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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-03-02 'll • Town of Lansing Joint Meeting Planning Board & Town Board 3/2/00 7 : 00 PM Lansing Town Hall — Small Courtroom m Aa Time: Agenda Topics 700 PM 1 . Open Meeting 2. Introductions What Is Your View of Planning ? 3 . Where Are We Going? Look at Areas of Planning A. Paper Roads c t fot -o B . Sewer - How does it happen? C . Water - How does it happen ? D . Ag District - Variances 0 Page 1 r r= . i 1 Town ofLanig 3 Thursday , March 2 , 2000 ; 7 : 00 PM JOINT MEETING 4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS 5 (')alma resaLL) 6 * Brad Griffin Chair Jacoba Baker 7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller * David Hatfield 9 * Gregg Travis 10 TOWN BOARD MEMBERS 11 CDmoaa present) 12 13 * Steve Farkas, Town Supervisor 14 * Bud Shattuck, Town Councilperson 15 * * Meg Overstrom, Town Counci.Iperson 16 * * Katrina Greenly, Town Councilperson 17 Herb Beckwith, Town Councilperson 18 4 GENERAL BUSINESS Steve Farkas opened the meeting at 7 :07 PM . 21 Steve Farkas stated that he would like to start by saying that they will close the meeting at least by 9 : 00PM . Everyone 22 agreed_ Steve stated that what he would like to accomplish tonight is for the board members to get to know each other 23 and get some sort of positive working relationship. Steve asked everyone to introduce themselves and give thei.r view or 24 philosophy of what planning is to them. 25 Introductions • 26 Viola Miller stated that she is on the Planning Board and has been for probably more years that she should remember. 27 Meg Overstrom stated that she is a new member of the Town Board. Meg stated that she has become involved with the 28 consideration of the new Town Center. Meg stated that she has spent 6 '/z hours looking through everything to do with 29 the Project 2010. Meg stated that effort by those people has been substantial and it has given them a base to start from. 30 Meg added that it seems very positive, and she hopes that between the two Boards they can move some of those actions 31 forward. 32 Katrina Greenly stated that she is also a new Town Board member. Katrina stated that she is full of optimism, but 33 already exhausted from the potential for work. Katrina stated that she thinks they have a lot of ideas to share if they 34 work together and ca.n move the town in a way that everyone approves of.. 35 David Hatfield introduced himself as a rookie on the Planning Board, stating that he has only attended one meeting so far 36 and he has a lot to learn. David stated that he kind of has his feet stuck in the mud with the agriculture end of it and he 37 would like to make sure he gets a voice in for the rural end of town and make sure they are not leli out of the plans . 38 Bud Shattuck stated that he is on the Town Board and is the liaison to the Planning Board. Bud stated that when they first talked about a joint meeting, they had a lot of ideas of how it might work and since then they have conic up with 9h another million, but he will hold his verbosity for now. 41 Gregg Travis stated that he started on the Planning Board around April of last year. Gregg stated that, like Bud , he 42 knows there are a lot of issues and he looks forward to focussing on a few and making headway rather than trying to 43 tackle all of them. 2 Town of Lansing Town Board & Planning Board Joint AMeeting, March 2. 1999 1 Brad Griffin stated that he is a relative newcomer to Lansing, he arrived 30 years ago. Brad stated that to a majority of 2 Lansing residents he is an immigrant, he was not born here. Brad stated that he liked Lansing even before it had a zoning 3 ordinance. Brad stated that he was convinced when he joined the Planning Board in 1993 , and is still convinced today • 4 that God did not send him here to reinvent Lansing. Brad stated that there are certainly things they can do to make the 5 future of the town better. Brad added that there are assurances they can give to land owners that they are not buying a 6 pig in a poke, that they will know what they are buying into. Brad thanked the Town Board for the opportunity to meet 7 and as Steve indicated, he thinks the most important thing is just sitting down face to face and for the Boards to begin 8 building bridges of trust and cooperation. 9 Larry Sharpstcen entered at 7 : 13 PM . 10 Lin Davidson stated that he works at Cornell and he farms a few hundred acres up the road. Lin stated that when he 11 came he thought why would they want to have planning, everyone should do what they want to do, but then you start to 12 realize what used to be a neighborly thing that was settled over the back fence has become lawsuits. Lin stated that the 13 other issue is that what your neighbor does can do a lot to detract from your own property. Lin stated that he was 14 involved in the 2010 Project. Lin stated that he is kind of excited with the relationship with the Town Board to work 15 together. 