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LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Date : March 09 , 1992
Time : 7 : 30 P . M .
Place : Lansing Town Hall Board Room
AGENDA
• 7 : 30 P . M . OPEN MEETING - GENERAL BUSINESS
APPROVE MINUTES 2 / 10 / 92 & 2 / 24 / 92
8 : 00 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - LYNETTE MOREAN
3 LOT SUBDIVISION
TAX MAP # 38 . - 1 - 14 . 1
8 : 15 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING - JOHN HORKY
TAX MAP # 40 . - 4 - 14 . 2
8 : 30 P . M . SUBDIVISION - 3 LOT
MARY SHERMAN
TAX MAP # 39 . - 1 - 20 . 12
8 : 45 P . M . DIVISION OF . KARL DATES PROPERTY - ROBERT WALPOLE
TAX MAP # 12 . -1 - 23 . 2
9 : 00 P . M . REPORT FROM ROBIN BLAKELY - SURVEY PROGRESS
9 : 15 P . M . ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD
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TOWN OF LANSING
Planning Board Meeting
Monday , March 9 , 1992 ; 7 : 30 p . m .
PLANNING BOARD
• Denotes Present -
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Roger * •
ge Larry Sharpsteen
* Linda Hirvonen Robert Todd
Viola Miller Mullane Al White
* Cheryl Nickel
* George Totman, Planning, Zoning, and Code Administration
* Larry Tvaroha, Town Councilman
PUBLIC PRESENT
Robin Blakely Monica Carey Mary Decker
Mary Sherman Dietershagen Alan Euvrard Louis Garcia
Mario Gualdi Dave Herrick Steve Kearl
Lisa LiVigne Lynnette Morean Alice Moore
Glenn Munson John O'Connor R. Dean Rager
Russell Ruthig Stu Stein Barney -Termina
Robert Walpole
Chairperson Linda Hirvonen called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 10, 1992
Al White commented that on page three, Pete Larsen should be spelled Larson. Roger Hagin moved
to accept the minutes as corrected; Al White seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED
• UNANIMOUSLY
REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 24, 1992
Larry Sharpsteen moved to accept the minutes as written; Al White seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
GENERAL BUSINESS
New York State Council for the Arts Grant
Cheryl Nickel reported that she, working with Jeannie Barrett, had submitted the grant proposal worth
approximately $10,000, regarding the planning of a town center in Lansing. The proposals were due
March 1 . Linda Hirvonen stated that if the grant is funded that Cheryl will be working on the grant
project and will ask for a leave of absence from the Planning Board.
Intermunicipal Planning Group
Linda Hirvonen discussed that last meeting, March 3, of the Intermunicipal Planning Group. She
stated that Judy Sol from the Community Dispute Resolution Center gave a presentation on the
services available through her organization. Linda Hirvonen commented that this service may be
valuable in the conducting of the focus groups for neighborhoods planned for the Town Center
project.
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George Totman discussed the next meeting, which is to be held April 1 and 2, from 6:30 - 9:30 p.m.,
• and will cover the following topics: SEQR, Site Plan Review, Incentive Zoning, and a question and
answer period. The charge is $35.00 per person. Linda Hirvonen stated that she believed the Town
Board would be willing to pay for this charge for any Planning Board member to attend the meetings.
Training Session at NYSEG
George Totman informed the Planning Board members that the Department of State, Jim Kuhnes and
Dick Booz, will be conducting a meeting on ZBA issues as they affect planning board and town board
members. The meeting is free except the cost of a box lunch, and will be held on March 28.
PUBLIC HEARING, Lynnette Morean, Armstrong Road, Tax Map #38:1-14.1
Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca Journal, opened the public hearing at
8:00 p.m., and asked for any questions or comments from the public present. As the public present
had no questions regarding this three-lot subdivision, Larry Sharpsteen moved to close the public
hearing with the option to reopen if anyone appears with questions on this issue; Al White seconded.
VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
Larry Sharpsteen moved to approve this three-lot subdivision; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN
FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION, Helen Ashley, Brookhaven Drive, Tax Map #39.-1-20.12
Mary Sherman, an Associate with Wilson Real Estate, appeared before the Planning Board acting as an
agent for Helen Ashley to request approval for a three-lot subdivision of Ms. Ashley's property.
Linda Hirvonen suggested handling this as a minor subdivision, even though the property is divided
• by a road. The SEQR was reviewed and received a negative declaration. Linda Hirvonen informed
Mary Sherman that a survey of the property will need to be prepared and brought to the Planning
Board before final approval can be given.
Al White moved to accept the preliminary plat and to schedule a public hearing for April 13 at 8:00
p.m.; Larry Sharpsteen seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
PUBLIC HEARING, John Horky, Grandview Drive, Tax Map #40.-4-142
Linda Hirvonen read the public notice published in the Ithaca Journal, opened the public hearing at
8:15 p.m., and asked for any questions or comments from the public present. Louis Garcia raised a
question about the drainage that his lot currently gets from Lot D. He wanted to know if there were
any plans for that Lot D and whether it will increase water flow. Russell Ruthig responded that the
lot has been restricted to a single family residential lot and that the house would most likely be built
substantially towards the front of the lot. Mr. Ruthig stated that he believed that Mr. Garcia might
even see some relief of the drainage to his property. Lisa LiVigne raised a question as to whether the
owner might be able to build a house at the front of the lot and raise pigs in the back. Russell Ruthig
responded that zoning would prevent that. Roger Hagin commented that the property is currently in
an agriculture district, but the purchase made by the new owner would not allow the property to stay
in that district. Ms. LiVigne also raised a question as to the drainage and the ditch culvert. Mr.
