HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-03-26 TOWN OF LANSTNG PLANNING BOARD
Date : March 26 , 1984
40 Time : 7 : 30 P .M .
Present : Chairman S . rleveland , L . Hirvonen , L . Montague , H . Ley
Absent : V . Miller , J . Kirby
Guests : Barbara Irish , Alex Circa , John Barney
I . Minutes of previous meeting
March 12 , 1934 -
MOTION : L . Hirvonen moved to accept the minutes of March 12 , 1934 as read .
H . Ley seconded the motion , carried unanimously .
II . Donald Worsell Subdivision - Algerine Road
L . Montague told the members that the map Donald Worsell had submitted had
been misinterpreted . There were four parcels to be included , not three .
He wished to add an amendment to the Motion made at the Public Hearing held
on January 23 , 1934 to include the fourth lot . It was agreed upon by those
present .
III . Alex Cima proposed subdivision - North Triphammer- Bush Lane area
S . Cleveland introduced Barbara Irish to the members present . He said that
he would like to see open channels of communication between the Village and
the Town Planing Boards , it would be beneficial to all .
B . Irish said that Alec Cima would be attending the Village Planning Board
meeting the following night to submit his site plan review .
L . Montague read a copy of the letter he sent to A . Cime listing certain
concerns of the Board and inviting him to this evening ' s meeting .
H . Ley noted that A . Circa planned to put four to six apartments in each of
his multiple dwellings .
L . Montague said that A . Cima had talked to him about water and sewer approval .
He wanted to know what the Village had to do with the Town ' s giving approval
for anything . L . Hirvonen thought that more information should be available
before anything is approved .
L . Hirvonen had further thoughts on the subdivision plans , she was partic-
ularly interested in the road design , the single accessroad and Bush Lane
carrying heavier traffic flow because of the subdivision . She felt that
there was need for another road to go into the area and that Bush Lane
was presently inadequate to take the added traffic . S . Cleveland thought
that there might be up to 150 cars involved in that project .
L . Montague said that A . Cima told him he was in the process of acquiring
another access to the property , possibly on the north end near the water
tower .
L . Hirvonen said that according to the ordinance a road cannot just end. , it
must have a right - of- way to somewhere , a block can only beso long , it must
have a beginning and an end . She did not like dead ends and felt that the
Town Board did not either .
L . Montague pointed out that the Orear property did not have en extra access
road but L . Hirvonen said that it did have a right- of- way off the Butler
or Hicks property .
L . Hirvonen said that V . Miller gave her the following points to be made :
the "T " should end at the end of the property rather then in the middle ,
should have something more than drainage easements to provide for the drainage ,
the drainage flows should follow the contours of the land , not up end down ,
® the multiple dwelling residences were landlocked on the end of the street ,
the roads should not be done piece- meal , need cross section along with the
preliminary plat , possibly put up a bond for future road work , and that there
was heavy run- off in the Spring .
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Alex Cima proposed subdivision - continued .
H . Ley felt that economics figured in with doing the road in sections . He
. favored the members walk the area to check it out .
S . Cleveland wanted to know if A . Cima purchased- the adjoining property from
the Bush estate . H . Ley said that A . Cima had , everything but the house .
S . Cleveland was concerned about the soil type in the area , possibly
standing water could happen .
It was questioned whether it would be advisable to have another road coming
off onto North Triphammer Road .
T1 . Ley was wondering if it would be acceptable if the " T " s on the map were
connected . L . Hirvonen liked that idea , felt it would make for a better
traffic flow .
At this point Mr . Cima and Mr . Barney joined the meeting .
S . Cleveland briefly reviewed for them the open discussion held before their
arrival . He stressed that the success of the subdivision would require the
. full cooperation of the Village , the Town and Mr . rima and with this thought
in mind had invited B . Irish to the meeting . He also said that the Town
P lanning Board was mainly interested in what was best for the Town . He
asked Mr . _ Cima to give an update since the last meeting .
A . Cima said that he had not done much since the last meeting . He would
agree to changing the cul- de- sacs to " T " s . He said that he had spoken with
B . Irish briefly on the phone . He had taken into full account the parking
situation for the multiple dwelling residennes . He was not interested in
renting his apartments to students but rather to retired people . He had
not selected the styles for the multiple residences but would try to keep
them interesting and varied i ^ style .
J . Barney said that it would not be inconceivable to have another access
✓ oad from North Triphammer . A . Cima said that he had a right - Of-way around
the water tank area for possibly a second access road . L . Hirvonen said
that that area became very icy in the winter and. S . Cleveland noted that
accidents to occur because of the weather conditions .
A . rims had considered the property along Triphammer for low profile
commercial .
