HomeMy WebLinkAbout1999-06-14 Town of Lansing
Planning Board Meeting
6/ 14199
7 : 30 PM
Lansing Town Hall — Board Room
Agenda
IAppmximate Tirn Agenda Topics
7:30 PM Open Meeting , Approve Minutes of 5/10/99
Privilege of the Floor - Board Members
7 :45 PM Roger Sovocool - Redesign Subdivision
8 : 00 PM William Albern - Re: Novalane
1 ) Reactivate Subdivision
2 ) Flag Lot Proposal
8 : 30 PM 1 ) Report of Committees
2) Chairman% Comments
3) Suggestive Con Is & Objectives for Planning Board Acitivities
4) Discussion of Standards for Permanent Display Maps
9: 00 PM Any Other Business One Deems Important to Bring to the
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3 Monday , June 14 , 1999 ; 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
a PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
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4 * Orad Griffin, Chair F Jaroba Baker
7 x Larry Sharpsteen * Lim Davidsoia
$ Viola Mille * David Lippert
4 * Ci regg Travis
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11 P Peal Butler, Town. Councilman
12 * George Totman, Zoning and Code tinforcenienr Officer .'
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14 PiT.RLIC :PRESENT
15 Matt Shulman 204 Wilson .I.d
14 Nancy J . Stage 39 :73i] lerestlid
17 Dick. Ksizek 128 Pooh Rd
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• l GENERAL BUSINESS
Brad Griffin called the meeting to order at 7 : 30 PM.
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7 ] Approval of Minutes ot` Mao 10, 1999- Page 2, Line 21 . . . Viola Miller corrected . . . is the fact that that
22 Conrail . , , Brad Griffin moved to accept the minutes as corroded . Viola Miller seconded_ VOTE : ALL IN
23 FAVOR, MOTION CARRIED .
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22 NEW BUSINESS
26 Privilege of the Floor
27 Mau Shulman Mated that last year he rvoote two different editorials about library service in the northeast
22 area. Both times he was told by the librarian and people on the County Boar that as soon as they make
44 anangennenty for the downtown library( they would address the issue of library service . Matt stated that if
30 you look at the communities that are served by the libraries in the county , there are some reading rooms and
3 ] some libraries , but there is one area that has no access_ Matt stated that is our part of the county , Mail
32 added Vat it is said that they can go downtown, and that is true, but thee; are youngsters and oldsters and
33 people that avant to do research , and there are no facilities here whatsoever.
34 Lin Davidson entered at 7 : 33PM ,
35 Mott Shulman stated that he cannot get anyone to answer his letters . Matt was not rare if this is a topic for
316 the :Planning Board to oveP1 consider; but he thought he would throw it out there for Roof to do with it what
37 they will . Brad Griffin stated that despite his personal interest in it, he does not know that it is a
0 jurisdictional matter for the Planning Board to deal withinany way . Larry Si}arpsteen responded that it has
been a topic discussed 0ver arotry years and they did include the desirability of a library R the
40 Comprehensive Plan _ Larry stated that he has personal ly pushed for the Town Hall to be converted, but the
S I problem is that n conversion would create the saune problems for AM , A , that is does as a Town Rail , Garry
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io PliH ing Board, ,lune 14, 1999
1 added drift in Iiis opinion it is within the Benue of the Planning Board ireesrise it is planning for the
2 community, lin Davidson agreed with Larry Shagralueo s opinion - Viola Miller stated she thought that
3 when they were talking about it before , they discussed tiyingg to connect the library to the school library .
4 Viols stated she thought sire saw in the paper someplace that there are rolrie legal restrictions why they
5 cannot .do this sort of thing. David Lippert stated that he has heard several [ eves over the years that the
6 Town library money went to Mo school library in the absence of e Vorrir Facility itself, although he does not
7 know where that stands.
