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Date : September 12 , 1994
Time : 7 : 30 PM
Place : Lansing Town Hall Board Room ,
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Approve August Minutestt
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TOWN OF LANSING
Planning Board
Monday, September 12, 1994; 7:30 p.m. •
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
(* Denotes present)
* Jackie Baker Cheryl Nickel
* Lin Davidson Larry Sharpsteen, Chairperson ".
* Brad Griffin Robert Todd
* Viola Miller Al White
* Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman
* George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
PUBLIC PRESENT
William Albern, P.E. Ithaca
Monica Carey Groton
Burdette Lewis 356 Buck Road, Lansing •
Melanie Merrill 376 Buck Road, Lansing
Darrell Rhoads 115 Algerine Road, Lansing .
Helen and Carl Rhoads 54 East Shore Drive, Lansing
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Review of Minutes from August 8, 1994
Page Four, Nedrow Subdivision. Brad Griffin pointed out that the names should be change to
John and William Nedrow, instead of Nedrow Brothers. Lin Davidson made a motion to
accept the minutes as corrected; Brad Griffin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Review of Minutes from August 22, 1994
Robert Todd stated that Lawrence Howser wasn't in attendance; Viola Miller pointed out that
Tom Niederkorn was in attendance at this meeting. Viola then corrected the last sentence in •
the Howser Subdivision to read "George Totman will inform Mr. Howser.. .". Draft of Policy •
Goals. . . Robert Todd corrected the last sentence in that first paragraph to read "There will be
facilitators . .. ". Brad Griffin made a motion to accept the minutes as corrected; Lin Davidson ..
seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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SUBDIVISION, Burdette Lewis, Buck Road, Tax Map #28-1-17.2
George Totman explained that Mr. Lewis is proposing to subdivide his parcel into two lots;
retaining the house on the front parcel, and selling the barn with the back parcel. In j
response to Viola's question, Mr. Lewis informed her that he will be selling approximately four acres. Viola was concerned about there being access to the remaining lands of Mr.
Lewis to the north of this subdivision. George pointed out that there is an 80-foot access
from Buck Road to the land to the back.
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The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration.
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Viola Miller made a motion to accept the subdivision as presented; Lin Davidson seconded. r v
VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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SUBDIVISION, William Albern, Nova Lane, Tax Map #36-1-17
George Totman reminded the board members that the last time this subdivision was
discussed, it was recommended that Mr. Albern and George approach the State as to their
consideration for an access road to the Nova Lane subdivision from East Shore Drive. The
response from the State Department of Transportation iri Syracuse was that they would
approve three separate driveways on the road frontage, but they would not approve an
access road onto East Shore Drive.
Cheryl Nickel questioned the possibility of having the "hammerhead" turnaround include the
three eastern lots, instead of them each having separate driveways onto East Shore Drive.
Mr. Albern responded that this suggestion had not yet been discussed, but that he would
consider it. Robert Todd emphasized that one of this board's goals is to reduce curbcuts onto
busy roads, and Cheryl's suggestion embodies that goal. Robert asked if Mr. Albern was in
agreement with the Planning Board as to eliminating the curbcuts. Mr. Albern indicated that
he had no problem with just moving the "hammerhead" up further to the east to include the
other three lots.
Cheryl also questioned whether or not Mr. Mahool would sell some land to Mr. Albern for a
road. Mr. Albern responded that he approached Mr. Mahool and Mr. Leathers with the
suggestion of rearranging some of their lot lines, butnot with the discussion of purchasing
any of the parcels. Mr. Albern felt that trying to tie into the Mahool subdivision wouldn't be
practical. Larry Tvaroha questioned whether or not Nova Lane could tie into either of
Mahool's cul-de-sacs. Cheryl again commented that it would seem to be most feasible to
approach Mr. Mahool about purchasing one of the lots and tie into one of the cul-de-sacs. 411
George commented that from a discussion he has had with Mr. Mahool in the past, Mr.
Mahool was opposed to trying to connect the subdivisions because part of the appeal of his
lots is that they are located on deadend roads. By connecting the subdivisions, that appeal is
lost.
