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' HT-Date : April 13 , 1981
C/0 / 147.7
Time : 7 : 00 P . M .
.jPre.sent : Chairman V . Miller , R . Briggs , S . Cleveland , D . Hardie ,
L . Hirvonen , T . Kick , H . Ley , L . Montague
I .:: : Minutes from previous meetings
March 11 , 1981 - T . Kick moved to accept the minutes . R . Briggs
seconded , carried unanimously .
March 26, 1981 - ( not to include the Schedule of Land Uses or Activities
T. . Kick moved to accept the minute's . S . Cleveland seconded ,
carried unanimously .
MOTION : . L . Hirvonen moved that a copy of all minutes from meetings
pertaining _rto zoning be sent to T . Niederkorn . T . Kick seconded ,
carried unanimously .
. ' II Treasurer ' s Report
. T . Kick reported that he hadreceived a bill from T . Niederkord in the
amouat of 13270 . 00 for nine hours work . This brings him up to date
- in_ tie amount of $ 735 . 00 '. of an authorized 81 , 000 . 00 for 1980 .
L . Hirvonen moved to approve and pay this bill . R . Bri r
�, �; � seconded ,
' carried unanimously .
MOTION : ' . L . Hirvonen moved to use T . Niederkorn ' s services until such
time as his " work reaches $ 2" ,. 00O . 00 , then reevaluate the budget and
approach the Town Board for additional funds to complete the ' pro -
. ject . T . Kick seconded , carried unanimously .
R . Briggs will check with T ' . Niederkorn re his projected expenses and
;� �, time 'schedule .
- III '. Standing Committees —Appointment and Approval
A .. . , . Professional Planning Committee - R . Briggs , V . Miller - alternate
S . Cleveland moved to accept this as stated . T . Kick seconded ,
carried unanimously .
B . Public Relations Committee. - S . Cleveland , L . Hirvonen - alternate.
T . Kick moved to accept this as stated . L . Montague seconded ,
carried unanimously .
IV . Special: _;Committ'ees
• A . Liaison . with Agriculture - D . Hardie and h . Ley . T . Kick moved
to accept this as stated . 6 . Cleveland seconded , carried
unanimously . .
B, • Subdivisions - L . Montague . S . Cleveland moved to accept this as
stated . T . Kick seconded , carried unanimously .
V . Town and County Committees
A . Lansing Sewer and Water Commission - T . Kick . S . Cleveland moved
to accept this as stated . R . Br_ i1 gs seconded , carried
unanimously .
B . County Planning Board - V . Miller , T . Kick - alternate . S .
Cleveland moved to accept this as stated . L . Montague seconded ,
, carried unanimously .
5 VI . Discussion of Possible Ways to Attain Goals
V . Miller - The Town Board is disturbed over the ordinances and the
difficulty in carrying them out . There are many different ways
each one is handled . I discussed this with Tom ( Niederkorn ) and
. Peg - ( McElwee ) and they would like us to review the ordinances and
tie them together as Ordinances for the Town in which all of these
fall . We couldputin the land use things we want without going
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- Discussion of Possible Ways to Attain Goals - continued .
out and saying that we are going to do a zoning ordinance . If we
could sell this they then would have a public hearing , not just
;II :, for zoning but all encompassing . I think that this could be sold
' . to the Town Board , some towns have handled it in this manner .
Everything we now have is town-wide except for land use . Any
thoughts ?
R .HBriggs - How do we enter into such a program? Who has jurisdic -
- tioninthis , after the ordinances are written ?
V- . : Miller - It goes back to the elected officials .
S .' Cleveland - We are advisors only . .
V. . Miller - Except for subdivisions .
- R . Briggs - Next step then would be to define and set down in writi . :
• a strict job description for the ordinance officer .
L . . Montague - We talked about this two years ago .
V . . Miller - Yes , we tried . One of the first zoning ordinances we:
wrote down about ten years or twelve years ago was all of this
H ' ' business about junk yards and cars and things you couldn ' t have .