Matt Shulman asked if they would feel comfortable inviting Janet Steiner to come talk 1.0 the Planning Beard
9 about her vision . Matt stated that Janet is charged with providing library service to the entire county,
10 George Totwao stated that the County Libres2 does not have anything to do financially with the other local
t I libraries or reading rooms, Brad Griffin stated that tire question was whether they would feel comldrteblc
12 asking Janet Steiner to come in to talk Is them - The board agreed they would feel comfortable . Paul Butler
If added that they might also rosat in contact the I-listorical. Society , Brad DridDrl asked the Secretary to draft e
Is leder of invitation to Mrs . Steiner for the purpose of an exploratory discussion ciflibrary services in Che
15 Town of Lansing for the next meeting to be held on July I d , 1999 ,
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17 Brad Griffin passed around a newspaper clipping regarding the Dtteesuhott matter of the Lansing junkyard .
13 Brad also stated there were son-ie very good articles in the May-fene issue of Town Topics . Brad stated
19 there are 2 articles he would like to bring to everyone ' s attention . The first is about lire statewide
20 requirements for subdivision approval . The second is about zoning changes .
di Viola Miller stated that as she was studying e lot of things today, it came to hor that she has never been guile
22 sure, in her own mind , whether it was legal to transfer the authority to do one lot subdivisions to someone
23 else.
24 Roger. Sou eoa2 — Redesign Sulerdsisiun - Mr , Sovocool did not show .
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25 Committee .IDeports
27 F - M . C- lean-rr Shtupsteen stated that one of the suggestions of the committee was to have the Town ' s
33 representative to the E .M. C . drawn from the individual municipal ides Conservation Advisory Council
29 ( D , B., C , ) Laird" noted that the `fore+ of Lansing does not have e C . A - C; . , and probably won ' t until etleast one
30 or two more elections happen - Larry stated Mat there it a potential answer to solve both problems, The
3 t Town of Danby ' s representative has caned the Danby flown Board to appoint the Planning Board as the
32 Town , A . D . , which would not be a had use of the knowledge in the Tows of Lansing ,
33 Laird' Slrorpsteee staled that et the last E . M. C . meeting , a resolution was passed to send to Ste 1), B. C , with
34 regard to suggestions or support for their rewriting of the land use of state lairds . Brad Crriftin stated that to
35 Iris recollection , the State had invited public participation , and esdM Larry Sharpsteen if that participation
36 came forth . Deny Slrsrgstceii responded that as fat' as Ire knows it did not .
37 Treasurer- Jackie 13aker stated that she does not have anything as Treasurer,
38Trails- Jackie Baker asked where the issue with trails stands with the Town Board, Brad Griffin responded
3d that he ;ave the minutes of that meeting to the Town Board as e study matter, not es a question of whether .
40 they should go or not go ahead with it. Brad staled that in the state they are in , Ihey do not need the go
41 ahead Coln the 'I.Dorvn Board , the Town Board would look for something more concrete to react to . Jeclrie
42 stoked that she and (David ]Lippert would meet on it before the next Planning Board meeting ,
43 Planning, Federation- Viola Miller stated that they are still having difficulty getting a quorum. \lipid stated
44 that they trying to get the County to approi+e giving the alternates the same privileges es the regular '
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members . Brad Griffin asked Viola if she could specufate as to why they may bo Graving trouble getting a
46 quorum? . Viola replied that there is a rather high number for e rleorum and some people oewint be there .
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3 Town of Lansing Planning Boar-T, June 14, 1 .999
1 There are also some municipalities that do not have plk ming boards , pet they make them use the number
2 that could be represented rather than the number that is actually represented -
4111 `I'ransportation - Lin Davidson stated that the NESTS report is done and will probably be adopted some tune
this week. Viola Miller asked Lin if he was happy with the report. Lin replied that although he thinks the
5 maximum tmoslt may be a boondoggle, he felt they ought to get the right-of.-ways worked out Pa the future .
6 Larry Shrupsteen stated that the . .FINIC was supposed to have a presentation from the NESTS Committee and
2 by one of the ed -hoe anti committees, but the only one that showed up was the ad-hoc anti . Lary added that
3 getting the woman to stop talking after they said they had heard enough was almost impossible .
