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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-01-11 To Seneca Falls To Auburn TOWN of LANSING • 7 " I-conte of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " vicA 1:3 • 114 Town of Lansing ORDINANCE DEPT. Box 186 Lansing, New York 14882 To Ithaca LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING January 11 , 1993 7 : 30 P . M . Lansing Town Hall AGENDA 7 : 30 p . m . Open Meeting - General Business - Approve Minutes Election of Officers 8 : 00 D . M . SUBDIVISION - Peter Duenkelsbuehler Tax Map # 12 . - 1 - 23 . 2 8 : 30 p . m . Boundary Change - Alex Cima Lot 7 & Update on plans for changing one of the villages to an Adult Home ( Horizon Manor ) 9 : 00 p . m . Any other business that may come before the Board . S TOWN OF LANSING Minutes of Planning Board Meeting Monday, January 11 , 1993 ; 7 :30 p.m . • PLANNING BOARD *Denotes Present * Grace Haney * Larry Sharpsteen Linda Hirvonen, Chairperson * Robert Todd * Viola Miller Mullane * Al White Cheryl Nickel * George Totman, Planning , Zoning, and Code Administration * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman PUBLIC PRESENT Carol and Daniel Baugh 50 Fiddlers Green, Lansing Alex and Candy Cima One Leslie Lane, Ithaca Norman L. Davidson 1812 Ridge Road , Lansing Peter Duenkelsbuehler RD #2, Moravia George H . Gage 23 Fiddlers Green , Lansing Carol and Don Halseth 14 Fiddlers Green , Lansing James Henry 201 East Cortland Street, Groton Harry and Jean Keller 8 Fiddlers Green , Lansing • Terrence Kenny P .O. Box 307, King Ferry Carrier and John Metzger 59 Fiddlers Green , Lansing GENERAL BUSINESS Acting Chairperson Larry Sharpsteen called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m . Review of Minutes from Planning Board Meeting held December 14 , 1992 Page Two, Paragraph Two. Al White corrected the spelling of Lyons Club to Lions Club. Page One, Open Board Member Position. On behalf of Linda Hirvonen , George Totman clarified that the appointment of members to the Nominating Committee was for the election of the officers for the upcoming year, not to appoint a person to fill the member vacancy. Al White moved to accept the minutes as amended ; Viola Miller seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED - 'UNANIMOUSLY Pinney Subdivision , Fiddlers Green Daniel Baugh, along with several families in his neighborhood , appeared before the Planning Board to address several concerns regarding the Pinney subdivision on Fiddlers Green . Mr. Baugh stated that he had spoken with George Gage who was concerned that any road that was to extend to this proposed subdivision would go immediately under his property. The neighborhood was concerned about how large the proposed subdivision is. George Totman explained that the proposal is for a total of six lots, the first four would become effective once final approval has been given , but the last two would not become effective for five more years (according to the Health Department) . Larry Sharpsteen asked George Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 2 Monday, January 11, 1993 • Totman to pass around a copy of the minutes from the December meeting on the public hearing for this subdivision . The second concern expressed by Mr. Baugh was regarding the intensity of development. They don't want to see the road extension continue farther to the northwest. Mr. Baugh questioned the Board as to whether there was any way that they could have some say to stop any further development on that hill . Viola Miller addressed that it has been the policy of the Town and the Planning Board that if there is a large area of land that is being developed and there is also land beside it, they try to request that there is an easement for a possible road into such open land . George Totman added that at this point, the road extension will only access those new six lots, and those lots are restricted from any further subdivision . Don Halseth stated that when he bought his property in 1981 from Mr. Finkeldey, he was told that there were no plans to further subdivide the property on Fiddlers Green . Mr. Halseth's second concern was on behalf of Bill Warmus who had his property surveyed and found out that the dog-leg where the road is being proposed to be extended is half on his property; also the turn-around on the road opposite Bill's property is short by a couple hundred feet of where it is supposed to be. The third concern was whether any environmental impact was done on developing a road through that property. Larry Sharpsteen responded to the third point by stating that the Planning Board did review the SEQR on the proposed subdivision which included an assessment of the road on the subdivision. He also stated that the construction of the road will be under the approval of the Town Engineer and the Town Highway Department, and will be built according to Town specifications. Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town Board • will be looking into the issue of the survey and the dog-leg being partially on Mr. Warmus' property. Harry Keller questioned whether there was any discussion of having the road supporting those four lots to be maintained as a private road . Larry Sharpsteen stated that the road has been planned from the beginning as a road that will be built according to Town specifications and turned over to the Town , not as a private road . Mr. Sharpsteen stated that the Planning Board takes into account anything the public brings forth , and will take the concerns brought at this meeting to the Town Board . He added that perhaps the Town Board will have some suggestions as to restrictions on speed limits, etc. Mr. Tvaroha didn't feel that the Town Board could make any restrictions on the strip of land that Mr. Finkeldey owns as far as preventing any future development, but felt that both the Town Board and the Planning Board could and would give any future development an indepth review. Mr. Baugh also discussed the concern that the existing bottom of Sperry Lane is a very sharp right-angle turn to get onto Fiddlers Green Road, which is sufficient for the current amount of traffic; but if it is going to be a major access to a very large number of houses, then it is a very poor intersection . Mr. Sharpsteen responded that if there were any more development in that area, the Sperry Road access would be nothing more than a secondary access . It would make more sense to have the primary access come from Ridge Road . There might also be a possibility of connecting with Beckwith Lane at some point in the future. • SUBDIVISION , Peter Duenkelsbuehler, Algerine Road , Tax Map #12:1 .23 .2 Mr. Duenkelsbuehler appeared before the Planning Board bringing a slightly revised sketch plan for approval . He explained that he tried to get approval for the PERC tests from the Health Department, but • 0 Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 3 • Monday, January 11, 1993 • had to change the lot lines in order to get the 150-foot circles for the septic. He explained that George Schlecht's office prepared the topographical map as per instructions from the Planning Board and the revisions required by the Health Department for the septic systems. Mr. Sharpsteen questioned whether there is still a limitation on a drain field or septic system required to be 100 feet away from any existing body of water. Terrence Kenny explained that this was not a problem with this proposal . The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and declared a negative impact. Al White moved to accept this proposed subdivision as a preliminary plat; Grace Haney seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY A public hearing was scheduled for Monday , February 8, 1993 , at 8 :00 p.m . BOUNDARY CHANGE, Alex and Candy Cima, Horizon Drive Alex and Candy Cima appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a boundary change between lots 7 and 8 of their property on Horizon Drive. Mr. Cima explained that the owner of lot 14 is purchasing part of lot 7 as a buffer. The remainder of lot 7 will only be conforming when public sewer becomes available. The regulations require that each lot contain a minimum of 10,000 square feet and 75 feet of road frontage with public sewer. • Al White moved to accept this boundary change as presented ; Viola seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA, Alex and Candy Cima , Horizon Villages Mr. and Mrs. Cima explained that they are planning on turning Village I into a senior adult home. They appeared before the Planning Board to request approval be given on proposed changes in the Planned Development Area approved previously. They would like to erase the easement for the future road running north along side of Village I . They require this land in order to meet Health Department regulations for setbacks. They will be remodeling the buildings, combining them into one facility . The Cima's are working with Fred Thomas and Associates and the State to develop the plans for this facility. This facility will house 18 to 20 people, and will provide the residents with food , laundry, housekeeping, and interim care. Each resident will have their own bedroom and bathroom ; there will be a large dining room and living room . No health care will be provided , just assistance by keeping records and reminders to take medications. If the resident becomes bedfast, they will need to be transferred out of this facility. If the resident has no family to take care of such matters, social services will place them . Mr. Cima explained that there will need to be a driveway put in to the back of the facility for deliveries for food services and maintenance. The question was raised whether the Planning Board can eliminate an easement on a Planned Development Area. Viola Miller suggested instead of eliminating the paper road , • moving it to the west on the other side of the water tank. She stated that Planned Development Areas are subject to change with the approval of the Town Board . She suggested giving a recommendation to the Town Board. 