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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992-10-12 To Seneca Falls To Auburn '(171 F , , : ;,TOWN of LANSING “4 Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty ' ^Y' r = S ¢r5'^". 34 r u M Th '41 WIIN II Town of Lansing it ORDINANCE DEPT. I� \` '` Box 186 1 Lansing, New York 14882 , 'r I I To Ithaca LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING Date : October 12 , 1992 Time : 7 : 30 P . M . Place : Lansing Town Hall Boardroom Ilk le AGENDA 7 : 30 P . M . General Business - Approve Minutes of 09 / 14 / 92 7 : 45 P . M . Peter Duenkelsbehler Tax Map # 12 . - 1 - 23 . 2 8 : 00 P . M . Jeffrey Uotila & Tim Terpening Tax Map # 12 . - 1 - 23 . 2 8 : 15 P . M . Richard & Flo Pinney Tax Map # 25 . - 1 - 7 . 5 8 : 30 P . M . Stephen Lucente Tax Map # 39 . - 1 - 38 thru # 39 . - 1 - 38 . 18 9 : 00 P . M . Any other business to come before the Board • TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Meeting Monday, October 12, 1992; 7:30 p.m. • PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS *Denotes Present Roger Hagin * Cheryl Nickel * Grace Haney Larry Sharpsteen * Linda Hirvonen Robert Todd * Viola Miller Al White * George Totman, Zoning and Code Enforcement * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman PUBLIC PRESENT Peter Duenkelsbehler Flo Pinney Scott Pinney George Schlecht Tim Terpening Jeffrey Uotila SKETCH PLAN REVIEW, Peter Duenkelsbehler, Algerine Road, Tax Map #12:1-23.2 George Schlecht appeared before the Planning Board representing Peter Duenkelsbehler to request approval of a five-lot subdivision of property on Algerine Road. Mr. Schlecht passed around recent pictures of the property. He stated that the maximum grade is 12 percent, which is stated in the subdivision regulations. He also stated that he has a letter from the Fire Department Chief who has inspected the road and stated that it provides necessary access to the property in case of an emergency. He invited the board members to do a site visit to the property. Mr. Schlecht stated that the original submittal was for a five-lot subdivision. Three of which have immediate access to the lake; two of which have access down a common 30-foot access. Mr. Duenkelsbehler may consider in the future to work with the railroad to actually take the frontage he owns along the lake and put in a boardwalk, a walkway to two nice points on his property, and some dockage. Cheryl Nickel questioned the four-lot maximum on a private road without having to form a homeowners association. George Schlecht commented that he believes that Town Law states that if the road may potentially be a town road or be recognized on a map, the four-lot limit before a homeowners association does not apply. George Totman explained that you can have up to four lots and each one will on 15 feet of that private road; Part of each deed would be that road all the way out to Algerine Road. In those deeds, it would have to say that if in the event that anytime in the future the private road did become a town road, that they would automatically cease for a dollar amount the portion of the land that they own that is in the roadway to the Town without negotiations. George Totman stated that if there • are five lots, there has to be a separate 15 foot stretch from each lot all the way to the highway. It could be a 75 foot wide access. It was discussed that this question should and will be brought up before the Planning Federation to get a ruling so that it could be applied to this case. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 2 Monday, October 12, 1992 • FIVE-LOT SUBDIVISION, Jeffrey Uotila, Algerine Road, Tax Map #12.-1-23.2 Tim Terpening appeared before the Planning Board representing Jeffrey Uotila to request approval of a five-lot subdivision on Algerine Road. He clarified that although the total subdivision is for five lots, there would be only four lots using the private drive. Linda Hirvonen questioned north/south access from these properties. She added that there are already plans for development of the property just south of this proposed subdivision, and that in the future these may want a connecting roadway leading north/south. Mr. Terpening stated that currently the deeds do not have any provisions for any roads to pass through these properties. He stated that the only thing that is provided in the deed is an easement for utility lines across the drives to the Wagner property, from the original survey driveway. Beyond that there is no provision, and that Wagner has no provision for a north/south road across his property. Linda emphasized that Mr. Uotila would not need to develop this "paper road" at this time, only that it would be something that could be done in the future. Since adjoining property owners, Peter Duenkelsbehler and Jeffrey Uotila, were both present, Linda addressed them both in discussing "paper roads". Mr. Terpening stated that he felt negatively towards this since a paper road continuing north across this property would cut across the premier lot. Mr. Uotila stated that his marketing strategy for this property was going to be to offer privacy given the small amount of acreage. Linda added that what the Planning Board is trying to do is to provide for future generations by protecting the lake frontage and not cutting off access to it, and that these paper roads may never be developed in our lifetime. • Mr. Terpening questioned whether they would be able to do this subdivision without providing for the paper road. Linda explained that historically the Planning Board has asked developers to provide the paper roads in their proposals. Mr. Terpening stated that he did not find this requirement in the subdivision regulations. Linda stated