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Home My WebLink About2001-03-26 1 1 %►- Tow n of Lansing 11115 Monday, March 26 , 2001 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD 4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS rem tr 6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteun * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto 10 11 • Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * George Totrnan, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 Public Present 14 Tom Niederkorn 15 16 17 GENERAL BUSINESS 18 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 30 PM , 19 Discussion on Expenses — Gregg Travis stated that. Sharon had given them the vouchers to approve . Gregg stated 20 that the first one was for the repair of the tape recorder for $24 . 75 . Gregg stated that there was a series of 21 expenses which looked like the Planning Board may share a part in the General Office Supply Expense with another department . Robin Cornell responded that it is shared between the Code Enforcement Office, Zoning Office and Planning Board . Gregg Travis stated that their share of General Office Supply Expense is $ 320 . 37 . 24 Brad Griffin moved to approve the expenses . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION 25 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 26 Larry Sharpsteen entered at 7 : 35 PM . 27 Review of Ordinance — Gregg Travis stated that he gave Torn Niederkorn the request to give the Planning Board 28 suggestions for the Special Conditions in the commercial zones . Gregg turned the time over to Tom Niederkorn. 29 Tom Niederkorn distributed the revised schedule that only showed the two commercial zones . Tom stated that he 30 showed a copy to Nancy to take to the Town Center Committee and asked if that was helpful . Lin Davidson 31 stated that he has some notes that he took from that meeting. 32 Lin Davidson stated that he had a question that was brought up at the Town Center Committee meeting. Lin 33 stated that although Accessory Dwelling i.s listed in the schedule, it was not listed in the definitions , Larry 34 Sharpsteen stated that when they started this it was meant as a mother-in -law apartment. Viola Miller asked if it 35 was like a guest house or something, as she knows some people who have that type of thing . Lin Davidson asked 36 that as long as they are permitting someone to build a single-family residence, why would they prohibit them from 37 being able to have an accessory dwelling ? Larry Sharpsteen stated that it is not the best use of the land in a 38 business district. Lin Davidson agreed , but added that neither is a single family home . Bud Shattuck stated that 39 they should be allowed with site plan review. Ton Niederkorn stated that he does not know why they would need 40 site plan approval, as long as they meet the set back requirements and everything. Larry Sharpsteen stated they 41 should look at it from the other direction , if the single family home is already there, would an accessory dwelling 42 detract anything from the business district? Lin Davidson stated that it would not. Brad Griffin asked if other 43 towns have a definition for this . Tom Niederkorn stated that he was sure he could find one . Viola Miller stated that it seems that the Town Center area is already small and does not see why they would allow new residences in that area anyway. Larry Sharpsteen replied that one of the purposes of creating a Town 46 Center was creating higher density, more foot traffic for the residences to use. • - 2 Town of Lansing Manning $r.tard, March 26. 2001 1 Lin Davidson stated that the Town Center Committee stated that they wanted a lower density in the Town Center. 2 Lin Davidson stated that if they are going for a higher density in this district, he thinks they should ignore that a request as he does not see that it would make sense . The board discussed the issue of congregate housing . Lin Davidson stated that they discussed it, and it was not a good idea, so they should move on. Lamy Sharpsteen 5 stated that the people that wanted a Town Center, wanted it because Lansing has no identity as a village or 6 location per se. Larry Sharpsteen stated that if they have a Town Center, they have to have people living in that 7 Town Center or it is nothing but a shopping mall . 8 The board discussed the difference between mobile homes and modular homes . 