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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-01-08 To Seneca Falls To Auburn 111 TOWN of LANSING 4111 F' " Home of Industry, Agriculture and Scenic Beauty " r 34 i. 1.,.....:;:: N ,111 Town of Lansing ORDINANCE DEPT. \-\\ N)1 \ Box 186 Lansing, New York 14882 I ,� Il To Ithaca TOWN OF LANSING ADJOURNED PLANNING BOARD MEETING DATE : January 08 , 1990 TIME : 7 : 30 P . M . PLACE : Lansing Town Hall Board Room FROM : George L . Totman AGENDA 4110 7 : 30 P . M . Open Meeting - Act upon Previous Minutes 7 : 45 P . M . Approve Meal Subdivision 8 : 00 P . M . Public Hearing - 2 Minor Subdivisions - Storm Road - Temple Davidson 8 : 15 P . M . Gulf Creek - Subdivision - Final ? - Gary Wilhelm 8 : 45 P . M . Wheeler - Subdivision - Prelim OD Ii oitoslao 751c •vdsNes. /Oww 01 AAws / iv , Awn, 01 _Ao (1MA m e A c/ol L e s s - - / �cH•9s�� �,�' /� - - - //. -Y/_ _ ,eek _ 49,9441_ . --- _ - - J !-q 1- P2en_ . . - - -JT' RCe - - � �e- - - - - _ i_g_ Ai -er d ! -- _ _ _ _ _ - - d tib' ' - 9@ . FrhSVZ /JAG 1ANSi_ er U I I ei-pe, ato - „ e w , 4- _ 1307 c. - s - sr - - � c A - _ _ _ &° k _c _(_ef _ . act _ 11-%64€ _ _ giTe(te _ - - - _Bob _ C'oA/M.5 '!pmts - iimo • ® TOWN OF LANSING ADJOURNED PLANNING BOARD MEETING Monday , January 8 , 1990 ; 7 : 30 p . m . PLANNING BOARD * Denotes Present * Al White * Larry Sharpsteen * Linda Hirvonen * Roger Hagin * Viola Mullane Carol Kammen * Francis Ramin * Larry Tvarha , Town Councilman * David Herrick , Town Engineer * George Totman , Planning , Zoning and Code Administration Office PUBLIC PRESENT Robert Leathers Allen Wheeler Gary Wilhelm Richard Baker Mrs . Kim Mrs . Beebe 411 Al White , Chairman , called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 7 : 31 p . m . Chairman White introduced Barbara Evans to the P lanning Board as the Planning Board minute taker . REVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES OF DECEMBER 4 , 1989 . The first order of business was to review the Planning Board Minutes of December 4 , 1989 . Page 2 . Viola Mullane asked for clarification regarding room for driveway . Chairman White clarified that it was for the Ellis S ubdivision and that the addition of the location should be added t o the Minutes . Francis Ramin suggested that the Minutes of Planning Board Meetings should have topical indentations so as to set out specific areas that were addressed at Planning Board meetings . Page 2 . Linda Hirvonen suggested the addition of the location of the Temple Davison - Storm Road Subdivision regarding her comment that the Storm Road Subdivision needed no utilities and that it met size requirements and further that a Public Hearing be scheduled for two Minor Subdivisions presented by Temple Davison on January 8 , 1990 at 8 : 00 p . m . ® Page 4 , Cal Warren - Autumn Ridge Subdivision . George Totman clarified that the Village wanted the developers to dedicate a strip of land to the Village of Lansing on Burdick Hill . Chairman White stated that this had not been done and that the developers had no intention of doing this until such time as it was a public ✓ oad with appropriate access . Chairman White further stated that they wanted the Town to take over that section of the Village road o r at least maintain that part of the road off of East Shore Drive . P age 4 , Euvard Subdivision . Linda Hirvonen stated that she did not move to accept the plan as a Sketch Plan because it may appear as a conflict of interest . Larry Sharpsteen originally moved to accept the plan as a Sketch Plan as presented and the motion was seconded by Carol Kammen . P age 4 , Cal Warren - Autumn Ridge Subdivision . Linda Hirvonen stated that she moved to enlarge Lot 40 to the east to take up that land that had been reserved for an entry way to Burdick Hill and the motion was seconded by Carol Kammen . P age 4 . Viola Mullane clarified that the Planning Board would like to have a meeting with the Town Board , not that she would like to have the meeting . L inda Hirvonen moved to accept the minutes of December 4 , 1989 ® as corrected ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED WILLIAM MEAL SUBDIVISION - FENNER ROAD . Chairman White stated that a Public Hearing was held regarding approval of the Meal Subdivision on Fenner Road but that the Planning Board did not vote on the Meal Subdivision at its December 4 , 1989 meeting . This Subdivision is located on Fenner Road and is one Subdivision with no minors . Linda Hirvonen moved to approve the William Meal Subdivision on Fenner Road as presented to the