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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-06-09 To Seneca Falls To Auburn e.11 TOWN of LANSING • `F 0 " Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " 6 V 1. I.) .N.r\gr ill 4: , lii Town of Lansing ORDINANCE DEPT. ` \ 1, Box 186 \ ,l Lansing, New York 14882 `� I \ To Ithaca .aTown of Lansing N = Plannin Board Meetingg • 06/09/97 7 :30PMto9: 10 PM Lansing Town Hall - Board Room Type of meeting : Agenda topics 7:30 PM Open Meeting - Approve May Minutes 7:45 PM Doug Selden - Question on His Land for Future Development 8:.00 PM John Homa - Questions on Cayuga Highlands Subdivision 8: 15 PM Ralph Barnard - Developer Conference 8 :30 PM John Rogers Representing Jay O'Rear as to 2 Lot Subdivision 9: 00 PM Any Other Business That May Come Before The Board 1110 . , • el Town of Lansirig PLANNING BOARD Monday , June 9 , 1997 ; 7 : 30pm PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (•Denotes present) * Larry Sharpsteen, Chair * Jacoba Baker * Viola Miller * Brad Griffm * Lin Davidson Al White * Robert Todd * David Lippert * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman PUBLIC PRESENT Matthew Shulman Lansing Community News Ralph Barnard 741 Lansing Station Road John Homa Jr. 48 Teeter Road Jack Rogers 8 Bolton Point Road Larry Fabbroni 127 Warren Road . Susan Miller 194 Buck Road Larry Sharpsteen opened meeting at 7:29 p.m. GENERAL BUSINESS Larry Sharpsteen had two things that he wanted to start the board thinking on, as he had to leave but wanted to make sure they were discussed. 1 ) Directive from the Town Board to schedule Public Informational Meetings for the Zoning Presentation. Larry Sharpsteen stated that he had committed to Jeannie that the board would do everything possible to have the first general meeting by the end of June. 2) The board will be approached by The Town Hall Committee sometime in the future for a joint meeting. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the zoning will be taking up most of the boards' time. He feels strongly on having a General Information Meeting on two consecutive nights. Precinct meetings where half of the board and half of the Town Board be present at each of the meetings and that there be two meetings that time of night. He stated again how strongly he feels about getting the information out by going to the neighborhoods. Viola Miller wondered if any particular day? Larry Sharpsteen responded by stating it was his thought that Tuesday night would be an optimal night. He stated that next week would be to soon, so the first optimum date would be Tuesday June 24 or the next optimum date would be Tuesday July 1 . Viola Miller felt that was too close to the July 4th holiday, and Larry Sharpsteen stated that he was aware but if they waited to long it would be to close to the election. Larry stated that it would take some time because a meeting room would have to be arranged and Crisis Intervention would need to be contacted to mediate the meetings Matthew Shulman asked if Larry meantDispute Resolution? Larry clarified yes, that the board was usually in crisis so he called it crisis intervention . At approximately 7:45 p.m. Larry Sharpsteen turned the meeting over Lin Davidson . Review of Minutes from meeting held on May 12 , 1997 . Page 4, under General Business, paragraph two and paragraph five- Brad Griffin pointed out that the word remediableness needs to be changed to remediation. Brad Griffin made a motion to approve the minutes as amended; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY . I .. di 2 Town of Lansing Planning Board George Totman stated that the minutes were fine but that the resolution went to the Town Board. Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town Board accepted the resolution. Changes to the Agenda George Totman stated that the first person on the agenda, Doug Selden, had called him this afternoon and changed his mind after the Realtor advised him not to subdivide his property. He sends his apologies to the board. There was a mistake made in the agenda as well, Although all the paperwork was sent to the board members, Larry Fabbroni was not added to the agenda. George apologized to the board for this, and asked that he be put into Doug Se!den's spot since Mr. Fabbroni was present. George also noted that everyone else that is on the agenda is in attendance. Autumn Ridge Proposed Revision Larry Fabbroni referred the board to the subdivision maps that had been provided, stating the change for 8 lots from the 12 existing lots. Those 8 lots being 40,41 ,42,43 ,44,45,46,48 and a small change on Lot 47 to give it frontage on the new road that is just south of the drainage way. The right of way is shown as part of lot 46. Lots 5 & 47 are combined for Health Department Approval and probably short of getting public sewer up there some day, will always be combined. There is also a 60 ' right away shown on Lot 40. The plans are complete as far as what is presented. There are a number of drawings that show the sand filters for each lot and the road profiles. Larry Fabbroni stated that they were at the point in asking for a public hearing to amend the fmal approval that was given back in 1991 . The discussion regarding the road that comes out onto . Burdick Hill Road, referred to someone talking to the Village as to what is right. Therefore the road is still up in the air. George Totman stated that Larry Fabbroni has kept the 60 ' right of way there in case the Village changes their minds and have also put the 60' paper road off into the field up above. Larry stated that a note should be made on the 60' right of way, that it is reserved for future highway. And if this plat is approved through the hearing then that would become part of the record down at the County Clerk's Office. It was asked if at the north end, that was already a road. Larry Fabbroni said that it is not currently, however that right -of- way has been deeded to the Town already. Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town usually does not accept any land without having a road on it. George Totman stated that it may be in escrow and that the road itself goes over to Lot 25. Larry Tvaroha stated that this has been presented to the Town Board and meets the concerns of having potential access out to Burdick Hill Road. Larry Fabbroni stated that all the changes being made at this time are in the Town. Brad Griffin made a motion to accept the SEQR that has previously been done. Viola Miller seconded. VOTE; ALL. IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY The public hearing was set for modification of a subdivision that was passed in 1989 and a preliminary hearing will be waived. George Totman stated this will be a Final Public Hearing on the revisions on the one that was passed previously. It was decided July 14, 1997 at 8:00pm. John Homa Questions on Cayuga Highlands Subdivision John Homa started out by passing out pictures , and explaining that he has been coming to this board for 8 years over this subdivision. This has been a three phase subdivision and is now in the third phase. The pictures were taken from his home showing the blockage of his view by other buildings. Mr. Homa has had problems with the developer with dirt and debris. He cited Section 606 of the code- protection of views. He also mentioned that he had called the Army Corps of Engineers • concerning wetlands. However nobody had been to the site. Viola Miller asked which sites he was referring to? Mr. Homa stated that he did not want to say because of liabilities that come back to the board. He went on to state that it was the intention of the board to enforce local, state, and federal laws. Mr. Homa spoke of the possibility of his wife having the resources to get into a legal battle over procedures. He just wanted to remind the Board of what they are doing to the people and the Town. IP 3 Town of Lansing PIanning Board Viola Miller wanted to discuss Section 606 as to what kind of view is to be protected . She also stated that a person has the right to use their land as they see fit. John Homa also mentioned that the developer made promises too, but that there is nothing on paper. George Totman stated that he would talk to the developer and voice the concerns that have been brought up to the Board. Viola wanted to discuss this at another time. George Totman said that there is a height restriction in a zoned area., but the area in which John is speaking of is not zoned. Ralph Barnard- Developer ' s Conference Ralph Barnard is interested in subdividing his land. His has two parcels :one 52+ acres and another 10 acres bought from Matthew Shulman. The people who were in the bikeway business wanted to come across his property. Ralph wants to proceed with a minor subdivision at each end of this property. Brad Griffin asked Ralph to orientate the board on the location, Ralph stated on 34B by Weidenhammer's Printers. Access out the back is at the corner of Wilson and Buck Road. Ralph stated that if he did a subdivision he would do it over a 10 year period. But he needs to get started, because the next time to get out of the ag district is 2004. Ralph may go farther in the future, but wanted to talk to the board and get started. Ralph also spoke about a letter he wrote to the board and coming to see the board about the land in back of 34B, as he thought that the Town might want some access for a bike trail. Apparently they got the grant money, but what he is asking for is a zoning change from B1 to R2. There would be more flexibility. Ralph wants to subdivide 2 lots on Wilson Road & Buck Road, with the understanding that there may be 2 more lots in if possible. He is not sure as to what the limits are going to be with this new zoning in terms of size for lots when you have sewer. Ralph thinks this will all be done on the basis of sewer. The only building that is on this property right now is a big. • barn. George Totman summarized for Ralph in regards to the paper roads. If the planning board agrees to the concept of paper roads, if Ralph wants to sell this in the future, he will at least have these maps to give to the people. The planning board thinks that is a good idea. What Ralph is looking for now, possibly, is seeing the Town Attorney and getting approval for a private road so he can have 4 lots at each end of this road. What he really needs is a 4 lot subdivision on one end and another 4 lot subdivision of the other end. He knows he has to put in a Private Road . It was the planning board's interpretation that Pete Larson prefers T- turn arounds rather than