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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992-05-11 To Seneca Falls To Auburn TOWN of LANSING ' `�f " Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " M t; \1 Town of Lansing1111 1 ORDINANCE DEPT. ` , `'1 Box 186 l\ Lansing, New York 14882 1� 1 � To Ithaca LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING D ate : May 11 , 1992 Time : 7 : 30 p . m . P lace : Lansing Town Hall Board Room . AGENDA 0 7 : 30 P . M . OPEN MEETING - GENERAL BUSINESS APPROVE MINUTES - APRIL 13 & 20 , 1992 8 : 00 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - HOWELL SUBDIVISION S EARLES ROAD TAX MAP # 28 . - 1 - 28 . 1 8 : 30 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - STEVE WHITE FORD HILL ROAD TAX MAP # 9 . - 1 - 13 8 : 45 P . M . PROPOSED SUBDIVISION - HOVANEC P ERUVILLE & SCOFIELD TAX MAP # 38 . - 1 - 6 9 : 00 P . M . SUBDIVISION - JOHN HORKY TAX MAP # 40 . - 4 - 14 . 2 9 : 15 P . M . JEFF CLARK - INFORMATION ON ROGUES HARBOR 9 : 30 P . M . PROPOSED SUBDIVISION - HAGIN ASBURY & WARREN TAX MAP # 39 . - 1 - 7 . 2 9 : 45 P . M . ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT MAY COME BEFORE THE BOARD • TOWN OF LANSING 110 Planning Board Meeting Monday, May 11 , 1992; 7:30 p.m. PLANNING BOARD *Denotes Present * Grace Haney Cheryl Nickel * Roger Hagin * Larry Sharpsteen * Linda Hirvonen * Robert Todd Viola Miller Mullane * Al White * George Totman, Planning, Zoning, and Code Administration * Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman PUBLIC PRESENT Monica Carey Mike Cheatham Ken Davis Mary Decker Michael Hovanec Herbert Howell Charles Mason James Lee Mary Lee Marilyn Quick Robert Quick Janet Reeves Arthur Snyder Glenna Thaler Stephen White Hillis Wilson • Chairperson Linda Hirvonen opened the meeting at 7:30 p.m. and introduced the newest member of the Planning Board, appointed by the Town Board, Grace Haney. Each Board Member then introduced themselves to Grace. Review of Planning Board Minutes from April 13, 1992 Page One. Al Miller should be Al White. Page Two, Beckwith Lane. Restate the third sentence to say that the Penney' s bought one of the four lots. Page Three, Ashley Subdivision . Leechfield should be leachfield. Page Three, Howell Subdivision, Second Paragraph regarding the right-of-way. The railroad bed is 66' not 16' . Page Four, Howell Subdivision and White Subdivision . The Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Page Five, Vacant Position . Haine should be Haney. Roger Hagin moved to accept the minutes as corrected; Al White seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Review of Summary of Joint Board Meeting from April 20, 1992 • Page Two, Second Paragraph . Jeannie should be Jeannine; They to the people. Page Two, Open Land. The Town Board felt that they needed to have open land. GENERAL BUSINESS SLarry Tvaroha commented that there is going to be a public hearing held on May 20, 1992, at 8:00 p.m., regarding the land purchase of the state land and asked that a representative from the Planning Board be present to speak on the 'Town Center" concept, suggesting Cheryl Nickel. Robert Todd questioned Larry Tvaroha about where the financing will come from for this land purchase. Larry Tvaroha responded that it will probably be rolled into the same bond as the water districts, which is where they are putting in the two storage tanks - one on Hillcrest and one in the Ludlowville area. Grace Haney stated that she has had questions brought to her about the Bar from Pat Russell, who is starting a petition against the Bar. Robert Todd stated that he has had questions brought to him about the driving range since some residents thought it was a zoned residential area. Larry Sharpsteen commented that recreational use is not proscribed by the zoning ordinance, so it would be an allowable use. He also commented that the commercial building is not in a zoned area, even if it was in a zoned area, recreational use would not be prohibited. He went on to add that the main concern about the driving range is the bright lights coming from it in the evening. Grace Haney added that the calls she has been receiving are from people who don't really understand zoning. Larry Sharpsteen again brought up Site Plan Review and how the issues of Bar Harbor, the Day and Night, and the driving range . could be have been dealt with differently. FOCUS GROUPS Linda Hirvonen informed the Board Members that the first focus group is being conducted this evening and that Judy Saul stated it would be permissible to have one person there in an advisory capacity only not as a participant. It was agreed upon that it would be better if the Planning Board Members did not attend any of the focus group meetings, since it is too easy to be drawn into the discussions. This way Judy Saul can obtain information from the focus group members without influence of the Board Members. Linda Hirvonen also stated that she would like to consider more community/neighborhood meetings to obtain even more information from the Lansing community. FIVE-LOT SUBDIVISION, Herbert Howell, Searles Road, Tax Map #28.1-28.1 Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca Journal, opened the public hearing at 8:00 p.m., and invited any questions from the public present. A question was raised as to why this was a major subdivision. Al White responded that the land in this tax map number land has been divided into more than three lots, • 2 which under the subdivision regulations requires it to come under the major • category. George Totman clarified that if there is new public utilities or a new road, it is automatically a major subdivision. But if the subdivision is only up to three lots, it can be a minor. One difference between the minor and major subdivisions is that with a minor, a public hearing is optional, but with a major it is required. Access to the back lot was also questioned, to which Herbert Howell responded that access is available from Searles Road and Route 34. Linda Hirvonen advised the public that Herbert Howell is applying for a boundary change from an adjacent lot, which he owns (Tax Map #28.4-28.2), of 60' to be transferred to Tax Map #28.