J . Barney said that their main concern was for the two - six unit lots and
the ones along Bush Lane . The land has not been bought yet , they would like
the Board ' s approval first and then purchase . it .
A . , rims felt that it would take five to ten years to develop the project . '
L . Hirvonen asked for further explanations about the drainage . J . Barney
said that once A . Cima owned the land he will provide for drainage and ell
future development would be subject to good drainage . A . rime said that
there would be a drainage ditch . She wanted to know why there was no
drainage easement provided for . He said that a large culvert went under
Triphammer all the way to Burdick Hill . He said that he had hired an en-
g ineer to ley it out , felt he had done a thorough job .
L . Hirvonen was still bothered because of the large size of the subdivision
and because of the heavy Spring. run- off . She thought it could possibly
erode people ' s yards . J . Barney said it was a gradual slope , homes and
grass areas should take care of it , but if not , more ditches cmeld be put
in .
A . Cima said that borings had not been done yet . He knew that there was
bed rock in some areas . . He felt that his road work in the Been Hill area
410 had been done correctly . L . Montague asked if he would be willing to put
up a bond for future road work . J . Barney agreed to that .
A . rima said that he put the multiple dwellings on the rear lots because
most people do not like them mixed in with one and two family homes . He
planned to keep them end maintain them .
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A . Cima proposed subdivision continued .
S . Cleveland asked them if they were having any problems with water and
sewer . J . Barney said that they had to check with the Village Planning
Board and the Town Board . They would not like to think about continuing
w ith their present plans without sewer and water . L . Montague asked if
they would drop their plans completely without water gad sewer . J . Barney
said they might continue on a different basis . maybe double the lots , put
in septic systems and wells . Would prefer to keep the income property in
the plans . A . lima said out of fifty homes in the Bean Will area only
o ne has water problems .
L . Hirvonen asked if Tom Miller , their engineer could prepare supplemental
information on the drawings . A . (lima said he could .
S . Cleveland asked them for their time table . J . Barney said they had
only five months left to purchase the property contingent on approval of
water and. • sewer and approval of their subdivision plans .
J . Barney asked the Board for their concerns . H . Ley listed his as the
dead end streets , traffic flow in and out of the area and fire protection .
L . . Hirvonen said that in the past it was requested to have a right - of-way
in reserve rathen then a dead end street . A . Cima found no problem with
that .
He felt that it would be too expensive to put the " T " s on the end of the
property but he could put an easement in for future development .
S . Cleveland did not like the right angle of the road in terms of' people
using it , cutting it short , could be slippery in the winter , the road
design he felt was not correct . A . Circa replied that Tom Miller talked
about it , felt that 60from curb to curbwas sufficient .. He felt that
the road could possibly be moved to lot 1 .
H . Ley said that the Board would like two roads into the area . He felt that.
if there was an access to Triphammer it would alleviate the stress factor .
He would be willing to waive a connector road between the two " T " s at
that point:.
S . Cleveland -would also like to see clarification re parking for the
multiple residences . A . Cima thought there might be a possibility of
garages for them .
S . Cleveland would like information about soil type and overall natural
drainage also an aerial photograph . A . Circa said Tom Miller had photos .
H . Ley asked if the hedgerow would stay in . A . Cima said he leaves in as
many treesas possible , often transplants saplings .
It was decided by all present that it would be good to have a joint meeting
w ith the Village Planning Board on April 9th at their offices .
B . Irish , A . Cima and J . Barney left the meeting at this point .
H . Ley said that he liked the idea of keeping the multiple dwelling separate
from the other residences . L . Hirvonen said she would accept it as long as
there would be a right- of- way to the Olafson property . S . Cleveland said he
was willing to cooperate and compromise ? not to have the " T" s connect but
go to the end of the property with a " T ` . Everyone agreed . L . Montague will
contact J . Barney and tell him , of this . decision .
H . Ley will attend the Village Planning Board the following evening .
IV . Proposed zoning ordinance
6 . Cleveland reported that the Town Board has decided to deal with the fire
and building codes before proceeding any further with the zoning question .
The public hearing to be held. on May 7th has been. cancelled . The zoning
ordinance may not be back on their agenda until May .
1110 S . Cleveland also reported that there were several prospects for the newly
listed enforcement officer position .
He said that several anti- zoning groups have been formed in the Town .
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V . Other Business
It was noted that now there are two vacancies on the Planning Board and
further discussion will be held at a later meeting .
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Meeting Adjourned : 10 : 15 P .M .
Next Meeting : Joint meeting with the Village Planning Board at their offices ,
April 9 , 1934 - 7 : 30 P .M .
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