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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-04-02 ! /! �U W K7 of N ,:i vt / W i Pnmru , n y (3o treed - _ m e _ - - - _ - - - ,4.&d Cs .s - . -- .. ) Z 7 Tr?). TT En m mE It 2f g7 -braA C.fJ 0/ Ddaft.f _A - ‘ • /hr, c4eed _ k�- n _aJ _ - - - - - _ � _ . _ Pc &147 i - - - - - !- Pad tom ► - _ . _ .. _ r/7 Al ,eq{: 8giesytti . (Atenarrifd 7 . wee - - - -- - _ - . . -- - --- 9 „t ` -_ ._ _ . _ . - 3 _ _y. __ . _ .. - ‘ rx 10 __. . . - IstA YH4- J ! > �z - _ _UALIAL 1 71 tact - do_ .l- eci_r7 /on - . •_ -_- _ _ - _ _ _ 0_ , iso)onoi _La hdoifrt. Conlor , direZi / as/ / 04, a.heeleoee -bgireive riPPL . $ Agc 6 _ _ _ __ _- _ _ _ _ _ _ _.__ ___ _ 19 _-la _ 26 ® TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD MEETING Monday , April 2 , 1990 ; 7 : 30 p . m . PLANNING BOARD * Denotes Present * Al White * Larry Sharpsteen * Carol Kammen * Roger Hagin L inda Hirvonen * Viola Mullane * Frances Ramin L arry Tvaroha , Town Councilman * George Totman , Planning , Zoning and Code Administration Office * David Herrick , Town Engineer PUBLIC PRESENT Barney , Termina Gary Lamont Brent A . Cross , La Cross Development Robert Ives P at Casler , Realtor Rhoda Ives George Schlecht Matthew Shulman ® Charles Curry Cherie Sullivan J ohn Dietershagen Howard Cahalan Flinn Tom Niederkorn * * * * Al White , Chairman , called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 34 p . m . SITE PLAN REVIEW . Mr . Niederkorn appeared before the Planning Board with a preliminary site plan review proposal . Mr . Niederkorn explained that the authority for site plan review falls under Section 274 ( a ) of Town Law which gives the Town Board the authority to authorize the Planning Board to review site plans . This is either done as a part of the zoning ordinance or a local law if there isn ' t any zoning . Mr . Niederkorn stated that there is zoning in part of the Town and no zoning in the rest of the Town and explained that site plan review isnot a substitute for zoning . He further stated that the purpose of site plan review is to try to preserve and protect the natural environment and reduce and minimize the impacts a development may have . He stated that it will have to be determined what areas will have site plan approval and establish ® the standards for the land use and that a map will be developed to show lands required to have site plan. review . r ® Mr . Niederkorn reviewed the handoutsof the draft language hehad developed with the membersof the Planning Board . The intent would fall under local law in accordance with appropriate State law . Mr . Niederkorn stated that Article. 6 of the Town Zoning Law does not specify those land uses which require siteplan approval and recommended changing Article 6 ( schedule of land use activities. ) and picking out areaswhich the Planning Board feels require site plan review and amend the ordinance or require a special permit for these areas . Carol Kammenmentioned that Mr . Niederkorn only put down e nvironmental areas and stated that there were other areas where it wouldbe crucialto have specific siteplanreview , i . e . the hamlets , such as Ludlowville , and stated that if the Planning Board did not reach out to do the areasthat they feel are more important , that they will loose the opportunity because amending. this will be just as hard as getting it though . Larry Sharpsteen stated that he felt Mr . Niederkorn ' s draft language was a good starting point and stated that the e nvironmental areas should be the Planning Board ' s first concern . He stated that if Mr . Niederkorn were to expand upon that that there might be a better chance on targeting activities than locations . Carol Kammen questioned if someone were to ask for a special permit would it be covered by the things the Planning Board ® was concerned about . Mr . Niederkorn stated that a special permit would be required in a zoned area and that the Planning Board really has to determine andnamewhat areas they are interested in as to having site plan review . Carol Kammen stated the geographical points are important ( No . 5 ) but the plan should incorporate specific uses . Mr . Niederkorn stated that he would draw up a proposed listing of specific uses . Larry Sharpsteen stated that the Planning. Board has to be careful as defining uses as there are certain areas , i . e . waste dumping and farm fertilizing , thatare on a fine line and suggested that this should be excluded . Carol Kammen statedshe was uncomfortable. with Section 400 , No . 5 and the Planning Board. agreedthat it should be removed .. Chairman White stated that the Planning Board needs to discuss this more and thenfeel the Town Boardout before determining a final site plan review process . It was decided that Mr . Niederkorn would meet with the Planning Board on Monday , April 30 , 1989 at 7 : 30 p . m . to further e xplore the site plan review process. and procedures . * * * * * 410 2 ® GARY AND PAMELA. LAMONT , PROPOSED. 1. LOT SUBDIVISION , LOCATED AT 25 TRIPHAMMER TERRACE., TAX. MAP NO . 41 . - 1 - 1, Mr . Gary Lamont appearedbefore the Planning Board seeking approval of a 1 lot subdivision located at 25 Triphammer. Terrace , which is northeast of the present house . Mr . Lamont stated that the proposed 1 lot subdivision is 12. 