansing. Larry Sharpsteen said he could do the same thing in 42 R1 . Viola Miller felt that as soon as a sign went up, the neighbors would start complaining to the Town. 43 Brad Griffin asked what we would do if Mr. Clare brought a lawyer in. Bud Shattuck said we would refer to site 44 plan review. Brad Griffin said the ordinance encourages mixed uses in the district. Brad Griffin said that we have 45 learned of the lack of clarity in the ordinance . Lin Davidson said that the mix has been a problem since the 46 creation of the Research Park. Larry Sharpsteen suggested making Sunset Drive part of the adjoining residential district, which would be the Sharon Drive area, except for a small strip separating the two . Gregg Travis asked Dick Platt if Mr. Clare was required to come to him for a permit. Dick Platt said he was not. 49 There was a discussion about whether the Town of Lansing issued business permits . It was decided that we do not 50 issue permits for businesses . Robin Cornell stated that in the B1 district, a home business is permitted as a right. 3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 28, 2002 1 Brad Griffin suggested that we reply to Mr. Clare that if he is applying for a used car dealership as described in 2 the ordinance, that it would require site plan review. If he has two cars with transporter plates, we have no 0 jurisdiction . Larry Sharpsteen suggested that we inform him that it would not be a proper use under site plan review. 5 Dick latt said he would inform Mr. Clare of the Board members concerns and the procedures if he chooses to 6 proceed with his request. 7 Informal Discussion of Cluster Housing ( Ronsvale, 42.- 1 -15, 16.2 ) - The property is just North of Cayuga 8 Landscape. It contains 4 .43 acres. Viola Miller stated that it has received many loads of fill in recent years . The 9 fill prevented someone from doing a project before . Larry said the drainage is poor, and any septic would have to 10 be an engineered system. Viola Miller felt that it would be a good site for cluster housing because of the open 11 land behind the site . Larry Sharpsteen said cluster housing would be PDA. Dick Platt said ! several builders have 12 been in to discuss multiple housing on the site, representing Mr. Park, the current owner. the plan shows four 13 duplex units . Brad wanted to know who was asking the question . Dick Platt said an Signore, was asking for Ron 14 Ronsvale, who is considering purchasing the parcel . 15 Larry Sharpsteen said it would have to be a PDA, or he is limited to 40,000 s .f. per unit. Larry Sharpsteen has a 16 problem with the amount of fill on the site . It could lead to structural problems if not addressed. 11 17 Everyone agreed that he could apply for a PDA. .Viola Miller said that if this was done only one curb cut would be 18 necessary. Larry Sharpsteen said that it could be arranged differently to be more attractive. Lin Davidson asked if 19 a PDA would get a better reception near Hillcrest. Nancy Loncto said she thought that they were expecting it to 20 happen. Larry Sharpsteen said it would give everyone input into the project. 21 There was a short discussion about the Hillcrest site . 22 Nancy Loncto suggested back yards backing up to each other. Brad Griffin and Larry Sharpsteen felt that the rear 23 of the property would have to be used for septic . Larry Sharpsteen said the septic system would be quite large, but 4 they have the room to do it. Bud Shattuck said that Cayuga Landscape is planting behind the site on their land . Lin Davidson questioned why Lee Dresser and Novalane were on the survey. It was decided that the survey was 26 provided by the current owner. Lin Davidson felt that there was plenty of room for septic systems . . 27 Approval of Minutes of 1/14/02 28 Gregg Travis stated that Page 1 line 33 . . . .Minutes . . . . " the" was misspelled "he" . Pi age 1 line 43 . . . . 29 Minutes . . . .Viola stated that "boards" lacked an apostrophe . Nancy Loncto motioned to accept the minutes as 30 amended. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 31 Discussion of Don Worsell Variance Request- Brad Griffin asked Dick Platt about Harry Willis ' s advise 32 concerning right of way vs . ownership of at least 20 ' to public road. Dick Platt explained that Mr. Willis stated 33 that the ZBA could grant a variance from the regulations . The basis for this can be found in Town Law 280a. 34 Dick Platt also mentioned that 280a requires 15 ' , but does allow for local government to grant variances . Larry 35 Sharpsteen stated that he thought a variance from State law had to go to Mr. Stewart in Binghamton . Dick Platt 36 explained that Mr. Stewart only deals with New York State Building Code, not zoning issues . He can only