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°� Finklede jlubdIVIS1011L - Fiddlers Green..
I+`idler brought the Board up to date:. on . the r' inkledey Subdivision
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4 ; She suggest;ed ' that S. . , IIont'a it and I, . ;,harpsteen get. together to
, IIII seI.e where wee stand _ on it . A . Tait :.` Hobbs bought. a, lot., 2 . 14 acres ib .
ii, / ¢}V, �Y size ' and built .a block-- styO
le house on. it . . He had been guaranteed ,
x , '- + ; k ; / , j ,` ;' writing ` by Ivlr . E'inkledey that he would have water. He : ' signed a
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' "t `contract with TIr . Yinkledey to put in a septic system also . I4Tr .
?, 4 `Finkle:dey assured lair- . Hobbs that it had been . approved but 2ia�r lair .
Y ' n< k� jsYs� t 4P ` tIobbs = want`w proof of that , a certificate from the County Health
" e artment The well ha'd ;--been drilled one and one .Izal ears . ago
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a d is now producing five ', allons oI' water per eight_ eeri 'hours.
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A , ry trey ; ^tii � Y : ller ��felt < <ahat � there •: Ishould' . have been a` � notstion on '' he map''
, t�h�t . Ot I would not be ' sold ' until . Finkle"dey had final approval from
a `{ Mr , Williamson, :.. ( TOW Attorney ) Tile board gave him . permiss on - to
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tdivide .,one '<large lot into "tiro smaller ones , rill and :* 13 and tkis is
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w' , ; ,zr Ott , ;t Cori -t he :map ,;�in .-the: court.' house . He i�,Tas told �; o e; omb-ins - -lots ,, ;'14 and
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Y 'iI 15 : into one lot . at the iLSa'me time . He has :gold ;,' 1 � to I'Ir . . Hobbs . end
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r to' I Mr , rlalsteth .. I TI2is has been confirmed . HeL sold most of . the
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ip� on the lower road . , which is an unapproved road . . Some money for
road , has been put iAto escrow by the people who bou ;ilt 'trze lots .IA .
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a, F1 ' ; _ °3,; Whetner there % 3. s enough fin escrow to build the road V , flitter did '
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know .
{ ` F' ' Haxdie - I talked with Lloyd ( Sharpsteen ) ar2ci hei, told me :that0.
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, r the s'�ee art . . of the road is . still not approved ,
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t'y` ` � ~ ;,,' '` ;' v . hImiller - : We **:must , I ind�I" out where we stand , There '- is nothiri ( filed'it .
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v} , { ; ix , D ;> Hardie - . I -thou� ,Y'it that . we wrote that right. on the map . ,
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= ' , f Z . = Hirvon On : - 14Tr . 'Hobbs said that . it was not on t:'ne reap . According.
t' j `+�� to our . minutes it way ; 21Qted that the - County , Clerk worst:
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''' 4t4p " ram, usM , �{� ```should be written' on 'the map . See minutes 9/ 1C3 / '79 .
' h D . �iardie =. I remember ; s gninE the Preliminary , Plat . Tom Miller/ a j
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' r, IFlzller h' e thought, chat ,this rni -lit ;ha en that , eo le vrould
r, POOpp ! people . :
` ` " ` kII t, ZJU3T lots".thinking . It eras ' a.n approved subdivi'si on ;' 321d tY2ereore
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H�.rvonon - Ye',� , '' t Yzere -is ` oome thin separate filed' under , 1111 inkledey ,
: 1 V ,,� ,', + ` ids a cross -reference ., On 11 12 ( 9 accordin r o our minutes
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' ' ' r ; r ` " we received : a letter . from . ti e County Health vepart nent.' that there
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a s , `. a letter filed In .the County Clerk ' s oflice under a : cross -
3 " ' ` t". reference under hinkledey . I told Mr Hobbs Lab this o
r ;; < iI'Ii1l'er - ;�ihet upsets me is that I�Tr . liocibs bought1is . lot ° from
It Oil, Fj II lvirs . DescYiler , res �.;i ent of r' iddlers ; Green ' and die. knew . about _ the
problems . He : was aware ' off' the ,. n_ eed 'o'r water_ and a septic system
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` ` ' ' " `` ` ��/ ' but Y e didn 'a - re 1 � ze ;� +what kind ' of a man Mr . Finklede � is .,`� ` He'
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toprouicle water .
