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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-03-05 To Seneca Falls To Auburn T ® AVN of LANSING -°1*L ® `�f p G " Home of Industry/ Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " pc, . ,. �' L y . ek to n S � a ° "e 94. G ,I` 5 \ �� a1 2t \\1 `� i6t3 Ls Town of Lansing \ ` A" ORDINANCE DEPT. ‘ 1t Box 186 k, t aft ?,, f Lansing, New York 14882 \ � � � ,, ,,4t- ' `. To Ithaca LANSING REGULAR PLANNING BOARD MEETING DATE : March 05 , 1990 TIME : 7 : 30 P . M . PLACE : Lansing Town Hall Boardroom FROM : George L . Totman 411 AGENDA 7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - General Business - Act on February 02 , 1990 Minutes 8 : 00 P . M . Public Hearing - Burris 8 : 15 P . M . One Lot Subdivision Request - Newton 8 : 30 P . M . Preliminary - Subdivision - Alan Euvrard 8 : 45 P . M . Subdivision - Sketch Plan - Termina 9 : 00 P . M . Any other business that my come before the Board . t t,ry- _a at 1 / ....14111;14$A ts�M�. . }�� . `per r, T - S, f / 1_t g --, -4;;Pc.. ,,;7.i -- isi r - rj I*'i Z -c- .vcin /VGse 03J0 .s- /90 • • L . 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PLANNING BOARD * Denotes Present * Al White * Larry Sharpsteen * Carol Kammen * Roger Hagin * Linda Hirvonen Viola Mullane * Frances Ramin * Larry Tvaroha , Town Councilman * George Totman , Planning , Zoning and Code Administration Office * David Herrick , Town Engineer PUBLIC PRESENT B arney Termina Brent A . Cross , La Cross Development William and Marie Newton Cory Ann Getting Margaret Hendry ® Stephanie Busuthil Bill and Virginia Fenton G reg and Arlene Dende Al White , Chairman , called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 30 p . m . REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES. OF FEBRUARY 5 , 1990 The first order of business was to review the Planning Board Minutes of February 5 , 1990 . P age 4 , Duncan and Blanche Hand Application for 1 Lot Subdivision , Dates Road . Chairman White stated that in paragraph 2 , Mr . William Meal was incorrectly identified as Mr . Neal . Chairman White moved that the review of the February 5 , 1990 Planning Board Minutes be tabled for the April 2 , 1990 Planning Board Meeting as several members were unable to read the minutes prior to this meeting ; Frances Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 11, * * * * * ® GENERAL BUSINESS Chairman White stated that he had received a copy of a letter from Mr . Herrick which was addressed to Mr . Gary Wilhelm of R . S . Leathers and Associates regarding theconstruction of dry sewers in the Briarwood Subdivision on Cherry Road . The letter stated that Mr . Herrick had reviewed this matter with the Lansing Town Board at a meeting on February 7 , 1990 and ( 1 ) at this time the Subdivision lands are not in a formally adopted sewer district and ( 2 ) the Town is still unable to predict with any certainty the time frame to resolve the current connection moratorium . The letter further stated that it was determined that construction of dry sewers would not be required , however , should the Subdivision ✓ ephase and further final approvals be requested at the time when the sewer situation is resolved , then the Town Board will ✓ econsider this decision for subsequent phases . * * * * * BARNEY TERMINA , PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON ARMSTRONG ROAD ( Near Franklin Drive ) , TAX MAP NO . 38 - 1 - 1 . 2 . Barney Termina and Brent A . Cross of La Cross Development appeared before the Planning Board seeking approval of a sketch plan for a proposed 6 lot Subdivision located on Armstrong Road ( off Triphammer Road near Franklin Drive ) . Mr . Cross explained that the land was a little over 7 acres and that it was an unrestricted district as to zoning . Mr . Cross stated that they are proposing a 6 lot Subdivision , with each lot to be a little over 1 acre . Larry Tvaroha asked if Mr . Termina owned the road or proposed driveway right - of -way . Mr . Cross said it was a deeded right - of - way for ingress and egress and presented a copy of Mr . Termina ' s deed to Chairman White . Carol Kammen asked Mr . Cross if they were going to ask the Town of Lansing for acceptance of the road because if it is not accepted as a Town road , they would not have any frontage . Chairman White stated that it could be a private road . Mr . Cross stated that they were intending to ask the Town for acceptance as a Town road . Carol Kammen stated that there may be a legal problem because the land isn ' t actually owned by Mr . Termina and that if the Town didn ' t accept the right - of -way as a ✓ oad , that there would be no access to the Subdivision . Mr . Cross stated that they would pursue this legal question . Larry Sharpsteen mentioned that another development that is under consideration on Armstrong Road is being requested to provide ✓ ight - of -way to its eastern boundary for possible connection of the cross road with Benson Road to relieve Planning Board future ✓ equirements for secondary and access roads in the area . Larry Sharpsteen suggested that maybe the lots could be restructured or that out of the cul - de - sac , room could be allowed for a right - of - ® way or easement to the eastern boundary to provide the possibility 2 ® of a cross road between Armstrong and Benson Road . Larry Sharpsteen told Mr . Cross that a 60 foot right - of -way would be needed . Chairman White suggested reducing the cul - de - sac and stated that only a 55 foot pavement radius is required . Mr . Cross stated that they will investigate the options suggested ✓ egarding the right - of -way and also the possible legal issue ✓ egarding the deeded right - of -way to Mr . Termina . * * IVAN AND FLORENCE BURRIS , PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OFF ARMSTRONG ROAD , TAX MAP NO . 