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E49 „) A‘4p, ORDINANCE I) EPAli 'JiENT ••; 1 flux 186 ,'�t ,��hinsing, NY 14hK2 N Town of Lansing Planning Board Meeting 6/ 11 /01 7 : 30 PM Lansing Town Hall - Board Room Agenda . • Time: Agenda Topics 7: 30 PM Approve Minutes Report of Committees 8 : 00 PM Andy Sciarabba ,/ 1- evtern • c. rr- /. 7 J � , ..-.-, - z-coraG.4. ..�1 Resume Review of Ordinance - (Schedule II ) Anything else one deems necessary to bring before the board . •r it, s gehr pai0 Ali �, witrif , ;xi .‘ r 5 fri ei, 27 fite/b ror , et” ii-sr, 0) Q) tur`4,, (10 ,11, fro" rw 147 di soy C Inti • Page i • 0- 1. e j • Town of Lansing 3 Monday , June 11 , 2001 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS r rot ;ote. preset, 6 • Gregg Travis, Chair Brad Griffin 7 Larry Sharpsteen • Li.n Davidson 8 Viola Miller • David Hatfield 9 • Nancy Loncto 10 1 1 ` Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman I 2 ' George Tatman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 Public Present 14 Richard Plan Cortland NY 15 Andy Sciarabba Lansing NY 16 17 GENERAL BUSINESS 18 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 30 PM . 19 Gregg Travis stated that they would be missing at least two of the board members for the meeting . Gregg stated 20 that Larry Sharpsteen called him to let him know he would not be able to attend and Brad Griffin had notified him 2 I a couple weeks ago that he would not be here . ® George Totman introduced Richard Platt. George explained that Dick would be taking over his position when 23 George retires . The members of the Planning Board introduced themselves . George added that Dick will not be 24 staling until July 2 , but is raking vacation time to get acquainted with the position . George explained that he will 25 be working with Dick until August I , 2001 . 26 Dick Plan gave a brief background . Dick explained that he was a builder for about 20 years; then became a 27 C . E . O . for Chenango County 3 years ago. Dick stated that he lived in Cortland and was planning to move to 28 McLean . Dick stated that he was excited to be here. Gregg Travis thanked Dick for coming. 29 David Hatfield entered at 7 : 35 PM . 30 Andy Sciarabba , Presentation of Project for The kink - Mr . Sciarabba explained that the Community 3 I Recreation Center Inc . , a not-for-profit corporation, built The Rink in 1995 . Andy stated that it was always their 32 intention that there would be more than just the ice surface there, but also other venues for the community . Andy 33 stated that the board had a strategic planning session last year and they decided that with 5 years under their belts , 34 it was time to expand . Andy explained that they thought about doing another ice surface, but they do not think the 35 demand is there yet for that, so they will hold off on that. He explained that they were approached by people 36 traveling to Syracuse and Binghamton during the winter months for soccer . He explained that kids are playing 37 indoor soccer and it is very big. Andy stated that they traveled to look at other facilities . Mr . Sciarabba stated 38 that they investigated and did a little number crunching and what they have now is about a $ 1 . 9 million project . 39 He stated that they probably would have to scale it back to about. $ 1 . 7 - $ 1 . 75 million . Jim Seward arranged for a 40 $250, 000 grant from New York State, which was in last years budget so it was already approved . Andy stated 41 that they feel they could mortgage about $700,000 - $800, 000 so it would leave them about $ 700, 000 to raise. 42 Andy explained that they did start the large donor phase and did receive an anonymous donation of $ 150 ,000 43 challenge pledge, for every $2 they raise, this person will donate $ t . Andy stated that they could safely say they have raised about $400 , 000 . He stated that their deadline is June 30, 2001 . 45 Andy Sciarabba stated that they already talked with the Town Board . He showed the Board a plan of the cur re, . . 46 concept . He explained that the building will be about 37, 000 sq . ft . , it will house a pro-shop; offices, locker 47 rooms , an indoor walking track and 2 antro-turf fields . He explained that they would hope to have another floor 2 Town oTI ausing PlrinniNg Roan!, June 11. 2001 1 surface to go over one of the fields during the offseason . Andy explained that they have planned for 250 parking 2 spaces . • 3 Gregg Travis asked where the existing sewage disposal system is . Andy showed where it was located and how it 4 worked; and where they were planning to put the new one for the new building . 5 Gregg Travis asked when they were planning to start. building. Andy explained that they hoped to start building 6 in July and were hoping for completion by November 1 . Gregg Travis asked if the Planning Board would be 7 required to do a site plan review . George Totman replied that the Town Board would be required . Mr. Sciarabba S stated that he was coming to them as a courtesy to let them know what they were planning and stated that they 9 would certainly appreciate any feedback they may give . 