16 Larry Sharpsteen stated he has lived in Lansing his entire life. Larry stated that he has seen a tremendous difference in 17 the town over a period of time. Larry stated that he can see a change in demographics, the nature of the population has 18 changed, people are not here for their entire life any more. Larry stated that the greater number arc here for maybe 10- 15 19 years and then they arc off to someplace else. Larry stated that he has seen the town change from where people survived 20 or made a pretty decent living with 20-30 cows and a small cash crop farm and that does not happen anymore . Larry 21 added that there are also about 130% more vehicles on the road now. Larry stated that you can not have a growing 22 society without that type of change in population. Larry stated that from that standpoint, he thinks planning, not so much 23 zoning, is important. Larry stated that zoning is a part of planning, but planning is not a part of zoning. Larry stated that 24 planning is important in assuring that there is some sort of quality of life for the next generation. Larry added that he 25 does not believe in a lot of government interference in private property. Larry stated that growth has to be planned for 26 and it is important for a community to have a sense where it wants to concentrate businesses, industry, and residential • 27 densities . Larry stated that when zoning can help accomplish that he thinks it is useful. 28 Bud Shattuck stated that Herb Beckwith apologized that he could not attend this meeting but his son came in this evening 29 from out of state and he is spending some time with him. Bud stated that Herb did have some things he wanted to bring 30 up and that it looks like there are places on the agenda where Bud can bring those up. 31 Steve Farkas stated that he is the Town Supervisor. Steve stated that he was born here, spent some time on the Planning 32 Board, moved away for 20 years, then came back Steve stated that his real priority is planning. Steve stated that he 33 -thinks they have street amount of expertise in this room. Steve stated that after sitting in on meetings about the 34 intermunicipal sewer process and then looking at the initial district, he was looking at what the boundary lines arc for a 35 proposed 20 year district to protect the northern areas. Steve stated that they do not sec it going any farther north than 36 Bower Rd. Steve stated that his challenge would be that as they see an increase in density as they go south, how do they 37 plan those empty areas to say what we would want to see there. Steve stated that he would like them to get into paper 38 roads. 39 Steve Farkas stated that the Town Board deals with everything from barking dogs to whatever and the Planning Board 40 does this type of thing everyday. Steve stated that when the Town Board hands things to the Planning Board, they would 41 like the Planning Board to give a definitive statement and then based on the trust that they can develop, they can sit down 42 and come to some sort of agreement and go with that. 43 44 Discussion on Ottenschott property- Brad Griffin stated that he just wanted to share with his colleagues that when he 45 appeared at the public hearing about the Ottensehoti property, he mentioned their clear belief that Lansing does not need 46 a dump in the center of town and he felt a lot of credit should go to the previous and the current Town Boards for biting 47 the bullet and Brad would like to personally thank them . Brad stated that it may be unfortunate that the guy did not move 48 to clean the thing up, but Brad feels the Town Board has done the one reasonable action that will provide some • 49 leadership in making a real possibility for people wanting to come to the town. Brad stated that one gentleman stood up 50 that was talking about owning the liquor store next to Ottenschott's property and that he could not sell it. Brad stated 51 that if the Ottenschott property was cleaned up, he does not think it would be difficult to sell the property next to it. ii 3 • Town of Lansing Town Board ct'r, Planning Board Joint Meeting, March Z 1999 I Steve Farkas stated that he thinks everyone would agree that they are not trying to run business out of town, but that 4 unfortunately Mr. Ottenschott is running businesses out of town. Steve added that there arc some people interested in buying the property already. 4 Larry Sharpstecn stated that if that gets cleaned up and if it stays off the tax roles for more than six months after it is 5 cleaned up he thinks every one of the members should all lose their jobs . Steve asked why that is. Larry responded that 6 the property does not belong off the tax roles . Steve Farkas asked why Larry would think it would stay off the tax roles . 