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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981-11-09 3b �_ 2 rt TOWN OY LANSING PLANNING NNING BOARD - -- > 0.- // 413 j/i sli ;: Date november 9 , 1981 E�'#' � 7 : 30 P . M . +:. , _ � Pima : .J4 ,' .- Present : Chairman V . Miller , R . Briggs , S . Cleveland , D . Hardie , Wt L . Hirvonen , H . Ley , L . Montague .,5, a - Ab'sent : T . Kick : Guest : T . Niederkorn , Planning; Consultant s " I • Minutes of previous meeting October12 , 1981 MOTION. : S . Cleveland moved toaccept the minutes . D . Hardie , seconded , carried. unanimously . . !,� . , : : II .. Officer ' s Report 0 V . Miller .- Chairman - V . Miller gave a brief report on her attendant g " rat. . the Regional Planning and Zoning Meetings held in . Ellenville a ' • on. October 25 - 27 .. The State fire codes will be necessary with R m iitipie h�ousi lag and . it . is on., the ; books . This Could be . costly . i6. on the local level . If you do not elect to do it on the local Al !can ., ' ° ' H level it then goes back to the State and the State will appoint 4. some one in the area . The State will help pay the local govern e. ment for the cost . It will take approximately one to two years 4 . kx, ,,f fora uniform code to be worked out . They feel no one can void ,`i it , R . Briggs will work with T . Niederkorn and the Town. Board ; on the fire codes as he has some experience in that. line . ,0 :" . Solar developmentwill have to be allowed in the ordinances . S . ' ' ' Cleveland questioned wind generation and V . Miller replied that.. T nothing was brought up onthat subject . She felt that it might besomething to . beiconsidered . ;Y 'y D . Hardie felt that % a letter from the Planning - Board might be . • sent to Sam McNeil and Bill Smithaboutfunds to cover some of , u Athe ,costs involved . He felt that we should draw . their: attention ' " r ; , . to this .. S . Cleveland remarked that it had been signed into law ` �f' c, on July 21st or . 22nd of " this year . V . Miller felt that this strengthened the Planning Boar_ d ' s case for zoning.. . . V . Millerpresented her bill . .. ; MOTION. : D . Hardie moved that V . Miller ' s expense s _ tncurred- - :while . . attending the Regional Planning and Zoning Meetings be ? r� paid . R . Briggs seconded , carried unanimously . 3+ r , III . ' ,. Committee. Reports L . Montague - Subdivisions - L . Montague reported that TSharpsteen u ',` 4 has approved the road and the turn around in `r� . Finkledey ' sr'` - Fiddler ' s Green Subdivision . L . Sharpsteen will present this to the Town Board at , their next meeting . L . Sharpsteen will have R . =,ti Williamson send A . Finkiedey a letter stating that he has five years to complete this project . iks ' . , V . Miller questioned whether he should be allowed to sell lots on *? F: ` `. : . 1 the ' uncompleted portion . S . Cleveland said that he has in the L ' ` ' past . and no doubt will continue to do so . V . Miller :a + ked : L . Mon- t` ` tague to request A . Finkledey to submita new map to be filed , of 1::.;5 5410' his subdivision indicating the approved portions only with a . note if, ,_ , attached that nothing else has been approved . ' S . Cleveland would like it noted that he is totally opDosed ' to accepting the road due to A . Finkledey ' s lack of compliance ' with ;' % regulations a - 1 - - sL - tCommittee Reports continued . W ,? . ° of k (;s$ ' v .: V . Miller received a note from George Stevens commenting on the th' Planning Board ' s tenacity with A . Finkledey and his subdivision . 0 :k, " , • W a ' `, • O ' Rear Subdivision - L . Montague reported the. t a public hearing z }, ' ' ,r.>` date : has not been set for. Mr . O ' Rear ' s subdivision . He" will * , t „ ,check with N . Stanton re the necessity . of approval from the F 4 ; ' County Health Department -orior to a public hearing . Notice of t , , Y '4 ' .1a public hearing must reach the Ithaca Journal at least eight ` r . , r `r days be- fore . the date .. L . Montague will take care of this . . 4 • `n r '' NOTION : : D . Hardie moved that a public hearing be set for. November 23 , 1981 at 7 : 50 P . I4 on the . 0 ' Rear. . subdivision , ;rh if all of the requirements are met . R . Briggs seconded , . ' 1 pov. carried unanimously . RF' 7. 1 . : S . 