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/ > ` ' ` � , > ° things carefully . _ I think we s12ou.ld vunson it on `this :; so
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{ e�° ' �` ', i f ;� , he knows , what i ., u1r ' -, on . I�Ir . v� illiainson ( i' own ` :attorney,) ;' also .
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should - ind out if _ there is aay recourse on ` our part . Ol
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^ `' `•Finl�cledey Su'adi.vision, - Fiddlers Green - continued .
,4 S . . Cleveland - This whole tAill : , has LK, one iorward without anyl com-
Q �r , ;� " , 3` v` : ' , : pliance on Firikledey ! . s part . . I want it in the record that I am
. against it .
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V .' Miller "' ghat I want to i{.now is should we work with the I' owri to .
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°Y get d ie . road .ap or. oved :. and make sure that it is on the . map -
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? , G ;;��t , * , ,,„ ; t, : 'about . .the water problem ? Finish the road so that the lots can
t :s" '" ;,r " f be . sold ? Buy ers are liable to s' ind water themselves ?
« ' ''' ' ' 1.11 D : ',;Hardie I think we . , should continue to work with Finkledey for
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t the good of the, 11' own . arid also for the people ' s interest, , thoseL.
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n . - :.. What can : -we do ? Lorne ( Montague ) said something , to Haxvone
„h I. me the otYier d.ay and , it hit to home . " If someone takes him to
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court, and he loses , ., maybe the next guy. that comes , alon , will
really ca"re ' about how; he does things . " Where may be. some good
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,. Killer - .We. :. want a notation on the map , must tell Williamson .
Z . - . Hrvonen - This has been oin on for three
it- t� g g .years and he has -not
� ' ' done thin proper3.3* o. I ' d like to see it offthe books and
taken: ?care : of . When, .I found out that he, sold lots ;`�12 andfill
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separately without ' approaching the Board I was angry . I'`. am
' r 1 ,Yy , tired of working with him ,
rt S . Cleveland . He Yas had no intention to comply with the rules . , I
want no part' of him . .. , If the Town assumes that road subject to
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t =, t - -�:� his . meeting the specl :Ci_ cations ( /lU mile ) we are in'.. essence
', endorsi.ng ' his non - compliance of the rules over three years time .
I am opposed . to what he is doing - even accepting the road .°
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Kick , [Jouldn � t: it be a ' good idea to go to the Town 'Board and
u} � give them 'our position on tl:� is matter ? We have not changed one
inch . : �Je have no legal authority .
Hi.'rvonen - , We can instigate action .
Kuck We ought .to' put , a memo -to the Town board that Mr , Finkl_ ede
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, rr r' r , w is in violation, of . the ' subdivision . rules , legal action. should : be
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ry , ~ ,� lam, , ; - w , Fr F ,r taken by the Board and the Town Attorney .
< < D . '(Hardie Don ' t we have fines listed at the end of the subdivision
�� nr Ty ` , , X' , r:egulations 'I - This would be the first time we would have = the
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tik `lt ; a � Cleveland - This is a precedent setting case . This Town ' Board ,
'nLshould not allow. i to: Lo ariy further .
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4, w` ` ' „ f,F4V. . i~iiller The T;own> Baard - meets on the 14th and we , meet on- the 13th
y , so - Ili ink- . 'a me o should be sent to them bef ore then ; ' .