Larry Tvaroha was concerned as to whether the State would approve a temporary
construction road for this subdivision until the road is completed. Mr. Albern indicated that
he has already received approval for the temporary construction road. He stated that the
temporary construction road will be used until approximately 25 percent of the lots are
developed.
Robert questioned whether this proposal has been discussed with the Town Engineer. Mr.
Albern stated that he has briefly talked with the Town Engineer. Mr. Albern indicated that
he has had preliminary discussions with the Town Engineer and with the Town Highway
Superintendent.
Viola questioned if there are any pathways within this plan. Mr. Albern indicated that to his
knowledge, there are no pathways between the three subdivisions. Viola commented to the
Planning Board that they take a look at this developing area, and image what it will be like
in 20 years and how it will have changed. She would like to see the Planning Board begin to
plan for this type of future development, such as sidewalks and pathways. Cheryl stated
that the roads in these developments are 60 feet to the right-of-way with a 10 foot easement
on each side of the road.
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Cheryl again commented that she would like to hear a response as to whether Mr. Mahool
would sell one of his lots. Mr. Albeit responded that Mr. Mahool probably would not refuse
to sell one of his lots, but he would object to the restructuring of his subdivision.
Lin Davidson made a motion to approve the concept of two cul-de-sacs with no access onto
East Shore Drive except for construction vehicles during construction of the road and until 25
percent of the lots are developed, with the option left open for an agreement with either Mr.
Mahool or Mr. Leathers. Mr. Albeit felt that he has already received definitive notice from °t
both Mr. Mahool and Mr. Leathers that they would not be willing to rearrange their ,
subdivisions. George clarified that if Mr. Albert were able to purchase one of Mr. Mahool's
lots, that would entail reconfiguring the Mahool subdivision since it would be changing a :' t
deadend road into a through road. Cheryl commented that in this case it would be a
hardship case.
George was asked, and agreed to speak to Mr. Mahool regarding the possibility of
purchasing one of his lots to connect with Nova Lane. It was then suggested to bring Mr.
Mahool and Mr. Leathers to the next board meeting (September 26) to discuss the possibility
of connecting to Nova Lane. Viola even suggested including Cayuga Highlands in this
discussion since there are a number of separate subdivisions in that area, and none of them
are really connected.
SUBDIVISION, Carl and Helen Rhoads, East Shore Circle, Tax Map #37-1-7-22 and 37-1-7-
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• George Totman explained that the Rhoads own both #22 and #21 .2. They would like to split
#22 into two lots and extend each of the boundary lines into Lot C so that they are deeper.
The road frontage does not change on East Shore Circle for access to Lot C. Lot A will be
approximately 1 - 1 1 /2 acres and Lot B from 1 1 /2 - 2 acres.
The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. gi '
Lin Davidson made a motion toaccept the subdivision as presented; Jackie Baker seconded.
VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY k •
SUBDIVISION, Michael and Mary Reese, French. Hill Road, Tax Map #4-1-23 :1..
George Totman explain • o that the owners are moving out of the state and proposing to split
their lot into two parcels to sell. There is no house; it is an empty lot. E:
Robert Todd didn't want the Planning Board to get in the habit of approving subdivisions
without the property owners or their representative(s) present in case there are questions.
Cheryl stated that if there were questions, then the review would be put on hold until
someone appeared before the Planning Board.
The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration.
Lin Davidson made a motion to approve the subdivision as presented; Viola Miller seconded.
VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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OTHER BUSINESS
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Change in Ordinance - George Totman distributed information on a public hearing conducted
by the Town Board on changing the ordinance for set back of shrubs on corner lots in zoned
areas of the town. He stated that the ordinance was created many years ago when the roads
were only 50 feet. Since the road width was previously increased to 60 feet, the Town Board
felt the need to update the ordinance to reflect the change. Before the Town Board passes
the new ordinance, they would like to get feedback from the Planning Board.
Subdivision Application - Brad Griffin recommended that applicants pay more attention to
filling in the details of the subdivision applications. The other board members agreed.
Presentation to Linda Hirvonen - It was agreed that Linda would be invited to come to the next
Planning Board meeting, and would at that time be presented with the framed recognition.
Brad Griffin made a motion to adjourn this meeting; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
This meeting was adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
Submitted by Michelle Eastman
The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, September 26, 1994.