cul-de-sacs. Jack Rogers Representing Jay O ' Rear ' s 2 Lot Subdivision George Totman passed out a memo from Jay O' Rear to the board introducing Jack Rogers as his representative. Jack stated that they are trying to get approval in subdividing 2 building lots on the lower part of the O'Rears property in conjunction with the building of a road off East Lake Road that would go through the two lots. Mr. O' Rear is involved with getting water, they have talked with the Town Board and have found that the water would come in along this new proposed road. This has the approval of the Town Board. George Totman explained that the road is fine except that nobody can get a building permit on it until the road has been accepted. Larry Tvaroha discussed the poor water supply given in that neighborhood. They are currently on lake supply. The Town Board has been working with them to get them public water and get their road upgraded because as it is right now it is very limited as to getting emergency vehicles down there. So what this subdivision is meant for is to subdivide a lot that can be sold, to put a public road down there plus the installation of the waterline so these residents can have water. Both sides attorneys have been working on this for some time and in the last two weeks satisfaction has been reached by both. Time is of the essence because the person that is interested in buying this land wishes to start building in this current building season. isViola Miller was concerned with where the lines would connect. Larry Tvahora stated that they will connect at East Lake., and that has been cleared with them. Jack stated that Jay O ' Rear had met with the Town Engineer and Pete Larson and the layout of the road has been approved. Larry Tvaroha mentioned that currently there is a private dirt road there. Brad Griffin mentioned a letter from John Barney that stated the road would be dedicated to the Town on completion : dedication actually would occur only upon acceptance. • 1110 4 Town of Lansing Planning Board Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town usually takes a one year warranty on it once it has been accepted. George Totman stated that the reason to be done quickly is for access for fire protection, emergency vehicles and for water. Jack Rogers stated the two fire hydrants would be put in, and this plan was drawn up by the Town Engineer. The hydrants distance in relations to the houses is maximum of 300ft. The figure that the insurance people use is 600ft. from a hydrant. Lin Davidson asked if a public hearing was necessary. Larry Tavroha said yes the board should schedule a public hearing. Robert Todd joined the meeting at approximately 8 :40pm. in middle of this discussion. Robert asked if this is just for information? Also asked if the board approved it do they do a SEQRA? Lin Davidson asked about July 14, 1997 at 8 :30pm? George Totman stated yes and in the meantime he would have it set for the SEQRA. Robert Todd asked where is the board at? is it contingent? Where is the application for a subdivision? He then stated how unprofessional this is ! That no application was filled out yet and given to the Board. George Totman explained that it was done in this manner because it was very important. George apologized to the board for this and let them know that it was not Mr. O 'Rear's fault. George also stated that it will be taken care of. Viola Miller made the motion for acceptance for preliminary approval and a for the Public Hearing set for July 14, 1997 at 8 :30pm. Brad Griffin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Zoning - Informational Meetings Viola Miller stated that a lot of preparation has to be done before the 23 or 24th, and Larry wants to hold the neighborhood meetings right after and she feels just a strongly as he does that it is necessary. She also thinks the Planning Board should discuss whether or not they feel they are necessary. • Robert Todd asked if the Planning Board wasputting on the informational meetings? And was told yes the Board is responsible. Viola Miller then went into detail about what a Planning Board normally does. She stated that a Planning Board would normally have had a Public Information Meeting before having an answer from the Board., because they need the input from the people who come to informational meeting to make their final decision. As we have done it now, they have approved something to go ahead and then may have to change it if it comes up at the informational meeting. It is still up to the Planning Board to have the informational meeting and any other meetings they wish to have and then turn the facts over to the Town Board. Then the Town Board will have the Public Hearing. Viola requested that there be discussion about the informational meetings as to all the details, such as place, time and how things will be handled. Robert Todd wanted to know how everybodyelse feels. Brad Griffin stated that when Larry Sharpsteen was here he indicated that the Town Board wanted the meeting before the end of the month. Larry Tvaroha said that it would have been nice to have it before the end of June. But as a Town Board, no action was taken to dictate the end of June. Larry Tvaroha stated to have it at the best time possible and not try to rush it. There is some concern