It was simply incorporated into it . It seemed to be more . easily,
handled . By doing that we got across all of the things we
_ wanted . Tom ( Niederkorn ) thinks it could be done very nicely
and Peg ( McElwee ) thinks that it would go over very well with
the Town Board . No one would be pointing a finger at them that
. . - they are just doing a zoning ordinance but that they are review-
ing the Town ordinances to put them together .
S . Cleveland - Present it as a package , put the land use ordinance in
as an updated ordinance .
. . . V . Millet: - Right .
S . Cleveland - A key point of this is that we are doing this on behal:
of the Town Board to clarify existing ordinances . Here is the
total package to work with .
R . Briggs - We need legal advice too .
V . Miller - . Peg ( McElwee ) said she would use her "experience on the
Town Board for the last four years to work with us , help us re -
write ordinances and make suggestions .
R . Briggs - I think that the Town Board should appoint someone to
act as a liaison .
V . Miller - She is . essentially the one and would be willing to come
to our meetings if called .
L . . Hirvonen - One point I wish to make regarding ordinances . The
Town adopted the State Flood Plains Ordinance . We did not draw
one up . I have a letter from Norm Stanton about problems with
this .
V . Miller = They would like this to be handled the same way as we do
. everything else . We are talking about the possibility of r.eview-
1 ing all of the ordinances in the Town , make it one package ,
calling it The Town Ordinances which would include the updated
; c land use ordinances along with it . This is something that the
Town Board would very much like to have .
L . Hirvonen - I talked with Tom ( Niederkorn ) about that sign a •few
weeks ago and Tom said that the sign ordinance should only apply
to zoned areas of the Town because it is included in the Land Use
' ' ' Ordinance . We have not been following that since the sign ordin-
tH •. ance was adopted for the Town prior to the land . use ordinance .
a .- Technically we are not functioning properly with that . •
R . Briggs - What does that have to do with the Horvath area ?
V . Miller - I ' m coming to that .
S . Cleveland - What we are trying to do is to review , update , modernis
. all of the existing ordinances in the Town on behalf of the Town.
Board . This will provide them with the necessary tools to give;
guidance to the Zoning Board of Appeals . This will make us more
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Unfinished Business — continued . .
L . Hirvonen - What bothers me is that I see one small strip
• ,_'® • for medium density and the rest of the residential areas
are low density . I think we have to think about popula-
tion growth . We need more area in medium density to
- allow for more growth , to allow for sewers and water
payment , smaller size lots for that sort of thing and the
way this is going now I don ' t see where we would have a
tax base to do it .
' .'r V . Miller - Burdick Hill - We certainly need something
there , garden apartments a possibility .
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S . Cleveland - I just hope that the Town of Lansing doesn ' t
go the way Lancaster County in Pennsylvania did . They '
. . just gobbled some of the best farm land in the United
States by helter-skelter planning . Unplanned housing ,
- industry all took its toll . Agriculture was forced out .
Amish cultures being forced out . A sickening mess of
mismanagement I ' ve ever seen .
H . Ley - Do you equate that area with ours ?
S . Cleveland - It ' s a snowballing effect , started in York
County with too much industry , a four lane highway allowed
this development . Good for jobs but bad for farm land ..
L . Montague - What do you advocate ?
a' ' S . Cleveland - No high density for this Town .
V . Miller - The possible growth in Tompkins County could
come to our area . Our beautiful town and farm land
should not be desecrated .
- H . Ley - How many new people do they expect in the new Morse
Chain plant ?
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D . Hardie - Three hundred .
T . Kick - There will be a good number of people transferred
. from the Aurora Street plant . •
- V . Miller - Threehundredfifty new people I heard . Some
driving in at first , may want to move here eventually .
Since 1965 , the s,4 ,;wyed difference in the Town .
- - Look at the ' `eni. alone . -
L . Montague - What about the projected school closing ?
L . Hirvonen - I think we should consider the growth of
- people and where to put them . -
V . Miller - Am I the only one who thinks that good farm land
should be left for farming ?
D . Hardie - There ' s lots of room between Morse Chain and good
farm land .
L . Montague - Why not change Warren Road to medium density ?
All they have to do is come up the hill with water .
L . Hirvonen - The medium density is only five hundred feet
• on either side of Triphammer Road until it surrounds the
Horvath subdivision and almost goes to Peruville Road .
