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Approximate Time : Agenda topics
7 : 30 PM Open Meet inu- Approve. Atigusc Milli/1 (n
Privilege of the floor
7 :45 PM Paul Kcntpes - Sketch Nan Review
8 : 00 PM Kristna & Luis fvlauleoli - Consolidation (1f3 lots into one- Cayuga i-[ ighlarncis
8 : 15 PM Discussion on l iiclgei
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3 Monday , September 21 , 1998 ; 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
4 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
5 (* Denotes present)
6 • Viola Miller, Chair Jacoba Baker ii
7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Brad Griffin
8 Lin Davidson Al White
9 * David Lippert
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1 1 * Paul Butler, Town Councilman
12 * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
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14 PUBLIC PRESENT
15 Luis & Kristin Mauleon 25 Waterview Circle
16 Paul Kempkes 138 Brickyard
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0 GENERAL BUSINESS
Viola Miller called the meeting to order at 7 : 30 PM .
20 Review of Minutes of July 13 , 1998 - Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the minutes as presented .
21 David Lippert seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
22 Review of Minutes of August 10, 1998- Larry Sharpsteen rephrased his statement on Page 2 , Line 35 to
23 read . . .a couple more steps for a major subdivision . David Lippert moved to accept the minutes as
24 amended . Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED
25 UNANIMOUSLY .
26 NEW BUSINESS
27 Privilege of the Floor - Viola Miller stated there was no one from the public present at this time . Viola
28 stated they would continue on with the agenda. .
29 Paul Kempkes , Sketch Plan Review- George Totman explained that Paul Kempkes would like to
30 divide his property into three lots. George stated that this property was previously three lots, then
31 consolidated into one before Mr. Kempkes purchased it . Mr. Kempkes would like to divide it again into
32 three lots . George told Mr. Kempkes to come in tonight for a sketch plan review and the Planning Board
33 could give him direction then he could come in to the October meeting with a formal subdivision
34 application. Paul Kempkes gave copies of a map of the property to the Board members and explained
35 that he would like to sell 2 building lots. Larry Sharpsteen asked where the access to the building lots
36 were going to be . Mr. Kempkes stated it would be from Brickyard Road, or lot #3 could also be
ipapproached from the gravel driveway. Larry Sharpsteen stated that there is a very steep bank along the
road . Viola Miller asked whether there was any other way to approach the lots . Larry Sharpsteen stated
39 that the only other way is via the gravel drive with private easements . Larry recognized that is not really
40 a legal action, but stated the law says the lot must have frontage on a public road, but questioned whether
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it states that the access has to be via that road frontage. Lany asked George if that was correct. George
2 stated that Town Law says that the state requires 15 feet of access to the property on a public road .
3 George stated that they have to be able to get to it with emergency vehicles. George stated that if Mr. •
4 Kempkes comes back with a map showing each lot with at least 150 feet of road frontage, they could
5 pass it. How they elect to get to that property, George does not feel is anyone else ' s business . Larry
6 Sharpsteen agreed . George stated that to get to it through the back door, as Larry suggested , would
7 probably be safer.
8 Brad Griffin asked Paul Kempkes, in his estimation, what is the height of the bank on either parcel 2 or
9 3 ? Paul said it is real steep, but did not know the height. It was estimated to be about 30 feet. Larry
to Sharpsteen stated that safety is a consideration when doing a subdivision . Viola Miller stated that the •
1 Board can give a variance on a subdivision if they find it is a safer exit . Brad Griffin stated he hoped
12 Mr. Kempkes can see the value of having a safe and easy access . George Totman stated Mr. Kempkes
13 will bring an accurate map and have the topo information to the October meeting. Larry Sharpsteen
14 stated that another thing he should consider is drainage because it is so steep there . Mr. Kempkes
15 thanked the Board for their input .