10 Gregg Travis stated that they appreciated Mr. Sciarabba coming in . Andy Sciarabba stated that if they have any 1 questions, they should feel free to call . Gregg Travis asked how people could contact them if they want to donate. 12 Andy replied that they can call 277 -RINK and they can send out a pledge card . Andy thanked the Board for their 13 time. 14 Approval of Minutes of 5/ 1.4/01. — David Hatfield motioned to accept the minutes as presented . Lin Davidson 15 seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 16 17 Viola Miller stated that she has encouraged everyone to attend the training sessions available to them . Viola 18 stated that she would just like to say that at one time the Town Board felt that everyone who came onto the 19 Planning Board should go to a training school . Viola stated that they were going to make that. mandatory. George 20 Totman replied that they did . Viola stated that when these things are available locally, it would be noble to attend 2 I as that is why they are doing them . Lin Davidson stated that the last one was a good one . nfl • 23 Committee Reports 24 Lin Davidson stated that the PDR Committee has a meeting on Tuesday, June 12 , 2001 , 25 Viola stated that she did not have a Treasurer' s report . 26 George Totman stated that, although they don ' t usually have the second meeting during the summer months, he 27 just wanted to let them know that there will be a Z . B . A . meeting in here on June 25th • Lin Davidson stated that 28 there would be other rooms that they could meet in , George explained that both he and Robin would be attending 29 the Z . B , A . meeting . 30 Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Center Committee has requested a joint meeting. Bud stated that they came to 31 the Town Board and requested a joint meeting; and the Town Board has referred them to the Planning Board . 32 Bud stated that the Town Center Committee could probably accommodate any date and could be here for the 33 regular meeting in July. Bud stated that they did start meeting the 4`h Monday of every month , even in the 34 summer months , even before the zoning change issue because they were looking at paper roads and such to start 35 planning the south end of town , 36 Gregg Travis stated that they received a voucher for supplies . Nancy Loncto moved that the Chairman sign the 37 voucher to approve the expenditure . Viola Miller seconded . VOTE : ALL iN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED 38 UNANIMOUSLY . 39 40 Review of the Zoning_ Ordinance - 4 I Gregg Travis stated that George had passed out a letter. George Totman explained that the letter was from the 42 residents of Fiddlers Green and Pinney Lane requesting the Town Board make a zoning change to change that 43 area from R2 to RI . George explained that there are only 3 lots left in that subdivision that have not been 44 developed yet and that all the property owners have signed the petition _ 45 Viola Miller stated that many years ago the development took a great deal of time and arguments . Viola stated 46 that the Planning Board did not want such very large lots but developer insisted that this was the way it was and it ` lr riateetkj , ;j f'Qf fru- or tip' % L O June 22 , 2001 Mr . Stephen Farkas , Town Supervisor and Chair of Planning Board Mr . George Totman , Zoning Officer Town of Lansing P . O . Box 186 Lansing, NY 14882 1 ? 2 MIAs ;ries' Dear Steve and George : �, fr . / • � 7 '4—r., 4-0E. - tf. 9 4r,tf1 We are writing this letter as a follow- up to the Fiddlers Green - Pinney Lane - Sweazey community zoning change request presentation we made at the June 20 , 2001. , Town of Lansing Board meeting . At the meeting we presented , in addition to our written zoning change request of June 8 , 2001 , (a) evidence that our low- density residential community is substantially lower in density than each of the other R - 1 zoned developments in the Town , and (b) opinions of two local attorneys that our request could not be considered spot zoning . In addition to the developments of Lake Watch , East Lake , and Cayuga Lake ® Highlands cited in our request, we visited the six other developments in the Town of Lansing which have R- 1 designations . These arc the Autumn Ridge development off Route 35 , the Lakeview development (Triphammer Terrace and Aspen Way) , the Storm View - Bean Hill - Forest Acres complex off Hillcrest Road , the Whispering Pines development off Hillcrest Road , the Head Corners community area off Farrell Road ( Stonehaven , Brookhaven , and Belvedere Drives) , and the Asbury area community (Armstrong and Franklin Roads) . The residential lots in all of the above areas consist of lot sizes from one to two acres . The average lot size in our community of 4 . 