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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-06-04 T : Seneca Pais - TOWN of LANSING n � , ` " Home of Industry, Agriculture end Scenic Beauty " G \ III Al . Town of Lansing ` ORDINANCE DEPT. Box 186 ? \� Lansing, New York 14882 To IlheCO LANSING REGULAR PLANNING BOARD MEETING DATE : June, 1990 TIME : 7 : 30 P . M . FROM : George L . Totman PLACE : Lansing Town Hall Boardroom AGENDA i 7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - General Business - Approve Minutes of May 07 , 1990 8 : 00 P . M . Cayuga Realty Assoc ' s proposed Subdivision 8 : 15 P . M . Judy Emmick - One Lot Subdivision 8 : 30 P . M . Proposed Housing at Portland Point - Fred Thomas Associates , Jim Loveall & Scott Hughes 8 : 45 P . M . Any other business to come before the Board 411 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING Monday , June 4 , 1990 ; 7 : 30 p . m . PLANNING BOARD * Denotes Present * Al White Larry Sharpsteen * Carol Kammen * Roger Hagin * Linda Hirvonen Viola Mullane * Frances Ramin * Larry Tvaroha , Town Councilman * George Totman , Planning , Zoning and Code Administration Office * David Herrick , Town Engineer PUBLIC PRESENT Barney Termina Leslie Reizes Fred Campbell Betty Campbell Judy Emmick Michael Schwartz , Lead Architect - Fred H . Thomas Assoc . Scott Hughes , Landscape Architect - Fred H . Thomas Assoc . Cindy Bizell , Environment Engineer - Fred H . Thomas Assoc . 411 Robert Rudy Robert Shaw Dick Shulman Al White , Chairman , called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 34 p . m . REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD. MINUTES . OF MAY 7 , 1990 The first order of business was to review the Planning Board Minutes of May 7 , 1990 . Page 3 . ALAN EUVARD , PROPOSED 9 LOT MAJOR SUBDIVISION ( LOCATED ON THE. NORTHEAST SIDE. OF HILLCREST ROAD ) . Roger Hagin directed the Planning Board members to paragraph 1 regarding Chairman White ' s statementthat the proposed. Euvard Subdivision will result in more " fills " and questioned whether this should be " spills." . Chairman White stated that it should. be " spills " as the Planning Board had been discussing raw sewage being emitted from one of the houses in the Whispering Pine Subdivision. . 110 Page 4 . DAVID AND MARY FLINN , PROPOSED SUBDIVISION REQUEST , LOCATED OFF ROSS ROAD , TAX. MAP NOS . 25 - 1 - 1 AND 25 - 1 - 3 . 1 . Carol Kammen directed the Planning Board membersto paragraph 4 regarding Mr . Thaler ' s statement concerning the Subdivision of the 60 foot right - of -way and questioned if the Flinns wereactually subdividing the 60 foot. right - of -way . George Totman stated that they were proposing 4 different owners in that right - of -way and clarified that they were intending subdividing the right- of -way . L inda Hirvonen directed the Planning Board members to paragraph 6 and pointed out that Chairman White ' s statement. that " this proposed Subdivision is a Town Board function" was incorrect and shouldbe amended to show that the subject of the road is a Town Board function . P age 5 . BARNEY TERMINA , PROPOSED 6 LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED_ ON ARMSTRONG. ROAD ( Near Franklin. Drive ) , TAX MAP NO . 38 - 1 - 1 . 2 Linda Hirvonen statedthat the Public Hearing for this. proposed Subdivision was not cancelled dueto changed in the regulations . Carol Kammen statedthat the minutes should be amended to state that the Public Hearing was cancelled by order of the Town Supervisor . P age 5 . Carol Kammen stated that the wording regarding the P lanning Board going in to Executive Session be amended to read ® Carol Kammen requested that the Planning Board go in to Executive S ession . Carol Kammen moved that the Planning Board minutes of. May 7 , 1990 be accepted , as amended ; Roger Hagin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY GENERAL. DISCUSSION ALAN EUVARD , PROPOSED 9 LOT. MAJOR . SUBDIVISION ( LOCATED. ON THE: NORTHEAST SIDE. OF HILL.CREST ROAD ) . L inda Hirvonen stated that in view ofthe information received from the Health Department , she moved that any further action on this Subdivision be tabled until all. questions. posedby the Health Department have been answered to their satisfaction and to the satisfaction of the Planning Board_; Carol Kammen seconded. the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ® Chairman White requested that the minutes reflect that the 2 ® Planning Board , after going into Executive Session after the. May 7 , 1990 meeting , reopened the Planning Board Meeting and that in ✓ iew of the comments received at the Public Hearing , and upon other information received. from Mr . Herrick regarding thedrainage and water problemsin the. Whispering Pines Subdivision and adjacent. Euvard Subdivision , that the Planning Board was going to ask for an Environmental Impact. Statement from Mr . Euvard prior to any further action by the Planning Board . George Totman asked if Mr . Euvard hadbeen notified of this . request . Chairman White stated that a letter had not yet been. sent . PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS . Linda Hirvonen stated that