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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-11-08 • 17 0.14, I _ To Seneca Fells • To Auburn ' Py , L7 TOWN of LAN S I NG - . . 0Atv.'J .( rr ,,ri � " Nome of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " c. G . ik �411 tt. . , AS ` 1a � Yr N_Th J. r ^s i I% :_, ti tar, . 'et \\ 1 �i ' 3 a W. t ? x.fr rfr \ J., F'' Town of Lansing ` `1 2 \ � ..: :,4, �e ORDINANCE DEPT. t \ 1 1v f a : . . Box 186 1 . Lansing, New York 14882 1 I I � J s �. To Ithaca �T T �� /� _ i TOWN V LANSING PLA19i1` ING BOARD , .1 a s ' • x DATE : November 08 , 1593 TIME . 7 : 30 P _ _ PLACE : Lansing Town Hall Board Room i' a i. a. - GLNDA i a 7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - Approve Minutes of October 11th & 25th 8 : 00 P . M . Subdivision Request - Estate of Genevieve Batchelder % Randal Tarbell _ VanOstrand Road �e° Tax Map # 19 . - 1 - 6 . 2 r. ,nr .... S _. : 8 : 15 P . M . Subdivision Request - Ron Preston Grandview Drive & Pheasant Way Tax Map # 40 . - 3 - 28 'i a , 8 : 30 P . M . Reports on 2010 Committees 4 8 : 45 P . M . Any other business to come before the Board . a . :lit '1 • .. F I .r t . , . .( f; TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Meeting Monday, November 8, 1993; 7:30 p.m. PLANNING BOARD (* Denotes Members Present) * Lin Davidson Larry Sharpsteen, Chairperson * Linda Hirvonen Robert Todd * Viola Miller Al White * Cheryl Nickel * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman Larry Sharpsteen opened the meeting at 7:35 p.m. GENERAL BUSINESS Viola Miller commented that the County Planning Board will be conducting a meeting of the Metropolitan Planning Organization on November 10, 1993, at 7:30 p.m. in the Transportation Building. REVIEW OF SUMMARY FROM MEETING CONDUCTED OCTOBER 26, 1993 Page Two, Second Paragraph from Bottom - Al White pointed out that the meeting date should be October 12 instead of October26. Viola pointed out that no mention was made in the summary about the discussion of the November 3 meeting of the advisory committee chairpersons. Viola Miller made a motion to accept the minutes as corrected; Al White seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY November 3 Meeting of the Citizen Advisory Committee Chairpersons - Viola commented that this was a very productive meeting. Cheryl Nickel stated that Tom Neiderkorn ran the meeting and reviewed what each committee has done looking at the gaps. He gave them all some homework to do. Cheryl stated that Tom addressed in writing the specific areas for each committee to address, and he clarified what the committees still need to do. He also gave each committee a map, and started putting concrete boundaries on what their suggestions and recommendations are. The committees have been asked to have this information back to Tom and Cheryl by the beginning of December. Torn, Cheryl, and Harold VanEs will then be pulling that information together looking at conflicts and work out a rough draft These will then be sent back to the committees by the end of January. The next meeting will be the end of January, so that each of the committees can see what their recommendations work out to with the other committees - how it fits together. They are planning on trying to having it done by the beginning of March. Viola stated that it was agreed that the committees would turn in whatever they had in December and there work would be ongoing and changes could be made. Larry Sharpsteen questioned how this would affect the original agreement to have their suggestions finalized by the end of January. Cheryl felt that a lot of the work would be • finished by the beginning of December. Linda Hirvonen commented that everyone came away from this meeting feeling very satisfied and that all their hard work will bear fruit. » Viola commented that Dee Barber did receive funding for her grant application, but not the full amount requested. Dee will be continuing to work on her projects. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 2 Monday, November 8, 1993 » Cheryl stated that she had spoken with e toya Robinski, in the Administration of the year the town apply for nother grant and use Preservation League, who suggested that 1111 that for a feasibility study for what to do with the Town Hall building. » Viola commented that the County Planning Board is workingeon a r greenway 8: for a.m. - Tompkins County. There will be a workshop on Saturday, 12:30 p.m. at the National Cash Register Cafeteria. Parks and Recreation Committee - Linda Hirvonen stated that Gay Nicholson Town of Lansin withspoke and her last week. Gay's committee is very busy planning a bike path they have talked to the Town Board about itThey reservations about iving a tg on the bike paths.November 9 . Cheryl thought that the Town Attorney had some meese Cheryl stated that this committee is feltthisncomm tteeg a esurvey this needs something to�upport their to try to determine recreation desires. Linda efforts, which might come from the survey. Larry Tvaroha stated that this committee was involved in a public discussion on Crooked tHill vehicle traffic. The The quote is hetown has into Ludlowville, and they are very much in favor of reopening that roc received for reconstruction range from $300,000 0tto 1 ,5arother 000. me means town in and sreluctaut. nt because . there isn't anyone that lives on that road, and also looking at the option of cleaning it was concernat led that strollers, Town Attorney didn't ns, etc. can