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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999-08-09 1 1 torrcaccP • • own ofLasng 3 Monday , August 9 , 1999 ; 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD 4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS 5 (' Denotes present) 6 * Brad Griffin, Chair * Jacoba Baler 7 s Larry Sharpsteen * Lin Davidson 8 * Viola Miller David Lippert 9 * Gregg Travis 10 11 * Paul Butler, Town Councilman 12 " George Tatman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer 13 14 PUBLIC PRESENT 15 Roger Sovocool I t6 I 17 GENERAL BUSINESS Brad Griffin called the meeting to order at 7 : 30 PM. 4i ) NEW BUSINESS v 20 Approval of Minutes of July 12 , 1999- Page 3, tine 44 . . . Brad Griffin corrected . . . versus the siting . . . 21 Page 4, Line 14 . . . Larty Sharpsteen corrected . . . the Planning .Board have not . . . Lin Davidson moved to 22 accept the minutes as amended . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION 23 CA.RRiED UNANIMOUSLY . 24 Boundary Change- Roger Sovocool , Tax Map ## 12. - 1.-15. 3 25 Mr. Sovocool apologized to the Board for missing the last meeting. Mr. Sovocool explained that the 26 Planning Board and the Town Board have approved this basic plan . Mr. Sovocool stated that there were a 27 few very minor changes. Mr. Sovocool explained the survey map and the differences between this and the 28 previous proposal , combining two of the parcels . Mr. Sovocool will retain the parcels to the North and 29 South . Mr. Sovocool stated that what they essentially have is two parcels, 13 & C, in the middle of the 30 property, both going to one person . 31 Gregg Travis questioned the note in Parce1 .13 that states it includes Parcel BI , which is not contiguous with 32 Parcel 13 or C . Mr. Sovocool explained that was because they tried to keep the bay free from docks and 33 boats . Rather than extend Parcel B all the way to the lake, he decided he would give them access to the lake 34 in a different area so Mr. Sovocool could still retain control the rest of the area . Brad Griffin asked if Mr. 35 Sovocool was saying he has title to something westward of the railroad tracks. Mr. Sovocool responded that 36 according to the survey, there is a strip anywhere from 2 to 4 feet wide that the railroad does not own . Larry 37 Sharpsteen asked what the date of the Lehigh Valley deed was . Mr. Sovocool responded that it was done in 1857 . I` Brad Griffin asked about the 100 ' right-of-way , Mr. Sovocool stated that he has a developer ' s agreement lo er ' s a g p 40 with the Town of Lansing for the subdivision that was originally approved and it provides that he will deed 41 an interest in the road to each of the lot owners. Mr. Sovocool reviewed some of the requirements for the 2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, August 9. 1999 road included in the developer ' s agreement. Mr. Sovocool stated that he is not interested in any large scale 2development. He would like to sell a few pieces and keep it down to 3 or 4 owners in that area . • Gregg Travis asked if there would be the possibility of extending that lane through the property to continue 4 to lands to the south . Mr. Sovocool responded that none of the other owners want a road through their 5 property at this point . Mr. Sovocool stated that he agreed previously that if there was any further 6 development up hill from this, that he would dedicate a 60 foot strip so this would not be a dead end road . 7 Mr. Sovocool explained that the reason he brought this to the Planning Board was that the agreement stated 8 that any changes would go before the Planning Board, Viola Miller stated that he is making the lots bigger, 9 not smaller so there should not be any problems with it. Larry Sharpsteen stated that this is an existing 10 subdivision and this is a boundary change, and as such he would questions the need of a public hearing . The i board agreed that it was a boundary change and would not require a public hearing. 12 Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the boundary change . Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR, 13 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 14 Brad Griffin asked if anyone had a problem with him signing the map at other than a regular meeting. Larry 15 Sharpsteen replied that it was pretty much standard operating procedure as long as it is passed in a meeting . 