38 - 1 - 16 . 2 . Chairman White read the Notice of Public Hearing on March 5 , 1990 at 8 : 00 p . m . as published in the Ithaca Journal February 16 , 1990 . The purpose of the hearing is to receive public comments prior to consideration of the final plat for a major Subdivision which has been submitted by Ivan and Florence Burris and which is to be located on Asbury and Armstrong Road , Tax Map No . 38 - 1 - 16 . 2 . George Schlecht was introduced to the public in attendance . Mr . S chlecht stated that there was a total of 9 lots in the proposed Subdivision , 8 of which are in consideration as Mr . Burris will ✓ etain Lot 7 per a prior agreement with the Health Department . He ® stated that there will be a 60 foot right - of -way for access to the lots and that driveways will be constructed according to Town specifications . Mr . Schlecht explained the color coding of the maps as ( 1 ) dark green represents the actual lot layout ; ( 2 ) light green represents the size of a septic system that would have to be o n the lot pursuant to the Health Department ' s regulations and include 2 acres as well as the original septic and additional area that would be necessary to make a replacement . Mr . Schlecht pointed out that the pond to be built on the site would be a dug pond and that the embankment is not large and will S ake care of the drainage on the site . Mr . Fenton of 193 Asbury Road asked how the pond will be fed . Mr . S chlecht stated that it is fed by a small seasonal stream and that there is also a substantial spring that starts off of the Burris property . He stated that the overflow will go back out to the stream and that it will safely pass a 100 year storm . Mr . Fenton then asked if the D . E . C . was involved and Mr . Schlecht stated they were not because it is a seasonal stream and the size of the pond is such that the D . E . C . wouldn ' t be involved . S tephanie Busuthil of 1 Armstrong Road questioned the dotted lines that cut into Mr . Fenton ' s property and their second lot . Mr . S chlecht explained that these were contour lines that represented points of constant elevation or topography of the property . 3 ® Mr . Fenton asked what the design and price range of the homes would be . Linda Hirvonen stated any design restrictions would be deed restrictions . Chairman White clarified the position of the P lanning Board and stated that the Planning Board only deals with the subdivision of land and as far as they know , the lots involved will be sold and the purchasers will design their own homes . Mr . Fenton asked if the definition of single family would also include an apartment and Chairman White said that it would not except room for an additional family member or " friend " . Margaret Hendry of 210 Asbury Road questioned the road coming from Asbury . Mr . Schlecht stated that it was a driveway and that Lot 7 will not be built upon at this time . Mr . Herrick asked if the road situation was understood . Larry Sharpsteen said it was a private road built to Town specifications . Mr . Herrick stated if the lots are going to be sold , that it should be included in the individual deeds that the road is not a Town road so as to avoid a misunderstanding as to maintenance . L inda Hirvonen moved that the Public Hearing be closed ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 411 The Public Hearing was closed at 8 : 15 p . m . and Chairman White thanked the members of the public for coming . L inda Hirvonen moved that the Ivan and Florence Burris Subdivision be approved conditioned upon Health Department approval and final engineering plan approval and that Mr . Schlecht obtain an Article 5 , Section 504 Endorsement showing no liens against the Burris property for review by the Town Attorney ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY MARIE NEWTON , ONE LOT SUBDIVISION REQUEST , COLLINS ROAD . Cory Ann Getting appeared on behalf of Marie Newton . Marie Newton would like to separate 40 acres of land on Collins Road and sell it as 1 lot . Chairman White told Mrs . Getting that under the present Subdivision rules , the Planning Board does not have to act on 1 lot Subdivision ® requests . 