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' } ,4u `. H1i^voven In essence we' have already given him final' . approval fo :
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, the land bounding the 31/10 mile` of the road subject to its
;' approval . . . It is It rest that is not in compliance , tide:,, should.
y , , �; , $ notify . the To�,rn .Attorney that two lots . have been soli indivduall,
u = nll. r and- not .as one , which constitutes a viola ion..
Miller .- Linda , ( Hirvoszeri ) �'.Lz� d 1 will � Et 'tr:1iS Olt
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I sr - rs Board . . Is this agreeable ?
° � ` , u tiltAlT present `agreed ..
VLD . . :; Hardie Is,'. the Hobbs . lot beyond the > / 10 of the mile ? `
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Miller - Yes . , But Mr .. Finkledey has .- been tell �.rig , him : that the.
road conies to his lot • and even asked him to use ; his driveway Ior
the turn around .
` H`. . he - . Wh was .a decision made to sell the two lots together ?
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4, L . ' Hi.rvonen - In our minutes of 3 / 29 / 79 it was noted because , of
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I I . ;Land Use Management. - Continued Study
,r � t` V . ` T�iiil•ler I wanted. to . ' bring u one tliino on . the land-use ` ,+ordinance
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Mow , we : a wayys nad one area . listed as rural residential and I` question
r, a the . need for. that . We are going into coimnercial , high , -medium ,
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k low ' ` - anything else would Go into rural agriculture . Are these
tl'` Y `' the categories that you want ? Speaking 1for the whole town ?. At
"' ` '' the present:, there i1 ' no , commercial in haxl , ing , ghat was once com-
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Y pop ; , mercial is now in the Village . Chris % ' Greens possibly , South
"' pop. -.pop par sing anoth possibility . Or should we leave it as it is ,, txt t r
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but with variances ?
' '' uD . Hardie At . . one time . �3 11 }3ement and Fred Edmonson and I ` felt.
that the four corners , at at Peruville and North Triphammer. ' Roads
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v j, { } 1p,' z 4 , would .be a ] ikely shot . There is a gas station. . there now , light
k ,y � , manufacturing , potential restaurant and the corner acro. ss. . from
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pool r; , ,° poptoo cial:' , 'there is a gas . dank , Iiorvath ' s garage . . . .
+� ; �*t H y * k V .` IJliller . - Xou . could make, it light commercial as the "pillage does ,
Hardie - You have tremendous traffic there now . You have: a
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5 d . signal , here and no accidents since _it was installed so that.
{ wwou ; be a : natural commercial area . At Auburn Road and 'East,
N, � . Shore Drive ' there is the store and the hotel and I ' d like to see:
If,ono 4l i B , tl a Y ') Q �r e . . . .
z tthe _ Town . do, ; somethixzg about that burned out gas station across . ,
, plR IIV, c t ' " from . the ' hotel .. . You start down and you nave Bucky ' s ,, Cortland
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" Jar ;' ' ` ;; 1 ' _ w � ,V : I111er. . - First you have to designate an area commercial s.o that.
u rs ; ri a ° 1 ` R you can , have rules and ; regulations about parking and set backs . . .
rl l ou Hirvonen - ��Ihat about goin along East Shore Drive to the plaza ?
I H . . hey — `i' at would , be logical .
pop I. ," z}:; , F V : I'Jiiller.. - Would you :t=rant it i` or both sides of the road ?
L :H irvoneri - That ' s the usual way to co it ,
lop do. if oprtV . Iiilier There ' s cILxite a bit of residential there on the west . side
'4 ' There is always the oterxtial of grater. � J, Y p going in . Those homes were
k. built there . with no feeling about the garages and all being there .
„ `f That ,' a large area ' or commercial . I ' ll tie tri , to Tom ( IVie -
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, ' r ' , Road and North 'Triphammer and west down. j4pto to 'Salmon Creek ,
e ' w3 " r° � ' ' 4, south to . Asbury I3_oad; and then- down south on North Triphammer to
11 E4 , r r k Frariklin ;Drive .
'` 4 ' ftM °` D: Hardie - We . should put commercial in where the traffic is .
