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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-08-08 1 1 t = 1 I 1 ii ti:iter li t' To Seneca Falls To Auburn y IME TOWN of LANSING 1 ,s 1 za'y ' Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty ' ® ' . , a ` `t \ . A;� ) 4 K 1 $ ilp W?4 Town of Lansing ` , x' 'r+ 4,1`. N t , Vi -1,1fri S 1 ORDINANCE DEPT. ‘ , in , O,k ,, }. k 1 Box 186 \ %t Lansing, New York 14882 �� � n t R. t . . To Ithaca , TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD ' Date : August 8 , 1994 { Time : 7 : 30 PM Place : Lansing Town Hall Board Room k; AGENDA ® 7 : 30 PM Open Meeting - General Business Approve July Minutes ! . 8 : 00 PM Subdivision - Nova Lane Discussion on road allignment 8 : 15 PM Nedrow Farms � ' I . Information as to the break up of 8 : 30 PM Subdivision - Andrew Sciarabba 8 : 45 PM Any other business to come before the board t /� z> F••• ThaLzrz . eveLe oRS aoru aaervc � - Sx %ew �sio no 01 (4.141s6:. ra pi) 5 piIrrS ii I { 1 i I 1 ' I ' � r t I tiff TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Monday, August 8, 1994; 7:30 p.m. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS (* Denotes present) * Jackie Baker Cheryl Nickel * Lin Davidson * Larry Sharpsteen, Chairperson * Brad Griffin * Robert Todd * Viola Miller * Al White ? * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer PUBLIC PRESENT William Albern Jon and Cathy Nedrow Andrew Sciarabba Richard Thaler Howard Visscher Larry Sharpsteen opened the meeting at 7:30 p.m. • Minutes of July 25, 1994 Meeting Page Two, Other Business, Cheryl Nickel - Larry Sharpsteen revised the sentence to read as follows: ".. . since her leave of absence request is in writing, her reinstatement request should also be in writing and be issued to the Town Board by the Planning Board. " Al White made a motion to accept the minutes as corrected; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY GENERAL BUSINESS Ambulance Service - Larry Sharpsteen commented that the Town Board has been exploring the possibility of getting an ambulance service for the town under the auspices of the Town Board. From conversations he has had with Jeannie Kirby, Larry Sharpsteen asked the Planning Board members to pass a resolution in support of this concept. Larry, Tvaroha added that the concern of the Town Board is to have 24-hour-a-day, on-site ambulance service seven days a week. Several of the board members commented that didn' t have enough information about this issue in order to pass a resolution. Viola Miller voiced her support of this concept, especially based on the option of having the service under the direction of the Town Board; Al White agreed. She commented that in the past, fire taxes have gotten very high. The response time for ambulance calls is a major concern of the Town Board' s; the town ® is growing very rapidly and needs this type of 24 hour emergency coverage. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 2 Monday, August 8, 1994 Larry Tvaroha commented that the Town Board didn' t realize their involvement until after the last public hearing, in which it was made clear the town will need to obtain certification from the official group out of Syracuse in order to reestablish an ambulance service based in the town. The Town Board needs to recommend and support the ambulance service. The Town Board doesn' t feel that it has had enough time to study whether a volunteer ambulance or a contract ambulance might be the best option for the town. He stated that it appears that volunteerism might be on its way out the door since it takes a significant amount of time and effort to maintain the skills and experience to be able to work for an ambulance service. He also commented that in the future there may also be a need to have a paid fire department, because there aren' t enough volunteers . He felt that it is too early to go on record in support of this one way or the other until more research has been conducted. The southern end of Lansing may currently be served adequately by Bangs, but the Milliken Station and north Lansing area may not continued to be served adequately as more construction in Ithaca begins . Al White made a motion to pass a resolution stating that the Planning Board recognizes the need for 24 hour ambulance service within the Town of Lansing, and supports the Town Board in their efforts to explore and develop the possibilities of such a service; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Sewer Study - Larry Sharpsteen stated that there are only two people still active on this project. He indicated that there will be position statement issued to the Town Board within four weeks. It will be in outline form, gathering preliminary information from the survey that was conducted last year with the Cornell intern; from information that has been gathered from the master plan; and from planning information put out by the state over the past year. This report will be pulled together to give to the Town Board to help point a direction to go with sewers. Cheryl Nickel - Larry Sharpsteen felt that the Planning Board should submit a letter to the Town Board officially requesting that they reinstate Cheryl Nickel. George suggested instead that this item will be included as an agenda item for the Town Board's next meeting. SUBDIVISION, William Albern, Novalane Larry Sharpsteen stated that the Planning Board would prefer one curb cut versus three separate private driveways onto East Shore Drive, as was recommended by the NYSDOT. William Albern stated that if the Planning Board would like to approach the State as to allowing road access onto Route 34, the developers don' t have a particular preference for the access to this proposed subdivision. Mr. Albern indicated that he has spoken with Pete Larson who recommended