with the 4th of July holiday and with graduations right around the corner. Lin Davidson stated there needs to be good overheads, good slides, and people have to know what they are looking at., and be able to see how it effects them. Larry Tvaroha agreed and stated that it is important to have a good P.A. System whether it has to be rented or the Town has to purchase it. It is necessary because we don't want people in the back that can't hear. It is very important! David Lippert made everyone aware that the school building project will be starting on the 16th and that someone should check with the school before setting a date because the buildings will be torn apart. George Totman mentioned that there is the Central Fire Station. Viola asked about occupancy? George stated around 300. Parking and chairs were discussed. 0 Brad Griffin thought that it would be wise to prepare a list of the components as to size, scheduling , the facilitator and time. Then really think about all these pieces coming together and set a date after all that work is done either as a committee or as the Planning Board Robert Todd suggested that someone talk with both the High School and the Fire Station to find out what is available. . Viola Miller stated that after the 4th of July would be best. 1 A • • 5 Town of Lansing Planning Board Larry Sharpsteen returned at approximately 9 :07pm and was briefed by Robert Todd as to what the Board was currently discussing. Robert stated that they are shooting for early July. And that they need someone to line up a facilitator. Larry Sharpsteen stated that will not be a problem. Viola Miller asked if they could get one that would know about zoning. Larry Sharpsteen thought that , that may be asking a bit much. Robert Todd stated it needs to be someone neutral. Lin Davidson asked if Tom should be there? Robert Todd thought the Board needed to figure out what maps the Board is going to have there, what literature is going to be handed out, overheads, and slides are going to be used and how it is going to be coordinated? Brad Griffin offered to coordinate with Larry Sharpsteen and Larry Tvaroha with a check list of components. Larry Sharpsteen reiterated the need for a good sound system. Larry also discussed prices regarding publication . Matt Shulman stated that he needed to have ten minutes with Larry to discuss the layout and pricing and could have a price back to the Board within 24 hours. It was discussed to print Schedule 1 , Schedule 2, definitions, and map. Robert Todd said the map is probably the most important thing. Viola agreed that the map is very important. Larry Tavroha asked what would be available for the public to readbefore the meeting. Viola Miller stated that the Board had discussed having 200 copies available. Robert Todd gave Matt Shulman credit and stated that the information has been out there and in the paper several times. Susan Miller stated that she thinks that there are people who would like a complete copy available even if they have to pay for the cost of the copy themselves Matt Shulman told the Board to compare the price of printing the whole thing in the paper with the cost of printing parts and then having a couple hundred complete copies made up for those who want to read it in its entirety. Matt showed the Board what he could do as far as layout and pages. dpLarry Sharpsteen suggested Schedule 1 , Schedule 2, and the map need to be printed. Everyone Agreed. Viola Miller and Robert Todd stated that the Board wanted to Matt to do this. Everyone agreed. Lin Davidson stated he would call around then to set up a day, midweek would be best Tuesday or Wednesday. Larry Tvaroha stated that Tuesday is best. Susan Miller wanted to make sure that if a neighborhood wanted their area changed if it was still going to be able to be done. Larry Tvaroha wanted to make sure that everyone has a voice and is heard. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the zoning is not written in stone; that with Board review things can be changed. Viola Miller stated that change can not be on personal basis though, that the zoning is done for the community as a whole. Viola stated that some things can be discussed at the meeting on the 23rd. Robert Todd requested a timetable for when all the decisions on when and where would be done. Matt Shulman will print it in the issue dated June 25th. Matt Shulman once again discussed price and layout. Matt said he would do this at his cost, as his contribution . He would believe that no more that $ 1500.00 max. but it depends on what all is printed. Lin Davidson said he would call and find out what was available. He will contact Sister Mary- for the parish hall, Chief Burris -for the fire hall, and the school too. He may also contact the Methodist church if nothing else is available. George Totman suggest that we do copies, a few at a time. Viola Miller made a motion to allow Matt Shulman to do the printing of the draft. Lb Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY George Totman asked that the price be recorded in the minutes. Matt Shulman stated $250 per folio(which is 4 tabloid pages). Viola Miller made a motion to adjourn the meeting; Lb Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY This meeting was adjourned at 9:38pm lit Submitted by Debra A Meeker