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V . Miller Tom. . ( Niederkorn ) recommended trkiat there not .be so many
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' : details in them allow : room for
,a , judgment to be made at times ..
D : Hardie - . Do you Norm•.•: ( Stantoxt ) have too much trouble . with them
being- , too general ? I !. m. referring; to the flood plain,.?
7v _ N . ' Stanton: - I do what the 'Town Board under McDermott. wanted , I
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pink .: Is that policy ; still the best ? I like fleXiaility, aE
` D .: Hardie - We ran into trouble on the mobile home 'ordinance,; .. Tie -
` { downs were ec `'
I. pop, , Y f p zt' ied and. very :Lew were clone . You were . not inte .r-
< < ,k ; L .� ; e1 .,sted or willing; to get into t �Us as . rxo one had them so how : could
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{ ,IpO. pop. " pop you - enforce - them ?
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N : Stantom- •- It would have been very expensive for the owners to have
tie --dowxis But you can 1' i.nd c2• i iti. cisrn wit ''n that One dial blow
over several years ago . , Slxould specify that new ones going in.
must have , them . I ' d like to _ etson top of skirting- first.., ' add,
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for T " gick - What . is the problem with having rings strict ? Black or Wouldn ' t it be easier for you to treat everyone the same ?
>'N . ` Stanton 95 of the time , yes .
D . Hardie - Take my dump for example , we throw all kinds of things in
pop
lop r^�ere , no one can see it from the road _ - no problem ..
2` Kick. What about that junk j yard on Triphammer ? 'I'Iiat guy can say ,.
" Hardie can do it , . so can I . Shouldn ' t it be all the same ?
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ry ,l I. , ' V . ,Hiller . = There a difference , one you can see , one you cannot ..
At LIT . Kic - ' I don ' t see any . difference in principal .
' N, . _ Stanton . - Not everything should be loose . I won ' t walk across a
tu= ` `: ,:.mall s land , hat I can see `ILL
- rom the road is what I feel is meant.
: to_ . be , in the ordinance , vdhat ': s out of the public view is not my
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= i w S :. ° Cle.v.eland What if a formal complaint' is isOued ?
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' ` Nr. . Stanton Then I ' d have :to do something .
' �' "At;' T .• . What :about fencing in that junk on Triphammer ?
Ati<,' r9 � V . I{lamer That ' s not perrrritted ' in a :, one d area .
$ - , . . 5� on What steps I have talLen on Triphanrner:: ' have . not accommm
At ALL .rALL �a plished a thing .
5 . .:Cleveland Rave the - taxes been
' "AL paid there ? . .
�F` , � = 'A L N �: -Stanton ` . That ! -s no't ; .for rue to know . I sent a letter . about the ..
. ;, k :,: to TZr . Page , a relative o1. the property owner but never re -
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I . ceived a formal answer ..
_ A, and -- He is responsible for cleanin� y up this mess ?
A. itt ,I 'It , 1��. <. Stanton, Yes , probablys
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D Hardie - . .What we need is better backing; for 1- orm ( Stanton ) . 4
" _ `' < A .; t . _.S an on: ' - You ` are talking about in. . lU to 20Clio
0 of the casE.s . The
tires - them would normally be taken care of by standard iletters .
V ,. Miller - I ' d . like to het back to tfris in an orderly fashion . Gas
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` ' ' r � tY , �N ' s a . _ion_ . junk - , permitted , should that be changed ? I ' d like to , ti
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llti� ti� ;request . .that we have screening to control the s ' t .
T : - I don ' t understand on „
page 4 . . . . . . . a garage business
„ $ gasoline- gasoline . . . . . " That last sentence " . . . . a source of
valuable . .It A
.,spare parts . " Does that mean they are allowed to keep
1 " w : cars there ?
Lit L;I. , A. N « ' Stanton - Yes , if you also have �� towing service , sell gas , oil .