Planning Board at the December 4 , 1989 meeting ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED * * * * * PINNEY SUBDIVISION 411 Town Engineer David Herrick reported on the status of the Pinney Subdivision . Mr . Herrick stated that he had sent a letter to Chairman White December 8 , 1989 . Mr . Herrick stated that he has • ® received additional information and work maps from Mr . Davison which indicated that they were trying to work within the 12 % limitation on the road and that what it requires is slightly less than 150 feet radius on the curves . It was Mr . Herrick ' s opinion that the grade at 12 % and the radius of the curves at 125 feet would be a better combination than a steeper grade with a 150 foot ✓ adius . Mr . Herrick reported that they are still looking at the super elevations of the curves all around and have not finalized the plans for the new road alignment and that he had not seen the new work maps . Larry Sharpsteen asked whether they intended to change the radius in the pitch to the exclusion of the super e levation on the curves . Mr . Herrick said they were going to super e levate the curves . Chairman White asked for an update regarding drainage culverts , roadside drainage and plans and profiles of the water main even though it was not a function of the Planning Board . Mr . Herrick reported that he has not seen anything regarding drainage and that he has only received information on the road grading . Francis Ramin moved that it should be stated in the Minutes that the Planning Board met with Mr . Herrick and that the Pinney Subdivision should be tabled pending receipt of more information ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : . ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED UPDATE OF ACCEPTANCE OF ROADS . Viola Mullane asked Larry Sharpsteen for an update on roads that have been accepted by the Town of Lansing . Larry Sharpsteen stated that Horizon Road has been accepted and that Leathers Road has been accepted conditionally but that there were some improvements needed to the turnaround . Mr . Herrick stated that there were some drainage problems on Leathers Road and that George Schlecht had submitted a letter to the Town of Lansing certifying that the road section had been constructed as was approved on the original engineering plan . Viola Mullane suggested that the Town Highway Superintendent should take a look at some of the clearing at the edge of the right - of - way near Horizon Road onto Bush Lane as it was a potentially dangerous traffic area . * * * * * TEMPLE DAVISON - 2 MINOR SUBDIVISIONS - STORM ROAD Chairman White read the Notice of Public Hearing on January ® 8 , 1990 at 8 : 00 p . m . as published in The Ithaca Journal December 28 , 1989 . The purpose of the meeting was to receive public comments prior to consideration on the final plat approval for 2 Minor Subdivisions by Temple Davison located on Storm Road , Tax Map No . 8 - 1 - 24 . 2 Larry Sharpsteen reported that the first Minor Subdivision is located approximately 3 / 4 of a mile from the Auburn Road intersection on the north side of Storm Road and that the second Minor Subdivision is located 1 / 3 of a mile past the first Minor Subdivision on the left and south side of Storm Road . Larry Sharpsteen stated that both Minor Subdivisions are now fallow farm land and the land on the north has pasture land in the rear and that the land on the south is farm land . Both Minor Subdivisions have access to the rear land and that each Minor Subdivision consists of 2 lots . Viola Mullane moved that the Planning Board approve the final plat plan of Temple Davison for 2 Minor Subdivisions on Storm Road ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED ACTION : George Totman will send a letter from the Planning Board to Temple Davison regarding approval by the Planning Board of the 2 Minor Subdivisions on Storm Road . Viola Mullane moved that the Public Hearing on the Temple 411 Davison approval for 2 Minor Subdivisions be closed ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED GULF CREEK SUBDIVISION - TEETER ROAD Mr . Leathers and Mr . Wilhelm submitted the drawing for final plat approval of the Gulf Creek Subdivision and felt that it was now acceptable . Mr . Leathers reported that the Health Department had approved the final plat plan and that the Health Department ' s areas of concern had been addressed on the drawing . Mr . Herrick reported that the issue concerning what improvements and whose responsibility it was for the improvements for Teeter Road adjacent to Mrs . Kim ' s lands for the stretch that fronts on lands of Homa west to lands of Tuttingham had not been resolved at this point and had to be clarified prior to final approval . Mr . Leathers stated that Teeter Road has not been overly improved and agreed with Mr . Herrick that Teeter Road should be improved but that the Gulf Creek Subdivision should be approved contingent upon improvements to the road . Mr . Leathers reported 410 that the preliminary approval they had received included a statement by the Planning Board that the road should be improved and that there would be some agreement between the Town and the ® developers to do that . Mr . Herrick reported that there is a section o f Teeter Road that exceeds the 12 % grade and is actually 13 % for 300 feet and that it needs ( 1 ) grade improvement and ( 2 ) base improvement and additional gravel . Chairman White stated that the position of the Planning Board is to concern themselves with the placement of the roads and that it was up to the Town Board and Town Engineer to bring the roads into compliance . Chairman White further stated that Teeter Road is not in compliance and asked Mr . Leathers if this was going to be addressed to make sure all was up to standard due to the amount o f construction and heavy equipment on Teeter Road . Mr . Leathers stated that it was a " Catch - 22 " situation as the Town Board is going to ask if there is the Planning Board approval of engineering and design even though it really is a Town Board decision . Linda Hirvonen asked if there had been any changes to the final plat plan from the preliminary plat plan approval . Mr . Leathers stated that there were some minor changes to the location o f the septic fields as a result of discussions with the Health Department and a minor change in the layout of the road . Mr . Wilhelm stated the maps were dated December , 1988 , May 2 , 1989 and June 14 , 1989 and that there had been no changes since the preliminary approval of the Plat Plan Map of June 14 , 1989 . ® Francis Ramin questioned the dead - end at the western end of Teeter Road . Mr . Leathers explained that it will not be a dead - end and will have access toward the lands of Mahool and loop back . Linda Hirvonen moved to approve the Final Plat Plan for the Gulf Creek Subdivision off of Teeter Road contingent upon the Town Board reaching a satisfactory agreement with Mrs . Kim concerning Teeter Road maintenance and improvements and that other issues of concern were addressed to the satisfaction of the Planning Board ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED ALLEN WHEELER - SUBDIVISION - PRELIMINARY APPROVAL Linda Hirvonen refreshed the Planning Board that Mr . Wheeler had previously appeared before the Planning Board and had presented a proposed Subdivision to them of property adjacent to lands of Alex Cima off of Triphammer Road and below Stormy View Road with a proposed connector on to Triphammer Road and that a Minor Subdivision was denied based on the fact that Mr . Wheeler would ® have to put in a roadway . Mr . Wheeler appeared before the Planning Board to have the a ® Planning Board review the revised lot layout . Mr . Wheeler explained that they were originally going to purchase Alex Cima ' s property and tie in approximately 2 8 - acre properties into a subdivision but then decided last summer that they would survey and develop the 1 8 1 / 2 - acre of land that they now owned . Mr . Wheeler stated that they had George Schlect do a survey and lot layout sketch plan this past fall and that he presented these plans to the Planning Board . Mr . Wheeler said that the only question that the Planning Board had was on the right angle on the roadway that came up and went south and that the Planning Board requested that Mr . Wheeler have the Town Highway Superintendent review the plans to make sure plowing and maintenance were accessible and in compliance . Mr . Wheeler stated that George Schlect redrew the survey after discussion and ✓ ecommendation of the Town Highway Superintendent and that the only thing that changed was the configuration of the roads and a right - o f - way down toward lands of Cima . Larry Sharpsteen questioned the radius of the circle . Mr . Wheeler said the radius of the circle was probably at 50 feet and that the diameter of the right - of -way was at 80 feet as per specifications of the Town of Lansing . Larry Sharpsteen questioned whether the diameters of the circle had to be 120 feet and cited Terrace Meadows . George Totman said that Mr . Larson goes by the subdivision rules and pulled a copy of the Terrace Meadows Map for review and comparison by the Planning Board . ® Mr . Wheeler reported that he was proposing 8 lots . Linda Hirvonen asked whether Mr . Wheeler was intending to bring a water line in . Mr . Wheeler stated this was their intention , however , they needed engineering plans for the road bed and exact placement o f the water line . Mr . Wheeler then asked for Planning Board guidance as to how to proceed with this and stated that there is an existing approved water district along Triphammer Road per deed that goes back 300 feet but that Stormy View Road could not be serviced . Mr . Herrick stated that this was Water District No . 