16 Privilege of the Floor 17 Viola Miller stated that pertaining to right-of ways on roads, as she listens to some of the members there 18 does not seem to be an agreement on how they look at easements. Viola stated she has given it considerable 19 thought. Viola stated that in the past, to her knowledge , they have never asked anyone who has given them 20 an easement, to put in the road. Viola stated that it seems unreasonable to make someone put a road in for 21 someone else . Viola stated that she wants to make sure everyone has the same understanding when someone 22 comes in . Larry Sharpsteen stated that, in general , he would agree, but he got the sense from the Town Board that the Town did not want to incur the cost of developing a road. Larry Sharpsteen stated that this would open a discussion as to whether the Subdivision Rules & Regulations need to he modified to state 25 whose responsibility it is. 26 Larry Sharpsteen stated that going back to the Leathers development, he understood that not only were the 27 Leathers responsible for providing the easement, it was discussed that they would be responsible to a certain 28 extend for the construction of that road . Viola Miller stated she has a completely different memory of that. 29 Larry Sharpsteen stated that although that particular point is moot, in the future it should be clear. George 30 Tatman stated that it is a moot question because originally the developers put up a sizeable amount of money 31 in escrow for the future road, last year the money was released and given back to the developer. George 32 stated that it was a Town Board action, not a Phuming Board action. 33 Lin Davidson stated that he concurs that a developer that gives up an easement has already given equity 34 toward something, and whoever needs the road is going to have to pay the entry fee. Lin stated he thinks 35 there has to be a standard practice somewhere amongst towns in subdivision regulations or somewhere , Lin 36 added that he thinks they would be better off to go look at what standard practice is. 37 Paul Butler stated that it varies for each development because each development is different and unique. 38 Brad Griffin stated that those things could happen on agreement rather than statutory requirement . Brad 39 stated that at the last meeting Gregg Travis, as a new member and a developer, raised a question . His 40 question was where could you find in ordinance or statute the requirement to compel such action . Viola 41 Miller stated that it is in the subdivision regulations. Bract Griffin stated that these have occurred by 42 agreement rather than compulsion. Paul Butler stated that they could possibly put a limitation on the time . 43 Paul stated that if someone had to put up money for a road, and if it was not developed within 10 years, they could get their letter of credit released . Viola Miller stated that the Town Board has done that, the Planning Board has not . 3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, August 9, 1999 1 Gregg Travis stated that on the subdivision they just approved there is a corridor for a future road. Gregg 2 asked who would build the future road . Viola Miller stated that there is land down below and if they need to I 0 get out, they build it. Brad Griffin responded that what he is certain of is that the Town will not build it. 4 Larry Sharpsteen stated that in the Subdivision Rules & Regulations, on page 22, Article 6 , Sec . 602 , 5 Subparagraph I, it states "future construction of roads on such connecting rights-of-way shall, generally, be 6 the responsibility of the developers of such adjacent land . . . " 7 Committee Reports s Town Board Liaison- Paul Butler stated that the Town Board is working on some new water districts. Brad 9 Griffin asked if it was correct that there are 38 water districts now . Paul thinks that is correct . 10 Tour of the Town - Jackie Baker stated that she would like to see them line up a time to ride with Pete Larsen ii again . The board discussed it and decided that they usually do it in the fall . 12 Trails - Jackie stated that she and David Lippert set up a meeting with Fernando at the County Planning 13 Department on Friday , August 20 at 10 : 00 AM. Jackie stated they would like anyone that is interested to 14 come. Brad Griffin stated that Fernando would probably be interested to know where things are in the town . 