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Home My WebLink About1992-07-13 - - To Seneca Falls To Auburn In* �� ` ` � � TOWN of LAN SING d� S mb {41, + i Y `F " Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " 4 � '.n L 4f 'w y if, 'M15 A . • t W 9 IS t Em Town of Lansing v � R. I v :- % -, 1 ORDINANCE DEPT. ,,.N 1 *, , Box 186 vII{I1 � II1 I 4f Y„,,t h ` Lansing, New York 14882 \ -, To Ithaca LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING Date : July 13 , 1992 Time : 7 : 30 P . M . Place : Lansing Town Hall Board Room AGENDA 7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - General Business Approve Minutes - June 08 , & 22 , 1992 8 : 00 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - Thayer Subdivision • Ridge Road Tax Map # 2 . - 1 - 10 8 : 15 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - Argetsinger Subdivision E Shore Drive Tax Map # 37 . 1 - 2 - 53 . 2 8 : 30 P . M . Boundary Change - Herbert Howell Auburn Road Tax Map # 28 . - 1 - 28 . 1 8 : 45 P . M . Subdivision - Steve White Ford Hill Tax Map # 9 . - 1 - 13 9 : 00 P . M . One Lot Subdivision - Kenneth Rau Ridge Road Tax Map # 16 . - 1 - 3 9 : 15 P . M . Boundary Change - Richard Haynor E Shore Drive 37 . 1 - 1 - 10 9 : 30 P . M . Request for Boundary Change - Add to Subdivision Ivan Burris Tax Map # 38 . - 1 - 16 . 2 411 9 : 45 P . M . ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT MAY COME BEFORE THE BOARD • TOWN OF LANSING Planning Board Meeting Monday, July 13, 1992 ; 7 :30 p.m. PLANNING BOARD * Denotes Present * Roger Hagin Cheryl Nickel Grace Haney * Larry Sharpsteen Linda Hirvonen Robert Todd * Viola Miller Mullane * Al White * George Totman, Planning , Zoning , and Code Administration * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman PUBLIC PRESENT Viola Argetsinger Paul Butler Dale Campbell Bob Elbertson Edna Elbertson Jerome Hass Joan Hass Herbert Howell Sue Losey Garth McMillen Glenn Munson Susan Reinhart Tricia Torney Nancy Tuhro Ray Tuhro • Cal Warren Stephen White Chairperson Linda Hirvonen called the meeting to order at 7 :35 p. m . Review of Planning Board Minutes from June 8 , 1992 Page One, Second Sentence. The statement should be "five lots" not acres . Page Two, Thayer Subdivision. The public hearing is scheduled for July 13 not 14 . Roger Hagin moved to accept the minutes as corrected ; Robert Todd seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Page Three, Argetsinger Subdivision. Instead of just listing Gary Argetsinger, also list Sharon Campbell and Gail Stockton . Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the minutes as corrected ; Al White seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Review of Summary of Planning Board Meeting held June 22, 1992 Page One, Second Paragraph, First Sentence. Linda Hirvonen would like the sentence to read , " . . . , it is her understanding that it would need to be whole-town zoning ." Page One, Second Paragraph, Second Sentence. ". . .that Town Board members in the past didn't want zoning ,". Page One, Second Paragraph, Seventh Sentence. Linda would like the sentence to read , " . . . it is my understanding that it would need to be whole-town zoning ." Page One, Last Paragraph, Fifth Sentence. Roger Hagin wanted to clarify that • he did not just say "NO", he explained it by stating that he wanted to see the results of the survey . Page Two, Second Sentence. The sentence should read "Joe Lusk wants to know what the future plans are of • the Planning Board." Page Two, Last Paragraph, Fourth Sentence. Robert Todd would like the sentence to read, ". .. , but the area by Robert might be against." Viola Miller moved to accept the summary as corrected ; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY GENERAL BUSINESS Grace Haney explained that the person she had suggested to assist in the tabulation of the surveys would be doing so during her working hours at her present job. This person's employer is allowing her to perform the work, but is asking for a rate of $ 18. 00 be charged for her time. Linda Hirvonen suggested getting a time estimate from this person to perform the work, so the Board can make a decision whether to approve this expenditure . Grace asked for some type of authority from the Board to go ahead with this work. The Board decided that Grace should go ahead with the work if it could be done for under $ 100. Viola Miller moved to allow Grace to go ahead with the tabulation and for her to contact Linda if she had any questions prior to the next Board meeting ; Robert Todd seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Viola Mullane stated that she has been concerned for many months about the trend that the Planning Board has been taking , and that the Planning Board is not a political body. She felt that the Planning Board does its planning from what it has to work with, and looks at issues from the view of planners. She likes the idea of neighborhood meetings, but doesn 't want people to come out with the idea that what they want is exactly what they are going to get. The Planning Board has to make hard decisions . They have to look at the land and maps, look at what is coming in, look at how to handle it. She sees personal opinion coming into the Planning Board too much. Linda Hirvonen thanked Viola for reminding us of that. Larry Tvaroha stated that he has been getting input from residents regarding the golf course/driving range. He suggested looking at definitions as to what is allowed in residential zones , since they were drafted in approximately 1972 and things have changed since then. The Town Board is looking for recommendations from the Planning Board for changes to the definitions. Linda Hirvonen informed Larry Tvaroha that the Planning Board is currently attempting to define the zoned areas, then will look at what will be permitted in the defined areas . In response to Larry Sharpsteen question as to what the biggest complaint was about the flower shop/greenhouse is, Larry Tvaroha responded that the visual aspects are the concern (e .g . , the bags stacked up outside and signs) . Larry Sharpsteen suggesting reviewing the areas affected by the outdated zoning definitions to assist in identifying changes that need to be made . PUBLIC HEARING, Glenn Thayer, Ridge Road , Tax Map #2.