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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980-11-24 rIrmlimir 4' X •l TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD 2/ 7/f0 Date November 24 , 1980 Time : 7T:; 30 P . M . resent : ; Chairman Dave Hardie , B . Briggs , L . Hirvonen , T . Kick , H . Ley , V . Miller , L . Montague Absent . ; S . Cleveland I . .Minutes from previous meetings O ctober 13 , 1980 - T . Kick moved to accept the minutes , H . Ley seconded , carried unanimously . N ovember 3 , 1980 - Correction - page 1 , under II , " V . Miller questioned the necessity of a subdivision permit the Planning Board gave to B org - Warner which is being questioned also by the town lawyer , Mr . W illiamson . Correction - page 1 , under III , #3 , " A secondary source of water may be pumped from a deep pond nearby and piped to add water to present system . ' Deletion - page 1 , under IV „ entire section . H . Ley moved to accept the minutes with their corrections , B . Briggs seconded , carried unanimously . November 10 , 1980 - Held until next meeting . II . Armstrong Road Maple Drive . Linda Hirvonen read the letter she wrote to the Lansing . Town Board re mobilehomes in the area , members of the Planning Board wished to be advised of support from the Town Board re further zoning in the town , at least where requested . D a Hardie . - Do we wait for the Town Board to do something about this ? 41110 V . Miller - They won ' t do anything without a recommendation from us . L . Hirvonen - We are asking if the Town Board would like us to look at the zoning ordinance again , not in relation to this particular problem but to future issues . ✓ . Miller - she had attended the recent Town Board meeting , not as a member of the Planning Board but with her own personal views . Anti - zoners were present , she felt they misquoted D . Hardie and she corrected that . They ( anti - zoners ) felt we were '. working with the others as theyhad remained at the last Planning Board meeting . The Town Boardnow understands that you cannot have a referendum on zoning . Maybe weishould go into the neighborhoods and ask what they want . If you don ' t want mobile homes , say so . D . Hardie - at the dinner meeting ( on 11/ 19 / 80 ) one thing was discussed . If we impose .what the Franklin Drive people want across Armstrong Road , then it doesn ' t take too many of those people in a vote to turn the whole proposition down . L . Hirvonen - 20% ( extroardinary majority ) of landowners in the area can pressure the Town Board to vote . D . Hardie - I felt for townwide zoning on a very unrestricted basis , the town has . changed enough for us to do this . L . Hirvonem - I questioned • Gary Evans ( at the dinner meeting ) about the Comprehensive Plan and he told me that ordinarily a Comprehensive Plan precedes a zoning ordinance . He said there is some law on the books that says you .' should have a Comprehensive Plan as it shows • good planning , but if you have gone so far as to put together a zoning ordinance it shows that you have put a lot of effort .:into it . AllIt can go both ways . V . Miller - We do have a comprehensive plan we are reviewing . D . Hardie - How can we get this thing started ? The Bush -Franklin Drive is under motion . 9 -' Armstrong -Maple Drive : - contined . L . Hirvonen - How can we help the neighborhoods ? Should we give ' :. them a set of guide lines ? D . Hardie - I would suggest a committee - a small group - Bob ( Briggs ) 110 would you do it ? B . Briggs - Yes , I 'tll talk to Lorraine Johnson about it . Some guide lines re zoning , what : ..they are to © king for , what to expect . ✓ . Miller - Perhaps sit down with Tom Neiderkorn for a brief set of thingsto be considered . B . .Briggs ' :will meet with Tom Neiderkorn . III . Finkledey Extension D . Hardie - If we grant him an extension , should we say this is :the last one ? L . Hirvonen - We might makeit perfectly plain that ' : this ' as thee last one . T . Kick - This has been going on for a long time , granting an extension . H . Ley Look at the area , lacking in water , road not so good . I think we shouldtgive him an extension , no alternative . L . Montague - Can we tell him that by the first of June that the road is to be completed and that we must have the final plat plan in here ? ✓ . Miller - I ' m sorry that our lawyer didn ' t read this to us - he should never have been permitted to sell any lots without the final ( plat plan ) approved . Maybe that ' s what we should point out to him - if he is being allowed to sell lots in order to finish up , that this must not be permitted in the future . Must be the last extension . MOTION : V . Miller made the motion that Mr . Finkledey should havek :the road completed by the first of June and that he has been allowed to sell lots which he ordinarily would not have been , because of 4411 extenuating circumstances , and that an explanation would be greatly appreciated , by him . S econded by L . Hirvonen , carried unanimously . IV . . Jay O ' Rear Subdivision D . Hardie - Mr . O ' Rear brought in a 1 " plastic line from the line by the road . It is adequate in volume of water but the pressure is not , no pressure tank nearby . Peg McElwee feels that a good solution would be to get the Town Engineer , orany engineer , to design a water system for the subdivision . H . Ley - Why not a pressure tank and a shallow water pump in the basement ? L . Hirvonen - Is the water “supply from Bolton ? D . Hardie - Yes . B . Briggs - I think it is a great idea for him ( Mr . O ' Rear ) to get an engineer and figure it out . . T . Kick - What does this have to do with the Planning Board ? D . Hardie - Because it is a subdivision . Do we suggest to Jay ( O ' Rear ) that he get an engineer ? MOTION : V . Miller made the motion that Mr . O ' Rear get an engineer to design finis water system . Seconded by H . Ley , carried unanimously . L . Hirvonen will send a letter to Mr . O ' Rear to that effect . •V . Morse Chain update D . Hardie - The only thing that I know of that is a bit of a problem 41/ is that the buffer zoneis getting too close to the residential zone . V . Miller - The buffer zone is the residential , can ' t put any buildings in there . Morse Chain update - continued . D . Hardie - Can it be that it was made that way because you can go fifty feet into the next zone ? ✓ . Miller - Yes , by not putting any buildings in it they are not 4110 violating the zone . They are going to put a drive through there . They have been told repeatedly that if they are going to do any - thing they will have to come to the Town Board for rezoning or variances . D . Hardie - The Village allowed them to put in the pond so the system is gc . • VI . Developers Visits D . Hardie - What ' s our thinking on their coming in ? T . Kick - It seems to me that we have two or three major projects on our list . I can ' t think it is as important as the Comprehensive P lan . Let ' s put it to Led and not: think about it anymore . D . Hardie - We have discussed it and put it aside . B . Briggs - Let ' s table it for some time when we have more time . MOTION : V . Miller made the motion to table the developers ' _visits for n ow . S econded by L . Hirvonen , carried unanimously . VII . Malone Mess on Triphammer Road D . Hardie - Norm Stanton was to write a letter to Ken Malone and Phil Munson was to sign it . Alex Cimaowns some of the land acr © mg -.the ✓ oad from it but he doesn ' t want to develop it until something g ets taken care of . I brought this to Peg ' s ( ItcElwee ) attention , also that the next door neighbors are beginning to dump on it too . Any comments or thoughts ? ✓ . Miller - I understand that the problem is that Ken Malone who owns 41110 the property lives in LasVeges and probably has very little money to do anything about it . How legally can be . be forced to do some - thing ? I. read in the want ads that old cars will be bought , some - o ne should call on this , or someone should get the town to do ii_ . Li_ ( '. .i.:. CI, . . can come I ! ) anti bei vt i .) a, ._ ' r .r , i:; � , . � le . sk him ( Ken Malone ) for permission to do it , written permission , if this is w hat we want done , or the Town wants done . It ' s just a legal stalemate . H . Ley - If he doesn ' t know about this , make him aware of it , let him know of our ideas . You just can ' t go in there and grab it . L . Montague - I thought a letter had been sent to him . D . Hardie - The last time I talked to Norm Stanton about this , he had n ot done it . Maybe best thing , not done - a pleasant letter might g et more results then a legal one . T . Kick - I thought that