16 Consolidation of 3 Lots , Kristna &. Luis Mauleon , Tax Map ti 36.- 1404 , 105 , & 106-
17 George Totman gave an overview of the reasons for combining the lots . George Totman stated that
18 Kristna & Luis Mauleon would like to build a house on one of the lots, but the area where the septic
19 would need to be is on another lot, therefore the lots need to be combined . They own 3 lots so they
20 would like to have all three combined . Lary Sharpsteen stated he would have no problem with it. Brad
21 Griffin asked Kristna to show the Board where the gully is located on the map . Kristna explained where
22 the gully is located . Brad Griffin stated in the past they had problems with a septic system being planned
23 in the area where the gully is located . Kristna responded that is where it was proposed, but they did the
24 perc tests there and it failed . Kristna explained that is the reason they would like to site it on die other
25 lot .
26 Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the consolidation of the 3 lots and to waive the public hearing,
27 referring to the SEQR done on the initial subdivision as this is reversing the density. Brad Griffin
28 seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
29 Kristna Mauleon thanked the Board . George Totman stated there is some paperwork to be filled out and
30 the subdivision fee paid . They need to have the drawing stamped by the Planning Board Chairperson
31 and file with the county. Mrs. Mauleon will call George next week.
32 Review of Budget- Viola Miller stated that they had discussed it before and thought they would not
33 need much in the way of professional help next year. Viola added that after spending some time on it
34 and spending some time at the institute, she feels strongly that they need to do some review of the
35 Comprehensive Plan . The Board discussed where the professional fees would be included in the budget.
36 The Board reviewed the rest of the Planning Board budget. Viola asked if everyone found the budget
37 satisfactory. Brad Griffin responded that he did not find it satisfactory because he did not understand it.
38 George Totman stated he would get it clarified and get back to them . Viola Miller stated she would also
39 speak with Sharon.
40 Discussion on Zoning Ordinance- Viola Miller stated that she had contacted Tom Niederkorn to
41 review the Zoning Ordinance . Viola Miller read the letter from Tom explaining his concerns with the
42 Ordinance.
43 Viola stated Tom ' s first concern is with the Cellular Tower Ordinance, which the Planning Board did •
44 not work with . Larry Sharpsteen asked Paul Butler if the Town Board is aware that the Town can
45 garnish income if cellular towers are put on Town land . Larry stated that all costs including consultant
46 fees should be paid by the applicant. Paul stated he knew they could charge rent on the space . Larry
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Sharpsteen stated that they can start charging at $ t 000 per month and go up from there . Larry added that
ityou can also tax the equipment, not the towers , but the equipment which is valued at about $ 500 ,000,
Larry stated he attended the Planning Seminar in Rochester and has notes and a business card which he
4 will bring in for Paul ,
5 Viola Miller stated that the people representing the Planning Federation stated that Site Plan Reviews
s should, without question , be reviewed by the Planning Board with the Town Board having the final say,
7 Viola noted that Tom Viederkom also made a comment on this . Viola also added that most site plans
s are, by lain, supposed to be referred to the County, Brad Griffin stated that, by state law, municipalities
9 are given authority for zoning _ Viola Miller stated that they had a big discussion on the subdivision on
10 Ant-tune Ridge _ Viola stated that when they ran into that problem, they should have referred it to the
ii County. Viola added that is the type of thing the County is more interested in than anything else . Brad
1s Griffin asked if a subdivision is on a County road , are they required to send the application to the
is County, and if so, do they have to wait 30 days to act on it? George Totman stated yes, they have to
14 send the application too the County. Them are two ways to handle it. First , you can wait for the County
15 decision , if they vote against it, the Planning Board can override it by a majority plus one . Second , they
16 could start working on it, hold a public hearing and by the time they would be ready to vote /n it, they
17 would most likely have the County ' s decision.
/ 8 Larry Sharpsteen asked if e SEQR was ever done on the Zoning Ordinance. George Totman replied that
19 one had been done .
20 Viola Miller referred to the first problem as stated in Tom Viederhorn ' s letter. Viola stated the problem
21 is with Schedule I, references to 802 . 0 . Tom indicateddiose are non-references and should be changed
22 to "P" or the 802 .0 should be given a suffix number , George Tatman explained the Town Board ' s
40 thought was that rather than jest putting a "P", they wanted the applicant make sure the Zoning Officer
goes over it to make sure it meets the codes . Brad Griffin stated that Susan Brack gave a very thoughtful
25 view problems , but he always felt that the most useful list of problem areas would arise from people
26 coming to the Code Enforcement (.freer to discuss their difficulties in understanding what is expected
27 of them under the Ordinance . Brad suggested that i / a log of these things were kept, after a year or so it
28 could be reviewed to see if a change is required .