1 Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 4 Monday, January 11, 1993 • On behalf of the Planning Board , Larry Sharpsteen recommended to the Town Board that they consider moving the easement for the paper road from its present location to a location west of the existing water tank to facilitate conversion of Village I to a senior care center. Viola Miller questioned whether changing the use of a Planned Development Area requires a public hearing. Larry Tvaroha stated that this planned facility is a change in the use, but is permitted in that zoned area. George Totman clarified that that area is zoned for adult care homes , and all they need is a building permit. George Totman wanted clarification that if someone in the future changed the use of a Planned Development Area, would they need a public hearing . Viola Miller emphasized that a change in the use of a PDA must be approved by the Town Board. Larry Sharpsteen agreed with Viola, indicating that it is a change from the stated use. It was determined that a public hearing will be at the discretion of the Town Board . The Town Board will also act on the changes to the PDA. FURTHER BUSINESS Lynn Davidson Robert Todd introduced Lynn Davidson , who is interested in the open Planning Board member position . Robert stated that he had invited Mr. Davidson to attend the meeting to get a feeling for the way the meetings are run. Mr. Davidson discussed his background, and commented that he would have approximately five to six hours a week in addition to the meetings to give to the Planning Board . • Viola Argetsinger Larry Sharpsteen raised questions regarding Viola Argetsinger, who has turned her land over to her kids. The questions raised were whether ownership had changed , and whether it would be a major or minor subdivision to break out one lot from the large parcel . It was agreed that since ownership had changed from Viola to her kids, a single lot could be broken out through a minor subdivision . Viola Miller Viola Miller had two suggestions for the Planning Board . Her first suggestion was for the Planning Board hire a professional planner to organize the "town center" planning . The Planning Board would charge the planner with specific time schedules and ideas , then have the planner come back to the Board within the time limits set. It was agreed that this would be discussed with Tom Neiderkorn at the next meeting . Viola's second suggestion was to designate a member of the Planning Board as a subdivision clerk. She felt this person could review the smaller, one-lot subdivisions prior to the Board meetings, giving a recommendation . This would hopefully eliminate much of the time spent at each meeting reviewing the regulations for the smaller, one-lot subdivisions, leaving the extra time for planning . Robert Todd and Larry Sharpsteen agreed , suggesting to perhaps even rotate this responsibility to all members of the Board . Al White felt that people's personal biases would come forward. It was agreed that this suggestion would be tried for at least six months. The SEQRs and larger subdivisions will still be • reviewed in full by the whole Planning Board. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 5 Monday, January 11, 1993 • Town Board Larry Tvaroha stated that a joint meeting between the Planning Board and the Town Board is planned for January 25, 1993 . Issues to be discussed at this meeting are : ( 1 ) joint interests ; (2) update from Tom Neiderkorn (maps, modifications to the existing subdivision regulations dealing with curb cuts, density modifications in areas already zoned , projected a possible new zoned areas, and review of permitted uses in zoned areas) ; and (3) charging Tom with duties/responsibilities . Larry Tvaroha added that the Town Board is interested in filling the vacancy on the Planning Board as soon as possible. Larry Tvaroha informed the Planning Board that the purchase of the property across the road from the Town Hall has been finalized , and they will be proceeding with the planning . Election of Officers Robert Todd, Chairman of the Nominating Committee, nominated Larry Sharpsteen to Chairman , Robert Todd as Vice Chairman , and Grace Haney as Secretary/Treasurer. As the nominees had no objections, Robert Todd moved to accept the nominations ; Viola Miller seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY • There being no further business, Viola Miller moved to adjourn meeting at 10 :15 p.m . ; Robert Todd seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Meeting adjourned . • jesliu ant/ // 1 9 9 3 ?v h l, iusl :v9 fhrini ,3c1 ,n7 . 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