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10 Mariam Albern , Novalaae Subdivision Request
E l Bill .A [ barn passed out copes of proposed subdivision . Mr. Albern stated diet he actually had two requests
12 tonight.
I t The first proposal is Phase 1 l of the Noraltwe subdivision , basically to develop the 9 lots to° the west of
14 Smugglers Path. Mr. AIhe3-n stated that Smugglers Path would extend to e road that is allowed for in the
10 East Lake development and that road would be constructed. Brad Griffin asked VT. Albern to refresh his
16 memory on the road from the Test Lake Subdivision - No, Albern replied that there is an easement that was
17 ]planned years ago that when the East Lake Subdivision went in that there could be e road there . Mr, Alhern
18 added that there is not currently a read there, Mr. Albern stated that they will constmct the road from
] 9 Smugglers Path. to the edge of the property tine and to his understanding the agreement was that the East
20 Lake developer would have to build the rest of the road . Viola Miller .replied that it was not the Planning
? I Board that made that statement; the Town Board did- Mr. AI hem again stated drat it is his understanding
22 that Fest Lake ',you'd have or meet the road at the edge of this property.
0 'the second proposal is a request tirr permission to sell lot 2l prior to approval of this subdivision plan . Lot
21 would temporarily encompass the future woad in order to have legal access on Strugglers Path - As soon
Oh as this subdivision is approved , the property lines of lot 21 would revert to the lines es shown on the sub-
26 division map . Brad Griffin asked why they would go through this . Mr . Albern replied that it is anticipated
27 that it will take a while to get subdivision approval and there is a person interested in buyi.ng lot 2. 1 . marry
25 Sbarpsteen stated that the road frontage requirement in B2 is 100 feet, Mr. Albern stated then they cannot do
` 9 it . George Totrnan added that a flag lot could have less . Viola Mil ler said let ' s not talk about a flag lot , this
30 cannot be a Flag lot. George Totman stated that a flag lot is in the subdivision rules and they have to go by
31 the rules- Viola Miller Mated that it is only a flag lot when it +cannot be done in any other way . George
32 replied that is what they are talking about . David Lippert stated that ii. can be done another may , they caul
33 finish the division the way it is and then do it. Mr- Albern stated that as long as they have approval on those
34 Intl, there is no point .
35 Mr . Albern stated that there are two things they ask tonight. The first is approval of the sketch plan and the
36 second is consideration of this one lot 21 on e temporary besis -
37 t. arty Sharpsteen asked }what the average size of the lots in Lakewatch and East Labe . George Totnian
38 replied that he thinks they are % to 1 acre- Gregg Travis stated that he thinks on page 42 of the Subdivision
39 Voles and Regulations there is pertinent information about lots on a cul -de -sac, requiring a turnaround .
40 Tony Sherpstecn and George Totman both replied that there is a turnaround already in itIeee . George
41 Tatman explained that the driveway on lot Pt would come out on the turnaround . Gregg `.Travis Mated that '
42 according to this the minimum frontage rules are NP. he thinks it would be allowed . Viola Miller stated that
43 she hardly thinks they can talk about a flag lot at the serne time you are talking about creating it as a
44 subdivision, Lin Davidson suggested getting the plan together and he did not think Phase N would be that
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hard to put together.
46 Larry Sharpsteen stated that the biggest hurdle for either is that because it has been brought to the board in
47 this manner; he thinks they would have to have a hearing on in Therefore, it would he more cost effective
42 to just go for the }whole thing .
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Larry Sharpsteen stated that his concern would be for life-safety and emergency vehicle access and lie would
2 like to see some movement between Novalane and East Lake Subdivision to open that road . Larry added
3 that he was against New York State ' s preemptory decision not to allow access to this subdivision on the
4 main road and he feels very strongly against lumping nine more residences at the end of a cul -de-sac , which
5 is essentially what it would be if that road is not opened up, without alternate means of egress . Larry added •
6 that they do not allow it in a house , they should not allow it in a subdivision .