29 Lorre Sharpsteen gave the evarnple of a warehouse, where he Feels they have made a mistake . In the
re Ordinance for B I it lists Sen. 802 . 0 . , which does not list any special conditions for warehouses _ George
31 stated that if there are not any specific conditions listed it would be allowed as long as it met the
32 conditions ire Schedule It _ Larry Sharpsteen stated that if a warehouse was to go through site plan
33 review, they would know they would be allowed only have 2 curb cuts. George Tatman explained that
34 curb cuts are determined by the Highway Department and the Town Board felt that they did not want to
35 put regulation on regulations, Larry Sharpsteen stated that what he was trying to say, by way of
36 illustration, is that the way this ordinance ie written leaves it open to the interpretation of the Zoning
37 Officer, leaves the Town apse for the type of inconsistency, or perception of inconsistency, that could
3s lead the Town to a lawsuit_
35 Viola Miller suggested they take a serious look at the things which Tom Viederkorn has suggested may
so he oversights. Larry Sharpsteen asked Paul Butler if they did this , would the Town Board be receptive?
41 Paul Butler responded that he felt the down Board would be receptive . Brad Griffin asked if the
42 Planning Board had shared the memo from Tom with the `idem Board, Viola Miller stated no, she had
43 wanted to review it with the Planning Board first. Rave Lippert agreed with Brad Griffin ' s suggestion
1about making a list and at some point down the road , go through it one by one to determine if it could
4 have been done another way to avoid having those problems _ Viola Miller asked the members of the
as Planning Board to review the Ordinance. David Lippert stated they need to acknowledge that in some
47 things , there is definitely e difference of opinion between the Planning Board and the Room Board . Viola
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Miller stated that in the past, the Town Board has taken the Planning Board ' s suggestions into
2 consideration .
3 Follow Up on Roads- Viola Miller stated they were going to follow up on roads, but she feels they •
4 should take a look at the Comprehensive Plan and work from it in looking at roads . Viola Miller stated
5 that she does not have a copy of the Comprehensive Plan . She stated she has a draft copy, but does not
6 think they were distributed after it was accepted by the Town Board . Larry Sharpsteen stated he did not
7 have a copy either. George Totman stated that he could make copies for them .
8 Report from Committee Chairs & Officers -
9 EMC - Lanny Sharpsteen stated the State Conference was held in Ithaca on September 11 & 12 .
to Apparently, it went well . In the future, the EMC is going to try to have themselves viewed more
11 seriously as a useful organ of the County Board . Brad Griffin stated that when lie was a member of that
12 hoard , he had accepted an appointment to that board with the understanding that it was an advisory body
13 to the County Board . In the little over a year that he was a member of that Board , the County never
14 asked for anything and he did not see any reason to sit around waiting for them to ask . Larry Sharpsteen
15 stated that regarding the Lake Source Cooling, there has been a broader spectrum of people coming
16 forth, albeit a little late , with comments and question .
17 OTHER BUSINESS
18 David Lippert asked George Totman if he was going to be talking to Paul Kempkes again before he
19 comes in again . George replied that he would be speaking with him . David said that George may want
20 to suggested to Paul that there is a map at T. G . Miller' s, and he was pretty sure it had the topography on
21 it that would go all the way down to David ' s lot lines. Viola Miller asked if it would save Mr. Kempkes
22 and the Planning Board a lot trouble if he , as far as drainage and as far as driveways, would talk to the
23 County before coming back to see the Planning Board . Brad Griffin stated he would be reluctant to steer S
24 someone to go see them if they are going to provide the Planning Board with their comments unless it is
25 very complicated . Viola Miller stated she suggested it because it is such a steep area that it might not be
26 wise to put driveways there . David Lippert added that there are some pretty nasty ditches on that side of
27 the road .
