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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1985-08-12 r-4-` . .- ,---.:--5-';: Adjourned Meeting of August 12 , 1985 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD Date : August 19 , 1985 Time : 7 : 35 p . m . / Present : Ch . Hirvonen , J . Homa , C . Kammen , J . Kirby , V . Miller , L . Sharpsteen ( Absent : S . Rollins ) Enforcement Officer : G . Wood Guests : Alex Cima , Candy Remillard , John Barney , Dave Herrick present for Survey Engineer T . G . Miller I . Discussion by Board of ( 1 ) Major Subdivision known as " The Horizons " , and ( 2 ) the Planned Development Area Known as " Horizon Villages " proposed and owned by Alex Cima , located on N . Triphammer Road ( in the Town of Lansing ) . Sharpsteen : Future designs of buildings in the Villages should not be limited to designs presently available ; modifications may be made in building styles in the future if approved by Planning Board . Also suggested that buildings be staggered within Villages to avoid " mass appearance " . Concepts approved by Board members . Ch . Hirvonen reviewed the necessary requirements for the Major ® Subdivision as they appear in the Subdivision Rules and Regulations of the Town of Lansing . Mr . Barney , on behalf of Mr . Cima , presented all necessary documents to the Board in either map or letter form in the sequence found in Lansing Regulations for Major Subdivisions , with all preliminary sketches , preliminary plans , etc . , having already been approved as required by the Board . Section 503 . Final Plat The Final Plat shall show or be accompanied by the following : A . Name and location of subdivision . . . B . Boundary lines of the tract . . C . Location , names and right- of -way widths of existing streets . . . D . Property lines of all lots with accurate dimensions . . . E . Location of all required monuments : F . Number or letter to identify each lot on the plat . G . Detailed drawings showing the profile and cross section of all proposed streets . H . County Board of Health certification of the subdivision . . . Section 504 . Endorsement The Planning Board shall be provided with : A . Statement from the Town Attorney . . . B . Statement from the Town Inspection Officer . . . C . Statement from the Town Board . . . III A letter for deed restrictions of the Horizons Subdivision was also presented . L ®� All the above were presented to the Board and accepted by the same with the exception of Section 504 Item C , which is to be acted upon by the Lansing Town Board . RESOLUTION : The Lansing Town Planning Board approves the final plat for the lots of the major subdivision known as The Horizons proposed and _-_-! owned by Alex Cima , as numbered on the map/ submitted to the Board , dated August 12 , surveyed and signed by - T . G . Miller , pending completion of all improvements , deferring Regulation 701 , Item C of the Lansing Zoning Ordinance to the Town Board . MOTION : C . Kammen moved that the Board approve the resolution as proposed . L . Sharpsteen seconded , and it was carried unanimously . MOTION : V . Miller moved that Ch . Hirvonen endorse the map of The -Horizons with the Planning Board seal . J . Kirby seconded the motion , and it was carried unanimously . The seal was then placed on the map . It was noted that copies of t he map must be filed with Tompkins County Clerk and with the Town of Lansing . II . The Board then turned its attention to Mr . Lima ' s request for Board approval of the PDA , known as Horizon Villages , to be located off N . Triphammer Road adjacent to and north of the Horizons Subdivision . 4IVCh . Hirvonen proceeded with the discussion and acceptance of requirements for the same following the schedule as it appears in t he Land Use Control Ordinance of the Town of Lansing with all documents found to be in order as presented by Mr . Barney and Ms . Remillard on behalf of Mr . Lima . Ms . Remillard presented copies of a booklet " Proposal for Planned Development Area Known as Horizon Villages " to members of the P lanning Board , which outlined in detail how all the requirements of t he Lansing Ordinance would be met . The following was also submitted : 1 ) Drawings of the two proposed ✓ illages as they will be developed ; 2 ) A map indicating the placement of structures on lots and landscaping -- tree planting plan . After discussion of Section 1307 of Land Use Ordinance , the Board determined that all conditions of the said section have been met by t he developers in the " Planned Development Area " . RESOLUTION : Having received conditional approval from the Lansing Town Board and having received a satisfactory Final Development Plan from Mr . Cima for Planning Board consideration , and the Planning Board having found said Plan to be in conformance with the requirements as 411 - stated in Section 1307 of Land Use Control Ordinance for the Town of Lansing , the Lansing Town Planning Board recommends to the Town Board that Horizon Villages , numbers one and two be given final approval --- with conditional approval for the entire Planned Development Area J 411^ known as the Horizon Villages located on N . Triphammer Road , owned and to be developed by Alex Cima . Villages 3 - 8 , as well as the entire PDA will be subject to review and approval by