grant 37 variances from the Building Code . We all agreed that we understood previously that no variances could be 38 granted from this requirement. Dick Platt said that George Totman conveyed the same interpretation to him 39 recently, and it had never been done in this Town. 40 Dick Platt stated that there was also the issue of the NYSEG property, which was actually owned by them. Dick 41 Platt also stated that the deed not only allows egress, but actually states that the common owners must share the 42 cost of improvements to the access road. Larry Sharpsteen stated that Mr. Worsell ,' told Mr. Jamison that he had to 43 help pay for improvements to the land. 44 Lin Davidson questioned the idea of giving the audience a copy of the SEQR instead of reading each question 45 aloud. Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed. Larry stated that the audience was not the lead agency. Bud 0 Shattuck stated that the audience is allowed to have a copy. Viola Miller and Lin iavidson agreed that reading the SEQR aloud was the most efficient way to do things . 48 Allen Tuttle Subdivision- 1148 Ridge Road (16.4-40. 1 ) - Dick Platt explained that Mr. Tuttle had requested 49 permission to subdivide his property which contains three single family homes on "one parcel . He would like to , 4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 28, 2002 1 mortgage the primary residence . The banks will not consider a mortgage on the entire parcel . The property is just 2 North of Cecil ' s on the same side of the road. The total parcel is 1 . 047 acres . The proposed subdivision would Sleave one house on 0 .478 acres, and two homes on the remaining 0 . 569 acres . Neither siteo would comply with the existing area requirements . The homes were there before zoning, but one was replaced several years ago. 5 Larry Sharpsteen recalled that at one time the two houses on the North parcel were on one septic system. The 6 survey provided by Mr. Tuttle indicated a separate system for each house . Robin stated that it would meet the il 7 frontage requirements, but not the area per dwelling unit requirements . 8 Brad Griffin stated that the Planning Board could not allow illegal lots, so Mr. Tuttle would have to go to the 9 ZBA. Larry Sharpsteen said there might be three septic tanks, but probably only one or two leach fields . He didn ' t 10 think the Board of Health would accept the proposal, but John Anderson might approve because it is an existing 11 use . Larry Sharpsteen stated that by allowing the subdivision, we would be creatin''g an illegal lot, which we can ' t 12 do. Lin Davidson stated that the house has almost doubled in size in the past few years . Viola Miller suggested 13 that the ZBA may be able to grant a hardship variance. 14 Gregg Travis asked what would stop Mr. Tuttle from selling one of the parcels . Robin Cornell stated that he 15 could not sell without subdividing, and that subdivisions must be approved by the Town before filing with the 16 County. Larry Sharpsteen stated that even if we didn ' t have a zoning ordinance, the Subdivision Regulations 17 would not allow this subdivision. 18 Hillcrest/N. Triphammer & Triphammer Terrace/Waterwagon/N. Triphammer Road Changes -Dick Platt 19 handed out maps which he had received from the County Highway Dept. showing the changes at 20 Hillcrest/Triphammer and Triphammer Terrace/N. Triphammer/Waterwagon intersections . Brad Griffin produced 21 sketches from previous work the Planning Board had done in the area. . The Board members discussed the changes 22 to be made and decided it would be a substantial improvement. 23 The Board members discussed the land directly across from the proposed Hillcrest intersection, which has 24 recently been purchased by Michaleen ' s Florist, apparently for additional parking.i! That strip was show as a paper 0 road in previous working maps . Larry Sharpsteen questioned how he parcel was sold to Michaleen ' s without the knowledge of the Planing Board. Dick Platt stated that it must have been done recently, but before he came here. 27 It was done as a one lot subdivision. Robin Cornell said that the Code Enforcement Officer would have had to 28 approve the one lot subdivision. 