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29 Brad Griffin stated there was quite a lot of stuff in their correspondence . Brad read a letter from Rich
30 John regarding the Ron Seacord development . The other members of the Planning Board stated they had
31 not received a copy of that letter. Brad stated the first point he wanted to make was that Rich should not
32 apologize if there is something more for them to learn about it, Brad is sure they would all be amenable
33 to that . The second point he wanted to make was that the Town and the Planning Board does have a
34 responsibility in the SEQR document to review whether any aesthetic, agricultural , archeological ,
35 historic, or other resources are involved . Brad stated , for the record, that the fact that Seacord was not
36 driven into the arms of an unemployed archeologist is in no small way an oversight. In his thoughts it
37 was really not a site that they could reasonably expect would have been important from an archeological
38 standpoint. Brad stated that the question is asked of this Board , not of Mrs . Pierpont. Brad stated that
39 while the State can be critical how the Town does those sort of things , Brad stated that he feels that
40 historic office uses the D . E . C . as a sort of bogeyman to take developers by the heels and shake them
41 until money comes out to hire unemployed archeologists . Brad stated that he resented that when he
42 worked for the D . E .C. and he resents it now. Brad Griffin stated that there are some sites he would be
43 very sensitive to the importance of doing that, but the Seacord development was not one of them . Brad
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44 stated that it was not an omission on his part. David Lippert stated that if they reviewed the minutes,
45 they would find that they had raised some questions about it. David stated that they discussed the
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r railroad bed , so they did go over it before they came up with the answer to that question . David said it
40 was discussed , they have to do it each time.
Viola Miller stated that when they attended the Planning Federation seminar, Jackie Baker brought up
4 the fact that they go over the SEQR very fast, and there are perhaps some cases where they need to give
5 it a little more thought.
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7 Report from the Town Board Liaison- Paul Butler stated Steve Farkas is on en interim appointment
8 on the Town Board . Paul added that Steve will be standing for election in November. As far as they
e know he is unopposed at this time . Viola Miller stated that Steve wanted to be on the Board because he
to feels there are some excellent boards in this town and in the future, he feels the Town Board will be
1 a working with them more closely _ Brad Griffin stated when Steve attended hearings and such, his
12 remarks showed a keen interest in the town _
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I4 Larry Sharpsteen moved to adjourn at 9 : 19 hhf . Brad Griffin seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR;
is MOTION CARREED U lAAIi IVUSL ,
16 The next meeting is scheduled for October 12 , 1998 .
is Submitted by Robin Cornell .
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TownLansing
Monday , September 21 , 1998 ; 7 : 30 PM PLANNING BOARD
a PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
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6 * Viola Miller, Chair Jacobs Baker
7 * Larry Sharpsteen * Brad Griffin
7 Lin Davidson Al White
7 David Ldyperr
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I 1 * Paul Butler, Town Councilman
12 * George Totrnan , Toning and Code Enforcement Officer
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14 PUBLIC PRESENT
15 Lois & I risme Mauleen 25 Waterview Circle
Id deal Tempkes 138 i7ricicyurd
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0 GENERAL BUSINESS
Viola Miller called the meeting to order at 7 : 30 PM .
20 Review of Minutes of July Id, 1. 990 - Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the minutes as presented .
21 David Lippert seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIED OMANIMOU L .
22 Review of Minutes of August 19 ,_ 1998- Larry Sharpsteen rephrased his statement en Page 2, Line 35 to
23 read . . . e couple more steps for a major subdivision_ David Lippert moved to accept the minutes as
24 amended , Lam Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE : ALL SN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIED
25 UNANIMOUSLY_
26 NEW BUSINESS
27 Privilege of the Floor - Viola Miller stated there was no one from die public present at this time . Viola
28 stated they would continue on with the agenda.
29 ' Real Kempkes , Sketch Plan Review- George Totnrau explained that Paul Nompkes would like to
Is divide his property into three lots . George stated that this property was previously three lots , then
31 consolidated into one before Mr. Kemphes purchased it. Mr. tempkes would like to divide it again into
32 three lots . George told Mr. Kempkcs to come in tonight for a sketch plan review and the Planning Board
33 could give him direction then ho could come in to the October meeting with a donna! subdivision
34 application . Pahl Kempkea gave copies ode map ofthc property to tire Board members and explained
35 that he would like to sell 2- building lots . Larry Sharpsteen asked where the access to the building lots
36 were going to be. Mr. Von stated it would be from Brickyard Road , or lot hi could also be
approached from the gravel driveway. Larry Sharpsteen stated that them is a very steep bank along the
road. Viola Miller asked whether there was any other way to approach the Iota . Larry Sharpsteen stated
39 that the only other way is via the gravel drive with private easements . Larry recognized that is not really
40 a legal action, but stated the law says the lot must have frontage on a public road, but questioned whether
2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, August 10, 1998
it states that the access has to be via that road frontage. Larry asked George if that was correct. George
2 stated that Town Law says that the state requires 15 feet of access to the property on a public road .