V . Miller - What has he ( T . Niederkorn ) done with the area
along the east part of East Shore Circle , Vof
Waterwagon?
L . Montague - All low density .
H . Ley, - All the way to the lake .
All L . Hirvonen - There are stipulations on lot sizes in low and
medium density with or without sewers . We designated that
at some pointin time we could . allow smaller lots .
V . Miller - Off tiillcrest beyond Cima ' s , if sewers go up to
- . -. ,� Warren Road that could conceiveably go into smaller. lots .
The group made suggestions for notes to be made on the , map
for T . Niederkorn ' s notice ; a projected commercial area in
South Lansing , a conservation district and the need for
medium density . _ 4 _
. Unfinished Business - continued . •
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B . Possible Time Schedule for Work
. ,® V . Miller - We have to come to agreement on how to present
the plan to the Town Board . Anything that you read on
zoning , - land use , stresses timing is very critical . I
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think that it is important for some of us to meet with
the others to find out what their feelings are . There
is going to have to be a meeting of the minds , give and
' take , something added , something deleted .
We have to go Over the maps . Come to an agreement and
. ' meet with Tom ( Niederkorn ) to pull all of . these things
together . We want support from various neighborhoods
to go in with us to meet with the 'Town Board . We have
to have a joint meeting with them , a general informational
• meeting , give them time to digest it , decide whether
they like it or not . Then they legally have to have two
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or three weeks to post a public hearing and then time
after the hearing to reevaluate it . I think I would
like someone to suggest what the time schedule might be .
S . . Cleveland - I think if we are lucky , the end of September .
. , I am not in favor of going to the Town Board with an un-
finished piece of work , would create misunderstanding .
We must be clear when we present it .
R . Briggs - In terms of delay , what would be the ideal time ?
I . Hirvonen - It was first suggested by June at the earliest .
Must follow due process . Cannot be ready by then . We
cannot proceed as fast as we first thought we could . I
• personally feel that if we decide to proceed by .looking
'IPinto all of the Town ordinances , it should be done . It
. will add to the job .
MOTION. : L . Iiirvonen moved that the Planning Board proceed
. . as quickly as possible in an orderly manner to work out .
the details in reviewing all of the ordinances of the
Town and to work into it the Land Use Controls , then to
present it to the Town Board .
R . Briggs seconded , carried unanimously .
U . Hardie - I think that we should add that no one , absolutely
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no one can come into our meetings . Slows things down, .
V . Miller - I don ' t think that you can do that . You can give
them five or ten minutes time . As a public body we cannot
refuse them at our regular meetings . Work sessions , yes , .
we can say that they cannot attend .
R . Briggs - We could take care of that with an agenda with a
time limit = no walk ins . Have to be on the agenda .
V . Miller - I ' d like to add that we should continue to :• work
with Tom ( Niederkorn ) on land use controls , to tie it in
with ordinances . We can work with the Board through Peg
( McElwee ) on reviewing the ordinances and to see what their
suggestions are and what ours are . We need someone to
volunteer to read the ordinances with me . •
D . Hardie - I think we should talk with Tom ( Niederkorn ) to
set a time schedule , at our next meeting . He might know
better how long it will take .
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V . Miller - He agreed to do this with us .
T . Kick - The ordinances too ?
V . Miller - I would hope so .
T . Kick - That ' s not in his contract . We hired him to look at
a comprehensive plan , not look at the ordinances .
• L . Hirvonen - I thought that we changed to the right , decided
that we would exercise the land use control ordinance .
D . Hardie - I think that he could very easily tell us how
much time we need . - 5 -
Unfinished Business - continued .
. V . Miller - He already said Pall , except it' we wanted to
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have special meetings .
L . Hirvonen - Do you think we could say that by June we could
have completed to our satisfaction the land use ordinance
- and within the next two months the revision of the other
ordinances ?
R . Briggs - I thought that when we set June for our target we
• really began to move , I ' d not like to lose our momentum .
L . Hirvonen - We have to be realistic and say the land use
ordinance by June , now we are adding to that job .
