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TOWN OF LANSING
PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Date : April 12 , • 1993
Time : 7 : 30 P . M .
Place : Lansing Town Hall Boardroom
• AGENDA
7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - General Business - Approve Minutes
8 : 00 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - SUBDIVISION - Clifford Buck
Tax Map # 27 . - 1 - 26 . 2
8 : 15 P . M . SUBDIVISION - Application - Steve Lucente
Tax Map # 39 . - 1 - 38 . 2 , 39 . - 1 - 38 . 12 , 39 . - 1 - 38 . 7
8 : 30 P . M . SUBDIVISION - Michael Hovanec - Tax Map # 38 . - 1 - 6
9 : 00 P . M . Any other business to come before the Board .
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• TOWN OF LANSING
Planning Board Meeting
Monday, April 12, 1993; 7:30 p.m.
• PLANNING BOARD
(* Denotes Members Present)
* Lin Davidson Cheryl Nickel
Grace Haney * Larry Sharpsteen
Linda Hirvonen Robert Todd
* Viola Miller Al White
* George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement Officer
* Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman
PUBLIC PRESENT
Judy Baker 1191 Warren Road, Ithaca, New York
Clifford Buck 355 Conlon Road, Lansing, New York
Wendy Busch 282 Buck Road, Lansing, New York
Larry Fabbroni 127 Warren Road, Ithaca, New York
Stephen Lucente 103 Salem Drive, Ithaca, New York
Larry Sharpsteen called the meeting to order at 7:35 p. m.
Committee Information
• Larry Sharpsteen suggested that any type of publication/ announcement be drafted by the
Public Relations / Communications Committee and be presented to the entire Planning Board
for their review and approval prior to going to print.
George Totman informed the Planning Board that the quarterly Lansing Town Newsletter is
in the process of being prepared, and that if they would like to include an article about the
activities of the Planning Board, they should submit it within a week.
Viola Miller questioned the board as to what they are looking for the Historic Resources
Committee. She wants to know if they just want to know town history. Larry responded
that he felt that the purpose would be to work together with the Lansing Historical Society to
give input to the Town Center Committee and to the Planning Board to establish a sense of
place. Also to identify what the historical highlights are that should be emphasized, even
from a promotional standpoint. Larry commented that he has been made aware of a
proposal by the Model Railroading Society of Ithaca to rebuild one of the original trolleys
and possibly site it in Lansing as a tourist information booth.
Viola Miller wanted to know the names of the people interested in participating in the
Historical Resources Committee. She was informed that Cheryl Nickel has a listing of the
volunteers and should request the list from her.
Larry Sharpsteen made several comments regarding the allocations of funds being made out
of the budget for the Planning Board. He feels that some board members are not
• communicating with the others as far as expenses they are incurring, and feels that this needs
to be discussed. At the second meeting of this month, Mr. Sharpsteen will be expressing this
concern to the board members in more detail.
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Monday, April 12, 1993
• Parks and Recreation Committee
Al White explained that the Parks and Recreation Committee had a meeting on April 1 . The
Committee was attended by a number of local people. The co-chairs of the committee are
Steve Lauzun and Dave Eckelson, both of whom live in Ludlowville. A number of goals
were set. People are interested in: a sledding hill, a bike path, school ball fields, additional
camp areas or positions, and concession facilities. The committee is working on a short-range
plan, which will be for the next four to five years; and a long-range plan. Mr. White pointed
out that one of the working tools the committee needs is an inventory of all town properties.
Steve Colt was at this meeting and discussed what the town now has at Myers and
Ludlowville. A question was raised as to whether the committee has a budget, since they
understand that the Parks and Recreation has a regular budget through the Town Board and
is administered by Steve Colt. The committee was wondering if Mr. Colt can release the
budget figures to this committee. Larry Tvaroha felt that all the budget figures are public
information and could be shared with this committee.
One of the big questions that this committee is interested in is whether any decisions have
been made regarding the new town land purchased. Larry Tvaroha didn' t believe that any
firm decisions have been made yet. Larry Sharpsteen felt that there had been some
discussion on what the restrictions are on the land as well as the rest of the town land. Larry
Tvaroha responded that there needs to be some research done on the deeds to be able to
speak better from regarding the restrictions. Larry Sharpsteen requested this information
from the Town Board through Larry Tvaroha.
• Al White commented that one of the persons in attendance at this committee had heard a
rumor that the ball fields were going to be shutdown after this year. This person also
questioned Al White, as a member of the Planning Board, as to why this would be done
since the ballfields are just beginning to get into shape, and it takes a lot of money to start
ballfields. Al White stated that he responded to this person indicating that there has been
nothing through the Planning Board that indicates that the ballfields will be shutdown.
Larry Sharpsteen added that there has been some discussion, but it was in the long-range
plan.
