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2 Town of Lansing
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3 Monday, December 1 , 1998 ; 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
5 ( ' Denotes piescnt}
6 r Viola Miller. Chair * lacoba Baker
7 Lany Sharpstccn * Brad Griffin
8 * Litt Davidson * Al White
9 * David Lippert
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11 * Paul Butler, Town Councilman
12 * George Tounan, Zoning and Code Enforcerncnr Officer
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14 PUBLIC PRESENT
15 Jim Hansen
16 Karl Heck
17 Scott & Tracey Pinney
Robert Walpole
Matt Shulman
20 ENOL BUSINESS
21 Viola Miller called the meeting to order at 7 : 31 pm .
22 improv � l of Minutes of 1 lavcmber 9, 1998- Page 1 , Line 36. . .Jackie Baker corrected. . .in Dryden
23 Ithaca they did . . .Page 2, Line 37. . . Brad Griffin stated . . . people in Ellis Hollow and Forest Hornc_ , .Line
24 39. . . Brad Griffin added . . . periods of time and, on the other hand, people wanted to remove the traffic
25 from their residential areas _ . ,Lines I2- / 3 . . . David Lippert added _ _ .have some particular issues in
26 Lansing. . .Line 14 . . . Viola Miller stated Cayuga Heights does not have a Town Boarcl _ _ , Jackie Baker
27 stated it should be changed to Village Board . . . Lines 29 & 30. . . Larry Sharpsteen clarified . . . if the Town
28 did not develop it. . .private landowners would be liable for the people whom miglht:or might not be
29 injured on the land . . . Page 3, Ling 2„ .Viola Miller corrected _ „ Tompkins County Transportation . . .Line
30 . . . Larry Sharpsteen clarified . . . ihe allocation of funds played very well for the media _ , .Li, w 24 „ lin
31 Davidson added _ „ need to have those paper road easernents . . .Page 4, Line / O. . . Viola Miller
32 corrected . Jt affects the things . _ _Line 2 / . . . does not want to argue_ _ _ Lin Davidson moved to accept the
33 minutes as amended. David Lippert seconded_ VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED
34 UNANIMOUSLY,
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36 NEW USINESS
Portland. Point .Project Update- Viola Miller welcomed Jim Hansen , Karl Heck , and Scott & Tracey
38 Pinney and thanked diem for coming, Jim Hansen stated the County Planning Department got involved
39 on the project through the Small Cities Corm-nuuity Development Block Grant Program _ The program
40 has been broadened to include Canal Corridor initiatives, This initiative includes the communities along
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, December 19, 1995
1 the barge canal to program recreation enhancements and tourism and economic development . Jim
2 Hansen stated that they would be following the HUD guidelines for the project . Jim explained the
3 project as a commercial development on the lakeshore including a 70 slip marina , lakeside restaurant, •
4 banquet facility, a building housing a convenience store and a building housing showers and restroom
5 facilities and boat storage and repair. Jim stated the site is about 12 acres and lends itself to this type of
6 development. Jim stated they would be moving into a phase soon where the County Attorney and the
7 Comptroller will be involved because the County will be in business of lending money to the project .
8 Prior to the County' s involvement and commitment, there are a number of criteria that has to be satisfied
9 by the DEC . The DEC is the Lead Agency in the project . In addition there is a federal environmental
10 program they have to satisfy call NEPA (National Environment Protection Agency) .
t 1 Karl Heck explained that the loan is a $ 1 .2 million loan to the County, which they will loan out . The
12 County has to pay the principal back so it is a little different than the small state grants where the
13 community does not have to pay it back. There is a special obligation where the County has to make
14 sure it is paid back. Everything on the financial end will be looked at a little more rigorously.
15 Jim Hansen stated that he thinks this is a good project. Jim added that he has sailed for a number of years
16 and has always admired the area of the project . Viola Miller asked if there is anything else like it . Jim
17 replied that he did not think there is another place like it in the area. Viola stated that Jim had mentioned
18 70 slips, but she had heard there would be 135 slips . Scott Pinney stated there may be some confusion,
19 there are going to be 70 slips which would be room for 140 boats .
20 Scott Pinney showed the Planning Board the prints of the project. Scott explained that the construction
21 is all west of the railroad track and the marina will extend into the water about 250 feet. Scott stated the
22 depth of the water is about 85 feet deep , so there would be a whole system of floating docks . Scott
23 stated they were going to renovate the existing building for boat storage and repair. Scott explained the •
24 convenience store and stated they would have gas pumps on one of the docks and pump out stations for
25 the large boats for their sewage which will be pumped up the hill . The restaurant will be enclosed but
26 only open seasonal . Viola Miller asked if there would be any accommodations for overnight stays .
27 Scott responded that there would not, possibly in the future , but that would be a long way away. The
28 banquet facility would be a pole barn for casual banquets .