-1-28.1 to allow access from Route 34, which is a second access to the back lot. The first access is off of Searles Road where there is a 66' right-of-way on the old railroad bed. A question was raised as to how public utilities would be brought to the back lots. Mr. Howell responded that the Searles Road entrance is adequate to accommodate this development. A question was raised as to water being brought to the area, to which Larry Tvaroha explained that water comes in when there is a concentration of residences that request water, and to date all new water districts have been fully funded by the residents in that district. A question was raised as to the septic systems, to which George Totman explained that when the builders apply for a building permit with the Town of Lansing, they will not get it until they have a construction permit from the Health Department for the sewer. Linda Hirvonen dosed the public hearing at 8:15 p.m. Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the boundary change as presented; Robert Todd seconded. Note: Since this is a boundary change, no SEQR or public hearing is required. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Al White moved to approve the final plat as presented at the Public Hearing tonight Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY FOUR-LOT SUBDIVISION, Roger Hagin, Warren Road, Tax Map #39.4-7.2 Roger Hagin appeared before the Planning Board to present a request for subdivision approval of a four-lot subdivision of his property on Warren Road. He presented several maps with options for this property, and described his preference for the third map, which presents three lots of approximately .70 acres each with approximately 135' of road frontage each. This would allow hint a 60-foot right-of- way on the south side of the property to access the property behind the three smaller lots. By retaining the 60-foot right-of-way on Warren Road and the 40 feet at the 3 southeast corner of the property, he foresees the possibility of a connection to the Belvedere Drive area. Roger Hagin stated although that he doesn't intend to do more than the three lots in the next five years. Al White moved to accept the preliminary plat of the third plan as presented, since it falls within the subdivision rules and regulations and is an appropriate use of the land; Robert Todd seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; ONE ABSTENTION The Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the subdivision and to schedule a public hearing for June 8, 1992, at 8:00 p.m.; Robert Todd seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; ONE ABSTENTION THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION, Steve White, Ford Hill Road, Tax Map #9:1-13 Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca journal, opened the public hearing at 8:30 p.m., and invited any, questions from the public. Art Snyder stated that he had a concern with the restrictions listed on #5 of the Subdivision Application. Ken Davis stated that he had a concern with the water on Steve White's property. He went on the explain that the water comes from the west side of Lansingville Road goes in any manner diagonally across Steve White's • property. He presented several diagrams of the dispersement of the water, showing that a small pond sets in the middle of Steve White's property. Mr. Davis also presented pictures taken of the water on the property. He stated that others have tried to divert the water to ditches, but the water never makes it to the ditches. Mr. Davis stated that in 1956 the Town refurbished the road, and the rock ditches were cut off. His concern is for the septics and with the water on the property that it would be washing into the ditches. Mr. Davis stated that he had contacted the Highway Department about the water, but they stated that they only deal with the water when it is in the ditches. Mr. Davis stated that he would like to see some plan in place for dealing with the water. Questioning Ken Davis, Larry Sharpsteen asked that if the water gets to the ditches, are the ditches adequate? Ken Davis responded that the ditches would be adequate if they were maintained. Ken Davis explained that he has already put in diversion pipes to take care of some of the water that is on his property. Ken Davis also questioned the Board as to whether there is enough land for three more wells and three more septic systems. He presented another diagram indicating the location of the current wells and septics surrounding the property. The Board responded by informing Mr. Davis that the Health Department will look into the wells and septic systems to insure that there will not be any contamination problems. • 4 Linda Hirvonen dosed the public hearing at 8:55 p.m. • After all business on the agenda had been addressed, discussion returned to this subdivision request and the concerns raised at the public hearing. Larry Sharpsteen stated that the water was a serious problem and that Ken Davis had made a strong presentation supporting his concerns. He felt that these concerns regarding the septic systems need to be addressed, but that Steve White didn't cause the problem, just inherited it. Larry Sharps teen also commented that one of the pictures showed the stone ditches were blocked. He felt that if a pit was dug and a 20" pipe was installed to the mad, it would alleviate the water problem. Steve White stated that there are a lot of natural springs on the land, not all the water problem is from