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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-10-10 1= a I . 't. I . To Seneca Falls To Auburn I . I — ' , x 45 I . \ . s Sway W-1;11(4441:15$‘44:�Y ;� y1 -^�*� .5 TOWN of LANSING : 4iiS7�t ' 0AZA;A t1tY r F}qa`� , . I? '"y$z It G"3OtSN \ ` .41St t V IA ,ri IS, h `�f �',J'°�''_' c -., 04 " Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty ' . ti III G R R ; :am. *Ilk w '79 4sn .+{ \ 'e'- �'��65} ✓ sx r efets �,.t} is Town of Lansing v 4 t; at; ?'41 ORDINANCE DEPT. N 1`I ,p '. . 11 °n ,frail Box 186 ` Lansing, New York 14882 \ 't r To Ithaca 1 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD , Date : October 10 , 1994 Time : 7 : 00 PM , i . Place : L .Xri _ riy Town Hall Board Room AGENDA 7 • 00 PM Special Meeting with Town Board , ` �410 7 : SO PM 7- i _ . . . Acn' rove .". : ir ; _ es of 9 / 17 c& ` � ! ;�` � E _ _ . , r 00 PK ,- C. .. "�:_ h .iiv.r ' C; i OY.: - R00. .� r .I '.- plz . i , . 1. u - i. -' ,_ O i. , Ci 1 _> k' !'!'. ? Lot. Evhdi4isiori -.. Kr .- _. .. _ l lLis Ll _ en ... ce -. , 1 T3 :: ::-_ Fran .� : 30 - 1 - 6 . 42 1 r I 2 _ 1 " Lot �. tiLidi. vision — .' ober n_;; . U , r : _ '...I '- 1 . . } '8 : 41; PM 2 I Iii. S ' • rli- 4 i cri -- OiSefsk1 i4 - A.. - 33 2 1 9 : 00 PmAil Y () t 11E 1. rYL1 ;. 1 e . f. Cl (.' is ' B ?. o r ett1 _ R _ic.aL I I I , II 9 3 ; > i 4 . TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Monday, October 10, 1994; 7:30 p .m. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS l • (* Denotes present) * Jackie Baker Cheryl Nickel * Lin Davidson Larry Sharpsteen, Chairperson * Brad Griffin * Robert Todd * Viola Miller * Al White Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman � . * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer � . PUBLIC PRESENT Monica Carey Groton, New York • George and Lorraine Larson Rochester, New York I1 Sam and Dona Neno Groton, New York Roderick Neno Groton, New York Robert Shaw Ithaca, New York This meeting was opened at 8: 10 p. m. Review of Summary from September 26, 1994 • Page Four, First Paragraph - Viola Miller corrected the location of the meeting to be at the Nevelle Hotel in Ellenville. Al White made a motion to accept the minutes as corrected; Jackie Baker seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ONE-LOT SUBDIVISION,—S,Ttr and Dona Neno, Munson Road in -- George n -George Totman explained that the Neno's are planning to sell a two-acre parcel to their son, . 1 on which he intends to build a house. Al White indicated that he is familiar with this land, and feels this proposal meets all subdivision requirements. The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Al White made a motion to approve this one-lot subdivision as proposed and to waive a public hearing; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ©6-G SUBDIVISION, Chris Miller, Fran 'Fey=es, and Ellen Baer, Scofield Road 36 - , 6 4 44 George Totman explained that the land proposed in this subdivision is from the Edmeston lands, to which some of it was willed to these three women. This proposal will divide the land into 12 1 /2 acre lots each with 450 feet of road frontage, one each for Baer and Toves. - Ms. Miller will retain the larger parcel, from which one smzller lot has been previously 411 di tided and sold. These three people are dividing the land at this time so that each can have th?ir portion of the land in their own name. I s I } ' j Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 2 Monday, October 10, 1994 The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Al White made a motion to approve this subdivision as proposed, noting that the size of the lots could exclude action by this Board, and recommended to waive the public hearing. Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SUBDIVISION, Kirby Development, Goodman Road f D - - Robert Walpole appeared before the Planning Board representing this subdivision. Al White indicated that he is familiar with this property and has noticed that it has standing water on a large portion of that property approximately three to four months a year. He felt this property is very wet, and is concerned about drainage. Al felt that the back half of the property was mostly wet, but that it could possibly be drained to the creek at the rear of the property. Al stated that the doesn't disapprove the subdivision, but is concerned about the drainage situation. Mr. Walpole wasn't aware that the drainage was of such great concern. He requested that the Planning Board table further discussion until he has had a chance to review the situation with the ASCS. Larry Sharpsteen added, for Mr. Walpole's sake, that it is the responsibility of the Planning Board to be sure that the drainage from one person isn't going to affect any of the neighbors. Mr. Walpole will be put on the agenda for the November 14 meeting. SUBDIVISION, Lorraine Olsefski, Cherry and North Triphammer Roads 1111 Viola commented that this property has been presented to the Planning Board several different times in the past and in several different versions. She felt that the proposed subdivision previously presented and accepted by this board was a very good effort at trying to divide the land, but for some reason it was not accepted by the Village of Lansing Planning Board. George Totman stated that the owners are now proposing to separate the land in the Town of Lansing from the land in the Village of Lansing. Lin Davidson questioned whether the northern parcel of over four acres would potentially be further subdivided. It was explained by Robert Shaw, representing the owners, that there is a water easement that runs along the east side of the property which restricts any further division of the land. Al White made a motion that the Plznning Board accept a previously accepted SEQR reviewed in 1992 because there have been no changes since that review; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Viola Miller made a motion to accept this subdivision as presented since it has been reviewed in several forms by this Planning Board, one of which was previously approved, and to waive the public hearing. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY I t Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 3 Monday, October 10, 1994 . 1 r' .. , • OTHER BUSINESS • " Letter from Leo Mahool dated October 6, 1994 - Copies of this letter were distributed to each ' :F board member for their review and subsequent discussion. Larry Sharpsteen felt that since the board was addressed in its entirety in the letter and that Mr. Mahool requested that the # letter be submitted for inclusion in the minutes, that each member have an opportunity to comment. Viola Miller took exception to the first part of his letter that implies that the Planning Board required him to develop Smuggler's Path. She stated that if the Town Board required that of Lake Watch, it had nothing to do with the Planning Board. Larry added that ;` the Planning Board did suggest that an easement be provided in the event that the property were ever to be developed, but does believe that it was the Town Board that insisted that the road be developed. George commented that when the Leathers' development came before the Planning Board, , they were required to have an easement that would potentially connect with Lake Watch. Viola commented that the people that buy the Lane property will have to develop the connecting road. George stated that it was both the Planning Board and the Town Board ' ;, . that required Leathers to have an easement, and for Mahool to have his easement go to the edge of his property in case the Lane property was ever developed then the access would . , already be there. Robert Todd commented that in the letter the wording is that "the town requested.. .a thru street. " He didn't think that that specifically accused the Planning Board of requiring the road's development. `41 a Larry Sharpsteen indicated that the primary reason he wanted everyone to have an opportunity to comment regarding this letter was the first paragraph on page three of Mr. Mahool's letter. He felt that Mr. Mahool was implying that the planning process and . communication process on the part of the Planning Board is lacking and irresponsible. Larry stated that there are a lot of people on this Planning Board that have worked on these developments for many years, and doesn't feel that Mr. Mahool's characterization of the • Planning Board is either fair or accurate. Al White added that at the time that development . y� was going through the review process, he was chair of the Planning Board. The board had discussed at several meetings that Lake Watch never hired an engineer; they used an architectural draftsman that worked for Leathers. This person made the cul-de-sacs no larger , :, than a normal driveway. The Planning Board, not knowing the appropriate dimensions for a cul-de-sac, didn't catch this. When the Town Highway Department went to these cul-de-sacs and couldn't turn a snowplow around in them, the developers incurred additional expenses. Al stated that it wasn't the Planning Board's fault, it was Mr. Mahool's because he didn't hire a P.E. to do his groundwork layout. Viola added that the Town Engineer should never have approved the cul-de-sacs. On page two, item 4-4 of Mr. Mahool's letter, Larry commented on one of the reasons why , , kl Mr. Mahool wouldn't agree to work with Mr. Albern. It read as follows: "not having to deal 1 with increased traffic in an area that we hope to develop for families with children." It was, in fact, the intent of this board have the property owners work out a solution simply because this board did not feel that it was either proper or fair for the State of New York to shunt all ' ' ' the traffic from the new development across the two existing developments. 4111 Viola stated that the Planning Board does not concur with all of the things that are stated in Mr. Mahool's letter, and that it was of much misunderstanding on Mr. Mahool's part as to what the effort of the Planning Board was in trying to find a new road through the property. (A copy of Mr. Mahool's letter is attached.) t I . Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 4 Monday, October 10, 1994 Letter from Cheryl Nickel dated October 10, 1994 - Larry Sharpsteen wasn't clear about the intent of Cheryl's letter. He will ask her to further explain once she returns. 11/' Letter from Cheryl Nickel dated October 9, 1994 - This letter specifically dealt with the joint meeting of the Planning Board and Town Board, as w211 as the public to discuss a new location of the new town hall. Larry felt that the items in that letter would be items for consideration during later discussions. Letter from Tom Neiderkorn - Larry stated that there was a meeting that Cheryl, Lin, and Tom attended with the Town Board talking about the citing process. The Town Board broached the idea that they were beginning to favor development on the north side of the road. They specifically asked Torn, and in the terms that they asked him he responded that it would work. In Tom's letter, it explains , the context of his statement, and with the modification of the subsequent proposal of an alternate site on the south side, comes out rather strongly in favor of development on the south side of the road. No matter which side of the road this development finally happens on, Larry feels that it is very important for the Planning Board to exercise whatever influence it has to see that the long-term considerations are dealt with in a manner that is not going to cripple the town. There are admittedly some strong arguments for using the north side of the road, personally Larry doesn't feel they are as strong as some of the arguments that the Planning Board has consideredwhich lead them to consider the south side of the road as being the most appropriate site. There will be another meeting next week, which Tom Neiderkorn will be in attendance. At this next meeting, Larry would like to be able to issue a preliminary letter of guidance or proposal to the Town Board with thoughts as to where the appropriate site would be. • This meeting was adjourned at 9: 20 p. m. Submitted by Michelle Eastman The: next meeting is scheduled for Monday, October 17, 1994.