there was some confusion aboutwhat n ights the. Planning. Board actually met.. Carol Kammen proposed. going back to the 2nd and 4th Mondays ofthe month instead of the 1st and 3rd Mondays . Chairman White stated that Larry Sharpsteen. had scheduling conf.lictswith meetingsduring the 1st week and. that. George Totman had conflicts due to Fire Department. meetings . It was decided that any changes should be discussed with Viola. Mullane. and Larry Sharpsteen and would be subject to their approval of the change . Carol Kammen stated that she would contact Larry Sharpsteen and Frances Ramin statedshe would contact Viola Mullane. . Linda Hirvonen stated that a formal census of the Board will be done at the June 18 , 1990 meeting before making a final ® decision . PLANNING BOARD. - ATTENDANCE AT TOWN. BOARD. MEETINGS.. Linda Hirvonen mentioned that she felt that Planning Board members should attend the Town Board meetings and asked how the. Planning Board felt about - starting up another program ofattendance. at Town Board meeting , whether it be a rotating basis or a term appointment . Carol Kammen agreed with Linda Hirvonen and suggested. that Planning Boardmembers take a 3 - 6 month term . Larry Tvaroha. stated that he felt this would be very beneficial to both the. Planning Board and to the. Town Board . The membersof the. Planning Board decided that Roger Hagin would bethe liaison to. the Town Board beginning in August to attend a monthly meeting the 3rd Wednesday of each month for a period of 6 months_ .. * BARNEY TERMINA , PROPOSED 6 LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED. ON ARMSTRONG. ROAD ( Near Franklin Drive ) , TAX MAP NO . 38-1 -1 . 2 Mr . Barney Termina appeared again before the Planning Board ✓ egarding the proposed 6 lot Subdivision located on Armstrong. Road. ( off Triphammer Road near Franklin Drive ) . ® Mr . Termina stated thatthe lasttime he had appeared before 3 the Planning Board , he had been approved to go onto a Public Hearing butthatthis was held up due to the turnaround. . Mr . Termina stated that they are currently in the processof changing the turnaround to a " T " type turnaround . Mr . Termina stated that he has had discussions. with Highway Superintendent. Larsen and to Town Supervisor Kirby and both agreedwith this plan .. Chairman White questioned if this " T " turnaround was in placeof where the proposed cul - de - sac was. . Mr . Terrnina . said . that. was correct... Mr . Termina mentioned thatthe issue of the ownership oftheright- of - way was in the process_ of being resolved and thatthe right - of -way will be deeded over to him by Mr . Armstrong.., notto. the. Town of Lansing . Mr . Termina mentioned that hewill have a revised plan and will run it past Mr . Herrick . Carol Kammen_ stated that the proposed . Termina Subdivision already had preliminary plat approval and moved that a Public Hearing be scheduled for June 18 , 1990 at 8 : 00 p . m . ; Linda Hirvonen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * CAYUGA REALTY ASSOCIATION , PROPOSED MAJOR SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON 411 SALMON CREEK. ROAD ( NEAR. HOLDEN ROAD) , TAX MAP NOS . 4. .. - 1 - 22 4 . - 1 - 23 . Attorney Leslie Reizes appeared before the Planning Board on behalf of Cayuga Realty Association regarding a proposed .. major Subdivision located on Salmon Creek Road. ( near Holden. Road ) . Attorney Reizes presented copies of maps for this. proposed major Subdivision to the. Planning Board members . General discussion of the proposed. major Subdivision . followed after review of the map . Carol Kammen mentioned that. Lots. 1 , 2 & 3 were 4 times longer than they were wide.. . Linda Hirvonen stated. that the regulations. state.. that. lots that are. 3 or more times as.. long as the width are subject to scrutiny . Attorney Reizes stated in order to leave the proper amount of frontage , there isn ' t much to do except to eliminate 1 lot or make 2 lots out of Lots 1 , 2 & 3 . Chairman White questioned why there were 2 entrances to Lot 5 . Attorney Reizes stated that 100 feet of frontage was needed on Holden Road under the regulations and that the 60 feet wasn ' t enough even though it was already there and has been conveyed out . Chairman White stated that if there were to be an extra road , the most logical place for the road would be an extension on to DeKamp Road , rather than to build another road where there was 100 feet 411 of Salmon Creek Road all the way to Holden Road . Chairman White. 