7 Larry responded that he does not believe that it is going to stay off the tax roles because he has had the assurances of 8 everyone on the Town Board that he has talked to; however, he looks around and all he sees in this county is land being 9 taken off" the tax roles and being put in public ownership. Steve Farkas asked what that has to do with this right here. 10 Larry Sharpsteen stated that what he is saying 6 months from now we shouldn' t get lazy and just let it stay where it is. 11 Bud Shattuck stated that the point is well taken but six months . . . (too many people talking at once) Viola Miller 12 suggested that they have a chance to do some planning for the center of the town before they willy nilly sell something - 13 just to make money for the town. Larry Sharpsteen responded that he is not talking about making money for the town, he 14 '-`does not believe the town should own• any more land in this area at all . .Katrina Greenly said that six months is not a 15 very long time, what about within a year. Larry clarified that he said within six months after it is cleaned up. 16 David Hatfield stated that every businessman is not going to act like Mr. Ottenschott. David asked what makes them 17 think that just because the town bought it that he is going to clean it up. David stated that they just became the 18 mortgager, the bank to Ottenschott. David stated that Mr. Ottenschott is not going to clean that up. Bud Shattuck meed 19 that Mr. Ottenschott is not going to clean it up. David Hatfield stated that he is not even sure they can get Mr. 20 Ottenschott out of there. Bud Shattuck replied that they will be able to get him out of there. David stated that it will not 21 be easy. Steve Farkas stated that the wheels are in motion so they will just have to live it out. Lin Davidson stated that 22 the only way it is going to happen is in the direction in which it is going. Steve Farkas stated that there are people who 23 would like to buy it right now and clean it up, but the town does not have that option right now because there is still the 24 foreclosure situation to go through. Bud Shattuck stated that the point is well taken, butthat if you say six months that 25 sort of draws the line. Bud stated that they do not want to be property owners, that their only role is to get the spot • cleaned up by whatever means they can. 27 Larry Sharpsteen stated that the some of the needs of the town have not changed. Larry stated that this town still needs a 28 place where people can go to buy a dozen eggs and a quart of milk, hopefully without tripping over gasoline hoses on the 29 way in. Larry stated that they know what the place needs, what they need to know is how to market the appropriate 30 locations and get somebody in there and put something on that property that can be used . 31 Katrina Greenly stated that she is just casting this idea out in the wind, people that do not know the town whether they 32 are new or passing through, they do not realize that the main street in South Lansing is where it is. Katrina asked about 33 renaming •a portion of it Main Street, just to delineate it. 34 Steve Farkas stated that he thinks the main conception is that they bought this property to make it part of the Town 35 Center and that is not true. Steve stated that right now, it is just to get rid of this guy, get it cleaned up, and put it up for 36 sale. Steve stated that right now when someone buys it, as long as it is allowed in the B I zone, whatever they want to 37 put there is what is going to go there. Steve stated that they can hopefully try to steer it, but legally they can not do 38 anything about it. Larry Sharpstecn stated that by owning it, they do have that option. 39 Brad Griffin stated they should look at the big hat. The clean up is progressing and it is a 81 district and whoever moves 40 in there will know what they are buying. Brad added that, again, ho is optimistic that economics will drive that situation. 41 Steve Farkas stated that hopefully in the meantime, because the 2010 Committee did the work that they did, they have a 42 conceptual idea of what they would like to steer towards. Viola Miller stated that they need to sit down and be looking at 43 streets and roads. Viola stated that she is not sure how large that parcel is, but do they need to think there needs to be a 44 street in there? Viola asked if they change this district, is there something they need to add, or do they take away 45 something. Viola stated that it takes looking at a lot of other things before you can bring in what is going to be in the 46 center. Steve Farkas stated that the Planning Board has been through this before, but he thought there should be some iii manner of relocation of Conlon Road to bring it up to straight up to the traffic light that is there now. Steve stated that that is something that needs to be revisited_ 49 Viola Miller asked that the Town Board give the Planning Board a list of the things they feel are important. 