L . Montague - Where did the ordinances come in ? Last I knew ,
. it was land : use only .
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R . Briggs - As one of the ordinances , the zoning issue will
be incorporated into that . That ' s your package .
V . hiller Target date ?
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V . Miller - I . asked for volunteers to reread the ordinances and
make suggestions .
S . Cleveland - I ' ll try to meet with Tom ( Niederkorn ) during the
day on that . . ( T . Kick , L . Montague and R . Briggs will also
meet with them . L . Hirvonen - alternate . ) We will get together
with him before our next meeting and come back with a report ,
to expedite things .
. . . D . Hardie - I ' ll read through them with Herb ( Ley . )
: L . Hirvonen - Bill Bement came over the other day and said that
there was one things that bothered him and that he hoped that
. . ' : . . the Planning Board would consider this when they were drawing
110 up their ordinances . He felt that a time limit should be set
on clearing up burned out buildings .
V . . Miller - He would be of great help to us .
1 . : • - D . Hardie - I laughed at the burned out building thing because
this is what we said to the Town Board and they laughed at us .
There ' s a pile over here and we asked them to do something
about it for years and it ' s still there .
T . Kick - Don ' t forget our junk yard on Triphammer Road is the
. result of a fire .
. L . Hirvonen - I ' d like to volunteer to work with Peg ( McElwee )
on this .
Next Meeting : May 11 , 1981 - 7 : 00 P . M . PLEASE NOTE TIME CHANGE
Adjourned : 9 : 00 P . M .
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VII . Franklin Drive Request
V . Miller - We have definitions on a mobile home or a modular
home which we could ask the Town Board to add or to change
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0 . . in the zoning ordinance or leave it out and go to the possi-
bility of asking for a specific area to be rezoned to add no
mobile homes permitted in the area or ask the Town Board to
change allthe low density areas to not allow mobile homes or
` . ignore it all and wait for something more definite for the
whole town .
, : S:. Cleveland - I asked this board to move ahead specifically
asking that Franklin Drive be contained as part of the overall
package . We are committed to that and we should indicate to
the residents there of this . We should not consider their
- needs specifically .
V . Miller - I feel that there is no need to send them copies of
our meetings . They can come in and read them just like anyone
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else can . I spoke with them tonight prior to our meeting and
told them we were working on their problem .
3:. Cleveland - Let them put pressure on the Town Board .
L . Hirvonen — Should we send an official letter to them to the
effect that what they heard at their last meeting with us stands ?
T. Miller Yes .
MOTION : D . Hardie moved that a memo be sent to Florita Mortlock
to the effect that we are working hard and progressing on their
problem and the overall problems of the Town and what they heard
at their last meeting with us ' stands .
• S . Cleveland seconded , carried unanimously .
: ' VIII . Unfinished Business
. A . Zoning - Permitted ' Uses
V . Miller suggested that the group that will , meet with T .
Niederkorn should read over the Schedule of Land Uses and
Activities and make notes re any changes they feel applicable .
If those in the group have any suggestions they should con-
tact S . Cleveland and talk it over with him . She then showed
the map to the group and pointed out T . Niederkorn ' s sugges -
tions on how to divide the Town .
The question of a lakeshore district came up and the need
for one in the Town was discussed . How to set the boundaries
for such a district was also discussed . The general idea
was to use 1 , 000 feet from the railroad only as a point of
reference for the points east .
V . Miller - How do we control the rural agriculture district ?
It ' s almost criminal to see how it is beim' destroyed by
development .
' D . Hardie - You have to start by zoning the whole town , then
if you run into a problem , start doing something about it .
V . Miller - We need people like those from Armstrong Road to
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fight with us for it .
S . Cleveland - I think each one of us should go over the
schedule again and correlate it to the map .
V . Miller - I went to a sewer meeting at the Village and
listened to them talk about sewers and grants and that it
was to go into Lansing ( Town ) as needed , they expect a
. great deal more of development and industry and that it
was coming north into Lansing ( Town . )
S . Cleveland - Do they expect more of a satellite development
type ?
D . Hardie - We are using projections saying that there. . will
not be a tremenduous growth in Lansing as well as in the
county .
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