4 411 stated that he thought a sketch plan of this area had previously been submitted to the Planning Board with similar configurations and had roads on to the other side of Holden Road . George Totman stated that the land had been auctioned off . Chairman White stated that thelandslopes down to Holden Road and that the drainage would go toward Salmon Creek Road . Chairman White asked Mr . Herrick if French Hill Road fell below 12 % grade . Mr . Herrick stated that he was unfamiliar with the area . Linda Hirvonen stated that she was not totally satisfied with the size and shape of Lots 1 , 2 & 3 . Chairman White stated that the Health. Department would have to comeon an individual lot basis because the proposed major Subdivision is under 10 lots . Linda Hirvonen statedshe had no problem granting sketch plan approval but cited Town Law Article 6 § 605 ( e ) to support her prior statement concerning lots which are 3 times or more as long as they are wide . Carol Kammen suggested that a long form SEQR be required . Carol Kammen moved that the Planning Board give preliminary sketch plan approval noting that the Planning Board is concerned about the drainage , would like to see a long form SEQR , and that the developers investigate with the Health Department the feasibility and length of Lots 1 , 2 & 3 ; Frances Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * JUDY EMMICX , PROPOSED 1 LOT MINOR SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT. 298 BUCK. ROAD , TAX MAP NOS .. 28 -1 - 25 . 2 AND 28 - 1 - 25 . 4 . Judy Emmick appeared before the Planning Board seeking approval of a proposed 1 lot Subdivision located at 298 Buck Hill Road . Mrs . Emmick explained that she and her father bought a 5 acre lot that goes parallel with lands of Mr . Burdett Booth . Mrs . Emmick explained that her father - in - law , Lou Emmick , bought 1 wooded acre of that land. . Linda Hirvonen reiterated that Mrs . Emmick was looking for approval of a 1 lot minor Subdivision , with no new roads or utilities and that the lot meets thesize requirements of the. minor Subdivision regulations . Linda Hirvonen moved that the Planning Boardacceptthe proposed 1 lot minor Subdivision and waived the requirement for a Public Hearing ; Carol Kammen seconded the motion . 5 411 VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * FRED AND BETTY CAMPBELL , PROPERTY LOCATED ON ASBURY ROAD . Mr . and Mrs . Campbell appearedbefore the. Planning Board. .. Mr . and Mrs . Campbell stated their daughter is looking to purchase a 2 . 2 acre lot on Asbury Road and that their intention is to split the lot and eventually build a house in the back . Mrs . Campbell stated that the lot was 150 x 644 . George Totman stated that Mr . and Mrs . Campbell ' s daughter wants to build a house in the front and that they want a long driveway on the size leading to the back lot . Chairman Whitestated that.. hehad previously advised Mr . and Mrs . Campbellthat the Planning Board was not going to go along with the fact that there was a long driveway going back into the back lot . Chairman White suggested that a survey be completed . L inda Hirvonen mentioned the fact that there was no public water to the site and that it stopped on Warren Road . Mrs . Campbell statedthere. was 150 feetof frontage on to Asbury Road . Chairman White stated that the building lot must have frontage on the road and that they would need 150 feet for the septic system . Linda Hirvonen suggested that Mr . and Mrs . Campbell. check.. with the Health Department regarding the driveway and septic before actually purchasing the land . Chairman White stated that if the Health Department grantsapproval , thenprobably the Planning Board. can grant approval . * * * * * PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT PORTLAND. POINT.. Mr . Michael Schwartz , Scott Hughes and Cindy Bizell of Fred H . Thomas Associates appeared before. the Planning Board on behalf of Robert Rudy , Dick Shulman and Robert Shaw regarding a proposed condominium development at Portland Point . Mr . Schwartz explained that their intention was to develop P ortland Point into a condominium development and thatitwas unclear to them to what agencies they should belooking to for lead agency status . Mr . Schwartz statedthat they have talked with the D . E . C . with who they will be working to devise a package treatment plant and further stated that they will not have to work directly with the Health Department dueto thefact that thesize of the project is larger than what. the Health Department gets involved in and that they arefollowing the D . E . C . regulations . 411 6 411 Mr . Schwartz presented a plan of the development . There will be 4 towers on the site with 132 condominium units . Mr . Schwartz stated that the towers are. 15 feet over height limitations and they are looking to get a variance for this . The construction will be ✓ einforced concrete and will be fire - proofed . There will be docks for the units and a potential for a restaurant in the future . Chairman White asked about the railroad . Mr . Schwartz explained thatthey have . 