9 Lin Davidson asked where you would put a youth center in the Town Center as it is not listed in any of the 10 definitions . Torn Niederkorn stated that it not listed specifically. Larry Sharpsteen stated that they should at least 11 put in there somewhere that it is allowed because there will always be those people that will say it is not allowed 12 if it is not listed. Larry stated that if they put it as permitted, then people could put it in any building where the 13 building code would allow it. The board decided they would put it under community uses, as a separate line 14 number. They also included libraries, museums, and similar quasi public activities and it would he permitted in 15 both zones . 16 The board discussed the special conditions for roadside stands . Tom read the special conditions, including site 17 plan review. Larry Sharpsteen asked if they had to have site plan review, then why even allow it? The board 18 agreed that it should not require site plan review. 19 The board discussed some of the other concerns of the Town Center Committee . 20 The board discussed the setbacks and the landscaping for retail businesses . Brad Griffin stated that he really does 21 not know what they would be accomplishing by these conditions . Brad stated that it is not a clear focus, but a 22 general statement of good intent. Larry Sharpsteen stated that it was perfectly acceptable to impose setbacks on 23 corner lots, but not on all the lots and their time would be better spent on other things rather than mandating 24 planting shrubs around the parking lots . They decided to take out the second sentence "Such setback areas shall tbe landscaped . " 26 The board continued to discuss the proposed changes in the commercial zones 27 Brad Griffin stated that he wanted to say something about the Strategic Plan, but did not want. to raise the issue at 28 the next meeting. Brad stated that. George 'I'otman and The Town have been in and out of court on the business of 29 Ottenschott ' s junkyard and he certainly hoped that Ottenschott ' s lawyer does riot get a hold of this Strategic Plan 30 and realize that there is no mention of the junkyard in the Strategic Plan. The lawyer might say that the Town is 31 going to clean up and do all these things, yet it isn ' t even mentioned. Lin Davidson stated that the Strategic Plan 32 does not have anything to do with the Town Center . Lin added that he thinks it is a great piece of work for 33 revitalization, but it is a great confusing issue and that is the problem . Viola Miller stated that she thinks that 34 ought to be spelled out for everyone. 35 Gregg Travis thanked Tom Niederkoni for coming. Tom asked what their timetable was . Brad Griffin stated that 36 one of the things that they have been asked to do is relate the changes to the yellow copy of the existing 37 ordinance . Brad stated that it is probably the time to present it in terms of changes to the existing ordinance. 38 Nancy Loncto stated that in one of her documents that she presented to the Town Board, she had actually cut and 39 pasted the information side by side . Nancy stated that if Tom would like some help doing that or doing overheads 40 for a presentation, she would be happy to help with that process . Robin will get an electronic copy of the existing 41 ordinance to Tom Niederkorn. 42 The next meeting will be on April 9 , 2001 , at 7 : 30 PM . 43 Gregg Travis motioned to adjourn . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED 44 UNANIMOUSLY. 45 • Submitted by Robin Cornell . 47 48 i I 2 Town of Lansing 0 Monday, March 26 , 2001 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD 1 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (9) twin present) 6 * Gregg Travis, Chair * Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 * Nancy Loncto l0 11 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 Public Present 14 Tom Niederkom 15 16 17 GENERAL .BUSINESS 18 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 30 PM . 19 Discussion on Expenses - Gregg Travis stated that Sharon had given them the vouchers to approve . Gregg stated 20 that the first one was for the repair of the tape recorder for $24 . 75 . Gregg stated that there was a series of 21 expenses which looked like the Planning Board may share a part in the General Office Supply Expense with ?A another department. Robin Cornell responded that it is shared between the Code Enforcement Office, Zoning -11. Office and Planning Board . Gregg Travis stated that their share of General Office Supply Expense is S320 . 37 . 24 Brad Griffin moved to approve the expenses. Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION 25 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 26 Larry Sharpsteen entered at 7 : 35 PM. 27 Review of Ordinance - Gregg Travis stated that he gave Tom Niederkorn the request to give the Planning Board 28 suggestions for the Special Conditions in the commercial zones . Gregg turned the time over to Torn Niederkorn . 