9 acres is between two to three times the lot sizes of each of these other R - 1 communities . There is no legitimate reason why our community should not be zoned R - 1 . Two potential issues were raised by you so far during our discussions . The first was the issue of spot zoning which we adequately addressed at the Town Board meeting—that spot zoning does not apply for our request due to the 138 - acre size of our community and that we have unanimous support of our residents / lot owners for the zoning change . This position , as stated above , was strongly supported by the two local attorneys we consulted both of whom have significant real estate expertise . The second issue was a suggestion that we accept no change in zoning and that we develop restrictive covenants to protect ourselves from future • Mr . Stephen Farkas Page 2 June 22 , 2001 Mr . George Totman R-2 / Lakeshore development. This suggested process avoids the basic issue that we should legitimately be zoned R- 1 , that the R- 1 zoning should have been originally designated when our community was compared with all other R - 1 zoned developments in the Town during the zoning process , if in fact our communitywas visited and compared , and that we have the right to R- 1 zoning p protection that all other R - 1 zoned communities in our Town enjoy . We have an very strong desire and are firmly committed to changing our zoning to R- 1 to ensure the protection that we are due as a low- density residential community . Prior to the July 9 meeting, please circulate a copy of this letter to the other members of the Zoning Board and suggest they drive through our community to observe first- hand the layout and composition of our neighborhood . We look forward to addressing the Zoning Board and responding to questions the Board may have at the July 9 meeting . • Sincerely yours , (—( .... S ffifs--(S-61 James J . E ` st_er on behalf of the laid lers Green - Pinney iane - Sweazey Community 0 E s I nu Town of Lansing 0 Monday, June 11 2001 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD 4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ('Denotes present) 6 • Gregg Travis, Chair Brad Griffin 7 Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson ' 8 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto 10 11 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman ' 12 * George Totman , Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 Public Present 14 Richard Plan Cortland NY 15 Andy Sciarabba Lansing NY 16 17 GENERAL BUSINESS 18 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 30 PM . 19 Gregg Travis stated that they would be missing at least two of the board members for the meeting . Gregg stated 20 that Larry Sharpsteen called him to let him know he would not be able to attend and Brad Griffin had notified him 21 a couple weeks ago that he would not be here. ipGeorge Totman introduced Richard Platt. George explained that Dick would be taking over his position when George retires . The members of the Planning Board introduced themselves. George added that Dick will not be 24 starting until July 2 , but is taking vacation time to get acquainted with the position . George explained that he will 25 be working with Dick until August 1 , 2001 . 26 Dick Platt gave a brief background. Dick explained that he was a builder for about 20 years, then became a 27 C . E . O . for Chenango County 3 years ago . Dick stated that he lived in Cortland and was planning to move to 28 McLean. Dick stated that he was excited to be here . Gregg Travis thanked Dick for coming. 29 David Hatfield entered at 735 PM . 30 Andy Sciarabba, Presentation of Project for The Rink - Mr. Sciarabba explained that the Community 31 Recreation Center Inc. , a not-for-profit corporation, built The Rink in 1995 . Andy stated that it was always their 32 intention that there would be more than just the ice surface there, but also other venues for the community . Andy 33 stated that the board had a strategic planning session last year and they decided that with 5 years under their belts, 34 it was time to expand . Andy explained that they thought about doing another ice surface, but they do not think the 35 demand is there yet for that, so they will hold off on that. He explained that they were approached by people 36 traveling to Syracuse and Binghamton during the winter months for soccer. He explained that kids are playing 37 indoor soccer and it is very big. Andy stated that they traveled to look at other facilities . Mr. Sciarabba stated 38 that they investigated and did a little number crunching and what they have now is about a $ 1 . 9 million project. 39 He stated that they probably would have to scale it back to about $ 1 . 7 - $ 1 . 