the Planning Board according to Lansing Land Use Ordinance . MOTION : C . Kammen moved that the Board approve the resolution as proposed . J . Homa seconded , and it was carried unanimously . MOTION : L . Sharpsteen moved that the said resolution be endorsed . J . Kirby seconded , and it was carried unanimously . Meeting was adjourned at 9 : 30 p . m . Next Meeting : September 9 , 1985 at 7 : 30 p . m . VM / sy • I > ® •tel TOWN OF • LANSING PLANNING BOARD Date : August 12 , 1985 Time : 7 : 30 p . m . Present : Chairman L . Hirvonen , C . Kammen , J . Kirby , V . Miller , harpsteen Absent . I , Homa , S . Rollins Enforcement Officer : G . Wood Guests : Alex Cima , John Barney , Candy Remillard , Larry Fabbroni , Rocco Lucente and his son , Clinton Pool , Margaret McElwee ( Lansing Town Board ) I . Approval of Minutes for Meeting of July 8 , 1985 MOTION : V . Miller moved that the minutes of the meeting on July 8 , 1985 stand approved . C . Kammen seconded the motion and it was carried unanimously . II . Discussion of the Mobile Home Park Ordinance It has been brought to the attention of the Planning Board by concerned ® residents of Lansing that requirements of the Lansing_ Mobile Homer Park it —� Ordinance are apparently being circumvented , and as a result undesirable " parks " are being formed without benefit of license . In an effort to �• ' dr correct this problem , various possible amendments to the ordinance were /v discussed . Presently regulations of the ordinance for a Park may be avoided by " deeding " the parcels in the Park to family members - - or others - - thus forming a Park of three or more mobile homes on adjacent lots as presently defined . Ways to correct this problem were discussed in general by board members : 1 ) Change the number of mobile homes which constitute a mobile home park . It is presently 3 or more ; this could be changed to 2 or more . 2 ) Revise the requirements for mobile home lot size and change the definition of a mobile home park : Mobile homes on 2 or more contiguous lots would constitute a park whether the parcels of land are owned by the same person or not , and a mobile home park license would have to be obtained under such conditions . 3 ) Three or more trailers on a contiguous lots could be considered a subdivision which would require the Planning Board ' s approval . The Planning Board agreed that an amendment to the mobile home park ordinance is necessary and that a recommendation should be made to the Town Board for such an amendment . The amendment that was proposed is as follows : hree or more units located on contiguous parcels , whether or not , , , , ' under the same ownership , and within 150 - feet of less between each ;\ t , iHi: , unit , shall for the purpose of this ordinance be_ considered a de ( facto park and shall be subject to the regulations thereof . L . Hirvonen will check this recommendation with Tom Niederkorn before it is submitted . MOTION : C . Kammen moved that the recommendation be submitted to the Town Board (' for action . • , I ,; n ` i J . Kirby seconded the motion and it was carried unanimously . 'I u 72,� L . Hirvonen requested that J . Kirby and G . Wood check into the situation /' (-,� �- ' ,� mv-� ' ��1L with respect to the mobile home park ordinance . They " � on - agreed to report back to the Planning Board at the meeting on September 9 . i III . Discussion of the Division of the Clinton Pool Property on Atwater Road Mr . Pool presented a preliminary sketch of the division of his land to the Planning Board . L . Sharpsteen pointed out that the frontage on one piece of property is 97 feet instead of 100 feet . Mr . Pool agreed that the line could easily be moved to meet the 100 foot requirement of Lansing Subdivision Regulations . l� , MOTION : L . Sharpsteen moved that the Board waive the public hearing on the Pool property with the understanding that the sketch plan would be amended to meet the 100 foot frontage requirement , and with that adjustment , that the Board approve Mr . Pool ' s preliminary plans . C . Kammen seconded the motion and it was carried unanimously . L . Hirvonen asked Mr . Pool to return on September 9 with another drawing to show the adjustment of the 100 foot frontage . 411 IV . Discussion of Alex Cima ' s Major Subdivision -- " The Horizons " Mr . Barney presented to the Board for their approval an altered plat for the required 10% of the proposed subdivision where three lots ( 32 , 33 , 34 ) were redrawn to make only two lots ( 32 and 34 ) . He also presented the final plat for the major subdivision , most of which lies in the Town of Lansing . He indicated that before the developers can finalize their loan with the bank, the planning board must give its approval fora final plat . MOTION : C . Kammen moved that prior to considering the final plat , the Board must first approve the change in the preliminary plat , that of Changing lots 32 , 33 , and 34 into lots 32 and 34 . L . Sharpsteen seconded the motion and it was carried ' utanitiously . MOTION : V . Miller moved that a public hearing for the Cima profiet• ty >be Theid at the next Planning Board meeting on September 9 , at 8 : 3b p :m . _g' ven. that all of the required forms , papef5 and maps on the Horizons : have been compiled and delivered to the Board bn time . C . Kammen seconded