7 George Totman stated that if lie remembers correctly , the Town Board expressly stated to the Leathers that
8 when that was developed , they would have to open that up . Larry Sharpsteen replied that when that was
9 stated there was a principal of the subdivision on the Planning Board whom stated something to the effect of
ID ` We ' ll just see about that. " Brad Griffin asked if there was a record that supports the requirement. George
t t Tolman will bring it up to the Town Attorney to research and bring it: to the Town Board .
12 Brad Griffin stated that the concept of a temporary configuration seems confusing. Mr. Albers stated he
13 thought they should just throw that out. Brad Griffin replied that he sure does not like it . Mr. Albern said to
14 just forget about Lot 21 , his main request is for a sketch plan approval Smugglers Path west.
15 Brad Griffin asked if the original three lots were taken by two owners . Mr. Albers replied that that could be ,
16 he had heard a rumor to that effect . George Totman stated he would look it up to see if two lots sold to one
17 buyer.
18 Larry Sharpsteen stated that both he acid Jackie Baker drove down to look at the area . Larry stated that what
19 they are proposing here with the terrain that is in place , does not seem impossible . Viola Miller asked if they
20 would have enough room to build reasonably . Larry Sharpsteen stated that he would say so , they would not
21 have to put the house on stilts as much as the ones that are already in existence on East Lake. Brad Griffin
22 asked what the ballpark percentage was for the grade in that area . M.r. Ahern replied that he did not know.
23 but it was very steep. Mr. Albern added that there would not be any problem putting a home in there . Lin
24 Davidson stated that as long as they could get two septic tanks in there . Gregg Travis stated that is up to the
25 health department . Mr. Albers added that there have been several subdivisions that have not been able to
26 build on every lot .
27 Brad Griffin stated that taking this at face value , is there a sense of conceptual approval ? Larry Sharpsteen
28 stated if they had some assurance from the Town that there is a commitment to develop and maintain access
29 for life safety . Viola Miller stated that they have to have a commitment first , George Tolman suggested that
30 if that was their only problem say yes , contingent upon "Town Board requiring that road to be built. Brad
31 Griffin stated that would seem a reasonable proposal . Brad added that there would be two forks iii that
32 contingency . One would be if the Town would require that it be tacked to a calendar. The other would be
33 that there had to be some assurance that there would be a reasonable reaction from the other developer .
34 Larry Sharpsteen moved to give conceptual approval of the preliminary sketch plan contingent upon a
35 commitment with a calendar date from the Town Board requiring the development of the road . Lin
36 Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. Viola Miller abstained . MOTION CARRIED .
37 Mr. Alberti stated that he agreed with the contingency and thanked the board for their time.
38 Committee Reports (Cont.)
39 David Lippert stated that he did not have anything as Secretary, but that the did find out about Conrail being
40 sold . David stated that the best he could find out about who was cunning it was that it is a collective joint
41 operation consisting of Norfolk & Western and CSX .
42 Gregg Travis stated that he was not on any subcommittees , but that he would volunteer if needed .
43 George Tolman stated he did not have anything for the board .
44 Transporation- Brad Griffin stated that. regarding the transportation plan , he sent a handwritten summary of
415 his own thoughts to Fernando D 'Aragon . Brad stated that some of the connectors were not particularly well
46 chosen . Brad Griffin added that it had been said that if more buseswere run that it would somehow
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1 stimulate more ridership, but in his limited life of marketing anything, he is not sure that he has been able to
2 create a market by creating more of a supply .
0 Privilege of the Floor ( Pont)
aG Nancy Stage stated that it would be helpful to her if the Planning Board would introduce themselves to her
5 as they knew her, but she did not - Ireow them . The Board introduced themselves. Brad Griffin explained
6 that Ms . Stage is a resident of the land adjoining the proposed zoning change on an-en Road. Brad stated
7 that within the process that exists , the Planning Board met to determine if there was cause for e public
8 fearing regarding the coning change . Brad added that their ultimate decision was that there roes cause for
9 the public hearing; and made that recommendation to the Town Board, .Brad stated that the public hearing
ie was still in progress .
ii Ms, Stage stated that she understands that, but she has some questions, Mn Stage explained a little hit about
12 background and stated that she does bring some perspective of the planning process to her comments tonight
13 with the understanding that, in some respects, things will different in New York State , Ms. Mage explained
14 that it was her intention to bring some issues to the door for the Planning Board for discussion , Ms . Stage
15 added that it is also her intent not to walk away from this when it is over regardless of how things turn out.