three changes as follows: (1 ) revise the lot lines at the east end so that there won' t be driveways coming off the ends of the 'T ' (Mr. Albern will be revising the lot lines so that the property lines are in the center of the ends of the "T" .); (2) road construction equipment should have access from Route 34 (Mr. Albern has asked for and been r l°: Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 3 I ` Monday, August 8, 1994 F I ® granted permission for this access from the state. ); and (3) the road must be F completed before any building permits will be issued. R 1 1 " r Viola referred to Page 21 , Section 602C of the Subdivision Regulations -- primary r roads as designated in the master plan shall be designed to provide an adjacent } ' service road or reverse frontage or to otherwise minimize the number of lots that will require direct access to said primary roads . She pointed out that this Planning Board i,` lately has been insisting on this requirement of new subdivisions . She questioned whether there would be a possibility to connect another road from one of the adjacent subdivisions into this proposal in order to better serve these lots . Larry i Tvaroha questioned how many lots are being directly served by East Shore Drive. it r. Mr. Albern responded that there would be two or three driveways having direct tl access to East Shore Drive. Larry Sharpsteen suggested that if there were two lots, they could share one driveway; and if there were three lots, two of them could still t, share a driveway. is Viola questioned the width of this parcel. Mr. Albern stated that it is + / - 500 feet ;F wide. The lots will be roughly 150 feet x 200 feet each. The average size ranges from . 7 to 1 acre per lot. There will be approximately 30 - 35 lots on 40 acres. Robert il Todd questioned how this proposed subdivision compares with the two adjacent 11 subdivisions. Mr. Albern responded that he has already gathered that information as follows: Eastlake parcels range from . 7 to 1 .68, typically 1 .2 acres; and Lakewatch ® parcels range from .7 to 1 .3, typically .9 acres. The Novalane development is proposed to range from . 7 to 1 .2 acres. Robert Todd questioned if there was a. municipal water through that area. Larry Tvaroha stated that there may be a problem extending the water into an agriculture district; he recommended that Mr. f Albern research this issue. Larry felt that they may have to wait until 1997 when this area goes out of the agriculture district before it can be extended. I I Al White stated that it is unrealistic to expect all the people that have built in the Smuggler's Path area to absorb all the additional traffic that will result from this , development. Viola added that this is why this subdivision has to get out onto the I road. Mr. Albern reminded the board that they suggested he approach Mr. Mahool as to his interest in negotiating an access through his Lakewatch development; Mr. 1 Mahool was not interested. Viola suggested investigating the possibility of gaining I access through the Eastlake development, traveling north in front of the recreation ' center. Larry Sharpsteen questioned if there was a way to 'create an access road that would be slightly offset from Waterwagon Road, since the south boundary line lines up with the center line of Waterwagon Road. Mr. Albern felt that this intersection would be so close to Eastlake Road that the problem of creating another access onto Route 34 would still exist. Viola felt the ideal situation would be to bring the access from Eastlake Road. Mr. Albern suggested that the most ideal situation would be to bring the access to Novalane directly across from Waterwagon Road joining Eastlake to Novalane, and closing the Eastlake access to Route 34. Mr. Albern indicated that 0 he is willing to approach the Eastlake developers with this idea. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 4 Monday, August 8, 1994 Larry Sharpsteen felt that with the verbal statement made by the state to Mr. Albern, that it leaves the Planning Board in a tough situation as far as approving the access onto Route 34. The Planning Board feels that there is definitely a safety problem with the only access to this subdivision being through the other two subdivisions . Also, there is the matter of unfair burden to the other subdivisions with increased traffic. Robert Todd didn' t agree that there would be a safety problem. Larry Sharpsteen felt that it would take extra time for fire trucks to respond to a situation at the east end of the Novalane subdivision. Larry Sharpsteen questioned the board as to whether they were in agreement that there needs to be access onto the state road for this development; most agreed . Mr. Albern questioned whether the Planning Board would go to the state with this understanding. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the Planning Board will write a letter quoting the subdivision regulations and stating their reasons as to why an access from this subdivision directly onto the primary road is needed. Viola encouraged Mr. Albern to explore the possibility of the access through Eastlake . Mr. Albern stated that he will first approach the Eastlake developers and if he receives a negative response, then he will ask the Planning Board to write the letter to the state. Al White felt that there were two possibilities for the road; the first being to seek access through Eastlake, and the second being to closely align the access with Waterwagon. Instead of the Planning Board just writing a letter supporting Mr. Albern's proposal to have access onto Route 34, George Totman suggested that a joint meeting be arranged so that there can be an exchange of dialogue between the interested parties. Larry Sharpsteen agreed and thought it would be much more useful. SUBDIVISION, ]on and William Brothers, Tax Map #17. 