7 . Francis Ramin stated that this would serve the property on the west but not on the east and would have to be served by a new water district . Mr . Herrick said that if any portion of a lot is in a water district that the lot can be serviced by that water district . Mr . Wheeler further stated that for a variety of reasons they cannot go ahead with the full engineering final plat plan and wanted to ask for Planning Board approval to a set stage without incurring anymore expenses as he intends to sell the entire property . Chairman White stated that the Minutes should reflect the fact that Mr . Wheeler approached the Planning Board and that the Planning Board will issue sketch plan approval based on the drawings subject to Health Department approval and before final plat approval , further subject to Mr . Herrick approving the drainage and final road plans . Francis Ramin moved to accept Chairman White ' s recommendation 411 regarding sketch plan approval and contingencies ; Roger Hagin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED ACTION : A copy of the revised Schlect map was given to Mr . Totman . Mr . Totman will send a letter from the Planning Board to Mr . Wheeler regarding subdivision sketch plan approval . RICHARD BAKER - APPLICATION FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION ON WARREN ROAD Mr . Baker appeared before the Planning Board seeking approval for an application for a minor subdivision on Warren Road for 2 1 - acre lots about 1 / 2 mile south of Asbury Road . L arry Sharpsteen questioned how much of the property was ✓ egistered wetland . Mr . Baker presented a letter from the State o f New York showing no restrictions on the land . Linda Hirvonen asked if Mr . Baker had talked to the Health Department at all ✓ egarding septic ; Mr . Baker had not at this stage . Linda Hirvonen asked Roger Hagin for comments concerning this property due to his familiarity with the area . Roger Hagin reported that he had been 410 contacted by Mrs . Beck who is a resident of the area and objects to the proposed minor subdivision on the basis that it is in a low area and subject to periodic flooding . Roger Hagin stated that he t ended to agree with Mrs . Beck . Mr . Herrick stated that the Health Department will have the final say in the site location . Linda Hirvonen suggested to Mr . B aker that he should have the Health Department come and do a site plan and that the Planning Board would wait to approved the Minor S ubdivision pending information from the Health Department . L arry Sharpsteen stated that if for some reason the one lot were not useable as a building lot as determined by the Health Department due to not being able to site a septic far enough from the stream , that Mr . Herrick had stated Mr . Baker could file a g rievance with the Town Board to have the assessment for the water line removed because it is not a buildable lot . L inda Hirvonen moved that the Planning Board wait until it has ✓ eceived more information from the Health Department and that the B aker application for Minor Subdivision Approval on Warren Road be t abled ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED 01, * * * * * ! III BEEBE SUBDIVISION - ATWATER ROAD Mrs . Beebe appeared again before the Planning Board to request subdivision approval of land on Atwater Road . Mrs . Beebe reported that they currently own 1 . 77 acres and want to subdivide and have 1 1 - acre lot with the remaining . 77 acre to be reserved for the house lot with 680 feet of frontage . Mrs . Beebe stated that she had spoken with Mr . Steven Combes of the Health Department and was told that they have approximately 38 , 000 square feet left on their property which would be ample footage if they ever had to redo their septic . Mrs . Beebe further stated that she had spoken to T . G . Miller ' s regarding the fact that they could not get water even if they paid for it themselves . Mr . Herrick stated that the question was whether they could get water extended down Atwater Road . Mr . Herrick further stated that they could do water e xtensions off of Water District No . 