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Code Enforcement Officer 13 PUBLIC PRESENT 14 Aline Shulman Lansing Community News 15 Ron Seacord East Shore Drive 16 Ron Preston 17 18 GENERAL BUSINESS Larry Sharpsteen called the meeting to order at 7 : 35pm. 20 Review minutes of 12/08/97- Brad Griffin thanked Mrs . Cornell for improvements to minutes . No 21 corrections . Page 4, Line 11 . . . Larry Sharpsteen added. . . Planning Department for purposes of 22 scheduling with the EMC . Brad Griffin motioned to accept the minutes as amended. Viola Miller 23 seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. Motion carried unanimously. 24 Nominating Committee Report- Brad Griffin stated the report of the Nominating Committee is a slate 25 of officers composed of Viola M. Mullane for Chairperson, Lin Davidson for Vice Chairperson, Brad 26 Griffin for Secretary, and Jackie Baker for Treasurer. Larry Sharpsteen opened the nominations from the 27 floor. Lin Davidson, as Secretary, cast one ballot. Dave Lippert seconded. VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. 28 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 29 Larry Sharpsteen congratulated Viola. Viola Miller mentioned that Brad Griffin had stated if she would 30 steer the boat, the rest of them would pull the oars. Brad Griffin stated he thinks he speaks for himself; 31 the Nominating Committee, and the Board in thanking Larry Sharpsteen for having the Chair during a 32 very busy and hectic period. Brad also stated the new Chair would have nominations for the three 33 standing committees at some time at, or subsequent to, the February meeting. Viola seconded Brad in 34 thanking Larry. Lin Davidson agreed. Larry stated it would not have been nearly as easy or as pleasant 35 working with a different group of people. 36 Other General Business- Larry Tvaroha stated they are looking to finalize the plans of anyone 37 interested in attending the Association of Towns Meeting. Viola Miller asked when the meeting would 38 be held. George Totman stated February 16- 18 . Viola asked what would be the cost. George Totman stated by the time you pay for your reservations, transportation, and meals it comes to between $500 - 4 $600 . Larry Tvaroha stated the view of the Town is the educational value and exposure to what other 41 towns are doing is definitely worth it and they encourage anyone to go . 2 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 12, 1998 1 Lin Davidson stated at the last meeting, they discussed having a county approach to looking at the tower 2 and adult entertainment issues and was wondering where that stands . Viola Miller stated it. is still in the 3 works . There is a meeting on January 13 , so she does not have the results of that. Viola added there is a 4 countywide seminar or training session in April to let people know what are the duties of a Planning • 5 Board and how they are supposed to go forward with them . They will be trying to get people from the 6 Town Boards and Village Boards to attend so they will know what they can expect from their Planning 7 Boards . 8 Viola Miller added that the County Advisory Planning Board has been divided into two committees, the 9 Advisory Committee and the Federation Committee. Viola will serve on the Federation Committee and 10 Linda Hirvonen has been appointed to the Advisory Committee . 11 Larry Sharpsteen stated he has been receiving some notices of updates on the deal with cellular towers . 12 The next township to be targeted is Lansing . George Totman replied the Town has a one year 13 moratorium on so they have time to work on it. Larry Sharpsteen stated if the Town Board has any 14 suggestions after reviewing the Ordinances, it can be tweaked . Larry Tvaroha stated they are working on 15 it and are in contact with some of the principle companies involved in that. Brad Griffin questioned why 16 it may be the case that Lansing would be the next township targeted . Larry Sharpsteen stated because of 17 the network coverage, this would be the next step to fill in the net. Larry stated as long as they are not 18 within their height of a residence, he does not have a problem with them . 19 Larry Sharpsteen asked Larry Tvaroha the status of the Town Board reviewing the proposed ordinance . 