`, ', 1 . 4 Miller - There doesn ' t .. seem to be any limit . Do you want it
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changed ?
;, ',, , ; s " ' Ir = H . :Zaey . It ' s ` a good idea . it goes back to pride of the owner . ..
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L .J : Hirvonen: - What about ,
. pride of the Town?
� VMI A .; -. I�liller - ' You need a rule
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„{ N . Stanton . - iow far do . you want to push these peo le ?
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h ,}' '., ;' Z : , _Hirvonen - Until: proven that it is a hardship , I want screening
Y Jib "` { � ` wth trees and shrubs .
sVr . ;:< Miller talk tYiIt
s ": `over with Toro ( Niederkorn ) .
' °" LAIL D . Hardie -- 'Let Its start wi:+ h the first one on Dorm ' "s list . ( All
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` $LLL , ; members . present tarried .. to I, . ;; canton ' s lint of proposed ordinance
:;changes . ) r 1 . This could be a means to et at the Triphammer
situstion . That about' burned- out Douses ?
, `Stanton - I put them under junk yards .
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ALL L L. V . T�iiller - What we are aiming; for is town wide land -u ,: , e management
so that they can i) e put . . in as restrictions .
D . Hardie - I think the first one is good , ' to control dumping ,
anging of the topography .
V Miller - Only under ag' . districts ?
NJ. ;,- S - an- on. - These are oxily references -Uhc t come close to the subject ,
°° ` " . ' should . be in all districts .
r Hwy - III . En orceable `? Logical .
It 4 ,V . Diller 'The Town is � v,ery interested in an indust ial area and it
R, ' ��", ` . . " ' � ., c0uld4 bey located in the hazard zone . The 'University is pushing it
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that .the_ hazard zones are not as hazardous as the area, on the end
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D . - Hardie` - It s a poi, err.tial area for development . Now tIII .y, Ill , " .. , FL ALL encing °Into
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' 'r. . Kick - Let ' s put it; in �icirig required around cornrnercial and
residential swimming pools in ground . It is enforceable . Above
9rbund . pools , the stairs generally fold up .
V ' ' Miller What about farm ponds ?
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r + I, . : H rvonen - Hard to do on that one .
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H . Le - V . Signs -- Si en ordina�lce should be uniform .
' tt. ' ' V . ; N1111er ' I . d . like to see smaller si ns . Also I su{{• __ C est . that. .
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' ,� i . people = who have home . businesses should have very small signs
F ,; attached to their houses and not out in the middle of their lot ..
S . Cleveland We already . have so manyy in non- compliance with that.
the BZA grants variances and that destroys the ordinance .
D . . Hardie I think iae need to get together with the BZA to and"er-
stand what they are trying to do and for them to understand what
we are trying to do .
Nz.> _ Stanton - If the people who want title signs go to a public hearing
they will say that they need ruore exposure . Generall-y� , It believe
^ ; ' that "„ people know where they are going know where the place is ..
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V . : rliller . - I ' 11 - talk_ : .to Tom ( Nieder!t: orn .
T, . , . Kick, - :. What about -#V . ? —..That. size bothers you , Linda . ( Hirvonen) ?
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tiY Y , , ho.: Hirvonen P L : think fifty square > eet . is too large for any . businI.
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or commercial ..
: rS . .Cleveland I would recommend reducing commercial to 25 sq . .. ft ,
T,I What about signs on buildings ? Billboards ?
a V . Miller - No more new billboards ?
Cleveland hi.ot , any more new ones ,
D: Hardie Church sa ns ` not specified now , should be .
N:.. , S,t ant on: .--IP Ill,
I think ?_ y sq . f t . should do it ,
H,. 3,e — VTI . :. , " . . . . . auggest changing to the 13L1� . "
' V . ,1'111l1er Some .. people reel that the BZA is less t
political then . he
Town Board . .