3 George stated that they have to be able to get to it with emergency vehicles . George stated that if Mr.
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4 Kempkes comes back with a map showing each lot with at least 150 feet of road frontage, they could
5 pass it . How they elect to get to that property, George does not feel is anyone else ' s business . Larry
6 Sharpsteen agreed . George stated that to get to it through the back door, as Larry suggested , would
7 probably be safer.
8 Brad Griffin asked Paul Kempkes , in his estimation, what is the height of the bank on either parcel 2 or
9 3 ? Paul said it is real steep, but did not know the height. It was estimated to be about 30 feet. Larry
10 Sharpsteen stated that safety is a consideration when doing a subdivision . Viola Miller stated that the
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1 I Board can give a variance on a subdivision if they find it is a safer exit . Brad Griffin stated he hoped
12 Mr. Kempkes can see the value of having a safe and easy access . George Totman stated Mr. Kempkes
13 will bring an accurate map and have the topo information to the October meeting. Larry Sharpsteen
14 stated that another thing he should consider is drainage because it is so steep there. Mr. Kempkes
15 thanked the Board for their input .
16 Consolidation of 3 Lots , Kristna & Luis Mauleon , Tax Map # 36. 1 - 104 , 105, & 106-
17 George Totrnan gave an overview of the reasons for combining the lots. George Totman stated that
18 Kristna & Luis Mauleon would like to build a house on one of the lots , but the area where the septic
19 would need to be is on another lot, therefore the lots need to be combined . They own 3 lots so they
20 would like to have all three combined. Larry Sharpsteen stated he would have no problem with it . Brad
21 Griffin asked Kristna to show the Board where the gully is located on the map. Kristna explained where
22 the gully is located . Brad Griffin stated in the past they had problems with a septic system being planned
23 in the area where the gully is located . Kristna responded that is where it was proposed, but they did the
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24 perc tests there and it failed . Kristna explained that is the reason they would like to site it on the other
25 lot.
26 Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the consolidation of the 3 lots and to waive the public hearing,
27 referring to the SEQR done on the initial subdivision as this is reversing the density. Brad Griffin
28 seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR . MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
29 Kristna Mauleon thanked the Board . George Totman stated there is some paperwork to be filled out and
30 the subdivision fee paid . They need to have the drawing stamped by the Planning Board Chairperson
31 and file with the county . Mrs. Mauleon will call George next week. •
32 Review of Budget- Viola Miller stated that they had discussed it before and thought they would not
33 need much in the way of professional help next year. Viola added that after spending some time on it
34 and spending some time at the institute, she feels strongly that they need to do some review of the
35 Comprehensive Plan. The Board discussed where the professional fees would be included in the budget .
36 The Board reviewed the rest of the Planning Board budget . Viola asked if everyone found the budget
37 satisfactory . Brad Griffin responded that he did not find it satisfactory because he did not understand it.
38 George Totman stated he would get it clarified and get back to them. Viola Miller stated she would also
39 speak with Sharon .
40 Discussion on Zoning Ordinance- Viola Miller stated that she had contacted Toni Niederkorn to
41 review the Zoning Ordinance . Viola Miller read the letter from Torn explaining his concerns with the
42 . Ordinance.
43 Viola stated Tom ' s first concern is with the Cellular Tower Ordinance, which the Planning Board did •
44 not work with. Larry Sharpstcen asked Paul Butler if the Town Board is aware that the Town can
45 garnish income if cellular towers arc put on Town land . Larry stated that all costs including consultant
46 fees should be paid by the applicant. Paul stated he knew they could charge rent on the space. Larry
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t Sharpsteen Mated that they can start charging at .31 (300 per month and go up from there . Tarry added that
40 you can also tax the equipment, not the towers, but the equipment which is valued at about $ 500,000 ,
Larry stated he attended the Planning Seminar in Rochester and has notes and a business card which he
4 will bring in for Paul .