15 Jackie Baker stated that Fernando sent them a map that they put together of the old railroad . Brad Griffin 16 stated that another thing to consider might be abandoned roads. Larry Sharpsteen added that the landowners 17 have a lot to lose by doing it and the first thing the Town needs to do if they are going to develop these trails 1 S is hold the landowners harmless . Brad Griffin stated that there is a section of the General Obligations Law 19 that deals with that specifically. Brad thinks it is Section 109 of that law. 20 Lary Sharpsteen stated that he was mortified, yet tempted to say "1 told you so" when he read the Ithaca 21 Journal article last week about the County ' s vision for the overriding municipal Big Brother government and 22 how bad home rule is . Viola Miller stated that it is done that way in many states. Larry responded that just 40 because it is done, does not mean it is right . Viola stated that many of them that have lived it or have family that live it , they don ' t seem to find it much different when they are talking on a countywide basis. 25 Sewer- Larry Sharpsteen stated that he feels they have reached another bump in the road. Larry stated that 26 he thinks members of the Common Council who are concerned with development in Trumansburg and in 27 Lansing have found another bump to put in front of the Mayor ' s tires with this thing. Larry stated that time 28 is not going to be spent on an inter-municipal agreement when everybody is busy dodging arrows and slung 29 mud and things like that . 30 Planning Federation- Viola Miller stated they are planning some very interesting training meetings. Viola 31 added that she will let George know the date so he could send out notices . 32 Treasurer- Jackie Baker stated that through June , they had only spent $ 1000 . Jackie stated that they have 33 $4000 left to spend if they need it. 34 Maps- Brad Griffin showed the maps he got from the County Planning Department. The board examined 35 and discussed the maps. Larry Sharpsteen stated that in his opinion the 1 : 12000 map would be good to have 36 mounted and the other one would be good to have in each individual office. Brad Griffin stated that the cost 37 was about $65 a sheet. Larry Sharpsteen stated that is dead cheap. 38 Larry Sharpsteen moved to have Brad Griffin proceed with getting the maps printed . Lin Davidson 39 seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 40 OTHER BUSINESS 41 Goals & Objectives- Lin Davidson stated that they were going to be reviewing the Comprehensive Plan and a) was wondering how they were going to do it, what kind of process would they be using to review it? Brad Griffin stated he was glad Lin brought that up. Brad asked George Totman how many responses he had 44 received back. George stated that he had three , but did not have them with him . Brad stated that they had 6 45 altogether. Brad Griffin stated Barbara Caldwell , Chairperson of the Planning Board in the Town of Dryden , 1 46 mentioned that they had were updating their Comprehensive Plan and what they are going to do is a mailing 4 Toi n of Lansing Planning Board, August 9, 1999 1 to all the residents in the town. Brad inquired of her and Jim Schug what their experience has been in the I 2 past on returns on that kind of thing. They indicated that the response was enough to make it worth doing 0 the mailings . Viola Miller asked if it would be wise to go over it firstto see what needs to be looked at. Larry Sharpsteen agreed . Larry stated that they know there are some inconsistencies and if they concentrate 5 on those and bring those points up for larger review, their time will not be wasted on considering things that 6 would not be productive . 7 Viola Miller suggested the Planning Board should hold 2 meetings a month and use the second meeting as a 8 work meeting . Viola Miller stated that they did that for quite some time . Brad Griffin stated that some 9 weeks they did both. Larry Sharpsteen stated that he thinks they could definitely direct that they do not do I0 public business at the work meeting. Brad Griffin replied that if applications for review, they should move 11 on those promptly. Larry Sharpsteen stated that lie thinks they lose their focus when they do that. Brad 12 replied that may be true but it is an important function to try to move those things along as quickly as they 13 can . Viola Miller stated that she would like it if the Town Board was aware that they were going to do this . 14 Brad Griffin stated that their homework assignment would be to refresh their memories and read the 15 Comprehensive Plan . 16 Brad Griffin stated that at the next meeting, Mrs . Steiner was going to be coining in to speak to them . Brad 17 stated that he hopes to be here on time , but if not he would ask the Vice-Chair to do the introductions . 18 Lin Davidson motioned to adjourn at 9 : 05 PM . Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR.; 19 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . 20 The next meeting is scheduled for September 13 , 1999 . 21 Submitted by Robin Cornell . III • i !