29 Lin Davidson stated that the Town should be getting CD ' s from the County with current information so that we 30 can be aware of changes as they happen. Gregg Travis and Lin Davidson said that tax maps are available on the 31 Internet now, but they are read only. Dick Platt stated that if we had that information, it would be much more 32 efficient for us. 33 Viola Miller stated that she wouldrefer the Meetings ngs be held in the small court room. She said that she could 34 hear much better there . The other members agreed. Bud Shattuck said that if we did not have a large group from il 35 the public, it would be feasible to use the smaller room. 36 SEAR Information —Dick Platt handed out copies of "The SEQR Cookbook' and Part 617 . He then explained 37 the first two questions on the Short SEQR Form. He also added that one, two and three family homes are exempt 38 from SEQR. He also explained that the second question would only be answered yes if a permit had to be 39 obtained by another agency. An example would be a curb cut permit on a State highway. A 239 review by the 40 county would not require a yes for this question. Dick Platt stated that Bernie Smeltz, Land Use Trainer for The 41 Department of State had advised him on this matter. 42 Ink Subdivision- Dick Platt provided Board members with a copy of the 239 Review from the County Planning 43 Dept. for the Ink subdivision. A letter from Mr. Burke ' s lawyer was attached. It provided a copy of the paragraph 44 in the deed confirming legal access across NYSEG land to the land Mr. Burke is retaining. 45 239 Information- Dick Platt distributed copies of information regarding 239 Reviews which he had obtained 44resfrom the County Planning Department. Several members noted that the new Planning Commissioner is Mr. Marx. Dick Platt stated that the 239 review is only required if backed up by a resolution ly the County. A copy of that 4 olution should be on file with the County. Gregg Travis asked that Dick Platt provide a copy of all information 49 to Dave Hatfield , who was not present. Bud Shattuck stated that a 239 was not done for the Ronsvale project on 50 Triphammer. He had talked to the County, and they said some Towns never do 239s, others do them sometimes, 4 Y' 5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 28, 2002 II 1 and others do them all of the time . Bud Shattuck thought that after a year, a party could not come back on the 2 town for failure to complete a 239 . 4, Public Utility letter- Dick Platt distributed copies of the letter from Harry Willis to Brad Griffin regarding Public Utilities . 5 Town Board Report- Larry Sharpsteen thanked Robin Cornell and Dick Platt forthe copies of the Town Board 6 Report. He said they would be very helpful, and would keep them informed about what is happening in the Town. 7 The other members agreed that the information was very useful . The members discussed maps, which had been 8 used previously, and wondered if they would be available. 9 Nominating Committee Report- Brad Griffin reported that the four existing officers were willing to stand for 10 reelection . Nominations will be as follows : Gregg Travis, Chairman, Lin Davidson, Vice Chairman, Larry 11 Sharpsteen, Secretary, Viola Miller, Treasurer. Brad Griffin stated that the bylaws state that the election of 12 officers be done at the first meeting in February. 13 Town Board Meetings- Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Board would be holding two meetings per month. 14 The next meeting will be next Wednesday, February 6 . The topic will be water district consolidation . 15 Maps- The Board members said they would like the most current aerial photos for reference . Dick Platt said he 16 would try to obtain them. il 17 Larry Sharpsteen motioned to adjourn at 9; 35 PM. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION 18 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 19 20 Submitted by Dick Platt { 21 12 41, ‘ , 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 • 31 32 33 . 34 • 1 m • Town of Lansing Monday, January 28 , 2002 7 : 00 PM PLANNING BOARD' PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (*Denotes present) 6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto . 10 11 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * Richard Platt, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 14 Public Present 15 Frank Rogan 16 17 18 GENERAL BUSINESS 19 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 05 PM. 20Informal Discussion-Frank Rogan-2 Duplex Units, Tax Parcel # P/O 16.4-34, Ridge Road Dick Platt diexplained that Mr. Rogan would like to build two duplex units on the above property on Ridge Road. The property is 2 .278 acres . Dick Platt showed the board members the location and stated that it was in the RA 23 District, and 40,000 s . f. was required per dwelling unit. Gregg Travis asked Mr. Rogan if he was planning one 24 duplex or two single units . Mr. Rogan stated that at this time he would like to build one duplex and a storage barn. 25 Bud Shattuck explained that when Schedule II was redone last year, single family homes in the RA District 26 required only an acre, but two family homes would require two acre lots. Bud Shattuck said that two duplex units 27 could not be put on the property. Larry Sharpsteen said a freestanding barn would acceptable . Mr. Rogan asked if 28 a small bathroom in the workshop/storage building would be ok. 29 Gregg Travis asked if he would be allowed 3 units . Bud Shattuck stated that three units would require 120,000 30 s . f. , but the ZBA might grant a variance, since it was an appropriate use for that area, but septic requirements must 31 be met. Larry Sharpsteen said it would also depend on how many bedrooms per unit. Bud Shattuck mentioned the 32 new setback requirements . He also mentioned that public water was available . The group discussed how many s . f. 33 in an acre, a little over 43 ,000. 