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4 I , ,Stanton,Stanton ` - When . it was done originally , the BZA night have _;been for
r . gotten , . the Town. Board took it over from the Federal ,
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D : . Hardie. I think the. . ;state recommended- to use the Town. Board .
`Stanton'_ � - Any responsible person could take over that function..
.7 1Pit ' �_ PI . L _ don ' t < ' t' eel it a' correct place for an ordinance .
StI. Cleveland - I trunk the t3ZA should take it over . ueSIP - can
i the .Town Board overrule the BZA ?
y V , ..Miller, ' = . Legally , they .: can '.
id.
NSta ton I think the - . Town r� oard would ire glad to hand it over ..
D . Hardie _ Under VIII >:Flood Plain , A . , 390 would be like the top
of a -"_.picnic table with , no habitable floor under it . Norm ( Stanton '
.thinks < it ' s too restrictive .
%, rk L . Hirvonen - Are you saying norm ( Stanton) that these points ; 1 -,' 2
1 . 1. and 3 are , not allowed . at tlsi ;; time in the flood plains ?
Pit
s ?
x Nr N':c Stanton - I think the '-Federal Government would like us to say
�. You don ' t a _ru] i� l"�. �. t i.ri �,r +. c r ise loc �.rlly , too :krrlyd to e.r ;forcc
D . . ,Hardi.e I think you have to ' remember_ where that all of 'started ,
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it was back when ' ! Agnes " came bringing floods , not one cottsge
liege was hurt along the lakes :+ fore . They got dirty and messy ,
. that 18 ' all , It was declared a di la ster area ruid people agiLied '
for the mono and 1. y got it . The govermiient said , ! ! We are:' Zoine to
het out of that business arid get into the insurance bia. sness
' need regulations . " The lake itself: is not destructive , How do we
fte
r s ' : deal with this ?
L . Hirvonen We have to be careful with that
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so that when people
go for f' inancinE; and insurance tyre are not limitingt ,'Llem .,
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N ..; otanton. - Lansing is unique in that I knoir of no other town . that:
has set 'a level on Cayuga Lake based on. " A >nes . " The
at that time w� � 4. g rrZe lake. level
r 3 1 . �3 ' and the Corps of B'n6ineers in Buffalo said
' r that the reoccurence of that storm would be about every 125 years .
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My problem was that people i � ad to build 1 ' over the flood stage .
But. what was it ? We needed to adopt some level , so I took
F"" ` `■ .11I dd' r " Agnes ' ' and used that for our 125 year flood level , added 1 . 2 '
for .- wave:" action: and then with tide 1 ' requirement we et 390 '
;That. could change when they come around . S"' hould we enforce it ?
'I It ', ITiiller. That ' s only for new construction isn ' t it ?
Stanton. . - That ' s : why I . laid out . the three questions , they must be
met — ' .
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r w , : ll . Hardie I think. -the ' �g'0 ' is a food figure , let . . the 3ZA make the
: decisions until . - the Federal Government comes along and surveys it ,
" " :TYie maps are ' not accurate .
N,. St.ant on. : - The r
„ } should i1ave done it by now , but haven ' t •, 17o I
Ir Vrait . for people co come, ,: in or do 1 patrol and look or i�roblems ?
" dr ' Hardie I . think tha;t ' s ' ` up to the Town Board to decide ,
Hi yonen - I think it .; shoiild be said sor_�ewhere . . ) o we interpret.
he zoning ordinances , exactly or a „ e discretionary ?
; r •y powers, .
:Stanton: The d.iscretionaiay part cs '
' 441111er � ` mould be rnac�. e clear .
r ' ll' ask ,. loin. ( Hied erkorn ) about writ in ;' that in .
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N . Stanton: . - The . Federal' ' .insurance people •rant copies of . any. chances
11 we ruake : in . ' the
or.ctixiarice ,
D:"' Hardie - Fines to 'be , purNued '? I don ' t understand that ,
" 1+ $ �� > N : ton I � ' I ' were told b the '1.` OFr11 to y � o out and actively patrol
' . f Or .�'ne :'violations then .would I be backed u b
_ Y the Town Board ?
