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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1983-12-12 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD lbDate : December 12 , 1983 Time : 7 : 30 P .M . Present : Chairman V . Miller , L . Montague , W . Cook , T . Kick , H . Ley Absent : L . Hirvonen , R . Briggs , S . Cleveland I . John Wurster - Jack Morse Proposed Subdivision - Triphammer Terrace - Tn . of Lansing A forum meeting was held for the purpose of briefly discussing the proposed John Wurster - Jack Morse subdivision to be located off Triphammer Terrace in the Town of Lansing . MOTION : L . Montague made a motion that the Town of Lansing Planning Board accept the preliminary plat submitted by John Wurster and Jack Morse for a four ( 4 ) parcel minor subdivision to be located off Triphammer Terrace in the Town of Lansing with the provision of a deed restriction with regard to the maintenance of a common access road to all parcels of property con- tained therein . H . Ley seconded the motion , carried unanimously . C . Montague will send a copy of the above to John Wurster end Jack Morse . i • cem - 1- PUBLIC HEARING Date : December 12 , - 1933 16 Time : 3 : 00 P .M . Present : Town Board - Chairman , P . Munson , M . McElwee , L . Emmick , G . Stevens , B . Hillard Planning Board - Chairman , V . Miller , L . Montague , H . Ley , T . Kick , W . Cook , R . Briggs ' Absent : Planning Board - L . Hirvonen , S . Cleveland Guests : T . Niederkorn , Planning Consultant , R . Williamson , Town Attorney P . Munson opened the meeting by welcoming the large number of people in attendance . J . Bush- Horky read the notice of the public hearing es it had appeared in the Ithaca J ournal on 11/30 /33 . P . Munson introduced the members of the Town Board . H e then introduced V . Miller who in turn presented the Planning Board members . ✓ . Miller gave a brief review of her years spent in Lansing and her pleasures end frustrations with the Town . She turned the meeting over to T . Niederkorn . T . Niederkorn told the assembly that the proposed zoning ordinance had been a two year project . It was an amendment to the present zoning ordinance . He outlined whet the Planning Boerd • hed done . He said that zoning had to be based on a Master Plea . The Master Plan would show the community as it might be in 20 /25 years . Zoning is one way , he felt , that the lend could be controlled . He then presented a series of slides showing the Master Plan map , a sample of what the proposed document would look like , the land use map , a schedule of land uses and a schedule of lend use requirements . H e stated that the ordinance could be amended during the course of the ,years . As the community changes , it must be responded to . The meeting was then opened to Questions from the floor . The following people spoke alioout , giving their views , both pro and con : J im McKane - Triphammer Road - asked if there was a limit to the number of buildings allowed on e person ' s property . Answer - T . Niderkorn - 100 sq . ft . would control , not the number of buildings . Mike Marshall - Lensingvilie Road:. -- . asked i.f a _ person wanted to build a garage or e home larger then 100 sq . ft . , would he have to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals for e variance . Answer - T . Niderkorn - That person should go to the enforcement officer to check on whether he was meeting the re - quirements or. -not . If hemazy - the officer could give it to him . Stub Boles - Lansingville - wanted to leave it ( zoning ) out of our town period . Al White - asked if a demographic study had been made and if so , if it had been made by the same people who had done it for the new school . Answer - T . Niderkorn - Yes , a study had been made . Marion Tobey - asked what kind of en animal could be put into a 100 sq . ft . building , chicken , dogs . Answer - T . Niederkorn - any animal could be es long es it was permitted in that area . Stub Boles - Lansingville - wanted to know if you could still cut wood on your own lend . Answer - T . Niederkorn - If it were for your own use , you could . Of it were to he sold commercially , you could not on the chance you might ruin the woods . Paul Dedrick - wanted to know what we .s the difference if you cut wood to sell or grew corn to sell as long as it was on your own lend . Answer - T . Niederkorn - cutting too much wood changes the characteristics of the land , could create erosion . Bob Hoyte - wanted to know if the farmers could change their hedge rows . Answer - P . 4Pli, Munson - you could husband to harvest but to slaughter the woods , you would need a permit . Bob Hoyte - replied that farmers could clear their lend cheaper then buying more lend . Answer - T . Niderkorn - it would be okay to cut the wood if it were done as part of a farming operation but not as a logging business . „tr.. Bill Straub - Sperry Lane - felt strongly that his property had decreased as value at least $50 , 000 . due to no zoning . He and his wife built their home for the beautiful view of the lake and the hillsides and now it is blocked out by i the construction of a large house directly in their pathway . He warned those at the meeting , that it could happen to them too . Joan Ellis - said that she had spent ten hours reading the zoning ordinance and felt that it was prejudiced against the poor people and that it favored the ag people . The said no concern was shown for the natural beauty of the Town . She wanted to know who made the decisions if people came in for special permits . Answer - T . Niederkorn - The Planning Board is required by State law to assess each one , they in turn get help from professionals . Paul Barron - cautioned that the people should not pass judgement on those who had voted for the Town Board . He wanted some necessary things to be put into affect such as people buying land accepting as is , don ' t want others to judge him , Jeanine Kirby - farmer - wanted to know if she couldgive some of her land to each of her six children . Answer - T . Niderkorn . - the only restriction would be that you break them into at least minimum size lots , go to the Planning Board for subdivision approval . Jeanine Kirby - farmer - she would like to add a large farm market on the road to include wood , handmade items as well as foods . Answer - T . Niderkorn - if ' you are in an ag district , okay , but you would have to provide for safe parking , cars not backing out to the road . Al Lacko - he wantedto leave Peruville Road as it is now . Dwayne Ray - he would like to put a trailer on his land for a retirement home when he turns 55 . He wanted to know if it would be allowed. . Answer - M . McElwee - she felt that there had been a mis - print in the schedule and would check on it . Charles Murphy - Lakeview - wanted to know where mobile homes can go in Lansing . 41110 Answer - T . Niderkorn - in many places as long as they meet the requirements set forth , most of which are very similar to traditional type homes . Henry Paige - wanted to know if he could replace his present mobile home with a larger one . Answer - T . Niederkorn - you would need a variance to do so . Paul Barron - stated that when he was on the board , mobile homes were allowed all through Lansing . Answer - P . Munson - they are not being disqualified , rather they are required to be treated like a home . Mike Marshall - wanted to know if the Board knew that the people wanted to keep Lansing as it is . Jim Preston - he said that he had observed the Planning Board and the fact that they had. worked for over five years on this project . He is generally against re- strictions but can see whether we agree or not , they are generally helpful . LaVerne Pechuman - Lakeview - he said that he moved to Lansing twenty years ago because he liked it and would like to see it stay that way . Felt that the Town needed zoning . Bill Straub - felt that the group consisted of rock- ribbed individuals and perhaps the Board should consider leaving the ag district as it is now and change the other areas only . Mike Marshall - he would like to see a referendum . Answer - P . Munson - State law does not permit a referendum when it comes to zoning , speed laws , etc . Wayne Lucas - wanted to know why the first ' time there was a referendum . Answer - P . Munson There never was one . David Hardie - he wanted to know what was so terrible about zoning . He had sat on the Planning Board and knew how hard the task had been , the members felt that they were doing something good for the Town . When people come in with complaints such as those on Searles Road , the Bould could do nothing . Mary Searles - Searles Road - she wanted to know more about a buffer zone when it comes to noise and livestock and odors . She wanted to know whose problem it was if someone came and built a house alongside the buffer zone . Answer - T . Niederkorn - their problem . G . Stevens - without zoning , they would have no right to complain . - 2- ' Al White - he said he was against change , felt it would prove to be too expensive to 1 control . Felt that everyone should treat their neighbors well , then no problems . Jeanine Kirby - wanted to know why this has come up all of a sudden . Answer - P . I Munson - People come in with complaints to the Planning Board , they can ' do very little . The Planning Board came to the Town Board and asked them for help . Corey Gettig - Mill Street - The New York State school boards and local districts want the state education department to be the enforcing agent for the fire codes for the schools . She wanted to know what the time schedule was on this proposal . Answer - P . Munson - The Town Board will meet tomorrow night and possibly decide then . Fred Knight - he does not want zoning as he feels personalities rule with members on the boards . P . Munson then asked for ashow of hands - 73 hands were raised against zoning , 30 for it . J im Roundy - up to five years ago , 1-was in favor of zoning . Now I havefifteen trailers next to me . What ' s going to happen , he wants to know . Answer - P . Munson - there is no ordinance restricting it now . B ill Gettig - Mill Street - he sees a need for zoning , particularly in denser areas as it would benefit the majority . He thought the Town should be segmented . Answer - P . Munson - that ' s a good idea , he felt . Bud Howell - he told the people that he fought zoning thirty years ago but it was " shoved down our throats anyway . " Doesn ' t want a repeat . Linda Beckwith - she said that she moved to Lansing because there was no zoning and if people didn ' t like it , they could move out . John Farkas - went along with Bud Howell ' s remarks . He felt that it was the ' new ' people who wanted it , not the old ones . Answer - P . Munson - mostly it 41111 is the people where homes are close together . Bert Hilliard - he was still confused after reading it . P . Munson then thanked everyone for coming andexpressing their views . The meeting closed at 10 : 15 P .M . cem - 3- T TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD Date : December 12 , 1933 Time : 7 20 P OM Pre sen Chairman ?