16Ms . Stage stated that although some of her comments may seem harsh , they are only intended to provoke
17 serious discussion amongst the .Board . Ms . Stage stated that she has spent three days of her vacation time
I3 reading 10 years of Town Board minutes, readied 10 years of [' tanning Board minutes, and researching ten
If maps. Ms . Mage added that she has attended numerous `darca Board toeetiner , spent sleepless nights after
29 those meetings, and lies mitre observations , questions , and comments es to result .
21 Ms . Stage stated that time Planning Board has stent a great deal of time over the last 10 years developing and
22 revising Town Zoning Ordinances and they should be commended . Ms. Stage stated they have done the best
23 they could under the circumstances, and in most cases .
Ms. Stage stated that about five years sago she put en addition on her home and asked the Planning Board if
25 that cane before them . The Board responded that it did not . Ms . Mage asked what determines e
26 " neighborhood' "? Gregg Travis stated that the question would be is there e definition of neighborhood. The
27 board responded that there is not e definition . Larry Sharpsteen stated that they had looked into it, but the-
28 problem was that every individual on every subcommittee had a different idea of what e neighborhood was.
Ms. Stage stated that ono of the things that she has noticed is the berm on the Dutch Mill development. She
30 wondered if there were some considerations for something other than trees on berms and if so, what those
31 might be. Larry Sharpsleen responded that the berm , in his opinion, had settled about six feet. Larry stated
32 that they did that development tis a PD. A . Larry explained that although e P . D .A . gives them more teeth
33 than tite zoning ordinance , it does not have enough teeth to allow them to dictate plantings and hack it up,
34 Ms- Stagy stated that it does not seen to her that there is e tit-for- tat around somebody coating asking for e
35 particular zoning change in this particular town. Ms . Stage stated that there is not any negotiation , like yes
36 we will consider the zoning change if you will plant these trees and it is contingent. FIs. Stage stated she is
37 concerned about zoning changes into the future more than just her particular experience at this time .
35 . Ms. Stage asked the board if they felt they gave the question on ahanging the ming on the Steven ' s
39 property due consideration as it was not on the agenda that night- Ms . Stage stated she would appreciate it if
49 they would each answer individually- Jackie Baker stated that she would not say that she understood all of
5 I it. David Lippert stated that he would stand by the comments in the minutes . David Lippert added that
42 whether the liked time change was not the issue, it was one of the right to petition , and he voted in favor of the
43 right to petition. .Larry Shalpsteen stated that David had said it much better than he could have. Brad Griffon -
ftstated that would represent his views and he would sound by the record established. Viola Miller stated that
• what they should have given the 'i.Prnn Board was e rncotnmendatinn as to whether they thought the none
46 change } oar e good idea . bin Davidson stated timet he would go along with what Larry Sharpstecn and favid
47 Lippert said . Lin stated that it rias Town Board ' s decision , the Planning Board was just there , and there was
4R ai right of e citizen to petition for e chane .
6 Town of Lansing Planning Board, Jane 14. 1999
1 Nancy Stage stated that she does not disagree that somebody has the absolute right to ask for a change . but
2 she believes the Planning Board was being asked for a recommendation . Ms. Stage stated that is a
3 responsibility of this board. Brad Griffin stated that the sole question before them was whether or not there
4 should be a public hearing recommended in that matter. Ms . Stage asked if she could read the minutes ,
5 because they would probably need to change die minutes . Ms. Stage read from the minutes February 8 ,
6 1999 . Brad Griffin stated that it was done with the run knowledge that it had to go to public hearing. Ms .