1 qn' ' ` 7e IV :1 . New Business ,r !: :re' '''' }° V . Miller' felt it was wise to assign various PlanningBoard . members ive M f� , t - , �J i ' yl r -, to . talk ° to Town Board ' members prior to the December 1st meeting , ,,c rfl , ; with . them . S . Cleveland will serve as Chairman : representing, the Planning Board at that meeting . T . Niederkorn will attend as r� � ', % c 'onsultant . . . 'j L� 1 ' j s ,� ° L1 Philip Munson H . Ley and ,D u.- € /2_ , ,! /0 / 6 . „61 "° ' � : " ,, N_ Lou- :Emmick - L . Montague c''X;a ' ' �1 ;, :. Bert Hilliard - H . Briggs j l y A -- : George Stevens D . Hardie � % ', Pee McElwee - has been ' contacted y '°” �A1,^ . V '. . NNeeville ' Project ' �,f' � pt . '' ' : S ', . Cleveland reported that he had talked with Peter : Towbridge : ::of `:' :,Cornell about .the landscape project proposed by Lee Neville for : •49),b.41 , - isr :,- 1. - ; : . the ,_Town . of Lansing . P . Towbrid e would like to ' meet with the' , Planning Board at the DecE ober 14th m � etin and ',Present his views .= - rpZl, l 5fl'. h Y TIS t.. „; 5 .2, _ . . . - 'e VI . fiZoning and Master Plan ` p4't lis 1 ' S rf^ ' >T . , Niederkor�n reviewed briefly the previous meeting ` :r� eld at V , . Miller „ t' ;' ' t A ' `' home on : October. ' 21 , 1981 . The Minimum lot size , was not determined f. .' ; 'at ..that : time .. . The zoning map had been discussed thoro zghi1y . . ' Ve:, ; . ;: ,- ^ ; Z 0 li frig districts have been changed as a result . _; : Medium density , has been indicated on the map with the apartments '12 it " 3 on Warren Road; ' south of- Cherry Road and Bush Lane , next ':to the r t r{ , , e' ,Viiia: e. , the . ' 14yers . area and Ludlowville . Medium density y lould be '. RX ♦ ) : LL _1: , hpossible only - with sewers and- water . � ` The : northeast area to . ' Peruville Road was left as: unclassif 'ied a _ a 44.P:.4, 1,-. ' : *.:0:2:1: 44..' '� k , X., , ; YoLline - went. down : along . Farrell Road , east .; of warren Ro d ;- up . .,to . °T r , : ' . . Asbury :and Armstrong Road back to Peruville . The . area east of,: .: n4 ; • , , f " ' 'Y ". Peruville Road and several hundred feet north of. it was in low - i' f S . ilrr ' density so as to have . 'control over the uses of this area , N,. .. ,,. . ' 4.4 T specifically mobile homes . Ir The commercial area was enlarged . The , intersection of North .;:Cl . ' . ; . . Triphammer and Peruville -toad has a has station and a. few other ` ° `' things . The idea ��ras .' to continue south on r' eruvlle Road OIHKAJ . .....:,1,, 2, , . . including theTown Hall un.d the To.�rn parking lot: . 'r, tIndustry. was extended ._out Warren Road , the extension of Farrell . . gt,tot l' Road , west about 1 , 000 ' feet straight down to t }ie `sown fine it 1 4r would include the clear zone , County and Cornell '.owned . - lands and '� ,,�` �4 Norse • Chain . ' ' This would Live about 150 more acres :tor ':potential 0 �5r;r '� ;Y : development . Strin commercial parallel, to and ° north oi� _' Cornell b`r tr e . . ' n k3 .. ., ' L ; } i. � - s Research - - poor . ' sosl condi cions riot good for ir�du ;� tzialil . f};^, ` f L . .Hirvonen . felt that -- there should be an area zoned fore. multiple ' r ; , , ' X family .. drellings . T . - Niederkorn said that there eb-lild :,;be':; iultiple `t family in low deli .. ity . areas , the land use could . be flexible ,- how' r,= 2 r 7 {ire Zoning ;. and Master Plan - - continued . . . t" il F" . • .. , much land would be needed to support it would. be the question .. . Os' , , It should be described in the Master Plan . • a„� ; LR . Briggs asked if tree sewers in Ludlowville were a : dead issue;. W 'i� :f T . ,`Niederkorn felt it would take live years or more to . come . : . ' ;ire, kt V . Miller wanted set backs , she felt that building. on corners wase; m� , = : unsafe , blocks vision . +11=g � , , D . Hardie wanted to know if zoning; commercial next to ' : the " road s' meant that everything in that parcel would be commercial . T .vol, >ir Niederkorn replied that it ' didn ' t . He explained that it Meant ',g ." ` ' that there would have - to be an arbitrary line " drawn . a distance: j . z n w '} ' ` S back from the road . Must be specific each ° , . , Ptime , ask the Town r' �Tnt : :Board 0 rezone it . } fit ` It was. felt that farm . ` land should be left as such . S . . Cleveland 1 suggested calling it Rural Agricultural District . " ` ' Minimuth lo.t size mi ht, ae considered to be 200 ' x 200 without r $ri3r' t 1 7 ra , - M sewers and water , 30 ; 000 sq . 