•i _' ler , L . Montague ; W . Cook , T . Kick , H . Ley '1c L0 = _ _ rvOr±e _< s g ... c C: . Cleve lana. . ' . - J M arse flo-oosec Sub : ivision - Triphammer Terrece - Tn . of Lensing A forum meeting was held for the purpose of briefly discussing- the proposed John Wurster - Jack Morse subdivision to be located off Triphammer Terrace in the Town of Lansing . NOTION : L . Montague made a motion that the Town of Lansing Planning Board accept the preliminary plat submitted by John Wurster and Jack Morse for a four ( 4 ) parcel minor subdivision to be located off Triphammer Terrace in the Town of Lansing with the provision of a deed restriction with rc+ gerd to the maintenance of a common access road to ell parcels of property con- tained therein . H . Ley seconded the motion , carried unanimously . Montague will send a copy of the above to John Wurster end Jack Morse . o • • • . . t ' • • • • • cern - 1- 4 PUBLIC HEARING ® Date : December 12 , 1983 Time : 3 : 00 P .M . Present : Town Board - Chairmen , P . Munson , M . McElwee , L . Emmick , G . Stevens , B . Hilli? rd Planning Board - Chairmen , V . Miller , L . Montague , H . Ley , T . Kick , W . Cook , R . Briggs Absent : Planning Board - L . Hirvonen , S . Cleveland Guests : T . Niederkorn , Planning Consultant , R . Williamson , Town Attorney P . Munson opened the meeting by welcoming the large number of people in attendance . J . Bush- Horky reed the notice of the public hearing as it had appeared in the Ithaca J ournal on 11/30 / 33 . F . Munson introduced the members of the Town Board . He then introduced V . Miller who in turn presented the Planning Board members . ✓ . Miller gave a brief review of her years spent in Lansing end her pleasures and frustrations with the Town . She turned the meeting over to T . Niederkorn . T . Niederkorn told the assembly that the proposed zoning ordinance had been e two year project . It was an amendment to the present zoning ordinance . He outlined whet the Planning Board had done . He said that zoning had to be based on e Mester Plan . The Master Plan would show the community as it might be in 20 /25 years . Zoning is one way , he felt , that the land could be controlled . He then presented e series of slides showing the Master Plan map , a sample of what the proposed document would look like , the lend use map , e schedule of land uses and a schedule of land use requirements . H e stated that the ordinance could be emended during the course of the years . As the community changes , it must be responded. to . ® The meeting was then opened to questions from the floor . The following people spoke out , giving their views , both pro and con : J im McKane - Triphammer Road - asked if there was a limit to the number of buildings allowed on a person ' s property . Answer - T . Niderkorn - 100 sq . ft . would control , not the number of buildings . Mike Marshall - Lensingville Road - asked if e person wanted to build a garage or a home larger then 100 sq . ft . , would he have to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals for a variance . Answer - T . Niderkorn - That person should go to the enforcement officer to check on whether he was meeting the re - quirements or not . If he was , the officer could give it to him . Stub Boles - Lansingville - wanted to leave it ( zoning ) out of our town period . Al White- asked if a demographic study had been made and if so , if it had been made by the same people who had done it for the new school . Answer - T . Niderkorn - Yes , a study had been made . Marion Tobey - asked what kind of en animal could be put into 100 sq . ft . building , chicken , dogs . Answer - T . Niederkorn - any animal could be as long as it was permitted in that area . Stub Boles - Lensingville - wanted to know if you could still cut wood on your own lend . Answer - T . Niederkorn - If it were for your own use , you could . Of it were to be sold commercially , you could not on the chance you might ruin the woods . Paul Dedrick - wanted to know what was the difference if you cut wood to sell or grew corn to sell as long as it was on your own land . Answer - T . Niederkorn cutting too much wood changes the characteristics of the land , could create erosion . ® Bob Hoyte - wanted to know if the farmers could change their hedge rows . Answer - P . Munson - you could husband to harvest but to slaughter the woods , you would need a permit . Bob Hoyte - replied that farmers could clear their land cheaper then buying more lend . Answer - T . Niderkorn - it would be okay to cut the wood if it were done as part of a farming operation but not as a logging business . B ill Straub - Sperry Lane - felt strongly that his property had decreased es value at least $ 50 , 000 . due to no zoning . He and his wife built their home for the beautiful view of the lake and the hillsides and now it is blocked out by the construction of a large house directly in their pathway . He warned those at the meeting , that it could happen to them too . J oan Ellis - said that she had spent ten hours reading the zoning ordinance and felt that it was prejudiced against the poor people and that it favored the eg people . She said no concern was shown for the natural beauty of the Town . She wanted to know who made the decisions if people came in for special permits . Answer - T . Niederkorn - The Planning Board is required by State law to assess each one , they in turn get help from professionals . Paul Barron - cautioned that the people should not passjadgement on those who had voted for the Town Board . He wanted some necessary things to be put into affect such as people buying land accepting as is , don ' t want others to judge him , J eanine Kirby - farmer - vented to know if she could rive some of her lana to each of her six children . Answer - T . Niderkorn - the only restriction would be that you break them into at least minimum size lots , go to the Planning B oard for subdivision approval . J eanine Kirby - farmer - she would like to add a large farm market on the road to include wood , handmade items as well as foods . Answer - T . Niderkorn if you are in en er district , okay , but you would have to provide for safe parking , cars not backing out to the road . Al Lacko - he wanted to leave Peruville Road es it is now . Dwayne Ray - he would like to put a trailer on his land for a retirement home when he turns 55 . He wanted to know if it would be allowed . Answer - M . McElwee - she felt that there had been a mis - print in the schedule and would check on it . ® Charles Murphy - Lakeview - wanted to know where mobile homes can go in Lansing . Answer - T . Niderkorn - in many places as long as they meet the requirements set forth , most of which are very similar to traditional type homes . - Henry Paige - wanted to know if he could replace his present mobile home ' with a larger one . Answer - T . Niederkorn - yoga would need a variance to do so . Paul Barron - stated that when he was on the board , mobile homes were allowed all through Lansing . Answer _ - P . Munson - they ere not being disqualified , rather they are required to be treated like a home . Mike Marshall - wanted to know if the Board knew that the people wanted to keep Lansing as it is . J im Preston - he said that he had observed the Planning Board end the fact that they had worked for over five years on this project . He is generally against re- strictions but can see whether we agree or not , they are generally helpful . LaVerne Pechuman - Lakeview - he said that he moved to Lansing twenty years ago because h e liked it and would like to see it stay that way . Felt that the Town needed zoning . B ill Straub - felt that the group consisted of rock- ribbed individuals end perhaps the B oard should consider leaving the ag district as it is now and change the other areas only . - Mike Marshall - he would like to see a referendum . Answer - P . Munson - State law does not permit a referendum when it comes to zoning , speed laws , etc . Wayne Lucas - wanted to know why the first time there was a referendum . Answer - P . Munson There never was one . David Hardie - he wanted to know what was so terrible about zoning . He had set on the P lanning Board and knew how hard the task had been , the members felt that ® they were doing something good for the Town . When people come in with complaints such as those on Searles Road , the Bould could do nothing . Mary Searles - Searles Road - she wanted to know more about a buffer zone when it comes to noise and livestock and odors . She wanted to know whose problem ' it was if someone came and built e house alongside the buffer zone . Answer - T . N iederkorn - their problem . G . Stevens - without zonin , , they would have no right to complain . - 2- l+ Al White - he said he was against change , felt it would prove to be too expensive to control . Felt that everyone should treat their neighbors well , then no problems . Jeanine Kirby - wanted to know why this has come up all of E sudden . Answer P . Munson Peo1� come in with complaints to the _ lannin , Doan] , they can do very little . The Planning Board came to the Town Board end arked them for help . Corey Gettig - Mill Street - The New York State school boards and local districts went the state education department to be the enforcing agent for the fire codes for the schools . She wanted to know what the time schedule was on this proposal . Answer - P . Munson - The Town Board will meet tomorrow night end possibly decide then . Fred Knight - he does not want zoning as he feels personalities rule with members on the boards . P . Munson then asked for ashow of hands - 73 hands were raised against zoning , 30 for it . Jim Roundy - up to five years ago , I was in favor of zoning . Now I havefifteen trailers next to me . W'het ' s going to happen , he wants to know . Answer - P . Munson - there is no ordinance restricting it now . Bill Gettig - Mill Street - he sees a need for zoning , particularly in denser areas as it would benefit the majority . He thought the Town should be segmented . Answer - - P . Munson - that ' s a good idea , he felt . Bud Howell - he told the people that he fought zoning thirty years ago but it was ` shoved down our throats anyway . " Doesn ' t want a repeat . Linda Beckwith - she said that she moved to Lann' ing because there was no zoning and if people didn ' t like it , they could move out . John Farkas - went along with Bud Howell ' s remarks . He felt that it was the ' new ' 411 people who wanted it , not the old ones . Answer - P . Munson - mostly it is the people where homes are close together . . Bert Hilliard - he was still confused after reading it . • P . Munson then thanked everyone for coming and expressing their views . ` p .meeting closed et 10 : 15 P .M . • • • • 110 cem - 3 -