get through. Cheryl stated that this committee want the liability of even doing that. Linda felt that this committee needs the support of the Planning Board. Tompkins County Area Development Colastowe kk and talked aboun - Cheryl t ttracting businesses to a draft of a letter to Michael Stam. Cheryl had met with tion • the town center. They might be attracted because Lansing is located close to the airport. Cheryl felt that Mr. Stam was very positive abouN�t�mH�e a hely looking foset up a r group and some interested businesses in the area, some of some who are the kind of businesses that he would like see any ere. Liner ddthou htithatac� was exciting and also scary because there isn't any zoning or Chezyl commented that businesses also like to know what can go in around them. This focus group could be thinking about the potential of a future sewage treatment plant, especially if the town were to receive a HUD grant with one part for economic development. Viola questioned the area discussed. Cheryl responded thheWell La center. Viola stated een d that it is important that the north side of the road be looked at as ed that that issue had been discussed in the Economic Development Committee meetings, and went as far as designating that as a commercial/ land now owned directly by thearea. The acreage with the land that is not directly owned y the state and the ted as town is relatively small. I�really��'The EDC is openbeingnd itself to considering an again. Other than industrial/ commercial/ the town property, there is approximately 14 acres of privately-owned land. The EDC is looking at the land to the west as far as it butts up against the town land.Larry S Larry Tvaroha stated thought that land square with Cordon Road was because of btsing current lose and the possibility ry of being that it really wasn't being considered used as a buffer. He stated that its change of use is something that could be discussed within the Agriculture Resources Committee. » Cheryl stated that she will begin working on another school project with the 6th grade. • She also has received a call from a 7th grade teacher who is interested in this project. • Town of Lansing Planning Board • Page 3 Monday, November 8, 1993 SUBDIVISION, Randal Tarbell, VanOstrand Road, Tax Map #19-1-6.2 George Totman stated that Leigh Taggart, representing the owners in the application, is requesting a five-lot subdivision of the Batchelder property on VanOstrand Road. Mr. Taggart explained that the property has been in the Tarbell family for a number of years and the proposal is to take that land lying mostly along VanOstrand Road and divide it into five individual parcels. There are already people interested in two of the parcels (parcel A and B). The road frontage of any of the three larger parcels (C, D, or E) could change depending on what the board sees appropriate for that area. As sketched, the proposal is for three roughly equal lots with approximately 500 feet of road frontage per lot and 1000 feet of depth. Mr. Taggart distributed several pictures of the property to give the board members some perspective of the property. He stated that this land is farm land and is very level with probably a two degree of rise or fall and is fairly dry. They haven't done PERC tests yet, but understand that in that area the tests generally work well and water is not a problem for people drilling wells in that area. Viola Miller questioned whether he anticipates any future subdivision. Mr. Taggart stated that future subdivision is not something that the owners anticipate. They believe that the new owners will purchase each lot for their own personal use, and he feels that the purchase price will be attractive for that purpose. Viola was concerned that the size of these lots leave the potential for subdivision. He stated that the acreage is approximately 12 - 14 acres each for the parcels C, D, and E. The preliminary plat was not terribly clear that the north /south division of these lots was only an old hedgerow and not a road. Larry Sharpsteen stated that this is a long gradual hill dropping from the south to the north probably 50 - 75 feet over the ® full length of the parcels. He stated that if there were future subdivision, they would have to be very carefully planned for curbcuts. He stated that if there are three separate buyers, one for each of the larger parcels, each lot could support its own interior road. Mr. Taggart agreed, but again stated that this is not something that they are anticipating. Viola questioned if this was in an agriculture district. Mr. Taggart responded that this is in an agriculture/residential district. The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Within discussion of the SEQR, Larry Sharpsteen pointed out that the southwestern border of parcel E may be within 100 feet of the border of the New York State Wetland WG5. It was agreed that George Totman would measure the distance on the map and include that distance on the SEQR. Linda Hirvonen stated that in the real estate profession, a potential buyer has to be notified that that land is in an agriculture district. Viola stated that there is a new Agriculture Districts Board within the County that tries to protect agriculture (for example, the noise and nuisances). Al White commented that the only agricultural activity in the area might be a tractor driving up and down the road. Viola commented that this shouldn't be in an agriculture district. George Totman agreed, but stated that nothing could be changed until 1997 when it comes up for review again. Larry Sharpsteen summarized that this is a subdivision for parcels A, B, C, D, and E. Mr. Taggart confirmed that this is a preliminary plat with a final plat to be presented after the surveying has been completed. Robert Todd made a motion to accept this as a preliminary plat and to schedule a public hearing; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED WITH ONE ABSTENTION (Larry. Sharpsteen). A public hearing was scheduled for Monday, December 13, 1993, at 8:00 p.m. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 4 Monday, November 8, 1993 SUBDIVISION, Ron Preston, Grandview Drive and Pheasant Way, Tax Map #40.-3-28 George Totman stated that this proposed lot is proposed along the edge of the proposed highway that the town has called a paper street which will connect into the property on Warren Road. The idea is that the new owners can't do anything with that lot until either they or the person that owns tax map #29 (across the road) go in together and build a road. The only thing that can be built is the one property, which would be a flaglot of 60 feet on the end of Pheasant Way. George stated that he reviewed this proposal with Mr. Thayler today to see if he had any problems with it, and didn't hear back froth him so George is assuming that Mr. Thayler didn't have any problems with it. George stated that basically this is a flaglot with 1000 feet on the potential future roadway. The owners will know that when that road goes is developed, a statement will be in their deed indicating that there won't be any monetary value for giving up that part of their property to put the road through. They will also know that they or the owners across the road would have to put the road in; the town will not put in a road without them paying for it. Paula Euvard, representing the Preston, stated that George's explanation was very clear. Ms. Euvard went on to explain that when this subdivision originally came before the Planning Board is was believed that it would remain undivided, but economic times have since changed the thinking of the Prestons. Linda Hirvonen questioned the development of Pheasant Way. George clarified that the 60 feet of access is to the northeast of the town's road to the water tower. George Totman stated that Pheasant Way has been dedicated to the town. He suggested to Paula Euvard that the Prestons look at a depth of 250 feet because it will probably be a long time before • there will be septic systems in that area and the Health Department might require some more depth. With only 200 feet of depth, there might be a problem in the future. George stated that there have been some problems in that area because there isn't very much dirt on top of the stone, and the Health Department might require more footage to accommodate the septic system. Viola questioned whether the 60 feet for the road would be split between the two properties. George felt that it should be split. Viola pointed out that there would then be 170 feet after the 30 feet for the road was taken from the original 200 feet. Ms. Euvard stated that the Preston have agreed to put it in their deeds that whoever buys that land will not be able to ask the town for compensation when the 30 feet is taken away from them. George then revised his suggestion, indicating a need to increase the footage to 280 feet (30 feet for the road and 250 feet of land). The beginning of the property would then begin 30 feet back from the proposed roadway. The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. During the review, the discussion addressed drainage concerns. Al White questioned whether the drainage from the new lot would drain to the proposed road. George Totman stated that the road to the water was ditched, and that water from that runs along the regular road. This proposed property is still in an agriculture district. Larry Tvaroha stated that there definitely is a problem of serving this lot with water because it is in an agriculture district. Larry Tvaroha felt that the potential buyers would have to look at this issue seriously, since they might be mislead by being located so near to the water tower. As an example, Larry Tvaroha explained that the town is having a problem with extending the water line to Milliken Station because it would run through an agriculture district eventhough it isn't going to serve anyone in the agriculture district. Additional studies have Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 5 Monday, November 8, 1993 _ ° to go through the Rural Resources Committee which has been set up by the state. There may be at least a year delay before the questions of this committee can be satisfied. E�• Larry Sharpsteen clarified that this is a non-conforming flaglot. Al White was concerned that there would be some problems with water and septic for the person that buys this lot. Linda also felt that future development, as far as drainage, might be a problem. Al White made a motion to accept the subdivision as proposed with the cautions that there may be some problems with drainage and the possible non-availability of public or private • water. He also recommended conducting a public hearing; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: 6Fia ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY }y4 A public hearing was scheduled for Monday, December 13, 1993, at 8:15 p.m. As discussed earlier in the evening with George Totman and Paula Euvard, a recommendation was made to