20 Larry Tvaroha stated they expect to be reviewing that soon and will get back to you. Larry Sharpsteen 21 stated they will need to know when they will act on it, whether the Town Board wants the Planning 22 Board to jointly hold the public hearing with them . In the mean time , the Planning Board has asked Tom 23 Neiderkorn to start the SEQR. Larry Tvaroha responded that the Town Board expects to have another 24 joint public hearing to meet the legal requirements, but it could probably be more open discussion rather • 25 than be more formal like the other public hearings . Larry Sharpsteen asked if Larry Tvaroha had 26 checked with Rich to see if the Town Board can be Lead Agency on the SEQR. Larry Tvaroha stated 27 they had not yet discussed it. 28 Viola Miller stated that with all the recent changes she would like to know how many committees they 29 members of the Board are representing. Lin Davidson responded that he is representing the County Jo Transportation Committee and the Sewer Committee. Larry Sharpsteen is representing the County 31 Environmental Management Council . Viola Miller is representing the Federation Committee. 32 33 Ron Preston, 45 Grandview Drive, Tax Map # 40.-3-28 34 George Totman stated Mr. Preston had approached him with the request for permission to operate a 35 bakery on his property. George stated it is a gray area as to whether it would be classified as a home 36 occupation or not. Home occupations are allowed in that area. Mr. Preston is here to answer any 37 questions the Board may have. 38 Lin Davidson asked if this would be a continuation of the Crescent Farm Bakery where they use a wood 39 furnace . Ron Preston stated yes, he wants to purchase that and relocate it to his property. Lin asked how 40 often he would be burning wood . Mr. Preston stated 3 times a week for about 12 hours each time . Mr. 41 Preston stated that under current management, the business employs one employee for about 20 hours 42 per week. Dave Lippert questioned whether Mr. Preston will continue with a part-time employee . Ron 43 Preston stated it would depend on the Board ' s determination on how it would come under a home 44 business . George Totman reminded the Board that under the proposed ordinance he could have up to 3 • 45 part-time employees and that the current ordinance does not say anything about it. , rl , 3 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 12, 1998 Viola Miller stated the ordinance says there must be "no offensive noise, traffic vibration, smoke, dust, 2 odor, . . . " and she assumes there would be. Larry Sharpsteen stated in his opinion it would produce less traffic than a hairdresser, doctor, lawyer, ect. Larry Sharpsteen asked if it was Mr. Preston ' s intention to have no retail . Mr. Preston said that is correct. Brad Griffin asked if there will be any outdoor storage. 5 Ron Preston replied, only firewood. It takes about 3 wheel barrels full three times a week. 6 Brad Griffin asked if this is subject to a public hearing. George Totman stated no, it is not required . 7 Brad then asked if this should be a function of the Board . George stated it was presented to him and he 8 was looking for some help to determine if it is classified as a home occupation. Larry Sharpsteen stated 9 that looking at the definition of a home occupation, he would ask the Board how it would not be 10 classified as a home occupation. I 1 George Totman stated that it is a known fact that Mr. Preston ' s house is on the market. The question 12 that has been asked is if the house sells , does he plan to sell the garage with it? Mr. Preston replied that 13 depends on the buyer. Larry Sharpsteen stated that because it would be a home occupation, if the house 14 is sold, the business goes too, or ceases to operate . 15 Jacoba Baker asked if George would ask for a public hearing. George Totman stated it is not required . 16 Larry Sharpsteen asked if George had discussed this with the Town Attorney. George stated he had not 17 yet gone over it with the attorney. Larry Tvaroha asked how much the business can expand before 18 comes up for review again . Are there any limits ? Under the new ordinance, he could not have any more 19 than 3 employees or he would be in violation. 20 Lin Davidson stated that it will generate smoke, which you may say is no more than someone ' s fireplace, 21 but someone will find it offensive and complain. Brad Griffin stated that the ordinance refers to smoke, 22 dust, and odor and asked Mr. Preston if he would speak to those issuesfrom his standpoint. Mr. Preston 7 ' stated he can not see any objections to those issues . There is some smoke, but no more than a wood stove. The odor would mostly be confined to the inside of the building itself The building the business 25 is currently in is about 400 sq. feet. His shop is 1200 sq . feet, but he will be subdividing it and adding 26 on to it because the oven would need to be outside the building. 27 A poll of the Board - Jacoba Baker would be only be comfortable if there was a community hearing . 