7 if the Beebes wanted to go t o the expense of extending an 8 foot water line down Atwater Road . George Totman explained that the Health Department ' s biggest criteria after site check is whether the soil will accept sewage from the size of the structure on the property . Mrs . Beebe e xplained that since the septic was put in prior to 1977 and that that was when the Health Department started to require permits , that it was " grandfathered " in . Linda Hirvonen stated that she was not sold that this was the best way to proceed and stated that ® the septic system that was placed on 1 . 77 acres was " grandfathered " but when you reduce the size of the lot , the situation changes due to the fact that the existing lot is so greatly reduced and that the Beebes might have problems in the future . Larry Sharpsteen suggested that for the protection of the P lanning Board , that the Beebes obtain a letter from the Health Department stating that they see this as a serviceable lot . Mrs . Beebe said that the Health Department will not send a letter unless the lot is surveyed and that they did not want to go to the expense o f having the lot surveyed unless they received approval from the P lanning Board to subdivide . Roger Hagin moved that the Beebe subdivision be approved based on the Health Department stating that the septic system was acceptable to them for both proposed lots ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED Larry Sharpsteen moved that the Public Hearing on the Beebe S ubdivision be waived ; Roger Hagin seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR ® MOTION CARRIED * * * * * 411 PLANNING BOARD - NEW BUSINESS Site Plan Ordinances . Viola Mullane stated that the Town Planning Board , without zoning approval , can have site plan approval for various locations . This can be done by writing a recommendation and submitting the recommendation to the Town Board for review . Viola Mullane stated that this can be done far more quickly than a zoning ordinance and can be an amendment to the o rdinance . Viola Mullane further stated that the Planning Board should arrange a meeting with Mr . Niederkorn and that he be asked to come to the January 22 , 1990 meeting to explore the possibility o f site plan review for the Town . Larry Sharpsteen stated that he would be interested to see if a lot size restriction could be written as a separate resolution to go on at the same time . Viola Mullane moved that Mr . Niederkorn be asked to come to the January 22 , 1990 meeting to explore the possibility of site plan review for the Town ; Linda Hirvonen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED ACTION : Viola Mullane agreed to contact Mr . Niederkorn . Election of Officers . Linda Hirvonen stated that the Nominating Committee needed to move forward with the election of o fficers in Carol Kammen ' s absence . The following officers were presented for ballot : Al White , Chairman Francis Ramin , Vice Chairman Larry Sharpsteen , Treasurer Carol Karmen and Linda Hiroven , Secretary Viola Mullane moved that the Secretary pass the ballot ; Francis Ramin seconded the motion . Viola Mullane moved that the ballot be passed as presented ; Larry Sharpsteen seconded the motion . Viola Mullane moved that Larry Sharpsteen be reappointed to the Planning Board ; Linda Hirvonen seconded the motion . VOTE : ALL IN FAVOR MOTION CARRIED Long Range Planning . Larry Tvarha stated that some long range planning has to be done for the square on East Shore Drive , Burdick Hill , Triphammer Road and Water Wagon Road and said that he would like to see a plan as to the number of proposed road before major development began . Larry Tvarha also stated that there will be a allnew Town map done in the near future . Chairman White mentioned the fact that the Planning Board needed to address north and south traffic to past Hillcrest Drive and Warren Road as well as the Autumn Ridge Subdivision traffic . Environmental Assessments . Linda Hirvonen informed the Planning Board of her concerns regarding the environmental • assessment situation and urged the Planning Board to reconsider who approves the impact statements . There being no further business , the Planning Board meeting was adjourned at 10 : 03 p . m . Respectfully submitted , a461 . B . L . Evans NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING : FEBRUARY 5 , 1990