4 411 George Totman stated that 2 parcels out of the whole parcel have been deeded to Mrs . Newton ' s children and said one of the questions is if it should be a Subdivision because of the deeded out parcels . George Totman stated for the record that he would like this included in the Minutes as the question has been addressed if that matter should come before the Planning Board in the future . Carol Kammen questioned if the Planning Board should deal with the 2 parcels as separate minor Subdivisions . Several Board members agreed with her . L inda Hirvonen requested Mrs . Getting to give the sketch plan of the minor Subdivisions to George Totman . L inda Hirvonen stated for the record that the Planning Board ✓ ecognizes 2 minor Subdivisions of land by Marie Newton on Collins Road deeded sometime in the past to family members and moved that the Planning Board accept them as minor Subdivisions and waive the ✓ equirement for a Public Hearing on each of them as their prerogative ; Carol Kammen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY ® Larry Sharpsteen stated for the record that the Planning Board at this time recognizes the factthat the sale of a substantial amount o f land that is not under the 40 acres that is proposed to be sold is out of the jurisdiction of the Planning Board . ALAN EUVARD , PROPOSED 9 LOT SUBDIVISION ( Located on the north side of Hillcrest Road ) . George Schlecht appeared on behalf of Alan Euvard seeking preliminary approval for a proposed 9 lot Subdivision located on the north side of Hillcrest Road . Chairman White stated for the record that he was opposed to any additional development which would be closer to the airport hazard area and stated that there have been complaints aDvui noise and potential hazards . Chairman White further stated that according t o the zoning rules and regulations of the Town of Lansing that the P lanning Board really has no alternative but to accept proposed Subdivisions that come before them . Larry Sharpsteen agreed with Chairman White . Chairman White stated that they have recommended t o the Town Board in the past that this area be rezoned . Larry Tvaroha stated that the recommendation has to come before the Town Board as a specific resolution or recommendation to change the 410 zoning from residential to light commercial . Larry Tvaroha further 5 411 stated that the Town Board is aware of this hazard area but that nothing has been done . Linda Hirvonen suggested that Tom Niederkorn be consulted to check into the possibility of rezoning the remaining lands within the airport hazard zone and stated she would contact him . Carol Kammen suggested putting any further development plans on hold for the airport hazard area until a satisfactory solution has been reached . Linda Hirvonen and Chairman White stated that this can ' t legally be done because nothing is in the works . L arry Sharpsteen questioned that if Mr . Euvard knew this was in the works , that he might want to hold off or rezone the land due to the possibility that the selling price of the lots might be affected . Mr . Schlecht asked how the hazard zone got defined . Chairman White stated that it was a federally defined area due to the required approach pattern . Mr . Schlecht stated that Mr . Euvard was looking for preliminary plat approval and requested that a Public Hearing be scheduled . He stated that the drainage study was done and has been given to the Town . He further explained that the plan minimizes the number of driveways on Hillcrest Road and provides for future access . Chairman White asked if the primary drainage runs down to the north and Mr . Schlecht responded that it runs down to the south of Hillcrest where it is presently under an undersized culvert and that they planned to talk to Mr . Herrick about this recognized problem . Chairman White asked if water is close to the surface . Mr . Schlecht said they went down 3 feet and hit water . He further stated that the present drainage would not hurt the Whispering P ines Development and in fact may help because the drainage runs down to the south of Hillcrest . Mr . Schlecht added that the drainage can be controlled by good housing sites. . Frances Ramin suggested the addition of covenants to control this problem . Linda Hirvonen asked if the Planning Board can recommend that the house sites can be written into the deeds . George Totman stated that the Health Department is actually determining where a house should be sited in relation to drainage and septic systems . Carol Kammen moved that the Planning Board approved the proposed Euvard Subdivision as a preliminary plat but that it should be known that the Planning Board is very concerned about the drainage and any future housing going into property situate in the airport h azard area , and that a Public Hearing be scheduled ; Frances Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : 4 in favor 1 opposed 1 abstained 411 6 fri Because of the split of the votes , the Planning Board was polled as follows : Chairman White Yes Carol Kammen Yes Linda Hirvonen Yes Frances Ramin Yes Larry Sharpsteen Abstained Roger Hagin Opposed MOTION CARRIED * * There being no further business , the Planning Board Meeting was adjourned at 9 : 25 p . m . Respectfully submitted , 4110 (Ca414-- B . L . Evans NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING : Monday , April 2 , 1990 7