I want .them to know they .have to do . this .
`D°: -'Hardie 1.- : : You ' might as , well strike it out as far as we are concerne �
r` ,N x, ; , Ze„y . _- IViobile Home Parks # I
All resent . a reed .tha P t , the . mobile, home park owner should be respon-
s � ble for oversees n� jzis park .
D : Hardie t IT .. The present definition, of. a inobi
; been tried before the ` Town ioard and not le park home has . .
agreed upon.; The example
r ; " �� a ' that : we used- . Volbrechts ' on Burdick Hill Road . , One was owned .
i J ,1 ";, fJ tit � by. him , another by Jiis wife and a third bj , `
the nk . b �� ,y a coiporat iOn . . .. . You
y adding related parties " that would solve that ?
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N7: Stanfon If , the Town Attorney would approve of that I asked ." them in � June of 7.6 to tighten it up but -they didn ' t , , .
r`�ti �" 'r� � rn All . 8pr . ent, - a�,r_ e:ed , .t o the. changeI. .
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S, H . Z'e ;> Section III . pen��,lties . ;seems adequate but does ; riot work
F 7 Out tI1 y .
w�J at wa
N . „ Stanton If this one , was upheld , I would call it excellent .
,
V . Miller I ' 11 talk, thin one over with
` ° W1111 2cii.l On .
5Y k `, s , Z Iirv:onen. - I :: tank in essence we all agree_ with
"« , ( St ant o n
5 ' + on Isis :. oneI �
Norm
T' 4yl' 1 4 4M
ui L Hardie' DTI .. in 'junk yards, . Let ' s give the person a definite.
me is m>_t to clean up, ,. a . ,burned out building .
leveland - , ' ixty . days . diould do it , weather t� Er_ n � ittin Cleaned
r ' up t ,rrid e d .
} „ jI �;�k 4 44 V .` 1'� ller ;U�hat .: ;about A ' alien dorm building?
' h . H r.xwonen Tliat ', s ju .7t ,a dif � icult to enforce as a burned out one •
' V Miller
°h h u T;et ' s .try it
#I1I , irre went throu h this one earlier tonight , Let ' s put
„n winI . . screening :by trees and . shrubs , no fences .
Nr. ` ; tanton '* That vas primarily aimed at including body shops !,: if has
stations can . do it , why not 'body shops ?
T , Kick : , �� on ' t you have to define shrubs and trees ?
Cleveland ' At least six , feet in height ,
} IH:e `Le - ' I ' d - leave out trees .
' V . Tiller _ - ' ° I was thinking' of hemlocks , pines the are c
;but can be pruned and . filled in , � aitces a thickyscreeni g,.11e trees
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D , 'Hardie _
# IV . If you -, are too arbitrary tole
} y people trill , o to the
Town �3oa.rd aid raise cane , that s a better zmr�ay -to landle st . The
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qA �J 3 , h� u ` Y • BZA can overrule , zt, :, the will undermine �' Our 'autYior"z �]
aa ^tk•-1„ ,.<, u , ytyrf >e` tw`zF+l4 U;' e '.^f� -.: . " .'. .} ' I�v', y - -�7 ; , r '. ./
q rraa � w rUlt, ` xF .sScratch that one >; out. ,M x
{I sh•, 'aN'# ")aa} a ' xN�,,F'?r1PR v` y. :. l �..': 145 k C IL '�Y l k , t
r {'��!!*ti^} F.- , •p, w•,( � 1' Rs3�y.,-'S Le - �- All, Ordinan.ces.' - .. . 1 . Norm . : � tanton } ' has , }�;o.od reasons for --n
V. e�k >xtr�iit p { i .r yn i t
pu tiny allf � of thEa brdir ances tobe:t lie r
a.„ ifr, ;k `
{� syz " mu 'ax ,N . F4lStanton 3 -' I Y , xwoul`d life lto be . able ' to ;pluck .diem ort irdz11
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y z}g " -°-e igc - 1 1 y dr,.. F :, t A - :;w n, - .y
g <<IalZ11Er Atf° the ottom , , l ne . -the3,, .will': be s.11' ' enforced :,: zn "the ,. wine
f 'r ni,n AT� F t i J.i ` • r r ' t
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; manner .I. ,{ iha;t Fwoula ;► e ` oodi , i , jd:Ll t yo z t �iink .: - , If I
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�F44 < � kq* N s `z ;4D . Hardie r - ale :sur" IIIely a'pPreciat all of ` the work . that Ivorri uy (:; Lanon}
xy41 # -h , fry A - ..