7 Stage asked if everyone was clear now about what was stated in the minutes. Larry Sharpsteen stated that he
8 was.
9 Nancy Stage stated that it is not the question of the public hearing, it is that the minutes read "change . "
10 Larry Sharpsteen stated that since they do not have anything to say about whether or not it could be changed .
I 1 Viola Miller stated that she thinks they misunderstand the night George Totman brought this to them . Viola
12 stated that they were not supposed to be talking about whether they had a right to a public hearing because
13 obviously they had a right to go to public hearing. Viola stated that what they should have been talking
14 about was whether they would recommend such a change and it was not brought to them in that manner.
I5 Brad Griffin stated that the question for them that evening was whether there were grounds to move ahead
16 with the public hearing or whether there was reason to recommend denial . Brad stated that he would stand
17 by the record that there was not reason to deny public hearing . Ms. Stage replied that was fine, but that is
18 not the way the minutes read . Ms. Stage recommended that the minutes be con-ected . Brad Griffin replied
19 that they are not going to change the minutes to cover their tails. Ms . Stage asked that this all be a part of
20 tonight ' s record . iDavid Lippert stated that it is.
21 Ms . Stage stated that another point of confusion she had was that the zoning be the same on both sides of the
22 road in all places in the Town of Lansing. Ms. Stage stated that she was not sure where that originated .
23 Brad Griffin replied that it could have been a statement he made in which he indicated that at no time did lie
24 remember the Planning Board envisioning a system where they would have neighbors look across the road at
25 someone in a different zone . Ms . Stage asked if all those corrections have been made. Brad Ciriffr.n stated
26 that he did not follow her. Ms. Stage stated that there are numerous places on the map where that does not
27 occur, not just in this particular instance . Paul Butler stated that he believes the Town Board agreed to wait
28 a year before making any changes .
29 Nancy Stage stated that on approximately June 17 , 1998 , resident Al Lacko had a problem with this very
30 issue and you all corrected it at the time . Ms . Stage stated that she does not understand that if they were
31 looking at this issue as late as June 17 , 1998 , why they did not address it across the board , but rather they
32 moved forward and approved the zoning map as it exists now and created this problem today.
33 Ms. Stage asked if this property is zoned llZ, will the new owner have to go through site plan review . Viola
34 Miller stated that not unless it states that it does in the zoning ordinance. Viola stated that there are many
35 things which are allowed without site plan review, Ms. Stage stated that does not protect her. Ms. Stage
36 added that a majority of items refer to SC 802 . 0 . , which means they do not have to do anything other than
37 get George ' s approval and that does not protect her. • Ms . Stage asked that this board pursue changing the •
38 zoning ordinances.
39 Ms. Stage stated that she feels strongly there needs to be some part of this board that takes a look at the
40 airport . In reviewing their minutes , Ms. Stage has noticed that from time to time they mention the airport,
41 but no one seems to fully understands what all the Tompkins County land is really all about . Ms . Stage
42 stated that she thinks there needs to be a look at that and some clarification for the residents in that area . Ms.
43 Stage stated she would encourage them to do that .
44 Nancy Stage stated that she believes there are some conflict of interest issues that the Town Board and the
45 Planning Board need to address. Firstly, the issue that Thaler & Thaler represent the airport and die Town . -
46 and she believes a principal of the firm owns a large parcel of land on Wan-en Road . Secondly, the fact that
47 George. Totnnan is on the County Board of Representatives is consideration for conflict of interest . Thirdly . •
48 that the legislative board , the Town Board , has an appointed liaison to the Planning Board and she believes
49 this is the person that' really needs to carry the water between the two boards . Fourthly, that the legislative
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I board, the Town Board ; has effectively made this Planning Board so ineffective that it' s very existence
2 should be in question by the Planning Board members. Fifthly, the 'Planning Board is not functioning es a
� recommending body n arixig velopment Bill be compatible with the surroundings , The .blanking
' Board is not ensuring on the frontthat endetl of a request that it has supported any tit-for-tit development ensuring
5 property value conducive to land residences and forcing a speculative investor to shoulder appropriate risk
6 through site development prior to a zoning change . Ms . Mage stated that in review of the time line that most
7 of this recent radon has taken place, site believes there is a good old boy system governing the zoning or
8 Lansing_ Ms_ Stage challenged this body to begin to take a more professional and thoughtful approach to the
9 ongoing request, especially in light of the hard work they have fit into a comprehensive pian . Ms . Stare
Ed asked if it was appropriate for a Zoning official to carry the water for any requested change .