above the lots. George Totman questioned that the subdivision is just dividing up the land. Larry Sharpsteen responded by stating that a public hearing was held and that these issues were brought up and need to be addressed. Steve White commented that the land is all high grass and the water was dear in the pictures; It is not a creekbed. Both Al White and Robert Todd agreed that the costs to deal with the water problem should not be left for the buyers. Linda Hirvonen asked Steve White to consult with the Health Department and Engineer to get their suggestions as to what to do with the wells and septics and to bring their findings back to the Planning Board. Larry Sharpsteen commented how 411 impressed he was with the presentation made by Ken Davis and all the research and documentation he had prepared. Larry Tvaroha suggested perhaps adding or widening the ditch on the west side of Lansingville Road and down Ford Hill Road. Larry Sharpsteen questioned where the Town would stand in a problem such as this. Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town would address the County, if they would not deal with it, the Town Engineer would check it out. Robert Todd and Larry Tvaroha both stated that they would like to take a look at the property. Al White moved to table approval of this subdivision until the next meeting, June 8, 1992, at 8:30 p.m. MAJOR SUBDIVISION, Michael Hovanec, Scoffield Road, Tax Map #38.-1-6 Michael Hovanec appeared before the Planning Board to present a revised sketch plan for a proposed subdivision of property on Scoffield Road. He described the proposal which he would like to see approved in two phases. The first phase would consist of four lots under five acres, with the remaining five lots are over five acres. The second phase would mean dividing up the larger four lots into smaller parcels. Mr. Hovanec was questioned as to whether the larger lots would be for sale. He responded stating that if someone was interested in the larger lots, they would be for • 5 sale. Robert Todd commented that they way Mr. Hovanec has revised this sketch plan is good since he has reduced the number of curb cuts. Larry Sharpsteen asked about the sharing of driveways on the smaller lots, and commented that the deed restrictions would need to state that the last few feet of the driveway would be shared. Linda Hirvonen still would like to see a mad down between the lots. Mr. Hovanec responded that then this would not allow for affordable housing. Linda Hirvonen commented that she would like to see if the larger lots would sell first, then come back to divide them if needed. The Board reviewed the SEQR and received a negative declaration. Al White moved to accept the preliminary plat of a nine-lot subdivision on Scoffield and schedule a public hearing for June 8, 1992, at 8:15 p.m.; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY MAJOR SUBDIVISION, john Horky, Grandview Drive, Tax Map #40.4-14.2 Russell Ruthig appeared before the Planning Board to request approval of a major subdivision. He stated that the map being presented tonight is the same as the preliminary map, and asked to move forward with approval since there were no major changes and that a second public hearing not be required. He also stated that . they will be making peace with the Town Board and Engineer on the water and mad culvert. Mr. Ruthig stated that all the lots are currently under contract, and that the person who is purchasing Lot C is also purchasing Lot D. Linda Hirvonen commented that she didn't see any reason not to pass subdivision. Roger Hagin moved to accept this major subdivision, subject to approval of the Town Highway Department and Town Engineer; Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY JEFF CLARK - INFORMATION ON ROGUES HARBOR Jeff Clark appeared before the Planning Board to present information on his plans for the Rogues Harbor. He stated that he has plans for the "corner ' and will be putting money into it, but wants some guidance from the Board as to what they are planning. Mr. Clark stated that the Rogues Harbor Bar is leaving in September and that he plans on expanding the restaurant. He also commented that he would like to obtain a liquor license for the restaurant. He stated that he is working to put the restaurant into compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, and will be putting some work into the parking lot. • 6 He is concerned with the drainage problem on his property. Larry Tvaroha acknowledged that the Town is contributing to the water drainage problem, but that the Town is willing to deal with it. The Town, last Fall/early Winter, had tried to get permission from the last owners involved, to let the Town come in and open the ditches up. At that time Jim Egan had a problem with some of the wording in the contracts and the open-ended dates. Jim Egan has since agreed that as soon as the Town can get some dates identified and give those dates to him, he will sign the contracts. Larry Tvaroha stated that he has spoken with Pete Larson, who decided the best time to do the required work would be sometime in July or August. Once Pete Larson has specific dates, a contract will be prepared for the land owners' signatures, and the work will begin. Linda Hirvonen invited Jeff Clark to be a part of the focus groups, since he holds such concern for Lansing and the Rogues Harbor. Mr. Clark agreed to participate. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, • / Michelle R. Eastman Next Planning Board Meeting; Monday, June 8, 1992; 730 p.m. O 7 /6 cO #0 6 4\ Aiva / iv , /Pi/9 ejniii.v. Cr IcSoAteci 71971 p .c- - i / - 9Z_ 7. ,..( i y ' f' �TN �: ,isrT i f. i-•�. • / /6 . , .. f ' f }te / („C„,„.„,„,,,, ,_ . Ph t! F-} C,�. ( 7 ti‘ .: • S Cl - 2 3 'k9 ���''�i Y (�'t9' t�"^ � 'F / /' ?. 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