f 5 as put into ,? t'rzz_ � . fit, has been great: help 1 or ` u s . ' Thank you `
,r{ItofromId, all: of l„the ; slerabers `of -this Board . .
cy , , z ; A ,, � k.S . '3 ` Glevelarid One C1na,l3z point , after our . July: l ' th meet"ins; . I :would
a` llke to�aft da j olnt meeting; :with the BZA to provide n' ' o'pen
', diol`o8•ue . as : to wYiat we F ,propose . Aorm (Stan i on ) ' shoulel be' there 'n t
V :If
lller Sid ( Cleveland' } please chair ih�it one .
'Cleveland - I , Iwill . I ,- do not think, that this is the r_ i�ht time ti
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mov,e forward , too rauch . to do yet .
,
�ro ,, ;ir Z',. Iirv:.oneri I have spoken to Peg ( 1wic �lwee ) and = she is interested
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; � 1n ; �vin , us sorize, input C`rom the Town, Board
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" " Vr. 'N� iI `T ( rJ ederkorri ) wrill e a;t the next . rriee:tirl and in ohe
re i
;s rrzeant'i,me . we Brill get ' these things to him with our comments and ou:
ri , ' " , �, minui, es, . l ' you lzave .. any other thoughts that come to your mind ,
"� � � � " ' " ' �° ,please , call rne .. or Bob ' ( �3ri _ s ) . Ui1e t��zin we h ve lei
"t out isthF
a .
`lakeshor.e district and that hould r7e one oi° them . He is anxioUS !
w to •. . suin it up
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Kick I have some second hand information on this , TTorse Chain
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called` a special meetin( last Friday ( 6 / 26 / 81 ) . I was out of
{k1 town: and unable to at' tend .: They called up major co; plaint „ re.-
�. �. c
;�,rdin , the Village and water . `i�hey are desperately in. need . of
wqr4ater . ° Whey had a meeting with r' x� eniik � liuori and Phil Tlunsor
amon r others .
g A decision was made too Uo the Town Board regard-
1 t 1ng ` Zistrict 1 ., 1' riat woLild � e down my way ( .6ean r= ill T,arie ) aid
tYie :• . apartmerzts E.on . ' larrentoac . . 1 ow the Couxity has come . back and
i t they , ' said tliEy I ave some Appalachian fund . 1hey said do : _ n.ot.: call
! l it District #1 qut rather ' own Wide Vaater District even if' . you
= r have to assess everyone in tite `. oun of Lan ; ink a ' penny . '.There. is
4U0 , 0u0 . to be dro :; y� 'ed iizto ot:�r laps .
", ' a `� , 5 . Cleveland - Pre tt� ocle funds still intact? ._
alp `dro
; " ; { � ir;. "�K1Ck Yes . T''hey' are very anxious for us to �. 1 �n it � I' aSt:•.
t , ; I M ,. Possir� ly ' at t zeir Jul; Lath ine: etinLi Have only two rfiont 'ns -time
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V., Miller - 4°That �ibout se�,Ter �; `?
T . ' . i ck - 1Tazren ' t heard aliytliirz about that .
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