Lin Davidson raised the question about getting copies of the maps for use at the committee
meetings. Larry Sharpsteen stated that he had been in contact with Tom Neiderkorn and has
gotten a copy of the town map and a working map. He suggested the need to locate a
resource that was less expensive to make additional copies of the maps for the other
committees.
Review of Minutes from Meeting held March 22, 1993
Page Two, Last Paragraph - Al White corrected the spelling of Steve Rouzen to Lauzun. Al
White made a motion to accept the minutes as corrected; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE:
ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
SUBDIVISION, Clifford Buck, Buck Road, Tax Map #27.4-26.2 _
• Larry Sharpsteen read the public notice, opened the public hearing at 8:00 p.m., and invited
any questions from the public present.
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• Wendy Busch is a neighbor and is concerned how this subdivision will affect her property.
George Totman briefly explained where the proposed development is planned in relation to
her property. She explained that she is concerned about potential obstruction of her view
and devaluation of her property. Larry Sharpsteen explained that the Planning Board has no
control over where a. house is sited on a lot. Clifford Buck added that as part of the deed
restriction, he is not allowing any mobile homes.
Al White made a motion to close the public hearing; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SUBDIVISION, Steve Lucente, Village Apartments, Tax Map #39.-1-38.2, 39.-1-38.12, and
39.-1-38.7
Larry Fabbroni appeared before the Planning Board on behalf of Steve Lucente to request
approval of a five-lot subdivision of property belonging to Village Apartments. . Mr. Fabbroni
explained that #4 (38.7) and #5 (38. 12) are currently empty parcels that go with a building on
the other half of the lot. The lots #1 , #2, and #3 are theoretically still parts of the tax parcel of
the remaining 98 acres to the east of Village Circle. These lots weren' t developed originally
principally because of the Health Department regulations that existed prior to the time it was
zoned in the Town of Lansing. Subsequently, the lots were parceled out with the different
buildings for mortgage reasons or for meeting the requirements of the Health Department at
the time.
Mr. Fabbroni explained that he had previously been to the Planning Board to get their input
• as to this proposal, and whom at that time seemed to think it was a viable option. The
Planning Board then referred the Lucente's on to the Zoning Board of Appeals to secure a
use variance. Mr. Fabbroni explained that they have been to the Zoning Board of Appeals
who have issued a use variance, and now are back to the Planning Board to formally
subdivide the land that those five buildings will go on.
Since the original proposal, public water is now available. Mr. Lucente has given a site for
the water tank that sets east of lot #1 (38. 19), which is a one-acre parceL The sewer
regulations have changed, now formally allowing the fill systems. Mr. Fabbroni explained
that with the approval of this proposal there will not be any new roads to maintain or water
lines to install; it is all on pre-existing roads.
Al White clarified that lots #1 , #2, and #3 belong to tax parcel #38.2, which will require a
subdivision; but lots #4 and #5 will really only require a boundary change.
Larry Sharpsteen read from the minutes of the meeting conducted November 2, 1992,
regarding this proposal.
George Totman brought the Planning Board up to date regarding the public hearing
conducted by the Zoning Board of Appeals. He stated that there were only two people that
attended. The Zoning Board of Appeals didn't feel they had enough information so they
adjourned the public hearing to a later date. After receiving more information that the
Lucentes had prepared for the second meeting, the Zoning Board of Appeals approved the
• request for all the lots with an exception for #5, because it is within 500 feet from the county
highway. It was approved contingent upon whether the County Planning Department
would have any stipulations against it. On April 3 the County Planning Department
responded that they had no problems with lot #5 and should proceed as you will.
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Monday, April 12, 1993
Viola asked for clarification as to what the open areas have been used for in the past. Mr.
• Fabbroni presented an old aerial photo, and explained that they have been used as a trail
before the road was put in to two of the lots, and that lots #4, #5, and #1 have just been left
open. They are not mowed, nor used as playgrounds.
Larry Sharpsteen commented about the statement in the November, 1992, minutes indicating
that the Planning Board has no jurisdiction. Both Mr. Sharpsteen and Ms. Miller felt that the
Planning Board does have jurisdiction because there is a further division of land; but perhaps
not until a variance has been granted.
Al White made a motion to accept this proposal as presented as a final plat with a boundary
change on lots #4 and #5, and subdivisions for lots #1 , #2, and #3 from the original 98 . 13
acres and to schedule a public hearing with the stipulation that the Health Department is
going to approve the septic systems; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR;
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
A public hearing was scheduled for May 10, 1993, at 8:00 p. m.
The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration.