that this requirement is in the design interpretation, it may not be in black and white, but it is part of the design authority that the Planning Board has. Mr. Terpening added that this paper road would be a considerable taking from Mr. Uotila. Linda stated that the land would not be taken, but perhaps 20 years from now building a bridge across the creek to the north might be a necessity and would be able to be accomplished through these efforts today of providing the possibility of the road. For clarification, Linda stated that she would like Mr. Uotila to discuss with the adjoining land owner, Mr. Duenkelsbehler, who is also currently developing, to assure that the paper roads will match up. She understands that there is an old abandoned road that could be used. Mr. Terpening stated that they have a request in to the Fire Department Chief to come to the property to check it out. Linda asked that when the Fire Chief visits the property, to have him state in writing why the road would be approved or denied. George Totman clarified that the Fire Chief has been instructed to only state whether the fire trucks can get down the road, turn around, and get out, not whether they will sink or whether the slope is too steep. • It was clarified that the lots on the lake will not be able to be sold separate from their respective main lot, legal access will have to be provided for the owners to all cross at the same point to their lake property, and that for the private road to ever be turned over to the town at some point, it must be developed to town specifications from the beginning. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 3 Monday, October 12, 1992 • Linda tabled reviewing the SEQR until the next meeting when Mr. Uotila can bring more detailed information regarding this subdivision, such as, a topographical map, a drainage map, a new map showing the paper roads, and a letter from the Fire Department Chief. It was suggested that Mr. Uotila talk to the Health Department about the feasibility of septic systems. SKETCH PLAN REVIEW and BOUNDARY CHANGE, Richard and Flo Pinney, Ridge Road, Tax Map #25:1-7.5 Flo Pinney appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a six-lot subdivision of her property on Beckwith Lane. Mr. and Mrs. Pinney own the property along the lake, but only have a right-of-way on Beckwith Lane. She appeared requesting approval of the sketch plan and also the boundary change which would give access to the Pinney's property along Fidler's Green Road in exchange for lake frontage for Finkeldey and Van Alstine. Mrs. Pinney stated that there is an agreement with Mr. Finkeldey that lots E and F will not be developed for five years, but after that time the Pinney's would be able to sell the lots. On the map, the property labeled "option to Finkeldey" gives Mr. Finkeldey the to option to purchase that property at a set price for one year, then he would have the option to sell that property to Mr. Gage if so desired. Mr. Gage has built his house very close to the boundary of the Pinney's property, and therefore does not want to see a road built there a some point in the future, and, therefore, would like to purchase that property. The Pinney's have reserved a 60-foot right-of-way to their • property along lot E. Mrs. Pinney stated that she was looking for a conceptual approval of the proposed subdivision. Linda Hirvonen commented that the Planning Board doesn't usually give formal approval for a conceptual plan, but that there is favorable approval from the board members as to this proposal. She stated that the road seems to be a reasonable road, and that the lots are a reasonable size. If the drainage plan provides for everything, it seems to be a very reasonable subdivision plan. Mrs. Pinney will need to do a new drainage plan, and a new sketch plan since the original one was for a much larger subdivision request. Linda began discussing paper roads in this proposal. Larry Tvaroha commented that what the Town would be looking for would be a provision for a road to the north. Mrs. Pinney commented that the road on the map will be a town road and will be built to town specifications. Linda explained that the provision for a paper road would just be a deeded easement for the future. The boundary change involves the exchange of 1 .88 acres of the Pinney's land on the south side bordering Fidler's Green along the lake in exchange for .42 acres owned by Arno/Finkeldey starting at the turnaround area of the road in Fidler's Green extending northwest to the Pinney property. Viola moved to approve this above cited boundary change; Grace Haney seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Concerns were that the drainage plan include how the septics will be laid out, the amount of • water displaced, and the blacktop. Larry Tvaroha commented that it will be hard for the Pinney's to say where a house will be built on Lot D since it is 6.51 acres. Linda responded that sometimes it is to a developer's advantage to site the house in relation to the other houses in the project. These lots would not be allowed to re-subdivided. Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 4 Monday, October 12, 1992 • Linda told Mrs. Pinney that because of the extensive surveys done for the original subdivision, and the resizing of the new survey, the Planning Board will not require that extensive of surveys this time. Viola commented that the Pinney's should go to the Town Board and tell them that conceptually the Planning Board think this proposal looks good, but before we (the Pinney's) put anything in, is there anything in the way of extending the Finkeldey road. George Totman raised the point that the new road would not be able to be called Fidler's Green, since it is a road that will be coming off another road. His concern is with the new 911 emergency system coming to area at some point and the response teams being able to easily identify locations by roads. So, the road would need to be named something different than any other road in the county. FURTHER BUSINESS Tompkins County Planning Board Viola began discussing the Tompkins County Planning Board meeting. She stated that she giving a questionnaire to each Planning Board member to find out what they think about certain issues. She cited "vision and planning" as an example. Reading from the minutes of the Tompkins County Planning Board meeting, Viola stated, 'The Board positively identified • visioning as something that was future oriented, provided direction, stimulated creativity and leadership, and negatively it was held that the term and the concept amounted to jargon." She explained that the comprehensive plan being developed by the Tompkins County Planning Board is trying to get information from the towns as to what they want in their own towns and how they plan to get it. This comprehensive plan would include information about roads, which would provide useful information to the towns as to why the roads are needed where they are needed. Revisions to the Zoning Ordinance Linda discussed meetings held with Tom Neiderkorn, and that he is preparing the base maps. The subcommittee has defined the areas that need to be worked on for possible zoning, south of Peruville Road to the lake, then up the lake to Myers, Ludlowville, and to the end of the town along the lake (Route MB). The map will not be divided by the road; it will also be on the east side of the road. The subcommittee has gotten the changes to the industrial zone done as per the corrections and discussions from the last Planning Board meeting. They have the proposed amendment to the zoning ordinance, and they went over the long form SEQR which has to be done before any zoning change. Linda asked for input from the board members regarding the SEQR. She and Tom saw no major impact that this zoning change would have in that area. When the Planning Board determines that the amendment is the way that they want it, they need a resolution referring it to the Town Board with a recommendation that it be adopted after a public hearing. • Expansion of the Tompkins County Airport Viola Miller began discussing the expansion of the airport. She stated that the airport is an integral part of our community, and that the community basically knows that it will be enlarged as necessary in relation to the growth of the area. She then stated that there are Town of Lansing Planning Board Page 5 Monday, October 12, 1992 • people who build there houses directly below the airport, and yet complain when there is talk of expanding the airport. Grace Haney responded to Viola's comments stating that since she currently lives in the area around Hillcrest, she feels that she can speak for that community. She stated that when she bought her house, she knew how close it was in proximity to the airport. She commented that the area is very beautiful and that it has a lot to offer, and that people are willing to live in that area even though it is close to the airport. She felt that when people are concerned about what happens to the airport, all they are looking to do is to say that the airport has to keep in mind that there are people living there, especially if they are planning to bring jets in 24 hours a day. She cited the airport in Orange County California as an example of an airport and a community that can work together. She stated that it is a growing airport and that it serves a lot of people, but that planes do not fly out until 7:00 a.m. because the people have asked for that. They have also worked out the certain directions the planes fly out. Viola responded that what the Planning Board is trying to do is not to tell people not to build near the airport, only not to build in the airport hazard zone. Grace commented that while she agrees with the proposed changes to the zoning ordinance, she thinks that the people just want to know what is going on. The people understand that there will be a buffer, but will it come directly up to someone's back yard? Being a research and industrial zone, will there be green ponds like Cornell University has on the other side of the airport? Generally the people see this as a good use of the land, but they just want to know how it will affect them. • Linda asked the board members to review the changes to the zoning ordinance before the next meeting bring with them any comments or suggestions. Larry Tvaroha asked if the recommendation will be ready next month, since the Town Board is anticipating implementation of this change in January, 1993. Linda confirmed that it will be ready. With a question in regard to the wording in the zoning ordinance, George Totman questioned that if someone buys a 10-acre lot where they don't have to come to the Planning Board. He stated that the way the ordinance reads now, they don't have to come to the Planning Board, they would just file for the New York State building code and health codes, but it doesn't go through the Planning Board. Viola stated that any industrial or commercial development must come before the Planning Board. George questioned where it states that in the zoning ordinance. Viola responded that it should be in there, to which George stated that he would look into it. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:25 p.m. Since many of the Planning Board members will not be in the area for the next regularly scheduled planning board meeting, the meeting date was changed to November 2, 1992. George Totman will be publishing a notice for the date change. Submitted by, • Michelle Eastman