when we first started to discuss : : this . that Norm S tanton contacted the family and they said something would be done that summer . L . Montague - I agree with Tom . D . Hardie - I made a report to the Town, Hoard about the Malone property . ✓ iola , you suggest that he has no money to work on . ✓ . Miller - I wouldn ' t think so . T . Kick - It ' s an illegal dump . D . Hardie - Suggested that Tom Kick work with Phil Munson and go down and take a count of the vehicles .there . Tom agreed to do so . III . . Letter of Appreciation to Connie Mabry • D . Hardie - Suggested that a letter be sent to Connie for her past work . MOTION : D . Hardie made the motion that the secretary write a letter o f thanks to Connie Mabry for doing a good job . Seconded by L . Montague , carried unanimously . e-- 3 -- IX . Report on BZA Actions - Signs and Buildings 1 . The Munson sign requested for Route 34 was conditionally approved . 2 . The rotating sign ( Bucky ' s Garage ) on Route 34 -B was denied . 3 . The Kawasaki sign off premises , was not approved . 4 . The Frank Horvath , Jr . building on 3068 North Triphammer Road to be used as an auto repair shop was conditionally denied . 5 . The Kawasaki place of business on Lansingville Road - he has two lights on his sign , looks like headlights , very dangerous . B . Briggs - I ' ve seen situations like this , looks like a car coming at you . D . Hardie - I suggest that if anyone here sees Norm Stanton or anyone on the Town Board to tell them about it , very dangerous . This has not been brought to the BZA . L . Hirvonen - One of the things that the BZA investigated was the little blue - . signs downtown indicating different businesses , rather then all kinds of big signs . May be placed on state highways - provided by state . X . Other Business 1 . A building permit for 9 Triphammer Terrace , a house there , and a single family dwelling on 39 Horvath Drive . 2 . Letter duly received from the County Board of Health re O ' Rear Subdivision with reference to individual sewage permits . 3 . Bill from Credit Bureau of Ithaca for 1980 . T . Kick will check on this . L . Montague said we weren ' t getting that much use out of it . MOTION : L . Hirvonen made a motion that the bill for the Public Record be paid . Seconded by V . Miller , carried unanimously . D . Hardie directedthe secretary to send a letter cancelling the service . 4 . Water Commission Report . Tom Kick gave a brief talk outlining the areas covered by the plan and the preliminary cost figures for municipal water . L . Hirvonen - Is there any other option - talk of a plant in Meyers to feed the Lakeview area ? T . Kick - One option is to build a plant , haven ' t talkedeabout the cost . ✓ . Miller - Questioned what happens to ' our ' water with the addition of subdivisions , plants , BOCES , etc . T . Kick - One other option that they mentioned wasr_that somewhere up there ( Lakeview area ) is a running well . L . Montague - Stub Moyer ' s place had such a well . B . Briggs - It ' s no longer good - too much pressure on the vein did it . D . Hardie - The thing that bothers me is ' 2one ' 2 . I don ' t know if you are aware of it but there is a well and as you go to the Town Park there is a grey building which houses the pump . This feeds all of the school property , Meyers Road . Why we can ' t sink a pipe into the ground , all gravel in there , I don ' t know . The thing that prevents taking more water from that is . the size of the main , there is no stand : _ pipe . L . Montague - Does it come from the lake ? D . Hardie - Yes . • L . Hirvonen - A second well has been drilled , eight or nine years • ago . Has not been used . D . Hardie - Most of Zone 2 is in trouble , Lakeview Drive and Finkiedey ' s . Why not go down into the lake and do something simple ? T . Kick - You are going to run into the same thing , a need for a c . _ 1,4* +^.po X . Other Business - continued . big pump , storage tanks , hydrants , pressure D . Hardie suggested that Tom Kick keep the Planning Board informed . Ili, Next Meeting - December 8 , 1980 . Briggs willget in touch with Tom Neiderkorn to see if he has anything erMYTler brought up the timing for the nominating committee . D . Hardie reiterated that he is wide open for suggestions on future meetings . Meeting closed at 9 : 30 P . M . 4111, • • r .---