5. feet from thecenterline. of Hillcrest Road , that there is public water and that itwould be. about 8 / 10 of an acre + . Viola Mullane questionedwhether lots must be measured from the right of way and not the center line . Mr . Herrick confirmed that lots must be measured from the right of way and that the regulations state it mustbemeasured from the street line . Chairman White. questioned if Mr . Lamont wasintending. to sell this lot asa building lot . Mr . Lamont stated this was his.. intention . Chairman White stated that the Planning Board would feel more comfortable if the proposed 1 lot subdivision were. located. 125 feet from theright of way . Larry Sharpsteenstated that the driveway would be better if located on Triphammer Terrace . Larry Sharpsteen moved that the Planning Board accept the proposed 1 lot subdivision with the measurementsgiven from the road right of ways with a minimum of 125 feet along Triphammer Terrace from theright of way to Hillcrest Roadand waived the requirement for a Public Hearing , conditioned upon the Health Department ' s acceptance of- the. 125 foot width and acceptance of the 410 short form SECRA by the Town Board ; Carol Kammen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * * ROBERT AND RHODA IVES. , PROPOSED 1. LOT SUBDIVISION , LOCATED. AT 93 AUBURN ROAD , TAX MAP NO . 37 . - 1- 2 - 12 . Mr . and Mrs . Rhoda Ives appeared before the Planning Board seeking approval of a 1 lot subdivision located at 93. Auburn Road. . Mr . Ives stated that they have Health. Department approval of the landand sewer system . Mr . and Mrs . Ives plans show that they intend to subdivide the existing lot with house , barn and septic system to 1 / 2 acre lot making the remainder of the original lot a new lot of 2 . 52 acres with plenty of road frontage and public water . Mr . Ives stated that he has no plans to subdivide again and that they will use. the 20 foot strip as a. driveway . He stated that one house and a septic will fit nicely in the wider section as er shown on the map . 3 411 Carol Kammen moved that the Planning Board accept the proposed 1 lot subdivision located on Auburn Road and waive the requirement for a Public Hearing ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * * BARNEY TERMINA , PROPOSED 6 LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON ARMSTRONG ROAD ( Near Franklin Drive ) , TAX MAP NO . 38 - 1 - 1 . 2 . Barney Termina and Brent A . Cross of LaCross Development appeared again before the Planning Board seeking preliminary plat approval of a proposed. 6 lot subdivision located on Armstrong Road ( off Triphammer Road near Franklin Drive ) . Mr . Cross stated that they had revised the plans to extend the right - of -way off of the end of the cul - de - sac for future development of the road . Carol Kammen questionedthat until the land actually became a road who would be responsible to maintain 410 it . Mr . Cross pointed out on the map that the two adjacent property owners would be responsible for maintenance .. Mr . Cross further pointed out that they moved the lines on the plans so that e ach lot would be 1 acre . Mr . Cross stated that. Mr . Termina had been in contact with the owner who deededthe right -of -way to Mr . Termina . Mr . Cross stated that Mr . Termina discussed the situation with the property owner and that the property owner statedthat he would deed that portion of his land to the Town . Carol Kammen stated that the. Planning. Board would need to have this in writing . Carol Kammen moved that the Planning Board approve the proposed 6 lot Termina Subdivision as a preliminary plat andthat a Public Hearing be scheduled. for May 7 , 1990 ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . Larry Sharpsteen moved that the motion needed to be amended to statethat scheduling of. a Public Hearing contingent upon the Town Board acting on SECRA ; Carol Kammen seconded the amended motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ACTION : George Totman stated that he will need to have thenames o f all adjacent property owners by April 2.6 , 1990 . Upon receipt o f this information , he will mail notices to the adjacent property owners of the Public Hearing on this proposed. 6 lot subdivision . 4 ALAN EUVARD , PROPOSED 9 LOT SUBDIVISION ( Locatedon the North . Side_ of Hillcrest. Road) . George Schlecht appeared on behalf of Mr . Alan Euvard ✓ egarding the proposed 9 lot Subdivision located on the north side o f Hillcrest Road . Mr . Schlecht stated that hehad had a telephone. conversation with George Totman and was: told. by George Totman that a Public Hearing could not be scheduled ona preliminary plat until. the Town acts on the SECRA . Mr . Schlecht stated that in the past a preliminary plat could be approved contingent upon Health Department approval of the septicsystem butthat he is concerned that if you can ' t get the Town ' s input on the preliminary plat until after you have worked out all of the details and have to do final engineering plans , that thereis very little room to make changes that come up at a Public Hearing . Chairman White stated this was basically a " Catch- 22 " situation in that if thereare. any . changes between a preliminary plat . and a final approval , that another Public Hearing is required . Chairman White expressed his concerns about the drainage situation in the proposed subdivision and asked Mr . Herrick for input . Mr . Herrickstated that the drainage situation was not a ® big problem and that the main concern was the impact on the sewer systems . Mr . Schlecht stated that he shared Chairman White ' s concerns but that the septic system and water pressure are a more serious concern . D Chairman White questioned that if the Town was finished with the SECRA if Mr . Schlecht was requesting a Public Hearing . Mr . S chlecht stated this was correct . Mr . Schlecht stated that they d id have final engineering plans , however , they did not have Health Department approval . The Planning Boarddiscussed the issue of scheduling a Public Hearing and it was decided that. if. George Totman received the SECRA. from the Town Board that. the Public Hearing would be scheduled . * * * * * MATTHEW SHULMAN , BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT FOR LANDS LOCATED AT 154 WILSON ROAD , TAX MAP NO . 