75 million . Jim Seward arranged for a 40 $250,000 grant from New York State, which was in last years budget so it was already approved. Andy stated 41 that they feel they could mortgage about 5700, 000 - $ 800, 000 so it would leave them about $700,000 to reuse . 42 Andy explained that they did start the large donor phase and did receive an anonymous donation of $ 150, 000 43challenge pledge, for every $2 they raise, this person will donate $ 1 . Andy stated that they could safely say they 0 have raised about $400 , 000. He stated that their deadline is June 30, 2001 . 45 Andy Sciarabba stated that they already talked with the Town Board. He showed the Board a plan of the current 46 concept. He explained that the building will be about 57, 000 sq . ft. , it will house a pro-shop, offices, locker . 47 rooms, an indoor walking track and 2 antro -turf fields . He explained that they would hope to have another floor i 2 Town of Lansing Planning load, .lune ll, 2001 1 surface to go over one of the fields during the off season . Andy explained that they have planned for 250 parking 2 spaces. 3 Gregg Travis asked where the existing sewage disposal system is . Andy showed where it was located and how it 4 worked, and where they were planning to put the new one for the new building . 5 Gregg Travis asked when they were planning to start building. Andy explained that they hoped to start building 6 in July and were hoping for completion by November 1 . Gregg Travis asked if the Planning Board would be 7 required to do a site plan review. George Totman replied that the Town Board would be required , Mr. Sciarabba 8 stated that he was coming to them as a courtesy to let them know what they were planning and stated that they 9 would certainly appreciate any feedback they may give . 10 Gregg Travis stated that they appreciated Mr. Sciarabba coming in . Andy Sciarabba stated that if they have any 11 questions, they should feel free to call . Gregg Travis asked how people could contact them if they want to donate . 12 Andy replied that they can call 277-RINK and they can send out a pledge card . Andy thanked the Board for their 13 time. 14 Approval of Minutes of' 511.4101 - David Hatfield motioned to accept the minutes as presented. Lin Davidson 15 seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY , 16 17 Viola Miller stated that she has encouraged everyone to attend the training sessions available to them . Viola 18 stated that she would just like to say that at one time the Town Board felt that everyone who came onto the 19 Planning Board should go to a training school . Viola stated that they were going to make that mandatory . George 20 Totman replied that they did . Viola stated that when these things are available locally, it would be noble to attend 21 as that is why they are doing them . Lin Davidson stated that the last one was a good one . 22 23 Committee Reports 411 24 Lin Davidson stated that the PDR Committee has a meeting on Tuesday, June 12 , 2001 . 25 Viola stated that she did not have a Treasurer's report . 26 George Totman stated that, although they don ' t usually have the second meeting during the summer months; he 27 just wanted to let them know that there will be a Z. B , A. meeting in here on June 25th . Lin Davidson stated that 28 there would be other rooms that they could meet in. George explained that both he and Robin would be attending 29 the L . B .A. meeting. 30 Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Center Committee has requested a joint meeting . Bud stated thatthey came to 31 the Town Board and requested a joint meeting, and the Town Board has referred them to the Planning Board . 32 Bud stated that the Town Center Committee could probably accommodate any date and could be here for the 33 regular meeting in July , Bud stated that they did start meeting the 4th Monday of every month, even in the 34 summer months , even before the zoning change issue because they were looking at paper roads and such to start 35 planning the south end of town. 36 Gregg Travis stated that they received a voucher for supplies . Nancy Loncto moved that the Chairman sign the 37 voucher to approve the expenditure. Viola Miller seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED 38 UNANIMOUSLY. 39 40 Review of the Zoning Ordinance - 41 Gregg Travis stated that George had passed out a letter . George Totman explained that the letter was from the 42 residents of Fiddlers Green and Pinney Lane requesting the Town Board make a zoning change to change that 43 area from R2 to RI . George explained that there are only 3 lots left in that subdivision that have not been • 44 developed yet and that all the property owners have signed the petition . 