29 Lin Davidson asked what percent of the payroll would be employed during October through March and
30 what percentage would be seasonal . Scott Pinney replied that he did not have the figures right in front of
31 him , but he thinks it will be four or five people year-round and about 65 people total for the summer
32 months . Lin asked what percentage of local people that would be storing their boats here verses out of
33 town . Scott replied that they did a small market study and found die majority would be from out of
34 town .
35 Viola Miller stated that the reason they requested this presentation was so that they could get a better
36 understanding of the type of businesses they will have and how it is fitting in with the things that are
37 around it . Viola stated the Planning Board ought to be thinking about the land surrounding it and what
38 could go in around it . Jim Hansen stated Mike I3arylski , die DEC Director, felt that Scott removing the
39 towers and replacing it with a low profile recreational use was a positive and an appropriate use .
40 Al White stated that he feels this project has been damaged a little by the press because the press releases
41 have said this is a grant . Al said the taxpayers feel they are supporting a private institution , but Mr.
42 Heck was very clear that this is a loan . Al feels that this point should be brought out into the open .
43 Brad Griffin asked how they went about tearing down the cement towers . Scott Pinney explained that •
44 they bought a crane with a 150 foot boom, and used a one ton ball to swing at the towers , starting at the
45 top . Scott explained that they then used an excavator to break the concrete into little pieces and separate
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t the stool . Scott said they sold the steel and utilized most of the concrete on site . Scott explained that
402 they hope to start construction next summer and have it completed by, Spring 2000 .
3 The hoard thanked Jim Hansen , Kari Heck and Scott Pinney for taking the time for the presentation
4 which gave them a better understanding of the project .
s Viola Miller asked the Board if them were any comments on the presentation . Viola Miller stated that
0 she feel they should be looking to see if they have it zoned the way it should be . Lin Davidson stated he
7 feels it is a big step in developing tourism and it is a great spot to raise revenue for the Town. Lin added
that they should work together to have en attractive town - Larry Sharpsteen stated based on what he
9 seen in the Boston area, a lot of the east coast, and around the fake , this use is not incompatible with an
it industrial area . Brad Griffin stated when he hears a presentation like this, he tends to put himself in their
1. 1 shoes and think about the kinds of consideration they would make in a business like this . Brad stated he
12 wouid wonder about what kind of conflicts would you get, operating a place like this next to a sah mine .
13 David Lippert stated they should also consider the traffic going in and out of there if it were to be
14 developed even mom down there as there is only one way in and out .
15 Proposed Kirby Subdivision - Goodman Road , Tan Map #d0 .- 1 -8 . d- Robert Walpole stated the
t 6 Board members have a map of the three unit subdivision located on Goodman Road which corresponds
17 with one lot that was sold earlier this year, which would make it e four lot subdivision . Larry Sharpsteen
18 asked if there was already a four lot subdivision there , Mr . Walpole explained that there was a two lot
19 subdivision about 100 feet to the west and around the comer there was a two lot subdivision on Luce
to Road . The board discussed the location of those subdivisions- Lang Sharpsteen stated they were talking
31 about six lots on a contiguous tax parcel , which makes it no longer a minor subdivision . Lin Davidson
22 stated that is why ddr. Walpole is here for a major subdivision,
te Al White asked if there have been any pert tests done on that property . Mr . Walpole replied that there
24 has not been any since January . Al White stated that because this grades to the east, he would feel pretty
25 good about lots 3 and d . Al White stated that the other lots , he is not sum about because of drainage . Al 1
26 White stated that every year a tractor used to get stuck there because there was always water them . Al
27 added that it was sold as a building let so tractors no longer go down there . Larry Sharpsteen stated that
28 the problem with the west end of the field is that there is a high spot between the road and the creek.
29 Viola asked if there was a ditch along Goodman Road, Larry Sharpsteen replied that there is not a ditch
70 on either side, you can drive right fi-oin the road into the field . Viola Miller asked if they put in any
31 subdivisions there, would it mean that they will have to begin providing drainage studies? Larry 1
32 Sharpsteen stated that would be his concern filch the standpoint that you are building houses and
33 covering ground area. AI White stated that just past the first let, a ditch starts and goes from there all the
'°': . 34 way down to the plat on Goodman Road . Laoy Sharpstecn stated that because the side toward the road
34 is high, the ground drains away to the back. The problem would he when the back lots are sold and
36 developed because the drainage from the front lots will go towards the south .
37 Al White stated that as much as he is apposed to strip development, it meets all the requirements for the
3s Town of Lansing Subdivision Regulations . Larry Sharpsteen stated that the only thing he can say for
03 future boards is to hear in mind that when more of this suldivisian is developed, lots developed on the
40 south side of the property will be taking the runoff from the north side of the property . Al White agreed .
4 ] Al White stated that the creek shown on the map is intermittent but in past years ago it was not
42 intermittent. Viola Miller stated that she worries about the situation with water because years ago they
43 were forced to condone a subdivision that met the requirements even though they knew there was no
water, Viola Miller stated that they have heard nothing but complaints from the people that has moved
45 there that there is no potable water. Al White stated that in the past ten years there has been I 0 new 1
46 homes in the area and there has been a noticeable decrease in the water, Al added that with a 25 %
47 increase they can expect even more of a decrease.