29 Tom Niederkorn distributed the revised schedule that only showed the two commercial zones. Tom stated that he 30 showed a copy to Nancy to take to the Town Center Committee and asked if that was helpful . Lin Davidson 31 stated that he has some notes that he took from that meeting . 32 Lin Davidson stated that he had a question that was brought up at the Town Center Committee meeting. Lin 33 stated that although Accessory Dwelling is listed in the schedule, it was not listed in the definitions . Larry 34 Sharpsteen stated that when they started this it was meant as a mother-in-law apartment. Viola Miller asked if it 35 was like a guest house or something, as she Ionows some people who have that type of thing . Lin Davidson asked 36 that as long as they are permitting someone to build a single- family residence, why would they prohibit them from 37 being able to have an accessory dwelling? Larry Sharpsteen stated that it is not the best use of the land in a 38 business district. Lin Davidson agreed , but added that neither is a single family home . Bud Shattuck stated that 39 they should be allowed with site plan review . Tom Niederkorn stated that he does not know why they would need 40 site plan approval , as long as they meet the set back requirements and everything . Larry Sharpsteen stated they 41 should look at it from the other direction, if the single family home is already there, would an accessory dwelling 42 detract anything from the business district? Lin Davidson stated that it would not. Brad Griffin asked if other 43 towns have a definition for this. Torn Niederkorn stated that he was sure he could find one . 0 Viola Miller stated that it seems that the Town Center area is already small and does not see why they would allow new residences in that area anyway . Lary Sharpsteen replied that one of the purposes of creating a Town 1 46 Center was creating higher density, more foot traffic for the residences to use . rre 2 Town of 1.{msurg Planning Hoard, March 26, 2001 1 Lin Davidson stated that the Town Center Committee stated that they wanted a lower density in the Town Center. 2 Lin Davidson stated that if they are going for a higher density in this district, he thinks they should ignore that 0 request as he does not see that it would make sense. The board discussed the issue of congregate housing. En Davidson stated that they discussed it, and it was not a good idea , so they should move on . Larry Sharpsteen 5 stated that the people that wanted a Town Center, wanted it because Lansing has no identity as a village or 6 location per se . Larry Sharpsteen stated that if they have a Town Center, they have to have people living in that 7 Town Center or it is nothing but a shopping mall . 8 The board discussed the difference between mobile homes and modular homes . 9 Lin Davidson asked where you would put a youth center in the Town Center as it is not listed in any of the 10 definitions. Tom Niederkorn stated that it not listed specifically . Larry Sharpsteen stated that they should at least 11 put in there somewhere that it is allowed because there will always be those people that will say it is not allowed 12 if it is not listed . Larry stated that if they put it as permitted , then people could put it in any building where the 13 building code would allow it. The board decided they would put it under community uses , as a separate line 14 number. They also included libraries , museums , and similar quasi public activities and it would be permitted in 15 both zones . 16 The board discussed the special conditions for roadside stands . Tom read the special conditions , including site 17 plan review. Larry Sharpsteen asked if they had to have site plan review, then why even allow it? The board 18 agreed that it should not require site plan review. 19 The board discussed some of the other concerns of the Town Center Committee . 20 The board discussed the setbacks and the landscaping for retail businesses. Brad Griffin stated that he really does 21 not know what they would be accomplishing by these conditions , Brad stated that it is not a clear focus, but a 22 general statement of good intent . Larry Sharpsteen stated that it was perfectly acceptable to impose setbacks on 23 corner lots, but not on all the lots and their time would be better spent on other things rather than mandating 24 planting shrubs around the parking lots. They decided to take out the second sentence "Such setback areas shall 2rbe landscaped . " The board continued to discuss the proposed changes in the commercial zones 27 Brad Griffin stated that lie wanted to say something about the Strategic Plan, but did not want to raise the issue at 28 the next meeting. Brad stated that George Totnian and The Town have been in and out of court on the business of 29 Ottenschott ' s junkyard and he certainly hoped that Ottenschott ' s lawyer does not get a hold of this Strategic Plan 30 and realize that there is no mention of the junkyard in the Strategic Plan . The lawyer might say that the Town is 31 going to clean up and do all these things , yet it isn ' t even mentioned . Lin Davidson stated that the Strategic Plan 32 does not have anything to do with the Town Center. Lin added that he thinks it is a great piece of work for 1 33 revitalization , but it is a great confusing issue and that is the problem. Viola Miller stated that she thinks that 34 ought to be spelled out for everyone . 