34 Larry Sharpsteen suggested that with public water, a variance for a third unit may be possible, but variances are 35 supposed to be very hard to get. If it was 110,000, it would be close, and maybe possible. Viola Miller stated that 36 the setbacks should be met, but some of the existing are very close to the road . Nancy Loncto asked how many 37 bedrooms would be in each unit. Mr. Rogan said they would each have two bedrooms . 38 Dick Platt asked if 40,000 or health dept. meant that the health dept. could allow more. En Davidson and Larry 39 Sharpsteen explained that the health dept. could require more area, but not override the town ' s minimum per unit 40 requirement. 41 Mr. Rogan asked for confirmation of 60 ' setback on that road. Lin Davidson said that was right. Viola Miller 42 asked if it was a subdivision . Larry Sharpsteen said no . Bud Shattuck asked if it was subdivided now. Mr. Rogan 43stated that the people who purchased the house on the next lot had subdivided previously after purchasing the di property at auction. It is now just a piece of property for sale. Robin Cornell stated it was an approved one lot subdivision. 46 Mr. Rogan thanked the Board members for their time . 47 . Zb 2 Town of Lansing Planning Board. January ht 2001- 1 Joe Clare-12 Sunset Drive-Request for Auto Sales At Home -Larry Sharpsteen recalled what we went through 2 when Mr. Secord put a road through there for the research park. The people on Sunset were unhappy about the • additional traffic . They didn' t want any kind of business over there . He said it was in the B1 zone, but definitely a 4 residential neighborhood in the B1 zone. The ordinance would allow the use, but the neighbors would be upset 5 with a used car lot on Sunset. Bud Shattuck stated that the intent was for two cars only with plates on them. When 6 asked by Town Board if neighbors had been approached, Mr. Clare answered no. Bud said that if we allow the 7 use, we can not restrict number of cars. He also said that two means of egress are 'required. Viola Miller said she 8 remembered the neighbors being very upset about the new road. 9 All members agreed that the use is allowed in the current ordinance. Bud Shattuck said that site plan review could 10 disallow the use if it didn 't conform to the neighborhood. Larry Sharpseen felt that we could restrict him to two 11 cars . Lin Davidson said conserving property value is a consideration in site plan review. Lin Davidson and Larry 12 Sharpsteen agreed it is not the best use of the property. The members discussed the junk car ordinance, which • 13 allows one junk car. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the use was not even listed in the proposed ordinance. Lin 14 Davidson said that we are looking at the current ordinance now, which refers to property value, visual quality, and 15 compatibility with adjacent land. 16 Larry Sharpsteen said that we all agree that it is not a proper use, but if Mr. Clare has two vehicles in his yard 17 with for sale signs on them, he is within the law. Bud Shattucksaid we do not have to grant him permission to be a 18 dealer. Mr. Clare probably needs an address to obtain a dealer' s license, to install 'a required sign. Larry 19 Sharpsteen suggested that would be a ZBA issue . He also said we need to check proposed ordinance to see that 20 the use is included. 21 Robin Cornell said that she would have the changes soon, and explained how they are set up for understanding 22 changes. 23 The members discussed changing the zone for Sunset to R1 . The neighbors brought up many reasons for the street 24 to be zoned residential when the new road was built. 0 Gregg Travis asked if we say no, can he appeal to the ZBA? Larry Sharpsteen stated that if he has two cars with plates, we can ' t stop him, and the State issues the Dealers License. Larry Sharpsteen said the Town Sign 27 Ordinance may prevent him from installing a sign. Viola Miller asked if he had the required parking. Robin 28 Cornell said the sign would not need a permit if it was less than nine s . f. Larry Sharpsteen said that Mr. Clare 29 would be dealing with one person at a time, and parking would not be an issue . 