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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981-01-26 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING b0 A ' 1 : Date.: January 26 , 1981 ..-74-c--- cigli Time : 7 : 30 P . M . ir'W Present : Chairman Dave Hardie , R . Briggs , L . Hirvonen , L. Montague Absent : S . Cleveland , T . Kick , H . Ley , V . Miller I . T . Neiderkorn Report. R . Briggs - Good report . He. condensed our previous work and made it more readable . :.. ` D . : Hardie - No fault with the wording . I thought it was excellent . We took out the part that required the subdividers to provide land for a park because they didn ' t want to give the land and Ythe Town didn ' t want to maintain any more parks . L . .' Hirvonen - Yes , we took it out but Tom ( Neiderkorn ) doesn ' t know that . - 8 . ',-- Brigs - We had to be practical about that . et It was decided by the members present that the Development Policy would not be discussed at this meeting' rather zcirc S g put aside: for further study . as j'sl �� . II . - Land ' Use Control Ordinance syk � g44 D . . Hardie pointed out on the map an area on Triphammer Road ` which T . Neiderkorn thought should be called medium or low ' ;density because of the three developments located there . . He suggested making it more restrictive - no mobile homes . ' : 8a , Briggs .. I don ' t think he decided what it should be called . w,c. He said we should take a zone out of there and outline it somehow and put some more restrictive things in . ArD .:; Hardie - Let's start with that area . We know very well that ; people moved there for a residential area . L . . Montague, - Isn ' t that an area of agricultural development ? D . Hardie - Yes . You can do that . All low density . there . D . '"Hardie suggested that the members present turn to theircopies of : the Land Use Control Ordinance , pages 12 -15 to see ifthat is what in" fact they feel should be in various zones `. This ' would r `cover Section 601 , Activities and Districts . The members noted ,the following changes in their lists : 1 601 . 1 Crop farming . R ? , r 601 ..2 Commercialgardening , plant nurseries and greenhouses . R L M 601 . 6 Keeping of customary household pets . R L M H C I 601 . 7 Keeping of horses and ponies . R L* M* 601 . 8 . : Kennels and facilities for the commercial boarding of T, . . . animals . . . R 601 . 10 Accessory farm buildings and roadside stands . ? R L M Mobile . homes .. R % ( new category - ask T . Neiderkorn ) Modular homes. R L ( new category - ask T . Neiderkorn ) 601 . 15 Cluster housing . ? R* L* M* H * C * ' 601 . 18 Home occupations . ? R L* M* H * C * 601 . 19 Governmental buildings , fire stations and schools . R M H C * I 601 . 31 . Cabin or cottage for seasonal use . . R L? M ( # 1 ) .6.01 . 32 Travel trailer , snowmobile , boats and similar large vehicles requiring seasonal storage . R L M H C ( ## 2 ) ask T . Neiderkorn 601 . 33 Marine and water oriented sales , service and storage. . ® ( Specific structure ) 6.01 . 34 Office or studio . ( define ) . 601 . 47 TV and radio transmission towers . ( Commercial ) R* ( # 3 ) 601 . 54 Special design developments such as planned development areas . ( see definitions ) R* L* M* H * C * I * D . Hardie - Do. you find any problems with crop farming? Crop - farming is plowing the land , large machinery , herbicides , noise , - 11W. - Land Use Control Ordinance - continued . pesticides R . Briggs - Manure . D . Hardie - Bob , you have a good point , those people do not care - for manure spreading . L . . Hirvonen - When we went over this before it was with the idea that the southern portion might be coming back to the Town . We were trying to conform to the Village - crop farming was allowed in their low density areas . L . Montague - Then you ' re nit -picking the restrictions . Do you want a further restricted area within a restricted area ? L . Hirvonen - We want to tighten up what we have . That ' s the • reason for the review . D . Hardie - That ' s . right . Let ' s see what people want and what makes sense in terms of the future . R . Briggs - We were going to let them ( Franklin-Maple people ) know what we wanted them to do , to set up geographical bounds for them to work in . Have them outline things they want to add . . L . Hirvonen - I thought Tom ( Neiderkorn ) said we couldn ' t . further . restrict an area already zoned . It has to be by the area , it can ' t be a zone within a zone . L . Montague - That ' s ' what I read . R . Briggs - This is what he ( T . Neiderkorn ) told me . This is what is in my - report . Hesaid we could create a more restric - tive zone within an already zoned area . This is done by taking an area out and developing it as a new zone . L . Hirvonen - Then it ' s a new zone in the ordinance . It has to be taken out of its original designation , has to be totally changed . Can ' t be more restrictive . I think he contradicted some of the things he said to you ( R . Briggs ) as he had just spoken . to Albany . I noticed some of the things he said the other night were differentthen what he put in your report . D . Hardie - I got the feeling that when he was here the last time that he wanted to know if it was just the little chunk on Franklin Drive that wants this or does it make sense to take in a larger area ? L . Hirvonen - I think what he said was what you do for one low density area in the Town you will have to do for all of the Others . What you do for those people will also have to apply to all of the other low density zoned areas . R .' Briggs - You think we don ' t stand a chance to get it through? L . Hirvonen - Don ' t you think we have one specific problem to deal with and that is the definition of a mobile vs . a modular , Which will be eventually applied to the different density areas ? We do know that this is one thing we have to do . D . Hardie - No difficulty with that . You can define a mobile home vs . a modular home . L . Hirvonen - We must do it to tighten up the ordinance . We have. to include in our zoning ordinance more of it as people are con- cerned . Should they not be allowed in some zones ? Now they are permitted everywhere . R . Briggs - Can ' t change what ' s there . ® L . Hirvonen - If we were hypothetically , going to zone the Town , would we make the central part of South Lansing a commercial area? Is it commercial or low density ? R . Briggs - Definitely getting commercial . L . Hirvonen - Will it continue to grow commercially or will there be residential development ? - 2 - rm f' Land Use Control Ordinance - continued . L . Montague - What about that retirement home ? D . Hardie - Forty families will be living there . R . Briggs - Possibly doctors ' offices , dentists , professional services as well . D . Hardie - We don ' t have to change too many things - mobile vs . modular , cluster housing , home occupations , cabins and out - door storage . No great problems with the whole thing . R . Briggs - Until the public gets a hold of it . D . Hardie ` - Well they ' re living in those conditions right now . The only really different thing is the mobile home . R . Briggs - We need better definitions of some of these things . D . Hardie - The big one I think , is the storing of seasonal vehicles and we might end up tossing that one out rather then. jeopardizing the whole thing . R . Briggs - What if this storage thing really gets abused ? . Some guy stores items for his friends in his driveway , backyard . If we said no restrictions - he could cover his land with these . things . D . Hardie - The thing is to keep a nice residential appearance . . Covered storage is okay . We might say after a certain date that people who buy there will know that they have to have covered storage or not keep it there . R . Briggs - So many people have these things . Somehow we have to get around the abuse of storing them . # 1 It was the general consensus that lake front property should be treated differently . # 2 This is not allowed in some areas by deed restrictions , such. 110 as in Alex Cima ' s development . • # 3 . Tightening of rules with regard to private transmission ie ham operators . , Possibly an additional one in • the ordinance . III . Franklin Drive -Maple Drive R . Briggs - They should be involved in everything we do . We need input from them . They should make up their own geographical . boundaries . L . - Montague - For the whole area? R . Briggs - Tom ( Neiderkorn ) suggested that . L . _ Montague - What about the people on the west side of Triphammer? R . : Briggs - Some of those people are opposed to zoning . L . Montague - Have them canvas the area , find out what people want . D . Hardie - Qur "whole group has not gotten together to make a motion . I can see where they should feel a part of it . R . Briggs - It will be easier for , us at the end - after all it is their land , their homes , their area that we are talking about . D . Hardie - We think all of the developments are interested in the same thing . I ' ll call them , ask them to find people in the rest of the areas to work on a Citizen ' s Committee . Ask them to come to one of our next meetings . Next Meeting : February 9 , 1981 - T . Neiderkorn will be present . Meeting adjourned at 9 : 00 Y . M . III cem • - 3 -