35 Gregg Travis thanked Torn Niederkorn for coming . Toni asked what their timetable was. Brad Griffin stated that 36 one of the things that they have been asked to do is relate the changes to the yellow copy of the existing 37 ordinance . Brad stated that it is probably the time to present it in terms of changes to the existing ordinance . 38 Nancy Loncto stated that in one of her documents that she presented to the Town Board , she had actually cut and 39 pasted the information side by side . Nancy stated that if Tom would like some help doing that or doing overheads 40 for a presentation , she would be happy to help with that process . Robin will get an electronic copy of the existing 41 ordinance to Torn Niederkom . 42 The next meeting will be on April 9, 2001 , at 7 : 30 PM . 43 Gregg Travis motioned to adjourn . En Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED 44 UNANIMOUSLY. 45 i • Submitted by Robin Cornell . 47 48 i % .,,,_ 1 Town of Lansing 7 Monday , March 26 , 2001 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD 4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS 5 rOeircra present) 6 • Gregg Travis, Chair • Brad Griffin 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 Viola Miller David Hatfield 9 • Nancy .Loncto I0 11 • Bud Shattuck, Town Councilman 12 * George Tolman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 Public Present 14 Toni Niederkorn 15 16 i r ' r�7 17 GENERAL BUSINESS 18 Gregg Travis opened the meeting at 7 : 30 PM . 19 Discussion on Expenses — Gregg Travis stated that Sharon had given them the vouchers to approve . Gregg stated 20 that the first one was for the repair of the tape recorder for $24 . 75 . Gregg stated that there was a series of 21 expenses which looked like the Planning Board may share a part in the General Office Supply Expense with 0 another department. Robin. Cornell responded that it is shared between the Code Enforcement Office, Zoning Office and Planning Board_ Gregg Travis stated that their share of General Office Supply Expense is $320 . 37 . 24 Brad Griffin moved to approve the expenses . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION 25 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 26 Larry Sharpsteen entered at 7 : 35 PM . 27 Review of Ordinance — Gregg Travis stated that he gave Tom Niederkorn the request to give the Planning Board 28 suggestions for the Special Conditions in the commercial zones . Gregg turned the time over to Torn Niederkorn . 29 Toni Niederkorn distributed the revised schedule that only showed the two commercial zones . Torn stated that he 30 showed a copy to Nancy to take to the Town Center Committee and asked if that was helpful . Lin Davidson 3 I stated that he has some notes that he took from that meeting. 32 Lin Davidson stated that he had a question that was brought up at the Town Center Committee meeting. Lin 33 stated that although Accessory Dwelling is listed in the schedule, it was not listed in the definitions . Larry 34 Sharpsteen stated that when they started this it was meant as a mother-in -law apartment . Viola Miller asked if it 35 was like a guest house or something, as she knows some people who have that type of thing . Lin Davidson asked 36 that as long as they are permitting someone to build a single-family residence, why would they prohibit them from 37 being able to have an accessory dwelling? Larry Sharpsteen stated thatit is not the best use of the land in a 38 business district. Lin Davidson agreed, but added that neither is a single family home . Bud Shattuck stated that 39 they should be allowed with site plan review. Tom Niederkorn stated that lie does not know why they would need 40 site plan approval, as long as they meet the set back requirements and everything. Larry Sharpsteen stated they 4 I should look at it from the other direction, if the single family home is already there, would an accessory dwelling 42 detract anything from the business district? Lin Davidson stated that it would not . Brad Griffin asked if other 43 towns have a definition for this . Tom Niederkorn stated that he was sure he could find one . 