Ruthig stated that the road extension will be built to town specifications and that the culvert has been
taken into consideration. George Totman informed the Planning Board members that all the neighbors
in the neighborhood received notification of this public hearing. Al White moved to close the public
hearing; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
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Russell Ruthig stated that he had met with the Town Supervisor, Town Attorney, and the Town
• Engineer, and felt that the issue are being worked out by all involved. Dave Herrick stated that out of
the meeting he had three main concerns as follows: 1) that there be some language in the approval of
the plat regarding Lot D being developed and requiring the extension of that road; 2) that the town
have right to, with its own finances, be able to complete the road extension; and 3) that the land to
west also be required in future subdivisions to provide for a through street to another town road. Al
White commented that the land to the west of this subdivision should not be discussed in this
subdivision. The road as proposed is as far as Grandview Drive goes until another subdivision is
brought forward.
Larry Tvaroha stated that the Town Board is comfortable with the concept of the roads and feels that
an agreement can be worked out on the water extensions. He advised the Planning Board to proceed.
Al White moved to accept this major subdivision as presented; Roger Hagin seconded. VOTE: ALL
IN FAVOR; MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
DIVISION OF KARL DATES PROPERTY, Robert Walpole, Algerine Road, Tax Map #12.-1-23.2
Robert Walpole appeared before the Planning Board representing the estate of Karl Dates. He
presented a plan which he wanted to discuss the concept of and to get any legal ramifications that
might be involved. He stated that there are 182 acres being considered to be divided into three large
lots. Each lot will comply with the subdivision regulations which require 300 feet of. road frontage
and at least three acres of property each. He continued stating that Lot 1 contains the beach house
and 500 feet of lake frontage, Lot 2 contains no buildings and 767 feet of lake frontage; and Lot 3
contains a garage and a old shed with 1,266 feet of lake frontage. The deeds will contain a restriction
over the road with each parcel having a rightaway. Mr. Walpole stated that they • have cut a road into
• Lot 1 to allow access to each lot currently. Al White questioned Mr. Walpole as to access to the
cottage on the lake to which Mr. Walpole responded that the road by Mr. Dates' house contains 60
feet of road frontage which will be utilized for this subdivision.
Linda Hirvonen stated that this really isn' t a subdivision. Mr. Walpole commented that they wanted
to let the Planning Board know what is going on so they could better inform the public. The parcel
where Mr. Dates' house is on is a separate piece which is not included in this proposal. Mr. Walpole
stated that the Town owns the road to the curve on Algerine Road. Al White stated that this proposal
meets all requirements, but that further development of Lot 1 will be a problem. Roger Hagin stated
that Lot 3 will also be a problem when looking for a second access. Linda Hirvonen commented that
this situation will limit further subdivision.
Linda Hirvonen stated that this proposal is presently conceptually in compliance with the rules and
regulations for the Town, but that any further development with the plan will be extremely difficult
because of the lack of a second means of egress.
FURTHER BUSINESS
Robin Blakely introduced Mario Gualdi, another student from Stu Stein's class who will be working
with her on this project, and Stu Stein, from the City Regional Planning Group. Robin reviewed what
was discussed in the last meeting. She discussed the timetable she had prepared. She stated that if
the Planning Board wants a completed written analysis by mid-May, it will take approximately 200
hours of work. She stated that she could spend five weeks on interviewing, with individual
interviews taking approximately two hours each and focus groups taking three hours each. She
discussed that there are three options available for the interviewing process: individual interviews -
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approximately 40; focus groups - approximately 10 - 15; or a combination of both - 15 individual
• interviews and 6 - 8 focus groups. She stated that focus groups need an impartial group leader. She
mentioned that the Community Dispute Resolution Center has trained volunteers that might be able to
act as group leaders, but that there would be a charge for this service. Robin stated that she and
Mario would still assist during these group sessions. Cheryl Nickel stated that she would look into
the rates for this service and the availability of group leaders.
Robin Blakely handed out a sample of questions that she and Mario had generated for both individual
interviews and the focus groups. She began to discuss each question with the Board Members as to
whether they were appropriate or not. Discussion revolved around being more specific with the
questions. They were told to ask the community about transportation services (TomTran), increased
traffic, a medical facility, a child care facility, a retirement facility, a library, and a new postal facility.
Larry Tvaroha also suggested asking them how the job market will meet their needs in the future. He
also suggested questioning them about recreational land and open space. He stated that the Town
wants to know what the people think since the Town has an opportunity to purchase lake frontage
property as well as land in the Town Center.
It was decided that an identification letter that Robin and Mario could present to the persons they are
interviewing would be appropriate. Linda Hirvonen agreed to prepare this identification letter, which
would identify Robin and Mario as students from Cornell working for the Town of Lansing Planning
Board. It was decided to open the interviews and group meetings with a brief summary of the issues
and concerns. Tell them that Lansing is the fastest growing in population. Give them a statement of
purpose, the planning of the future of Lansing.
Stu Stein suggested the possibility of the Planning Board looking at a new set of questions and
. perhaps a test interview prior to Robin and Mario starting the interviews.
It was decided that Robin and Mario would meet with Linda, Al, Larry, and Roger at the Town Hall
on Friday, March 13, to try to finalize the interview questions and the list of persons to interview.
Roger Hagin moved to adjourn; Cheryl Nickel seconded.
There being no further business, the Planning Board meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Michelle R. Eastman
Nat Planning Board Meeting: Monday, March 23, 1992; 7:30 p.m.
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