4 Town o Lansin _ Town Board R Piannin• Board Joint Meelin _ . March 2 1999 Larry Sharpsteen asked if the Town Board has a Business Marketing Committee. Steve Farkas replied that they do not. 2 Larry Sharpsteen stated that they should. Bud Shattuck stated that is a good idea. 3 Lin Davidson stated that instead of looking at this parcel or that parcel , he thinks they need to look at a pile of needs, then • 4 look how they can do that in a logical way. Lin stated that it may be that one developer buys it all, then do what they 5 want, they could have a lot of things in common, sharing parking, it could be security, etc. Lin asked if they want to look 6 at it that way or do you want to look at it as having a Wilson Farms over here, a gas station over there, and another mall 7 • over here. Steve Farkas stated that is where they need to come up with a conceptual idea as rapidly as possible. Steve 8 stated that is what they are charging Meg with, and hopefully working with the Planning Board, to say how do we lay 9 that out. 10 Meg Overstrom asked if it was silly to, in this meeting, have everyone agree that Lansing needs a Town Center and 11 throw out some ideas, and talk about it that way. Steve Farkas replied that he thinks they have some other things to 12 _ cover in this meeting. 13 Larry Sharpsteen stated that some people may not be -aware that•there is about a 3 acre portion of an existing business . 14 • and technology park that already has an architectural plan for a retail building, combination of office space and small 15 shop retail with possible space for a laundry mat or drug store as an anchor. Larry stated that he talked to the owner 16 about making allowances for a possible cross street from Route 34 to Cayuga Vista Drive. Larry stated that he thinks the 17 time to make points like that is to get the paper roads down, start working with the people that arc developing parcels of 18 land like that, and then have precedent to follow through with the new developers. Katrina Greenly agreed. Larry 19 Sharpsteen stated that those architectural drawings are already done, all he is doing is waiting to build that building is for 20 someone to come up and say he wants to have a business them. 21 Steve Farkas stated that a lot of this stuff is going to take place. Steve stated that because they are still putting money 22 into it, something is going to happen on the Kingdom Farm land. Steve stated that they have signed an agreement with 23 the Town where the town puts a paper water district up there and they arc giving the Town a nonrefundable $ 150,000 up 24 front of the $ 1 . 5 million that they arc putting into the sewer program. Steve stated that they are full speed ahead on that, 25 he thought that had kind of died . Steve stated that he had heard they were going to have some commercial stuff in with • 26 the other stuff they had planned . Larry Sharpsteen replied that in the meetings thatthey had with them directly, 27 basically, they would have dormitories, their own dining halls , conference centers, classrooms, libraries, etc. but their 28 people would have everything they needed right there so there would not be any peripheral business built up except for 29 maybe places for other people that come to visit them. Steve Farkas stated that maybe it was just a rumor that he had 30 heard. 31 Steve Farkas stated that at the Board Meeting on Wednesday, March 15 , 2000, Fernando D 'Aragon is going to give an 32 update on the NESTS study so the Planning Board might want to have representation there. Steve stated that he has been 33 dragging his feet about the whole thiiig because he is not totally sure he likes the way they are doing it;-Brad Griffin told -. 34 Steve to keep dragging his feet. Brad stated that he sat on that study for 2 years and those are not the best choices. Larry 35 Sharpsteen agreed. Steve Farkas stated that they are finally starting to talk more about mass transportation and the road 36 has been kind of pushed to the back. Lin Davidson stated that he sat in on that for 2 years and the whole focus was $26 37 million in mass transit. Lin stated that they have been side by side the whole time. 38 Larry Sharpsteen stated that the picture you get out of the EMC about the NESTS process is that it is a foregone 39 conclusion that there will be a road and the other stuff is just window dressing. Larry added that they have been 40 addressed by six or seven different ad-hoc groups that state the same thing, that never has a road been addressed as a 41 possibility that the road didn' t eventually happen. Larry stated that the concern is not only here that the road is a bad 42 idea, a lot of people feel that way, although maybe not for the same reason. Lin Davidson asked how you get from Rt. 79 43 to Rt. 34. Lin stated that idea is that it has to happen one way or another. Lin statcd that it may not be necessarily the 44 best road, but it was a model . Larry Sharpsteen stated that for 15 years this Planning Board has been talking about a 45 Warren Road Corridor. Viola Miller stated that it has been discussed for 25 years. Lin Davidson statcd that that was 46 majorly discussed and that it is on there as valid as this other route. 