SUBDIVISION, Michael Hovanec, Scoffield Road, Tax Map #38.4-6
Michael Hovanec appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of Phase Two of
his subdivision. Mr. Hovanec explained that in June of 1992 the Planning Board approved
• a nine-lot subdivision, which was originally a much larger proposal but was scaled back. He
explained that the approved subdivision has had to undergo some changes as far as some of
the lots are smaller and NYSEG has required underground cables. There are three buildings
on the lots, and they have all been kept 200 feet back from the road to keep up the buffer
from the road.
Phase Two of this proposal is dividing up the larger parcels to include six new lots, for a
total of 15 lots. Mr. Hovanec feels that he has accomplished his goal of providing affordable
housing. The Health Department has approved the standard septic systems for several of the
lots to the north. The lots to the south have been approved for sand systems. His intention
is to keep these parcels to single-family dwellings. He explained that due to some of the
substantial costs involved with preparing these lots for sale, they now need to implement -
Phase Two in order to recoup some of their investment. He is interested in moving ahead as
quickly as possible. Referring to the public hearing conducted on Phase One where only one
person from the Town of Dryden attended; he didn't feel there would be a problem with the
public.
Mr. Hovanec clarified that the six lots involved in Phase Two are #J2, #F2, #C3, #C2, #B2, and
#133. Larry Sharpsteen pointed out the new lot lines for #C, #C2, #C3, and #B. Larry
Sharpsteen questioned how many divisions are projected for #A. Mr. Hovanec explained
that the original owner will retain that entire parcel and is not planning to divide it. Lot #J
in its entirety is sold pending approval. _
• Larry Sharpsteen pointed out that this will be a total of 14 curb cuts onto Scoffield Road,
which is down from the original proposal of 23. Mr. Sharpsteen also pointed out that the
Planning Board had requested that the developer look into the feasibility of developing a
road. The developer protested that that would place the cost of the subdivision beyond the
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Monday, April 12, 1993
point where it would be marketable. At that time, the developer reduced his request to put
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IIP in the development in two phases. The original phase was approved for the lots as shown
on sketch one, now the modification is being requested is shown on sketch two.
Robert Todd felt that- Phase Two is in keeping with what the developer has conceptualized.
Mr. Todd clarified that the curb cuts go from 9 to 13, not 14. Al White prefers the final
sketch in that the owners of lots j, F, and C can come back to the Planning Board at a later
time. He also stated that in view that the utilities are underground, everything is tied
together into one acceptable subdivision. All the parcels each have their own private
driveways. Mr. White went on to indicate that it appears to meet all regulations, especially
since flaglots are encouraged for land usage rather than naked land. Robert Todd
commended the use of the land in back. Larry Sharpsteen pointed out that the flaglots are a
variance to the subdivision regulations; therefore, there will need to be another public
hearing.
Larry Sharpsteen raised the question whether it would be possible for an owner of one of the
flaglots at some point request approval of a subdivision of their lot. George Totman
explained that there would be no way those lots could be divided again; they would not
meet the ordinance. Mr. Sharpsteen suggested the possibility of building a road from the
backside of the lots, which would then make the lots meet the ordinance.
Mr. Hovanec stated that the deed restrictions would be the same for Phase Two as they are
for Phase One, which are that mobile homes are restricted and that double-wide homes need
to resemble regular homes (high pitch fronts, concrete foundations) . Larry Sharpsteen
• pointed out that it is possible for someone to purchase lot #F2 and put in a duplex. Mr.
Hovanec felt it was possible. Mr. Sharpsteen felt that the deed restrictions and allowables
need to be clearly stated to prevent any uncertain areas in the future.
Al White moved to accept the proposed fifteen-lot subdivision on Scoffield Road and to
schedule a public hearing. The lots meet all subdivision rules and regulations and the
Planning Board has been informed that the utilities are going to be underground, which is an
addition and change from the last time. Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR;
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
A public hearing was scheduled for May 10, 1993, at 8:15 p.m.
SUBDIVISION, Judy Baker, Warren Road, Tax Map #39-1-2.2
Judy Baker appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a two-lot subdivision
of her property on Warren Road. She explained that she has applied for a home equity loan
and in order to do that they need to have the property surveyed and give the bank a chunk
of the land. She explained that she owns 21 .49 acres, and that they will be subdividing their
house and shop and a little bit of land from the major portion of the land. She explained
that they are just subdividing the land to put up for collateral for their home equity loan;
they are not planning to sell it. The new parcel will be a different tax map number.
Al White made a motion to accept this proposed two-lot subdivision as proposed and waive
the public hearing since there are no new utilities; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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Monday, April 12, 1993
Lin Davidson- wanted to make Ms: Baker aware through his experience that by creating a
IP new tax map number, the assessors will tax the first acre at $8,000.
The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration.
Robert Todd made a motion to adjourn the meeting; Lin Davidson seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
The meeting was adjourned at 9:34 p .m.
Submitted by Michelle Eastman
The next meeting is scheduled for April 26, 1993, at 730 p.m.
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