28 Viola Miller stated she is concerned with whether it fits the neighborhood and how the neighbors will 29 react. Brad Griffin ' s reservation is that they have no means to determine what the reaction of the 30 neighborhood would be. Dave Lippert stated in the ordinance it refers to services and this would be a 31 product, so he has a problem with that. Larry Sharpsteen stated that with the exception of Dave ' s 32 comment, he was ready to say it was within the ordinance. Lin Davidson stated he agrees with Dave ' s 33 point. Lin tends to look at the public as it is key to the issue, and also the factthat it is not a service. 34 George Totman informed Ron Preston he would get back to him. Mr. Preston asked if there was a time 35 frame. George stated he will speak with the Town Attorney. If it is rejected and it went to the Zoning 36 Board of Appeals, they have 45 days to make a decision. Ron Preston asked if 4-6 weeks would be a 37 probable time frame. George Totman agreed. 38 Ron Seacord - Presentation of Preliminary Subdivision Proposal- Larry Sharpsteen turned the 39 meeting over to Lin Davidson. George Totman passed maps to the Board members, per Viola Miller' s 40 request to see how it fits into the neighborhood. Ron Seacord passed the latest map to the Board. The 41 Board reviewed the maps . Viola Miller asked if there was any way to handle the run off without a 42 retention pond. Larry Sharpsteen stated that Dave Herrick and the D . O . T. indicated it is necessary . Gary 43 Wood, who has been retained by Mr. Seacord, does not think it is. Brad Griffin asked why the retention pond would be necessary. Larry Sharpsteen replied due to potential increased run-off. The pond would 45 be an empty pond, that will drain entirely. The size of the pond is not yet known. . • r 4 Town of Lansing Planning Board, January 12, 1998 1 Mr. Seacord stated the topo was done after the corn was harvested, just before Christmas . Viola Miller 2 stated the name and the contours have been taken care of satisfactorily. The sewage systems will be 3 individually approved by the Health Department. Drainage is still being worked on. Ron Seacord • 4 stated the land was surveyed when he originally purchased the . parcel . It has not been physically 5 surveyed as individual lots, just on paper. He did not want to pay to have it done until he was sure the 6 Board did not want to make any changes in the lots. Larry Tvaroha stated he has been approached 7 regarding the lighting of the building that has been already been built. The landscaping will be in front 8 of each individual lot. George Totman stated you can regulate that in Site Plan Review when people 9 develop the lots . Larry Sharpsteen stated that plantings and landscaping could be put in the covenants. 10 Ron Seacord stated this is Phase I, on the North side of the road. Phase II would be on the South side, 1 1 but he is not proposing to do anything with that yet. Viola Miller stated if Ron wanted to make a 12 substantive change in the size of the lots after the preliminary approval, it would require the process to 13 start again. 14 Brad Griffin motioned to accept preliminary proposal with the expectation that more will be forthcoming 15 on drainage, other features and covenants . Viola Miller seconded . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION 16 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 17 Ron Seacord stated he will put "Phase I" on the plat, show the test holes and depth of bedrock, extend 18 the 60 ' right-of-way to the north to the back of the lots on Sharon Drive, get a letter from the Health 19 Department on the septics being on a one by one basis, and address the plantings and covenants later. 20 The drainage issue is going to take some time. 21 OTHER BUSINESS 22 Lin Davidson turned the meeting back over to Larry Sharpsteen. 23 Brad Griffin motioned to adjourn at 10 : OOpm . Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR. • 24 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 25 Submitted by Robin Cornell . • • TOWN OF LANSING • Planning Board Post Office Box 186 Lansing . New York 14882 D Please reply to: December 10 , 1997 Roger A. VandePoel 2 Sunset Dr Lansing NY 14882 Dear Mr. VandePoel : Thank you for your letter of November 3 , 1997, to the Planning Board. We appreciate feedback, especially when it contains clear and well thought out suggestions. Your work will be a great help to the Town Board as they work to integrate the new roads • with our existing infrastructure. The developer, Ron Seacord, indicates that he has retained a consultant to generatea traffic study of the East Shore Drive part of the project. This will help the town evaluate the needs for the control of traffic. Please realize that we are working for a safe and vital town. My own boys play on the fields and I pass through your neighborhood most weekdays . The Planning Board has passed your letter to the Town Board as a constructive recommendation. Sincerely, taLUI-CIACT\ (An) Lin Davidson Acting Chair, Lansing Planning Board LD : rc tit(41 • filos •