30 Bud Shatuck suggested that a moratorium could be used to stop the use until the ordinance could be changed. 31 Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed that it would not be a good solution. Viola Miller said that Auto Sales at 32 Home does not fit the neighborhood . Section 802 was discussed. It was decided that all of 802 applies . Bud 33 Shattuck mentioned that site plan review was not done for the used car lot next to the Post Office, but should have 34 been done. Larry Sharpsteen stated that in the current ordinance, there are enough questionable issues to deny the 35 use . He also mentioned that Site Plan Review is now the responsibility of the Town Board. 36 Bud Shattuck referred to 802 . 14, which specifically refers to new and used car sales . Larry Sharpsteen mentioned 37 802 . 9 B,C,&D also. Viola Miller felt that everyone agreed that there were plenty of reasons to reject the use . 38 Nancy Loncto said he could do it with no approval from the Town, if it was limited to two cars . 39 Larry Sharpsteen asked Dick Platt what he would do if Mr. Clare came in asking for approval for a sign. Robin 40 Cornell stated that if the sign was less than nine s .f. , he would not need a permit for it. Lin Davidson stated that 41 people should be able to have home businesses in Lansing. Larry Sharpsteen said , he could do the same thing in 42 R1 . Viola Miller felt that as soon as a sign went up, the neighbors would start complaining to the Town. 43 Brad Griffin asked what we would do if Mr. Clare brought a lawyer in. Bud Shattuck said we would refer to site 44 plan review. Brad Griffin said the ordinance encourages mixed uses in the district. Brad Griffin said that we have 45 learned of the lack of clarity in the ordinance . Lin Davidson said that the mix has been a problem since the 46 creation of the Research Park. Larry Sharpsteen suggested making Sunset Drive part of the adjoining residential 08 district, which would be the Sharon Drive area, except for a small strip separating the two . Gregg Travis asked Dick Platt if Mr. Clare was required to come to him for a per "mit. Dick Platt said he was not. 49 There was a discussion about whether the Town of Lansing issued business permits . It was decided that we do not 50 issue permits for businesses . Robin Cornell stated that in the B1 district, a home business is permitted as a right. 3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January It 200- 1 Brad Griffin suggested that we reply to Mr. Clare that if he is applying for a used ear dealership as described in 2 the ordinance, that it would require site plan review. If he has two cars with transporter plates, we have no 411 jurisdiction. Larry Sharpsteen suggested that we inform him that it would not be a proper use under site plan review. 5 Dick latt said he would inform Mr. Clare of the Board members concerns and the procedures if he chooses to 6 proceed with his request. 7 Informal Discussion of Cluster Housing ( Ronsvale, 42.-1-15,16.2 ) — The property is just North of Cayuga 8 Landscape . It contains 4 .43 acres. Viola Miller stated that it has received many loads of fill in recent years. The 9 fill prevented someone from doing a project before. Larry said the drainage is poor, and any septic would have to 10 be an engineered system. Viola Miller felt that it would be a good site for cluster housing because of the open 11 land behind the site . Larry Sharpsteen said cluster housing would be PDA. Dick Platt said several builders have 12 been in to discuss multiple housing on the site, representing Mr. Park, the current owner. The plan shows four 13 duplex units . Brad wanted to know who was asking the question. Dick Platt said an Signore, was asking for Ron 14 Ronsvale, who is considering purchasing the parcel . 15 Larry Sharpsteen said it would have to be a PDA, or he is limited to 40,000 s . f. per unit. Larry Sharpsteen has a 16 problem with the amount of fill on the site. It could lead to structural problems if not addressed. 17 Everyone agreed that he could apply for a PDA. .Viola Miller said that if this was done only one curb cut would be 18 necessary. Larry Sharpsteen said that it could be arranged differently to be more attractive. Lin Davidson asked if 19 a PDA would get a better reception near Hillcrest. Nancy Loncto said she thought that they were expecting it to 20 happen. Larry Sharpsteen said it would give everyone input into the project. 