9 Viola Miller stated that it seems that the Town Center area is already small and does not see why they would allow new residences in that area anyway. Larry Sharpsteen replied that one of the purposes of creating a Town 46 Center was creating higher density, more foot traffic for the residences to use. i 2 Town of Lousing Rimming Noarrl jidorch 26. 200,( 1 Lin Davidson stated that the Town Center Committee stated that they wanted a lower density in the Town Center . 1 2 Lin Davidson stated that if they are going for a higher density in this district, he thinks they should ignore that itrequest as he does not see that it would make sense . The board discussed the issue of congregate housing . Lin Davidson stated that they discussed it, and it was not a good idea, so they should move on . Larry Sharpsteen 11 5 stated that the people that wanted a Town Center, wanted it because Lansing has no identity as a village or 6 location per se . Larry Sharpsteen stated that if they have a Town Center, they have to have people living in that 7 Town Center or it is nothing but a shopping mall . i 8 The board discussed the difference between mobile homes and modular homes . 9 Lin Davidson asked where you would put a youth center in the Town Center as it is not listed i.n any of the 10 definitions . Tom Niederkorn stated that it not listed specifically . Larry Sharpsteen stated that they should at least 11 put in there somewhere that it is allowed because there will always be those people that will say it is not allowed 12 if it is not listed . Larry stated that if they put it as permitted, then people could put it in any building where the 1 13 building code would allow it. The board decided they would put it under community uses, as a separate line 14 number . They also included libraries, museums, and similar quasi public activities and it would be permitted in 15 both zones . 16 The board discussed the special conditions for roadside stands . Torn read the special conditions, including site 17 plan review. Larry Sharpsteen asked if they had to have site plan review; then why even allow it? The board 18 agreed that it should not require site plan review. 19 The board discussed some of the other concerns of the Town Center Committee. 20 The board discussed the setbacks and the landscaping for retail businesses . Brad Griffin stated that he really does 21 not know what they would be accomplishing by these conditions . Brad stated that it is not a clear focus , but a 22 general statement of good intent. Larry Sharpsteen stated that it was perfectly acceptable to impose setbacks on 23 corner lots, but not on all the lots and their time would be better spent on other things rather than mandating 24 planting shrubs around the parking lots . They decided to take out the second sentence "Such setback areas shall be landscaped . " 26 The board continued to discuss the proposed changes in the commercial zones 27 Brad Griffin stated that he wanted to say something about the Strategic Plan, but did not want to raise the issue at 28 the next meeting . Brad stated that George Totman and The Town have been in and out of court on the business of 29 Ottenschott' s junkyard and he certainly hoped that Ottenschott' s lawyer does not get a hold of this Strategic Plan 30 and realize that there is no mention of the junkyard in the Strategic Plan . The lawyer might say that the Town is 31 going to clean up and do all these things , yet it isn't even mentioned . Lin Davidson stated that. the Strategic Plan 32 does not have anything to do with the Town Center. Lin added that he thinks it is a great piece of work for 33 revitalization, but it is a great confusing issue and that is the problem. Viola Miller stated that she thinks that 34 ought to be spelled out for everyone. 35 Gregg Travis thanked Torn Niederkorn for coming . Tom asked what their timetable was . Brad Griffin stated that 36 one of the things that they have been asked to do is relate the changes to the yellow copy of the existing 37 ordinance. Brad stated that it is probably the time to present it in terms of changes to the existing ordinance . 38 Nancy Loncto stated that in one of her documents that she presented to the Town Board, she had actually cut and 39 pasted the information side by side. Nancy stated that if Tom would like some help doing that or doing overheads 40 for a presentation, she would be happy to help with that process . Robin will get an electronic copy of the existing 4 I ordinance to Torn Niederkorn . 42 The next meeting will be on April 9, 2001 , at 7 : 30 PM . 43 Gregg Travis motioned to adjourn . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL iN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED 44 UNANIMOUSLY. 45 ® Submitted by Robin Cornell . 47 48