47 Viola Miller stated that one of the things that would be very meaningful for the Planning Board is if they knew what the 48 Town Board was planning for water and planning for sewer or what they have in mind that they are going forward with . 49 Viola explained that when they do not know those things it is hard to put things together. Viola stated that they have 50 often mentioned that, but have never been a part of it and that makes planning very difficult. 5 Town of Lansing Town Board & Planning Board Joint Meeting, March 2, 1999 1 . Viola Miller stated that she has been approached by the Village Planning Board . The Village Planning Board would like to meet with them and share what they are doing with the Town Planning Board. Viola stated that she would hope that iithat would meet with the Town Board 's approval. Steve Farkas stated he and Don Hartill have talked about their boards 4 meeting and doing some joint meetings. Bud Shattuck stated that he thinks Viola is on the right track. Bud stated that . 5 the best thing they can do is, if they say they want to have a Town Center and start working on that, they need to take the 6 plan for water and sewer and plan the infrastructure. 7 Steve Farkas stated that they, as a Board, have been trying to get some numbers together. Steve stated that they have 8 talked with their engineers and legal people . Steve stated that they have water districts all over the place, all in different 9 stages . If they arc going to draw a line that says the part of Buck Road that takes in the Kingdom Farm, then down 10 Bower Road as saying that will be the most northern line of the sewer district, Steve would just as soon see if they could 11 multiply it by overlaying a water district that would cover the whole area as well . Steve stated that he does not know 12 how they would do it because of all these different levels. Brad Griffin stated that Lansing has something like 38 water • 13 districts and if someone just landed here from outside of town, they would wonder whether they ever had a Planning 14 Board. 15 Lin Davidson stated they need to look at what they have to sell . Lin stated they have the needs of the community, a 16 fantastic recreational opportunity, tourism, and if people make Lansing a destination, rather than hoping to catch them as 17 they pass through, the Town will be a lot better off. Lin stated that he thinks that comes from a mix and if you can do 18 that, you are a lot farther ahead than trying to do it piecemeal . Katrina stated that she agrees , but they also need to have 19 some guidance that the developers need to take with them as opposed to handing it to them and saying "do with it. " Lin 20 Davidson stated that he is not denying the guidance is needed . 21 Larry Sharpsteen stated that they worked for 25 -35 years on a Land Use Ordinance and they finally have one through. 22 Larry stated they need to give lip service to tourism as a business to make Lansing a destination, but in all the time he has 23 been here in town he has never seen anyone take the steps that they arc taking in Ovid and Interlaken. Larry stated that 24 you have to attract the entrepreneurs that have the vision and are willing to sink the kind of money needed to develop an industry. Larry added that they can wave their arms in the air all they want and say "Oh how great we are, why aren' t we a destination?" Larry stated that they have not really tried to market the town. Katrina Greenly and Meg Overstrom 27 ageed. Steve Farkas asked whether they get more active as a member of the Chamber of Commerce. Steve asked if that 28 is a viable thing, do they develop something of that nature, but on their own, what do they do? Steve stated that they 29 need to reach out further than the same old folks that get involved in the School Board, Town Board, Planning Board , 30 and Board of Fire Commissioners, because it is the same people all the time. Meg Overstrom stated diem were 11 • 31 committees that worked on the 2010 Project. Meg guessed that there were 60 people or more, but there were sonic very 32 different, diverse people involved in that. Meg stated that it is sad that it stopped because that kind of snubs people' s 33 nosed that they did all this work on it and did not see a lot of the fruition of their work_ Katrina Greenly stated that she 34 thinks there arc other people that Would get`invoived, but they need to P. R. , ask, and wave the flag. Steve stated that.. . .. 35 they need to do that then. 36 Viola Miller stated that she would like to say something about planning that they often forget. Viola stated that when 37 they are planning, they are not supposed to be planning for today, they are planning for 20 years down the road . Viola 38 explained that they can not look at every individual who is being affected by it when you arc making a plan and she 39 thinks they do that entirely too much. Viola stated that they need to plan something that looks right for the area for the 40 time now and the time that is coming. Viola stated that it may affect some people adversely and it may help some people_ 41 Meg Overstrom stated that change is scary for some people. 