21 There was a short discussion about the Hillcrest site. 22 Nancy Loncto suggested back yards backing up to each other. Brad Griffin and Larry Sharpsteen felt that the rear 23of the property would have to be used for septic . Larry Sharpsteen said the septic system would be quite large, but • they have the room to do it. Bud Shattuck said that Cayuga Landscape is planting behind the site on their land . Lin Davidson questioned why Lee Dresser and Novalane were on the survey. It was decided that the survey was 26 provided by the current owner. Lin Davidson felt that there was plenty of room for septic systems . . 27 Approval of Minutes of 1 /14/02 28 Gregg Travis stated that Page 1 line 33 . . . .Minutes . . . ." the" was misspelled "he" Page 1 line 43 . . . . 29 Minutes . . . .Viola stated that "boards" lacked an apostrophe. Nancy Loncto motioned to accept the minutes as 30 amended . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 31 Discussion of Don Worsell Variance Request- Brad Griffin asked Dick Platt about Harry Willis ' s advise 32 concerning right of way vs. ownership of at least 20 ' to public road. Dick Platt explained; that Mr. Willis stated 33 that the ZBA could grant a variance from the regulations . The basis for this can be found in Town Law 280a. 34 Dick Platt also mentioned that 280a requires 15 ' , but does allow for local government to grant variances. Larry 35 Sharpsteen stated that he thought a variance from State law had to go to Mr. Stewart in Binghamton. Dick Platt 36 explained that Mr. Stewart only deals with New York State Building Code, not zoning issues. He can only grant 37 variances from the Building Code . We all agreed that we understood previously that no variances could be 38 granted from this requirement. Dick Platt said that George Totman conveyed the same interpretation to him 39 recently, and it had never been done in this Town. 40 Dick Platt stated that there was also the issue of the NYSEG property, which was, actually owned by them. Dick 41 Platt also stated that the deed not only allows egress, but actually states that the common owners must share the 42 cost of improvements to the access road . Larry Sharpsteen stated that Mr. Worsell told Mr. Jamison that he had to 43 help pay for improvements to the land. 44 Lin Davidson questioned the idea of giving the audience a copy of the SEQR instead of reading each question 45 aloud. Viola Miller and Larry Sharpsteen agreed. Larry stated that the audience was not the lead agency. Bud ipShattuck stated that the audience is allowed to have a copy . Viola Miller and Lin Davidson agreed that reading the SEQR aloud was the most efficient way to do things . 48 Allen Tuttle Subdivision-1148 Ridge Road (16.- 1 -40. 1 ) - Dick Platt explained that Mr. Tuttle had requested 49 permission to subdivide his property which contains three single family homes on one parcel . He would like to 3 . v% 4 Town of Lansing Planning Board. January F4: 2001- 1 mortgage the primary residence. The banks will not consider a mortgage on the entire parcel . The property is just 2 North of Cecil ' s on the same side of the road. The total parcel is 1 .047 acres. The proposed subdivision would IRleave one house on 0 .478 acres, and two homes on the remaining 0 . 569 acres . Neither site would comply with the existing area requirements. The homes were there before zoning, but one was replaced several years ago . 5 Larry Sharpsteen recalled that at one time the two houses on the North parcel were on one septic system. The 6 survey provided by Mr. Tuttle indicated a separate system for each house. Robin stated that it would meet the 7 frontage requirements, but not the area per dwelling unit requirements. 8 Brad Griffin stated that the Planning Board could not allow illegal lots, so Mr. Tuttle would have to go to the 9 ZBA. Larry Sharpsteen said there might be three septic tanks, but probably only one or two leach fields. He didn' t 10 think the Board of Health would accept the proposal, but John Anderson might approve because it is an existing 11 use. Larry Sharpsteen stated that by allowing the subdivision, we would be creating an illegal lot, which we can ' t • 12 do. Lin Davidson stated that the house has almost doubled in size in the past few years. Viola Miller suggested 13 that the ZBA may be able to grant a hardship variance. 14 Gregg Travis asked what would stop Mr. Tuttle from selling one of the parcels. Robin Cornell stated that he 15 could not sell without subdividing, and that subdivisions must be approved by the Town before filing with the 16 County. Larry Sharpsteen stated that even if we didn' t have a zoning ordinance, the Subdivision Regulations 17 would not allow this subdivision. 18 Hillcrest/N. Triphammer & Triphammer Terrace/Waterwagon/N. Triphammer Road Changes -Dick Platt 19 handed out maps which he had received from the County Highway Dept. showing the changes at 20 Hillcrest/Triphammer and Triphammer Terrace/N. Triphammer/Waterwagon intersections. Brad Griffin produced 21 sketches from previous work the Planning Board had done in the area. . The Board members discussed the changes 22 to be made and decided it would be a substantial improvement. 