the motion and it was carried unanimously . L . Hirvonen 'requested that these forms , papers and mage be 4e..livered to her at least 5 days prior to the public hearing . Mt . Battthy •:: & greed to this . V . Discussion of Alex Cita ' s Second Village and the. Planfig&De've'lupinent Area all Board members expressed concern that a more decisive plan far �. •:iandscaping is needed . Ms . Remillard felt that at this point it wo`uldbe ° too expensive to do an extensive site plan of the plantings . . ' Howeve.r , she suggested that they could furnish the Board with a written document , stating what the plantings would be by a landscape authoritye : McGuire Gardens ) and that such a plan could be reviewed and approved forthe given .. w 7 2 area . The Board agreed to this . V . Miller asked how the second village would relate in its location to the first one , especially as to the placement of driveways , parking lots , and houses . Ms . Remillard said that they didn ' t have a layout of that yet . The Board requested that Mr . Cima do a sketch of the second village as was done for the first one , and combine the sketches for the two villages so that the Board may see the relationship between the two along with possible layouts of future villages . Ms . Remillard agreed that this could be done . It was also pointed out , for the information in particular of new board members , that there would be only 40 - 50 feet between buildings in the village and between villages which would not leave an immense amount of space and may create a rather crowded look - - even though this is within t he prescribed limits allowed . Mr . Cima expressed his dismay in working with three municipalities and the problems it has caused him . He said he was very anxious to get the proper approvals so that he could begin construction . Mr . Barney requested that the Board give its approval for the final plat o f the first two villages in the PDA ; this approval is a precondition to 110 obtaining financing through the bank . The Board agreed that it could not approve the requests until they had : 1 ) a drawing of the entire area of the PDA with villages one and two in their respective locations , 2 ) a letter describing the kind of plantings by a qualified landscaper , 3 ) a statement of construction and staging along with dates . Because of necessary " timing " of requirements of the ordinance , the P lanning Board agreed to hold a special meeting on Monday , August 19 , 1985 at 7 : 30 p . m . to review the final documents ( listed above ) for the PDA of the Cima property . L . Hirvonen requested that Mr . Cima review Article XIII , Section 1307 , Item B of the Land Use Control Ordinance before the meeting on August 19th to make sure that he is complying with all necessary requirements . VI . Discussion of the Lucente Preliminary Plat Larry Fabbroni explained that Rocco Lucente owns over 130 acres of land o ff of Warren Road north of the airport . He has already developed part of the land , but desires to further develop other parts of it . One problem they face is sewer drainage since they are unable to connect to the public sewer system at this time . Hence , they have turned to a lagoon type of drainage with pumping stations . To "make the cost ^ of the lagoon feasible , this development phase iflAther large . ✓ . Miller asked if the lagoon could serve the entire Farrell Road / Warren Road area of apartments . She was assured that it could . L . Sharpsteen asked the projected life of the lagoon . Mr . Fabbroni replied that it was approximately 50 years . L . Sharpsteen also asked the average size of the lots on which there would be apartments . Mr . Fabbroni said they were planning on 150 by 250 feet lots . cJ 41/ There was some discussion on parking facilities and traffic flow . Mr . Fabbroni assured the Board that there would be sufficient parking places ( roughly 80 ' x 60 ' per apartment complex ) and that the local streets would be able to handle the increased traffic flow . L . Hirvonen suggested that t hey may perhaps want to look at a loop road with the development . L . Sharpsteen asked about their estimated time table for completion of the development . Mr . Fabbroni said it should take roughly 10 years to complete the 30 buildings . V . Miller inquired about the square footage in the one bedroom apartments . Mr . Lucente indicated that the one bedroom apartments would have approximately 500- 600 square feet , the two bedroom 800- 900 square feet , and the three bedroom 1000 square feet or better . L . Hirvonen told Mr . Lucente that the Board was somewhat overwhelmed with the development and that she and the Board would like to further discuss it during the September meeting and then have Mr . Lucente return in October . Mr . Lucente agreed . VII . Miscellaneous ✓ . Miller brought to the attention of the Board that the annual meetings o f the New York Planning Federation will be held this October 13- 15 at G rossingers . She indicated that the program looked very worthwhile and that it might be helpful for a couple of Board members to attend . L . ® Hirvonen agreed that funds for attendance may be available . L . Hirvonen moved that the meeting stand adjourned until next Monday , August 19 )4\ at 7 : 30 p . m . The motion was seconded and carried unanimously . smy