42 Discussion on Private Roads — Steve Farkas stated that they got an interpretation from Harry Willis, Department of State, 43 that may open up a can of worms that they may not want to open, but it is opened. Steve stated that issue is how many 44 homes can be on a private road. Lin Davidson said four. Steve replied that is what the interpretation has been. Steve 45 stated that the interpretation from the State is that as long as the road is a private road and meets the specifications as far 46 as being able to handle emergency vehicles . . . the sky ' s the limit. Steve explained that the previous history has been 47 saying four and now all of a sudden . . . Steve asked if there was some way they could control it with their subdivision di• regulations or something. Larry Sharpsteen stated that no municipality may make an ordinance less restrictive than the State, but it can make one that is more restrictive. Steve stated that the way he understands it is that they can put it in the 50 ordinance there being restrictive deeds saying "thou shalt not forever ask the town to take occupancy of that road." Steve 51 stated that Rich John is looking into it and there will be more legal interpretations coming. Lin Davidson asked if 6 'Town o Lans-in _ Town Board & Plannin_ Board Joint Meetin _ March 2 1999 1 Richard Page brought this in. Steve Farkas stated that he did. Steve stated that he just wanted to make everyone aware 2 of it because this is going to be a real issue. 3 Discussion on Sewer - Steve Farkas stated there will be an article in the paper clarifying what was meant the other night • 4 when he said if there is a water agreement under this hand, there better be a sewer agreement under the other hand . 5 Steve stated the Don Hartill of the Village is right on board with that too. Steve stated that, basically, the initial sewer 6 area is what they did set up as the initial group. Viola Miller stated she was glad to hear Steve say he put his foot, or 7 hand; down about the sewer because from what. she was hearing they were right in there on the water and everything, 8 but she had not heard that Lansing was in on the sewer yet. Steve replied that it is not something that they publicize and 9 that he heard from a good source that Cornell is saying that as far as water, they will not be part unless there is a sewer 10 agreement as well . Steve stated that Cornell is saying that if they are out here running their mouths about wanting to 11 protect the environment, then they ought put the sewer where their mouth is. Bud Shattuck stated that in any 12 intermunicipal agreement, that is where all that money comes from. 13 Brad Griffin asked how Steve would summarize where they arc now. Steve stated that if Ithaca could rewrite the by 14 laws of Bolton Point, they would certainly do it, but that is not happening. Steve stated that the other part of it is that 15 they have a guy named Larry Fabroni that has as big a mouth as Steve does and sometimes he lets things out that they 16 wish he wouldn ' t. Steve stated that it was that their water filtration plant is about to die any day now. Steve stated they 17 arc probably 2 months away from a city agreement for water that would be sigmable. Steve stated that Kathy .Valentino 18 is aware that after a draft agreement is done, he has to bring it back to the Town Board members for their agreement that 19 at sonic point he can put his hand to it, whenever he chooses to put his hand to it. 20 Steve stated that as far as the sewer agreement goes , they arc probably running a year behind. Steve stated there might 21 be an agreement in place by this fall . Steve stated they are talking about a draft scoping of the project by late summer. 22 Steve stated that the biggest problem is that they have three municipalities that arc in that joint sewer group. Steve stated 23 that they have never ironed out their problems amongst them. Steve added that another thing they need to understand is 24 that Lansing and Dryden arc very unique. Steve stated that the City of Ithaca, Town of Ithaca and Cayuga Heights have 25 never developed benefit districts, they have no concept of what it takes . Steve stated that he has had David Herrick come • 26 in to committees, that Steve is die chair of, and explain what it takes to design a benefit district. • . 27 Bud Shattuck asked if they arc still hitting tie dates to save that money. Katrina Greenly stated that she was wondering 28 about that too. Steve Farkas explained that the money that has been allocated is there. Bud Shattuck stated that there 29 were target dates that if they didn't do certain things . . . Steve Farkas replied that the Environmental Conservation has said 30 that is not so. Steve stated that by the end of March, they should be announcing the second round amounts. Steve Farkas 31 stated that he has another meeting on April 6, 2000, and possibly after that he could attend a Planning Board meeting and 32 give them a timetable or something. Steve Farkas stated that he will sign two agreements at the same time, he will not 33 sign one-without the other. - 34 Steve Farkas stated that he thinks the Town Board and the Planning Board should meet at least on a quarterly basis . 