5 Viola Miller stated that the people representing the Planning Federation stated that Site Plan Reviews
6 should , without question, be reviewed by the Planning Board with the Town Board having the final say .
e Viola noted that Tom Miederkorn also made a comment on this . Viola also added that most site plans
8 are, by law, supposed to be referred to the County. Brad Griffin stated that, by state Iaw, municipalities
9 are given authority for tonin. Viola Miller stated that they had a big discussion on the subdivision on
to Autumn Ridge . Viola stated that when they ran into that problem , they should have referred it to the
County. Viola added that is the type of thing the County is more interested in than anything else. Brad
i ? Griffin asked if e subdivision is on a County road , are they required to send the application to the
13 County, and if so , do they have to wait 30 days to act on it? George Totma° stated yes, they have to
14 send the application to the Bounty. There are tree ways to handle it. First , you can wait for the County
Is decision, ib Ma.9 vote against it; the Planning Board can override it by a majority plus one - Second , they
16 Goold start working on it, hold a public hearing and by the time they would be ready to vote on it, they
17 would most likely have the County ' s decision .
It Larry Sharpsteen asked if a SEQR was ever done on the Zoning Ordinance . George Votmen replied that
19 one had been done.
20 Viola Miller referred to the first problem as stated in Tom Viedorkom ' s letter . Viola stated the problem
21 is with Schedule I, references to 802, 0. Tom indicated those are non-references and should be changed
22 to "P" or the 802 .0 should be given a suffix number. George Totman explained the Town Board ' s
thought was that rather than just putting a "P ", they wanted the applicant make sure the Zoning Officer
goes over it to make sure it meets the codes . Brad Griffin stated that Susan Brock gave a very thoughtful
25 view problems, but he always felt that the most useful list of problem areas would arise from people
26 coming to the Code Enforcement Officer to discuss their difficulties in understanding what is expected
27 of them under the Ordinance_ Brad suggested that if a lag of these things were kept, after a year or so it
28 could be reviewed to see if a chane is required .
29 deny Sharpsteen gave the example ofa warehouse, where he feels they have made a mistake . In the
30 Ordinance for B1 it lists Sec . 802 .0 . , which does not list any special conditions for warehouses . George
31 stated that if there are not any specific conditions listed it would be allowed as long as it met the
32 conditions in Schedule II . Larry Sharpsteen stated that if a warehouse was to go through site plan
33 review, they would know they would be allowed only have 2 curb cuts. George Tatman explained that
34 curb cuts are determined by the Highway Department and the Town Board felt that they did not want to
35 put regulation on regulations . Larry Sharpsteett stated that what he was trying to say, by way of
36 illustration, is that the way this ordinance is written leaves it open to the interpretation of the Zoning
se Officer, leaves the Town open for the type of inconsistency, or perception of inconsistency, that could
38 lend the Town to a lawsuit,
39 Viola Miller suggested they take a serious look at the things which Ton, Miederkorn has suggested may
re be oversights . Larry Shaupstoen asked Paul Butler if they did this, would the Town Board be receptive?
a ! Paul Butler responded that he felt the Tovvn Board would be receptive . Brad Griffin asked if the
42 Planning Board had shared the memo from Tom with the Town Board , Viola Miller stated no, she had
43 wanted to review it with the Planning Board first. Dave Lippert agreed with Brad Griffin ' s suggestion
1 - about making a list and at some point down the road, go through it one by one to determine if it could
Lirir have been done another way to avoid having those problems _ Viola Miller asked the members of the
46 Planning Board to review the Ordinance . David Lippert stated they need to acknowledge that in some
47 things, there is definitely a difference of opinion between the Planning Board and the Town Board . Viola
4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, August 10, 1998
Miller stated that in the past, the Town Board has taken the Planning Board ' s suggestions into
2 consideration .
3 Follow Up on Roads- Viola Miller stated they were going to follow up on roads, but she feels they •
4 should take a look at the Comprehensive Plan and work from it in looking at roads. Viola Miller stated
5 that she does not have a copy of the Comprehensive Plan . She stated she has a draft copy, but does not
6 think they were distributed after it was accepted by the Town Board. Larry Sharpsteen stated he did not
7 have a copy either. George Totman stated that he could make copies for them .