0-1-71 (Tract #1), #17.0-1-4.2 (Tract #2) , #16-1-45.22 (Tract #3), and #12.0-1-22 (Tract #4) George Totman introduced Harold Visscher who is representing the bankruptcy court in this matter. George indicated that he has had several meetings with Mr. Visscher, and it appears that each of the parcels is large enough and are on separate tax map numbers - so that they don' t require any action by the board. George had suggested to Mr. Visscher that these subdivisions be brought before the board in order to keep the board members up to date. Al White questioned Parcel B on Tract #3 and the corner with the narrow access point, and why it was going to be divided that way. Robert Todd stated that he is familiar with this parcel, and that line follows the hedgerow and contour of the parcel. Larry Sharpsteen questioned if it would be possible to combine that corner piece with Parcel A. George indicated that the parcels would have to be resurveyed. Mr. Visscher indicated that the width of the narrowest access is over 300 feet. Larry Sharpsteen then indicated that it wouldn' t be a problem to leave Parcel B as presented. S i Ab f 1 I s € . � I t ' . • . s Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 5 Monday, August 8, 1994 • On behalf of the Planning Board, Al White thanked Mr. Visscher and the Nedrow4.il brothers for presenting these subdivisions for review. Each of the parcels fall outside of the subdivision regulations because of the lot sizes, road frontage, and already existing tax maps numbers. SUBDIVISION, Andrew Sciarabba, Sperry Lane and Lakeview Drive, , Tax Map #26-4-7.21 Andrew Sciarabba appeared before the Planning Board requesting subdivision ;1' approval and a boundary change of his property on Sperry Lane. He indicated that he currently owns Parcel 3 which has access on Route 34B, and Parcel 2 which has " ' access on Sperry Lane. He is planning to build a house of Parcel 2 and combine Parcel 2 and 3. In addition, he is creating a one-acre lot (Parcel 4) which has road • frontage on Sperry Lane, leaving himself a 50 foot access to Parcel 2 and 3 with road frontage on Sperry Lane and Lakeview Drive. There is a "dear view easement" on _; Parcel 3, which requires that a major portion of that parcel can never be developed. The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Al White made a motion to accept this one-lot subdivision and boundary change as presented, and to waive the public hearing; Brad Griffin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN „ :, FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY t DEVELOPER'S CONFERENCE, Richard Thaler '1 Richard Thaler appeared before the Planning Board to present for discussion another phase of the Whispering Pines development. He stated that the road will ultimately :, connect water districts 14 and 9 to Warren Road. He reminded that board that this entire proposal was presented to the Planning Board in 1985, which has a total of 52 t; lots. Mr. . Thaler stated that he has now purchased a strip of land from the Ferris' , , along Warren Road and across from Farrell Road; it will be included in the main °r proposed development. This purchase was made primarily to deal with the drainage ``' p • from Whispering Pines. � 1 I John Horky's development of Pheasant Way will be connected with Whispering Pines .' probably in one of the next two phases. There will be only one road entering onto Warren Road and one on Hillcrest Road. Brad Griffin questioned the soil of this ' a development. Mr. Thaler indicated that there really isn' t very much soil, and what is 4 there really isn't very good for putting in septic systems. He has brought in over 28 �. inches of top soil for some of the lots, and has received variances from the Health Department to allow the installation of sand filters. The average price range of a " • ` house and lot in this development is from $240,000 - $360,000. 7% 111 x t I I:444 1 if jI 1 I I 1 p m Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 6 Monday, August 8, 1994 Larry Sharpsteen mentioned to Mr. Thaler that it has come to his attention that the • state is considering passing legislation that will require secondary treatment of effluent from a regular system; in other words a second leechfield. Larry Tvaroha stated that there was a survey of sewersconducted in 1971 and a current study which has not been finalized yet. There have been other discussions of trying to direct the sewage to the south through Cayuga Heights and into the Ithaca system. Mr. Thaler felt that any attempt at constructing a package plant would just be a short-term solution. Brad Griffin questioned how much of that new development is wooded. Mr. Thaler responded that the majority of the undeveloped area is wooded, and every attempt will be made to maintain those trees . In order to try to maintain the woods, the new lots are approximately one quarter of an acre larger. Mr. Thaler will be bringing this proposal to the Planning Board at their next meeting for preliminary approval. Al White made a motion to adjourn; Lin Davidson seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. This meeting was adjourned at 9: 00 p.m. Submitted by Michelle Eastman The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, August 22, 1994 . TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Monday, August 8 , 1994 lb " Y Al White made a motion to pass a resolution stating that the Planning Board recognizes the need for 24 hour ambulance service within the Town of Lansing, and supports the Town Board in their efforts to explore and develop the possibilities of such a service; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR ; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY -t :st :r p. ti 4111 41 • ` tft fj. ' a , :I ° <C 9 { ,1 : ;7