increase the depth of the lot to 250 feet after consideration of the 30 feet shared of the potential future road. This would be a total of 280 feet from the existing center line, and is suggested to meet future septic requirements. Larry Tvaroha asked George Totman to get a ruling on extending the water so that it could be on record at the public hearing. , . FURTHER BUSINESS < Graduate Student - Cheryl Nickel requested the reallocation of some money to get a graduate student in landscape architecture to help her draft some of the designs from the committees. _. She requested up to $500, which would be approximately 40 hours of analysis work including time with Tom Neiderkorn. Cheryl stated that are a number of designs to be charted, which would take a lot of her time. After review of the Treasurer's report, Linda Hirvonen made a motion to allocate $500 toward a graduate student to work with Cheryl " x Nickel on the Lansing 2010 project; Al White seconded. He also commented that the monies '. spent on the graduate student will balance out the other monies spent on Tom Neiderkorn. rt VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. JrvlfR Cheryl clarified that this would be for the student's hourly fees, which would be approximately $15 per hour. Tom Neiderkorn currently receives approximately $25 per hour. This student is already familiar with the project and is interested in working on it. She will a.® be hired as an independent contractor. Treasurer's Report - Lin stated that there is currently $4600 available minus Tom Neiderkorn's latest bill of approximately $800. Lin stated that he has asked Sharon Bowman 11,4 to regularly put together a spreadsheet of all the expenditures of this board. After the approval of the allocation of $500 for the graduate student, the total now available is approximately $3300. Linda felt that Tom Neiderkorn would have another bill to submit before the end of the year. Larry Tvaroha encouraged that a message be conveyed to Tom to submit a bill before the middle of December so that it can be processed on this year's budget. ' Larry Sharpsteen suggested the possibility of allocating some of the anticipated remaining 411/ funds as a downpayment for the GIS Maps. Lin stated that he has not gotten a quote from e Al Lewis' office yet, but is still trying. Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town will not pay for services before they are rendered. The remaining money goes back into the general fund and Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 6 Monday, November 8, 1993 the Town Board would look at that if the Planning Board came in with a proposal for next year's budget and use that as a basis. 41110 Septic Systems - Cheryl Nickel stated that George Stevens has volunteered to help look at all the alternative septic treatment systems for the specific town center area. He will be contacting people to find out what the real options are. He will probably be focusing on the possibility of hooking up with the State Division for Youth. Larry Sharpsteen stated that before the facility was built he had checked with the engineer-in-charge, and they were amenable to the concept. Vacant Position - Larry Tvaroha explained that one of the agenda items for the next Town Board meeting, to be conducted November 17, is a decision on a candidate to fill the current vacant position. Al White stated that after speaking with Brad Griffen he concluded that he might be interested but isn't available for the immediate vacancy. Viola thinks very highly of Harold VanEs, but hasn't asked him of his interest. Larry Sharpsteen commented that there will be a second vacancy upcoming for which he could be considered. Viola was concerned that the Planning Board hasn't discussed any of the candidates between themselves. She was concerned that some of the board members may not agree with some of the candidates suggested. Larry Sharpsteen commented that he wouldn't expect that everyone would be in agreement. Al White felt that there are several factors that go into choosing a new member, such as elements of compatibility, location, occupation, and gender. Larry Tvaroha stated that all of these elements are taken into consideration when deciding on a new member. Traffic - Larry Tvaroha explained that the Town Board has been very concerned about the traffic at three intersections: Triphammer Road and Peruville Road, East Shore Drive and Peruville Road, and by the school. The town has very little control when they ask the state for. something. The latest recommendation from the state is that they are going to put in a four-way stop at Peruville and Triphammer, and a three-way stop at East Shore Drive and Peruville. They have already reduced the speed limit in front of the school to 35 MPH; the town feels this may be on the low side. He felt that they would be putting the stop signs up very shortly, and the state will be monitoring them for any problems that may develop. The town was looking for a red/green light at both intersections since the overhang and the wire are already there. The town looked financially at whether it could come up with the funds to support it, but the state would not even consider it without first putting in the stops. Linda Hirvonen made a motion to adjourn the meeting; Al White seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m. The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, November 22, at 7:30 p.m., and will be held in the Community Building. Submitted by Michelle Eastman