8 Report from Committee Chairs & Officers -
9 EMC- Larry Sharpsteen stated the State Conference was held in Ithaca on September 11 & 12 .
10 Apparently, it went well . In the future, the EMC is going to try to have themselves viewed more
1 1 seriously as a useful organ of the County Board . Brad Griffin stated that when he was a member of that
12 board , he had accepted an appointment to that board with the understanding that it was an advisory body
13 to the County Board . In the little over a year that he was a member of that Board , the County never
14 asked for anything and he did not see any reason to sit around waiting for them to ask. Larry Sharpsteen
15 stated that regarding the Lake Source Cooling, there has been a broader spectrum of people coming
16 forth , albeit a little late, with comments and question.
17 OTHER BUSINESS
18 David Lippert asked George Totman if he was going to be talking to Paul Kempkes again before he
19 comes in again. George replied that he would be speaking with him . David said that George may want
20 to suggested to Paul that there is a map at T. G. Miller ' s, and he was pretty sure it had die topography on
21 it that would go all the way down to David ' s lot lines. Viola Miller asked if it would save Mr. Kempkes
22 and the Planning Board a lot trouble if he, as far as drainage and as far as driveways , would talk to the
23 County before coming back to see the Planning Board . Brad Griffin stated he would be reluctant to steer
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24 someone to go see them if they are going to provide the Planning Board with their comments unless it is
25 very complicated . Viola Miller stated she suggested it because it is such a steep area that it might not be
26 wise to put driveways there . David Lippert added that there are some pretty nasty ditches on that side of
27 the road .
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29 Brad Griffin stated there was quite a lot of stuff in their correspondence. Brad read a letter from Rich
30 John regarding the Ron Seacord development. The other members of the Planning Board stated they had
31 not received a copy of that letter. Brad stated the first point he wanted to make was that Rich should not
32 apologize if there is something more for them to learn about it, Brad is sure they would all be amenable
33 to that. The second point he wanted to make was that the Town and the Planning Board does have a
34 responsibility in the SEQR document to review whether any aesthetic, agricultural , archeological ,
35 historic, or other resources are involved . Brad stated , for the record, that the fact that Seacord was not
36 driven into the arms of an unemployed archeologist is in no small way an oversight. In his thoughts it
37 was really not a site that they could reasonably expect would have been important from an archeological
38 standpoint. Brad stated that the question is asked of this Board, not of Mrs. Pierpont. Brad stated that
39 while the State can be critical how the Town does those sort of things, Brad stated that he feels that
40 historic office uses the D . E .C . as a sort of bogeyman to take developers by the heels and shake them
41 until money comes out to hire unemployed archeologists. Brad stated that he resented that when he
42 worked for the D . E. C. and he resents it now. Brad Griffin stated that there are some• sites he would be
43 very sensitive to the importance of doing that, but the Seacord development was not one of them . Brad •
44 stated that it was not an omission on his part. David Lippert stated that if they reviewed the minutes,
45 they would find that they had raised some questions about it. David stated that they discussed the
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1 railroad bed , so they did go over it before they came up with the answer to that question . David said it
2 was discussed , they have to do it each time .
RIP Viola Miller stated that when they attended the Planning Federation seminar, Jackie Baker brought up
4 the fact that they go over the SEQR very fast, and there are perhaps some cases where they need to give
5 it a little more thought.
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7 Report from the Town Board Liaison - Paul Butler stated Steve Farkas is on an interim appointment
8 on the Town Board . Paul added that Steve will be standing for election in November. As far as they
9 know he is unopposed at this time. Viola Miller stated that Steve wanted to be on the Board because he
10 feels there are some excellent boards in this town and in the future, he feels the Town Board will be
1 working with them more closely . Brad Griffin stated when Steve attended hearings and such, his
12 remarks showed a keen interest in the town .
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14 Larry Sharpsteen moved to adjourn at 9 : 19 PM . Brad Griffin seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR;
15 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY .
16 The next meeting is scheduled for October 12 , 1998 .
17 Submitted by Robin Cornell .
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