27 . - 1 - 36 . 2 . Mr . Shulman appeared before . the Planning Board seeking a boundary adjustment for lands located at 154 Wilson Road . Mr . Shulman refreshed the memory of the Planning Board members by stating that this land was the former Paterny Farm on Wilson Road ® between Buck and Conlon . Mr . Shulman stated that Mr . Paterny had 5 410 made several promises to several people concerning disposition of this land . Mr . Shulman purchased the farm in its entirety and talked to two individuals to whom Mr . Paterny hadmadepromises to . Mr . Shulman stated these individuals were Howard Cahalan. ( 196 Conlon Road ) and Matthew and Cherie Sullivan ( 204 Conlon Road ) and pointed out the parcels on the map provided to the Planning Board.. Mr . Shulman stated that they are proposing to divide the strip of land into two parcels to make it a common line . Carol Kammenmoved that the. Planning Board approve the boundary change on the Shulman property contingent. upon Mr . Shulman , Mr . Cahalan. and. Mr . and Mrs . Sullivan providing surveys that can be signed. by Chairman. White ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . Mr . Shulman presented a signable survey to Chairman White . VOTE : ALL. IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * * * DAVID G . AND MARY FLINN , PROPOSED. SUBDIVISION REQUEST. , LOCATED. OFF ROSS ROAD , TAX MAP NOS. . 2.5 - 1.- 1 AND 25 - 1 -3 . 1 . Dam Flinn and John Dietershagen appeared before the Planning Board with representation from Attorney Charles Curry seeking approval of two applications for two subdivisions located off Ross Road , Tax Map Nos . 25 - 1 - i and 25 - 1 - 3 . 1 . Attorney Curry stated that they were proposing - 15 cottages on Parcel A thatruns along the railroad tracks andfurther statedthat thedriveway , which is 3 , 225 feet + 1 goes through both tax parcels to bemaintained by Mr . Flinn and Mr . Dietershagen . Viola Mullane stated that since there are two parcels serviced. - .� by the proposed driveway , that it must be constructed according to Town specifications . Carol Kammen pointed out that theproposed subdivisions are actually considered a. major subdivision because there will be a new road and have new utilities. . Attorney Curry Q disputed that this would. be a major subdivision and read Subdivision Ordinance Section 1 ( a ) to the Planning. Board. members. . Frances Ramin asked Attorney Curry for an overview of what. they actually hadin mind . Attorney Curry stated that a copy of Mr . Novelli ' s engineering study was previously submittedto the Town and further stated that this study spells outexactly what their intentions are . Carol Kammen stated that in order for the Planning Boardto conceptualize whatis actually intended here , that the following items would be necessary : ( 1 ) developers conference ; ( 2 ) 41) recommendation from the Town Engineer after engineering , drainage 6 411 approval ; ( 3 ) road study approval from Pete Larsen ; ( 4 ) receipt of long form SECRA from the Town Board ; and ( 5 ) preliminary sketch plan including the driveway . Carol Kammen further stated that they will require , in the future , D . E . C . or Conrailpermission for use of lands bordering the railroad tracks. . It was decided that this matter should be tabledfor the May 7 , 1990 Planning Board Meeting . * * * * * TOWN ENGINEERING. REPORT Pinney Subdivision Town Engineer David Herrick reported onthe status of the Pinney Subdivision . Mr . Herrick stated that he hasseenthe plans for the connection to the highway from a town road and stated that the Town does not have the ability to modify the proposal due to the fact that it is in a non - zoned area . Mr . Herrick stated that it would be in the best interestsof the Town if they would consider a different road proposal .. He 411 further stated thatthe working drawings for the loop adhered to the 12 % grade limitation . * * * * * REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES. OF FEBRUARY 5l 19.90 AND MARCH 5 , 1990 . Carol. Kammen moved that the Planning Board Minutes of March 5 , 1990 be accepted ; Frances Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE :. ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY Carol Kammen moved that the Planning. Board Minutes of February 5 , 1990 be accepted , as amended ; Frances Ramin secondedthe motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR • MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY * * * * * 411 7 f There being no further business , the Planning Board Meeting was adjourned at 10 : 15 p . m . Re . ectfully submitted , - - - - - - - - ' (- 9 z . L . Evans Next Planning Board Meeting : Monday , May 7 , 1990 ; 7 : 30 p . m . 8