23 The Board members discussed the land directly across from the proposed Hillcrest intersection, which has 24 recently been purchased by Michaleen ' s Florist, apparently for additional parking. That strip was show as a paper f6road in previous working maps. Larry Sharpsteen questioned how he parcel was sold to Michaleen ' s without the knowledge of the Planing Board. Dick Platt stated that it must have been done recently, but before he came here . 27 It was done as a one lot subdivision . Robin Cornell said that the Code Enforcement Officer would have had to 28 approve the one lot subdivision . 29 Lin Davidson stated that the Town should be getting CD ' s from the County with current information so that we 30 can be aware of changes as they happen. Gregg Travis and Lin Davidson said that tax maps are available on the 31 Internet now, but they are read only. Dick Platt stated that if we had that information, it would be much more 32 efficient for us . 33 Viola Miller stated that she would prefer the Meetings be held in the small court room. She said that she could 34 hear much better there . The other members agreed. Bud Shattuck said that if we did not have a large group from 35 the public, it would be feasible to use the smaller room. 36 SEAR Information —Dick Platt handed out copies of "The SEQR Cookbook' and Part 617 . He then explained 37 the first two questions on the Short SEQR Form. He also added that one, two and three family homes are exempt 38 from SEQR. He also explained that the second question would only be answered 'yes if a permit had to be 39 obtained by another agency. An example would be a curb cut permit on a State highway. A 239 review by the 40 county would not require a yes for this question. Dick Platt stated that Bernie Smeltz, Land Use Trainer for The 41 Department of State had advised him on this matter. 42 Ink Subdivision- Dick Platt provided Board members with a copy of the 239 Review from the County Planning 43 Dept. for the Ink subdivision. A letter from Mr. Burke ' s lawyer was attached . It provided a copy of the paragraph 44 in the deed confirming legal access across NYSEG land to the land Mr. Burke is retaining. 45239 Information- Dick Platt distributed copies of information regarding 239 Reviews which he had obtained • from the County Planning Department. Several members noted that the new Planning Commissioner is Mr. Marx. Dick Platt stated that the 239 review is only required if backed up by a resolution by the County. A copy of that 48 resolution should be on file with the County. Gregg Travis asked that Dick Platfprovide a copy of all information 49 to Dave Hatfield , who was not present. Bud Shattuck stated that a 239 was not done for the Ronsvale project on 50 Triphammer. He had talked to the County, and they said some Towns never do 239s, others do them sometimes, 246 5 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January tH; 2001- 1 and others do them all of the time. Bud Shattuck thought that after a year, a party could not come back on the 2 town for failure to complete a 239 . IIIPublic Utility letter- Dick Platt distributed copies of the letter from Harry Willis to Brad Griffin regarding Public 4 Utilities. 5 Town Board Report- Larry Sharpsteen thanked Robin Cornell and Dick Platt for the copies of the Town Board 6 Report. He said they would be very helpful, and would keep them informed about what is happening in the Town. 7 The other members agreed that the information was very useful . The members discussed maps, which had been 8 used previously, and wondered if they wouldbe available. 9 Nominating Committee Report- Brad Griffin reported that the four existing officers were willing to stand for 10 reelection. Nominations will be as follows : Gregg Travis, Chairman, Lin Davidson, Vice Chairman, Larry 11 Sharpsteen, Secretary, Viola Miller, Treasurer. Brad Griffin stated that the bylaws state that the election of 12 officers be done at the first meeting in February. 13 Town Board Meetings- Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Board would be holding two meetings per month. 14 The next meeting will be next Wednesday, February 6. The topic will be water district consolidation. 15 Maps- The Board members said they would like the most current aerial photos for reference . Dick Platt said he 16 would try to obtain them. 17 Larry Sharpsteen motioned to adjourn at 9 ; 35 PM. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION 18 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 19 20 Submitted by Dick Platt 21 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 . •