I ] .Nis- Stage thanked the board for their time and consideration. Jackie Bader asked if the board could have a
] 2 copy of her suggestions , Ms . Stages stated that they could, but she would like to correct typos and then she
13 would he glad to get them copies. Brad Griffin also suggested that to her benetit , she might delay that until
14 such time as the public hearing is concluded_ Ms . Stage responded that she would be happy to .
15 Nancy Stage stated that she did extensive research about the frontages, the number of lots cool everything 011
If Warren Road , She stated that on Warren Road in the Town of Lansing; there are 43 residential lots with a
l7 total Frontage of 11 , 723 feet , Ms_ Stage also stated that thea are 10 IR lots with a` total frontage of 6 ; 210
18 feet . Ms. Mage stated that the ratio of residences to industrial lots is 4 : 1 and tYte ratio of frontage is : 1 .
lb Vick .lfrized read a quote from the Planting Board Minutes of :February S, 1999 . Mt fthieed stated that in
21:P the minutes it reads that they were not against the change, Mr. Kri'ri.k said he spoke with George for e few
21 minutes and said that he did not think they would be interested in (being included in the change, but that he
22 would have to check with the rest of the family because it was in estate , NW krizek stated that they did get
23 together and he called George the next day and informed him that they were definitely not interested, that
24 they were against it. Mr , ICrizek stated that there needs to be a correction or a statement in the minutes that
these minutes are wrong, because they were against the change , Mr. Krizek stated that there was no
advantage 10 them to have it changed, is fact it would have a negative effect. Mr. Krizek stated that he felt
27 the Town Board should be made aware that these initlutes have to be corrected , Brad Griffin replied that he
22 was 5rm Mr. Krizek would give them some essence of that. Lin Davidson stated that, as lar es getting the
29 toothpaste back in the tube , he thinks Mr. Knack would have to do it in writing to the Town Board aid to Be
30 Planting Board_ Ms . Stage stated that they were in attendance tonight and she thinks this is the place to
31 start . Lin Davidson agreed . Ms, Stage thanked hart and stated that she would be happy to put it in writing.
32 Mr. Krizck stated that if you read Section 402 . 7 of the zoning ordinance, he sloes not see how the Tow n
33 Board can even consider approving this zoning change because it is going to dramatically change the
35 property value. of the arca , it is going to definitely change the neighborhood, and the fact that it is not going
35 to be compatible with the surrounding property,
36 Nancy Stage asked about the airport Clear zone es she was confused about exactly where it was. Viola
37 Miller stated that the lines are drawn nit the map .
38 Brad Griffin stated that the creation of a public hearing process gives them also the opportunity to hone these
39 arguments to their raid lest advantage . Ms. Stage stated that she tried to do that and attending tonight ' s
40 irlectieg mace to help her glean information for the next one ,
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42 OTITER BUSINESS
43 Goals •
I) 011 Brad Griffin stated be had asked the members to develop suggested goals and objectives for Planning Board
activities_
4d Viola Milker stated that het- goal would be to review the Comprehensive Plan, taking into consideration
47 actions of the Town during the past five years; as well as present plans for the immediate futmum_ Viola
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8 Town of Lansing Planning- Board, June 14, 1999
I added that probably most importantly would be as it relates to the inconsistencies between the zoning
2 ordinance and the present comprehensive plan . Viola Miller added that the Subdivision R.cgirlations should
3 be reviewed for some discrepancies that the Planning Board members have noticed .