-1 -10 Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca Journal , opened the public hearing at 8 :00 p.m . , and invited questions or comments from the public present. Jerome Hass expressed his concern about the potential use of the land and buyer(s) . Glenn Thayer explained that the buyer of the land is planning to sell the house and maintain the building lot. Linda Hirvonen explained to the public present that the Planning Board really only has to deal with the subdivision of the land . Jerome Hass expressed his interest in seeing zoning in his area of the town . The public expressed their concern about the land becoming a trailer park, truck stop, junk yard , food stand , or visitor's center. With the planned expansion 2 • of Milliken Station in the future , they are concerned these situations will occur. Linda Hirvonen explained that the Planning Board is currently reviewing the zoning ordinances and asked for input from the public present. Robert Todd added that the Planning Board would like to hold a community meeting in that area of town to receive input on zoning, to which the public present responded favorably. Responding to the concern about a trailer park being developed , Roger Hagin stated that the Lansing = Mobile Home Ordinance would require that the land owner come before the Town Board for a permit, and that a "trailer park" consists of more than two trailers . Glenn Thayer again explained that the owner is not intending to build, just to sell the lot as an investment. Linda Hirvonen closed the public hearing at 8 : 15 p.m . Robert Todd commented that the group present for this public hearing would be a good group to organize for a neighborhood meeting to discuss zoning . Larry Sharpsteen commented that this subdivision has everything we are asking for and appreciated the concerns of the public. Larry Tvaroha commented that NYSEG is going to dead end Milliken Station Road and build a road perpendicular to Route 34B , and therefore will be bringing more traffic to that area of the town . Larry Sharpsteen moved to approve this subdivision as presented ; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY PUBLIC HEARING, Gary Argetsinger, Sharon Campbell, and Gail Stockton, East Shore Drive, Tax • Map #37. 1 -2-53.2 Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca Journal , opened the public hearing at 8 : 15 p.m . , and asked for any questions or comments from the public present. Bob Albertson, who lives across the street from the proposed subdivision , wanted to know what the use of the land was going to be. Linda Hirvonen described the plan of the subdivision , and explained that the Planning Board is not required to know what is going in on the land. Cal Warren , representing Gary Argetsinger, Sharon Campbell , and Gail Stockton , explained that this subdivision will be adding 100 feet to Herb Ley's property , and that the remainder of the subdivision is being developed by Ray Tuhro , where he will be operating his business, Ridge Road Imports. Mr. Warren explained that sign ordinances will regulate the signage allowed on the car lot. Mr. Tuhro explained that his business, which currently operates on the property where his home is located , is too much for his property, and that he wants a small area in Lansing to operate his business. He went on to explain that he would not use banners or markers at his business. He stated that he usually maintains between 15 to 30 cars, with an average price of $9,600 , and that the property would be well kept, and will not operate as a garage or repair shop. Night hours would be minimal , perhaps one night per week only until about 8 :30 p. m . , and lighting would be minimal to keep the costs down . He stated that he doesn't want his business to be an eye sore. George Totman clarified with him whether his cars would be "turn-key cars", which means they are all in working order and not there to be repaired . Linda Hirvonen closed the public hearing at 8:26 p.m . • 3 • Viola Mullane talked about the landscaping . Larry Sharpsteen suggesting having a word with Mr. Tuhro about what the Planning Board has in mind, to set the standard with Herb Ley to make a good example. Something modest but an attractive setting with maple trees with set backs and landscaping. Viola commented that the lighting is important that it not shine up. Robert Todd moved to accept this subdivision and boundary change as presented ; Viola seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY With regard to concerns expressed at the public hearing and in keeping with the intention of the Town Board and the Planning Board to develop a cohesive Town Center in this area in the future , it is recommended that thought be given to landscaping and presentation of the business with an eye toward long-term property enhancement and general enhancement of the corridor in South Lansing . The Planning Board is willing to work with Mr. Tuhro if he is looking for input. BOUNDARY CHANGE, Herbert Howell, Auburn Road, Tax Map #28-1 -28.1 , 28-1 -12 • Herbert Howell appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a boundary change to his property of approximately one acre from Tax Map #28-1 -28. 1 to Tax Map #28- 1 -12 to the property of Don Dryer. The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration . Al White moved to accept this boundary change as presented and to waive the public hearing ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION, Steve White, Ford Hill Road , Tax Map #9.1 .13 • Steve White reappeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a three-lot subdivision on Ford Hill Road , and to present follow-up information related to concerns raised at the Public Hearing held May 19. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the Health Department has already assessed that area and given their approval for septic systems and wells ; Al White agreed . Larry Sharpsteen commended Steve White for all his work above and beyond what would be required ; Linda and Roger agreed . Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept this three-lot subdivision ; Roger Hagin seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY George Totman informed the Planning Board members that people from that area requested via letter to be informed of decisions made from the May 19 public hearing and to be updated as to any further developments. George questioned the Planning Board as to what his action should be in response to this request. The Planning Board members agreed that they didn 't want to set a precedent by responding to each person, but asked George Totman to telephone Ken Davis and invite him to the Town Hall to review the records and ask any questions he may have. SUBDIVISION, Ivan Burris , Armstrong Road, Tax Map #38.-1 -16.2 Ivan Burris appeared before the Planning Board to initially request approval of a boundary change on his subdivision on Armstrong Road. Mr. Burris stated that he had received approval of a subdivision on this property in 1984, and again in 1990 for additional parcels, but had not filed the subdivisions with the Health Department because of the state of the economy at the time . He was issued a permit to build on 4 • Lot A of the original subdivision, and came in to get a permit for Lot B, but was told that neither lot was part of the subdivision. Mr. Burris' request is to incorporate Lot A and B into the original subdivision. Roger Hagin stated that since Mr. Burris had not filed the original subdivision, it is null and void . Larry Sharpsteen stated that Mr. Burris now needs to reapply for an 11 -lot subdivision with a new public hearing to be held. Al White questioned if the road with the right-of-way had been built yet. Mr. Burris responded that the road had not been built yet, but there is a right of way up to Lot A . Larry Tvaroha stated that the road would have to be brought up to the specifications required by the Town and be paved in order to be turned over to the Town at some point. Al White moved to accept the final plat as presented subject to Health Department approval and receipt of an updated survey; Roger Hagin seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. A public hearing was scheduled. for August 10, 1992. RESOLUTION, Gerald Rau, Ridge Road, Tax Map #16.1 .3 Gerald Rau submitted paperwork requesting the approval of a two-lot subdivision of his property on Ridge Road . The parcel is naturally divided into two parcels , one on each side of Ridge Road . Lot One meets the minimum acreage requirement; Lot Two is . 08 under the minimum acreage requirement. The • • Planning Board made a resolution recognizing that New York State Route 34B is dividing the property into two parcels and to waive the three-acre requirement for the parcel north of Route 34B . This is a resolution not a subdivision . BOUNDARY CHANGE, Richard Haynor, East Shore Drive, Tax Map #37.1 -1 -70 Richard Haynor appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a boundary change of his property on East Shore Drive. He stated that this boundary change is really just squaring off the property , and that Gary Argetsinger wants to keep a 60 foot right of way along the Haynor property to put in a driveway . The Planning Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration . Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept this boundary change and to waive the public hearing ; Grace Haney seconded . VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY FURTHER BUSINESS George Totman questioned the Board as to where in the regulations does it say that a boundary change has to go before the Planning Board . Viola Mullane responded that it is within the discretionary powers of the Planning Board to act upon a boundary change. Larry Sharpsteen questioned that a SEAR was not necessary for a boundary change . George Totman responded that his interpretation of the regulations is that if there is an action by the Board , it requires that a SEQR be reviewed . • 5 • • Linda Hirvonen commented about the Al Folkerson subdivision on Route 348 Meadowridge subdivision. An error was made in the numbers on the map filed and were recorded in people's deeds that incorrectly. T. G . Miller has corrected all the problems with this error. Linda didn't see any action required by the Board , just a receiving a corrected map. Al White commented that he won't be at the rest of the meetings this year, and wondered if he should request a leave of absence, or have an alternate or if the Board will work with one member absent. It was agreed that no action was needed . Viola commented that the Board will miss Al. The County Planning Board is developing training for local boards. The Board reviewed the topics to be offered and made recommendations as a group. Late in August, both the Town Board and the Planning Board will meet with the General Contractor of the Boys Facility to do a site visit and tour. Larry Tvaroha stated that the water district and the water tower off of Hillcrest will be installed and painted by winter. . There being no further business, the Planning Board meeting was adjourned at 10 :00 p.m . • Respectfully submitted , 7itte_L-exAfR , , Michelle R. Eastman Next Planning Board Meeting: Monday, August 10, 1992; 7:30 p.m. • 411 6 - / cm, . o �' C .� mss , ;� P641. 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