45 Viola Miller stated that many years ago the development took a great deal of time and arguments . Viola stated 46 that the Planning Board did not want such very large lots but developer insisted that this was the way it was and it ' vt 3 Touii of Lansing Planning Board, June 11 , 2001 1 would be in their deeds that they had to be that large. Viola stated that at a later time, someone came in to divide 2 the lots , and Viola stated that it was brought up very forcefully that they could not because it was in the deeds . i • George Totman explained that those deed restrictions were mostly all 20 year restrictions and the 20 years is i 4 running out and this is what concerns the property owners . The people who own it now want it changed to RI , 5 because they do not want multi -family houses in there, but the deed restrictions are running out and any future 6 owner may want multi -family housing there . 7 George Totman explained that Steve Farkas, Town Supervisor, asked George to give this to the Planning Board to 8 look at it. The Board discussed how it would be handled . 9 Viola Miller moved to recommend that this be acted upon as they change all of the designations at the same time , 10 Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY _ 11 The Board reviewed Schedule U . 12 The following are changes to Schedule H : 13 L 1 : District: Change " Lake Shore" to "Lake " 14 Change " Lake Frontage " to " Lake w/Frontage " 15 Notes : Add 4 and 9 16 17 81 District : Change B I to read "B1 Commercial Mixed Use" 1 $ Min . Lot Area: Ask Tom Niederkorn about b . 2/DU 19 Change c . from "None" to " 15 * " 20 Min . Lot Width : Ask Tom Nicderkorn about b . 20/DU • Change c. from "None" to "35 * " 22 Min , Yard Set Back : Delete the word "Approval " from all 3 types of Setback 2 ; 24 Add District: Add : "Commercial Town Center" 25 B2 26 27 IR Min . Lot Area : Change from "None" to " 15 * " 28 Min . Lot Width : Change from "None" to "35 * " 29 Min . Yard Setback : Delete the word "Approval" from all 3 tees of Setback 30 3 I Footnotes for Schedule II 32 Add #9 . Lake frontage lots have frontage on Cayuga Lake . 33 Other Business 34 Gregg Travis read a note from Brad Griffin concerniv.g the piles of material that are being dumped on the property 35 owned by the Town across the road from the ball fields on Auburn Rd . George Totman responded that it is just 36 only fill being dumped on the property. Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Board did pass a resolution a couple 37 meetings ago, that it should be leveled and graded once a month . ILin Davidson motioned to adjourn at 9 : 43 PM . Nancy Loncto seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 40 Submitted by Robin Cornell f i 3 Toxin itippisingfriramdrig Ooa, 1, June tt , err ) I would be in their deeds that they had to be that large , Viola stated that at a later time; someone came in to divide 2 the Iots., and Viola stated that it was brought up very forcefully that they could not because it was in the deeds . 4$ George Tatman explained that those deed restrictions were mostly all dii year restrictions and the 211 years is 4 running out and this is what concerns the property owners , The people who oree it now avant it changed to RI , 5 because they do not want multi -family houses in there; but the deed restrictions am running out and any future 6 owner may want multi-fancily housing there , 7 George Tatman explained that Steve Farkas , Town Supervisor, asked George to give this to the Planning Board to 8 lock at it, The Board discussed how it Would be handled . 9 Viola Miller moved to recommend that this be acted upon as they change all of the designations at the same time . l0 Lin Davidson seconded- VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, 11 The Board reviewed Schedule II , 12 The following am changes to Schedule II 13 LI; District: Change "Lake Shore" to " Lake" 14 Change "Lake Frontage " to "Lake wtFrontage" 15 Notes : Add 4 and 9 16 17 B1 District ; Change Bt to read "B1 Commercial Mixed Use" 18 Mitt. Lot Area : Ask Tom Tiedw'dete adeut d . 2/00 9 Change e . from "None " to " 15 * " 20 Min . Lot Midth ; Ask Tom Niederkanr about b . 20/DU Change c . from "None " to "35 TM " 22 Min . Yard Set Back ; Delete the word "Approval " from all 3 types of Setback 23 24 Add District : Add: "Commercial Town, Center' 5 By. 26 27 lb Min . Lot Area : Change from ` None" to " I5 * ' ' 28 Min , Lot Width : Change from "None" to " 35 * " 29 Min . Yard Setback : Delete the word "Approval " from all 3 types of Setback 30 31 Footnotes for Schedule II 32 Add # 9 . Lake frontage lots have frontage on Cayuga Lake . 33 Other Business 34 Gregg Travis read a note from Brad Trit ua concerning the piles of material that are being dumped on the property 35 owned by the Town across the road from the ball fields on Auburn Rd- George Tatman l responded that it is just 36 only fill being dumped on the property , Bud Shattuck stated that the Town Board did pass a resolution a couple 37 meetings ago, that it should be leveled and graded once a month , sLin Davidson motioned to adjourn at 943 PM, Nancy Loncto seconded, VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY , 40 Submitted by Robin Cornell