1 deeded access over the railroad and are looking to get another . Chairman Whiteasked about fire protection . Mr . Hughes e xplained that the existing structures at Portland Point are approximately 75 - 80 feet and explained that the proposed towers will be approximately 10 feet over theexisting structures . Mr . Hughes stated that he is trying to contact the Fire Department regarding equipment capabilities . Mr . Schwartz, stated that they will be working with Mr .. Herrick ' s office regarding access and drainage and feltthat the best way would be to go through the lands of Kim off of lands of Mahool . Chairman White stated that the Planning Board would require an additional road if this project falls within their jurisdiction ® and that the Town Board would have serious problems with the project due to the amount of traffic in this area and safety concerns . Mr . Hughes stated that they would be amenable to that ✓ equirementif , that if in the planning process , the. 91 acre parcel that Mr . Edward ' s owns would be a secondary means of egress . Linda Hirvonen suggested the possibility of looking at this project as a PUD . Mr . Schwartz stated that they had tried to get PUD status with the Lakewatch Subdivision but that since it wasa non - zoned area , PUD status couldnot be granted . Linda Hirvonen cited Town of Lansing Land. Use Ordinance Article 13 § 1307 Planned Development Area ( PDA ) . This article states " Therefore , where the planned development concept is deemed appropriate through. the rezoning ofland by the Town Board to a Planned Development Area , the set of conventional land use activities andarea specifications set forth elsewhere in this o rdinance are hereby replaced by anapproval processin which an approved Development Plan becomes the basis for continuing land use controls . " Carol Kammen stated that this would mean that they could go to. the Town. Boardand ask for zoning and come back to the Planning Board for PDA status . Mr . Schwartz askedwhat the benefit o f this would be . Carol Kammen stated that with PDA status. , you would have more flexibility in what you can do with the landand. that the Town Board has a means of working with them on it . Chairman White stated that thiswould establish a. procedure to 411 follow and the projectcould be done in stages . 7 Carol Kammen explained that they should first attempt to get Town Board zoning approval and then come back to the Planning. Board to get PDA status . Mr . Schwartz stated they would be in contact with the Fire Department regarding equipment capabilities and continue to work with Mr . Edward. regarding access across. Teter Road . Carol Kammen recommended that Mr . Schwartz read the PDA plan . Chairman White stated thatthe sewage system will have to be over the railroad because it cannot be that close to the lake . Ms . Bizell stated that the . Corp of Engineers and Office of General Services of the Statedeal with the leasing of lands under water . Linda Hirvonen moved that the Planning Board recommend that the Town Board consider that portion of Portland Point , upon request., be zoned as an the adequate: process of protecting the area and so that established procedures canbe followed ; Carol Kammen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTIONED CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * ® JAMES AND JANETTE REEVES , PROPOSED 2 LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED BETWEEN 1310 AND 1312 AUBURN ROAD , TAX MAP NO .. 5 . - 1 - 8 . Mr . and Mrs . Reeves did not appear before the Planning Board and Mr . Totman spoke on their behalf. . George Totman explained that Mr . and Mrs . Reeves have requested approval of a 2 lot Subdivision . George Totman explained that Mr . Reeves isgoing to give 1 acre of land_ to his son. and. 1 acre of land to his daughter . Chairman Whitestated that the land is in an open field . Linda Hirvonen questioned why they placed the 50 - foot right - of -way between the 2 parcelswhen there is an existing 75 foot right- of - way north of that spot and asked that George Totman contact Mr . and Mrs . Reeves to determine the reason for the right - of -way before the Planning Board could take any further action . * * * * * SEQR DISCUSSION . Linda Hirvonen stated that she is delighted that the Town Board is letting the Planning Board handle SEQR and that it gives continuity to the function of the Planning Board. . Linda Hirvonen. stated that she hopes the Board can formulate a process that will work as well for them as for the Town Board . 8 411 Chairman White suggested holding a second meeting this month to take care of formulating a process regarding SEQR . It was decided that the SEQR process will be discussed after the Public Hearing for Barney Termina on June 18 , 1990 and that Chairman White will meet with Town Supervisor Kirby to determine the necessary factors . Carol Kammen reminded the Planning Board members of the SEQR workshop sponsored by the Tompkins. County Environmental Management Council being held at NYSE & G June 13 and June 27 , 1990 and gave Mr . Totman the registration sheet . * * * * * Town Engineer David Herrick stated to the members of the Planning Board that if approached , he will turn down the Cayuga Realty job ashe does not feel comfortable as Town engineer performing engineering for Subdivisions within the Town as he felt it was a conflict of interest . Mr . Herrick further stated that if projects come before the Planning Boardwith the logo and seal of T . G . Miller Associates , it is because they are doing the surveying and mapping , but none of the engineering . * * * * * 411 Chairman White requested that the Planning Board go into Executive . Session . There being no further business , the Planning Board meeting was adjourned at 9 : 35 p . m . Respectfully submitted , Bai bara L . Evans NEXT REGULAR. 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