35 Steve explained that most of the Town Board members arc new and he thinks it would behoove them to work with the 36 Planning Board to understand what is going on, rather than work against them. 37 38 Katrina Greenly stated she would really like to see them moving on looking at the road issues. Steve Farkas stated that 39 he would like the Planning Board to be able to say to a developer, this is the way we want it rather than the developer 40 coming and saying this is the way he is going to do it. 41 Steve Farkas stated that whether they like it or not, there is going to be movement this way from the city. Steve stated 42 that if they are going to have the density, they should put it where the services arc going to be more readily available . 43 Steve stated that they need to do it in a manner where they know if they start with their initial benefit area, how can they 44 come off of that to pick up those areas and not let it go helter-skelter. Steve asked if it was going to be developer driven 45 or Board driven. Lin Davidson asked Steve if he was saying he would like it Board driven. Steve replied that he would 46 like to see it as much as possible. Brad Griffin stated that maybe it would be better if it were ordinance driven. Viola 47 Miller stated that they need more site plan review. Lith Davidson stated that might be something they should take a 48 harder look at it. Brad Griffin stated that if an ordinance has site plan and uses it, it is a fair thing and it applies across 49 the board. Brad Griffin stated that he will probably be coming back to the Town Board with some changes to the 50 existing ordinance. Brad gave an example that although 20 feet of road frontage is okay for an exception, it is probably ik 7 Tow of Lansing Town {marry c' : Planning Board ,loins Mediu,, A}farch 2, 1999 1 not a good standard- Katrina Greenly agreed. Brad Griffin stated they will try to make: some marc concrete 2 recommendations to them on it. Steve Farkas stated that he did go over the changes for the Comprehensive Plan and found some typos that he gave to 4 Robin. Brad Griffin stated that they are interested in their collective reaction to that and will go from there. 5 AR. District Varian= — Steve Farkas explained that they had a situation come up with John Hicks- John Hicks had a 6 situation where he had a lot sold, but ha could not sell it because the Tenet board could not extend the water district into 7 that land because it was still in an Ag. District, Steve stated that the part that makes you mad is that En. Cort says that d is not written in stone. Brad Griffin asked what it was written in than. Steve replied that it is according to what region 9 yea an in is the way then interpret it. Brad Griffin stated that there is no state law that is written region by region. lb Steve replied that he could show tum what the interpretation is from Albany. Brad Brilhin stated he will coma to look at 11 it. 12Viola Miller staled that she has always maintained diet because things do change they ought to plan a Town Center - 13 �vherc_cver they iearsyit and however they would like to have it. Steve Farkas asked if they had some drawings or 14 something from the 2210 Committee- They stated that they did- — 15 The members discussed having an hg. Committee or a Conservation Committee. Mcg Brerstram stated that there are 16 people that arc interested in sere on an Ag . Committee . Larry Sharpie= stated that he thinks those Environmental 17 Advisory Councils and Committees are a big uaistake. Larry stated that they are a second level of bureaucracy that take 18 on a life and credibility of their own when they are really just a sounding board far a trate very vocal people with agendas . 19 Katrina Greenly stated she would like to bring up the idea of having a small regular space in Matt ' s paper to give a 20 perspective an issues that come up to the Planning Board or the Town Board , Brad Griffin asked if it would be helpful to 21 assure that they see each other' s minutes if nothing else . Everyone a .d. They discussed putting it an the web- Steve 22 Farkas stated that the more information you get out there, the less people are going to be trying to look between the lines . 23 The Teem Board receives copies of the Planning Baird minutes- Lin Davidson asked if the Planning Board could also 24 receive copies of the -town Board minutes. Larry dharpsteea asked if the Town Beard had been receisfrth the EMG isminutes he had been submitting. They replied that they had not. Larry stated that if that is what it takes, he will deliver them to Steve personally . 27 The meting was adjourned at : 05 PM, 28 Submitted by Robin Cornell , -P. _ . . - - - _ -. _-. , .- -