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Town of Lansing Planning Board December 14 / 998
1 Al White read the SER. Larry Sharpsteen moved to waive the topo and drainage studies and declare a
2 negatire declaration . Tin Davidson seconded _ VOTE : ALL EN FAVOR. MOWAN CARRIED
3 UNANIMOUSLY, Al White moved In accept the subdivision as presented with the waiver and set a
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L1 public hearing. dewy Sharpsteen seconded , VOTE ; ALL IN FAVOR, PvIOTION CARRIED
5 UNANIMOUSLY- Tile public hearing was set for Januar} ] I , 1999 .
6 PrivilaTe of the Floor- Matt Shulman asked if there are any board members whose term will be expiring
r at the end of the year. Viola Miller stated that there is , but she does not have that information in front of
8 her . George Totman told Matt to call him in the morning and he would give him that information ,
9 report from Officers and t'onimittces -
19 Viola Miller stated she has a copy of ide new Village of Lansing Comprehensive Plan . She stated she
11 has not had a chance to read it and asked if anyone would like to take it home to go over it . Viola staled
12 that the Village has asked for any comments on it .
3 Viola stated that she ]las a survey from the Tompkins County intermunicipel Cable Commission . Viola
14 stated that they have many questions they would like answered, but she does not have cable, Viola
15 asked if anyone who has cable would like to answer the questions, David Lippert stated that he would
15 fill it out,
17 Viola stated that everyone on the board has a copy of the Lake Source Cooling newsletter, Viola asked
18 For any comments . Brad Grin stated he was curious about where the title derives from . Brad stated he
[ 9 is referring to the use being given to Ithaca of the northern point of the property to develop ase little
20 mini parte. Brad stated that he does edt know whether that is being given or what, He does not know
2i what the foundation of title is or was . .Larry Sharpsteen stated that he thinks the technology is sound _
22 Larry stated that he has two objections 10 the project as a whole . The first is the way that it was being
23 donees far as Iimiting the area of input to just the southern and of the lake because there are going to be
24 a lot more people affected by this - The second is that he has It problem with one institution
25 monopolizing a resource that we all pay for. AI White stated that what he is most concerned with is that
26 assurances have been given that it is not going to alter the thermalcline of the fake - Al explained the
27 process Connell will be using . Al stated that there is 110 reason to suspect that the small amount of water
28 that Cornell is going to disturb is going to have an affect on the lake. Al White stated that if they are
29 willing to make the investment, it is worth the minimal risk that it may alter the therrnaleline,
30 'Treasurer-Jackie Baker stated that she will receive a report Frain Sharon Borman atter the first of the
31 year.
32 Trails- Jackie stated that there is still money ova{ieble to set up new trails and the amount seems to be
33 growing every year. The board discussed some ti+ssib ] e areas for trails and some of their concerns
34 regarding the Town ' s and}or property owners ' liability,
35 Transportation — Brad Griffin called Larry Sharpsteen attention to the memo to Mayor Cohen dated
36 November 13 , 1995 . Brad reviewed the letter regarding transportation and intermunicipal sower. Brad
32 Griffin pointed out that the two extremes they have seen On the transportation committee are to move
3s substantial numbers of axles per hour in a safe and efficient way verses people interested in exclusively
cc to get cars to go away . Brad stated this has become a rather predominant interest in the hearings they
40 have attended .
41 Lin Davidson added that the neighborhood theme is still big- Lin stated the working group has gone
42 ahead with looking at crosscutting alternatives .
43 D . E .C .- Larry Sharpsteen stated that there is no EMC meeting in December .
tt Seg - erry stated that Paul Butler probably knows more about that than he does because the sewer
45 committee only convenes now when they receive information from the Town Board . Lain said as lie
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i understands it, there is no information to be had . Pau ] Butler replied that they are still waiting . Larry
Istated he would like to letow front the Town Board whether there has been any progress getting the
Watchtower Society to sign the contract for the 91 . 5 million , Paul Butter stated they have contacted
a them a few times , but have not gotten any action Barn them yet . There has been no answer and no
5 signature.
6 Matt Shulman stated that at some time , someone had eon-Tiled e list of area businesses _ Matt asked
7 whether the Planning Board had done this . Larry Sharpsteen stated that fist is probably obsolete, but e
8 survey could be done to update. The board decided that should be something they bring up to discuss et
9 a future meeting .
to Appointment ofNominatingCommittee- Viola Mil ] erappointed Larry Sharpsteenaschair ofthe
i I nominating committee , Viola then asked Jackie Baker and David Lippert to also serve on t]tat
12 committee. The election will be held at the January meeting .
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i 4 OTHER BUSINESS
1 5 AI White moved to adjourn et 9 ; 34 PM_ Larry Sharpsteen seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR;
16 MOTION! CARRIED UNANTEvIOUSp ,
t 7 The next meeting is scheduled for January 11 , 1999 ,
l8 Submitted by Robin Cornell ,