4 Jackie Baker stated that she would emphasize the need of beauty, as the way she saw the Comprehensive 410
5 Plan saying that they should be paying attention to getting trees and getting trails . Jackie stated that she
6 wants Lansing to be a beautiful place. She stated that is the part she would like the Planning Board to keep
7 in mind . Jackie added that the lake revitalization , protecting the farmland , following up with land trusts are
8 the things that will give them their open space and keep the type of community that Lansing has been .
9 Larry Sharpsteen stated that for the three years that he was Chairman , he started the year with a concrete
10 insistence that they prepare at the five year juncture to review the Comprehensive Plan , but that it got pushed
i I to the side while they were working the ordinance . Larry added that they should also start their work on
12 road development . Larry stated that he would like to sit down with the Town Board again and go over what
13 their original intent was for site plan review. Larry stated that he does not care if the Town Board keeps - it
14 for themselves, but they should put some teeth in it. Brad Griffin summarized Larry ' s statements by saying
l5 that they should identify and summarize the errors in the ordinance and move them to the Town Board by
16 resolution. Larry Sharpsteen agreed and added that he thinks they have enough money to go over it again
17 with the consultant and get his comments again and compile them with their own and decide mechanically
18 what works and what does not work.
19 Lin Davidson stated that maps are the basis for all this . Lin added that they have a county office that can
20 generate the maps that they can work from .
21 David Lippert stated that his list went along with the part Jackie talked about in terms of dealing with the
22 things that pull them together. David stated that in the 21/4 years he has been on the board they have had to
23 deal - with what has been pulling them apart. It has been too much of a reaction , rather than of planning.
24 Gregg Travis stated that what he has in mind is that they have to stay informed of what is happening in the
25 county planning areas and also in the adjoining towns. Gregg wondered if they should ask the Town Board
26 what are the top 2 or three issues they would like the Planning Board to address .
27 Brad Griffin stated that during the tour of the town , Pete Larsen mentioned some county roads that might
2S better be town roads and town roads that might better be county roads . Brad stated that it seemed to him that
29 what Pete was talking about would be in the Town ' s interest . Brad added that it may be in the Town' s
30 interest to brace him again on it and have him organize that list .
31 Brad Griffin stated that he would like to put together a list of these goals and objectives and send it around to
32 get some sense of priority .
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34 Miscellaneous-
35 Brad Griffin stated that speaking as the Chairman , he owes a debt to the guest tonight for reminding him
36 how important a record can be.
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37 Paul Butler stated that they are still negotiating on the Town Hall . Paul added that as far as beautifying the
38 Town, he tried last fall to put some money in the budget to put up American flags on the main roads, but
39 they did not have enough money in the budget to do so .
40 Larry Sharpsteen stated that as long as they are discussing flags , there is something that has bothered him for
41 a long time . Larry stated that he thinks the Town of Lansing should either stop flying the American ' ilag,
42 bring it down at night and treat it like it is supposed to be treated or put a light on it. Larry added that it is
43 federal law that if it is left aloft over night it Lias to have a light on it. Larry stated that if they can leave~a
44 light on a sign board for the park, they can put a light on the American ' tlag . Paul Butler and Lin Davidson •
45 agreed . Paul stated that he would bring it up to the town Board .
9 Town of Lansitm. Planning- Board, June 14, 1999
I Brad Griffin stated that Joan , From the County Planning .Department , created a little map for him . Brad
2 stated that the snap is a color depiction of what the larger map vyPould Cook like with a scale of 1 : 12 ,000 . The
board discussed getting the map and overlays and have the map mounted on loam board- Matt Shu [ man
asked it' they would order one for lion and he would pay for it.
5 Brad Griffin moved to adjourn at 9 ; 45 PM. Un Davidson seconded- VOTE ; ALL 1 1 :FA MOTION
a CARRIED UNANLIVfOIJ Ly ,
7 The next meeting is scheduled for July 1. 2 , 1999 . •
Submitted by Robin Cornell ,