1 t . with sewers and water . The vti, tY , ,:, F t • Health Department could chane their minds about ,:. the 200 ' ,, circle 1' ,r 4Y - {, V , within the lot . , :s, �c ,a �, �� ,ry= 4, . -,t Upland area Special \drainage problems • should be con i`dered ;; , , . A. r , r 7 R. et. aining the view , possible restrictions on home heights , 4,4 .+r 51 , ; ; .p • note. taller then 2 bf stories to keep the view were ` recommendedQ ,f .,; F . S,. Cleveland , felt that. . variances com •:� romise the intent ' of- . zoni.ng w t , y4,h , °� �, ,1 = T . , I� eller orn discussed cussed two philosophies ; one ' that , ii you ,f ;' to Y have a dingle . c.“; x , family area it should be ail single aril dwellings , Y a E s{ i , . and the , other is. . to allow anything ny-wnere as ons;: 4 s skiers is the - right kind of land, available . . �� ,.zat 4 . ; V . . +Miller thought that. cluster housin could be very , nice , more ' n0 .� > ks ;� ace to do things with . �� The question of reducing the 40 , 000 sq . i t . for apartments ,was %>y i+ , iscussed , the thought that apartments did not take •as Much space >i� rJ� Mryr as . single homes . . fll= 3vo multiple dwellings in rural agricultural districts was ,. V .. �e '” : < s Miller ' s idea . L . .Hirvonen remarked that it has bbeen done . 1 ' r n s „5 rig v T j. , - ' , . i 'Ir. ^ . } , . Niederkorn. said that the master lan does not .;have to be s e t+ war 1 xn , . ' . ` ,r; � ` ;'ad ,opted . by tn. e `Town Beard . tr , ` L';� ,,*if, • i -The possibility• • _ of x p y garden apartments in an undeveloped area was it o-t �< * , ' , , brought - up by . V . Miller '. Ideal location for retirement ' homes . . . . . g i. ` ,` ` ' , D . Hardie , felt that changes might be coming due to - the . .high cost . ' of` -heating • home. s , . constructions ideas putting them together; . . leaving the Land for other uses . "' t J. int ° R Briggs pointed ' but that growth should not be thwarted . - „;4 ' V . miller remarked that . the north side of Burdick Hill " Road 'l' � , t'�.{ , ic, ' would . ae ideal for medium density: as there is the possibility �, ,,, Y :- oz sewers and water , close to the Village . 4 Sf` s . ` • ', The issue of trailer parks was raised . . D . Hardie felt. that ': rural .. y , yN, , Iwas the only place . for ;them . V . Miller said that . they could not r=; Fr } t r:be . excluded from the 'i' own . . L . I irvonen noted that parks can be- , , , , .. .but -not single family mobile homes . "� i ' ` il, Lakeshore ' district - Much of the land � , has been c, e veloped , narrow 2 . , ,t, r ., s lots , . not much left . Some sewage ( Thorn - property ) is taken. .care F' ;, , , t of by . septic . tanks and . chlorinator and then into the. creek ' Wat.T ild ' _ iR . �. Bri t' figUred ' - • ,;- - , ggs � igizred tris lake frontacre to run between $ 75 . 00 and „ , X250 . 00 depending on ' the .area . V V . Diller noted : that' therer:were ,hir , about i1ft to sixt el. Y y .acres available off of Teeter ; Road . ' . • .: T, . Mie ,n .: i derrtorn considered , that area lake upland , very steep . 5 '. Cleveland < k would like to see the ` lake 'maintained as developed . . - 7 ' It . Hirvonen remarxed that there had been concern voiced ' by ,the , ? < I ,J , people -on Lansing . Station Road about future building on 4tne "' upland area east of the road . Drainage problems could occur . 14 v e 4 r , ,r - qr r t,7 ' Zoning and - Masher Plan - - continued . 4,,,71 i , ;., .r , , ,.; , , - . 1S1N 4 t. . . - ), i i4 L .. . - . . - , .. t. f s' T . Niederkorn;. showed : on ' . the leap that the area adjoining Milliken tilr . i , ai t fi01 ' #ii , . .Station was owned by NYSE& G and could possibly . become a . future a ,t park .io - I�4t•rti t zt `rAi , r „? • ” ' •` V. Iyiller said that the Town Board wanted written_ back . into ' the a ' plan that commercial goes back to the Planning Board and. not toal a { .3, . ,, is them , : . • ?,` •- irfti . " ` t Future Meetings . November 23 , .• 1981 - 7 . 30 P . N • - possi =ble public hearing kkk111 i� :'. . 1 _ -. • - '-- t' or the O ' Rear Subdivision., , .;.f.43.‘3.:;--... .3-_ , " D . Hardie will serve : as Cha ^man as . . ,• r lt , , V . hiller will be out of -, •town . T T . Niederkorn will return . with map . . , , ,�v`. ,< . . December 1 , 1981 - 7 : 30 P . n . 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