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Home My WebLink About1979-02-22 TO7Y OF LAN C' IN G PLA 7I G BOARD - • V I1:LA OE OF LANSING PLA7N ING BOARD . . JOLT MEETING AGENDA DATA a January 22D 1979 TIME : 7 : 30 poi Introductions TL D ° scuasior_ of =rmon p_ cble > > a A Zo � < : on side c T " 7n / 17 ? lige lire . e B . 4 Tr -1 !? ,' j3me , ' r traffic %'�'° nge �ce exte 1_ C) si �1 � 't'T/ alternate suggestion ) 00 TripnRmt er rAfy�� is probl mJ 110 TO' .'iti PLANNING BOARD Ta New Business Appointment of nominating committee : Y • 979 of facer :, P , 1979 standing committees Tim Old Bus ie ,s• s Letters of txplsc1nt1Yent to ne7 members Letter to Town Board 4. encumbrance of funds ., 1 TOWN OF LANSING PLANNING BOARD JOINT MEETING TOWN PLANNING BOARD VILLAGE PLANNING BOARD DATE : January 22 , 1979 TIME : 7 : 30 P . M . PRESENT : TOWN PLANNING BOARD : D . Hardie , V . Miller , H . Cogan , L . Montague , T . Kick VILLAGE PLANNING BOARD : Valerie Jyrisco , Ward Bauder , George Rolleston , Derwood Burns ALSO : Gary Evans , Planning Depart . Barbara. Irish , Village Ordinance Officer I . Introduction of both boards and welcome by Mr . Hardie II . Common Problems A . Zoning & Development ✓ . Miller ( T ) - If our zoning is similar along our common borders , wouldn ' t that settle the worry of leap frog development ? B . Irish ( V ) - There are quite a few differences between the two zoning o rdinances . For example lot size and the types of things allowed in the different density areas . Refer to Table 6 o f the Village Zoning Ordinance . W . Bauder ( V ) - Two basic differences between the Town & Village are : • 1 ) traffic is generated in the Village 2 ) incompatible zoning ordinances which could encourage leap- frog development on Triphammer Rd . and Lake Shore Dr . G . Evans ( CPD ) - One of the main concerns of the CPD is the pattern of intensity of development . ✓ . Miller ( T ) - At the time the Town regulations were written ( ' 71 - ' 73 ) there was the possibility of sewerage which would allow for smaller lots . G . Evans ( CPD ) - The Village has a list of criteriafor special permits ( see Table 6 ) , . Look carefully at the influence you can assert with special permits . B . Irish ( V ) - The Village allows more types of farming with special permits than does the Town . D . Burns ( V ) - Will you ( the Town ) be looking at the airport hazard area in your review ? Does that conflict with medium density ? ✓ . Miller ( T ) - No . Not at this time . B . Warren and Benson Rds . vs . Triphammer Rd . development Mr . Hardie presented to the Village an alternate suggestion to traffic problems in this area ; that of a corridor road running parallel to Triphammer Rd . ( see minutes Nov . &Dec . ' 78 ) W . Bauder ( V ) - This plan is based on the assumption that most of the traffic is through traffic , but is it ? ✓ . Jyrisco ( V ) - Why would this be better than improving Warren Rd . ? ( 1 ) ✓ . Miller ( T ) - Warren & Benson Rds . are definitely residential areas and we can assume that they will remain that way . We ' re objecting to the idea that we ' re discussing doing to the • residents of Warren and Benson what has already been done to the residents of Triphammer ( I . E . traffic and development ) - the very things that caused a Village to be born . In addition , we have the fact that the airport runway has to be enlarged . It ' s difficult to see how taking a residential area and throwing more traffic into it is going to solve the problem . W . Bauder ( V ) - We have to assume that the thru traffic is the problem . ✓ . Miller ( T ) - People living North of Triphammer are the ones we feel will use the corridor road . G . Evans ( CPD ) - Origin and destination of traffic are the questions now . D . Burns ( V ) - Seems like a by - pass around Pyramid Mall would be good regardless of whether the corridor is extended . D . Hardie ( T ) - Could the CPD and the County Highway Depart . set up mechanical counters ? ✓ . Miller ( T ) - It ' s very expensive to get counts . A fairly accurate method is to use volunteers to count cars and note the direction they ' re traveling . G . Evans ( CPD ) - There are some traffic counts available with direction traveling , etc . T . Kick ( T ) - If they were done before Pyramid they may not be relevant now . • D . Burns ( V ) - Could we get students to update this data ? G . Rolleston ( V ) - There has been such rapid change since Pyramid that we would want data verification . D . Hardie ( T ) - Do you think we could get the cooperation of the people who use Triphammer ? ( to use a different road ) T . Kick ( T ) - You have to teach people where you want them to go . W . Bauder ( V ) - Are back- door entrances to the malls a good idea ? or should they be avoided because they put traffic into other residential areas ? D . Burns ( V ) - Could the 2 boards get together on the problems and work with the County Planning Depart . ? We should be looking at the whole area rather than just the area within our respective boundaries . W . Bauder ( V ) - Triphammer ( residents ) has already been made to pay , why make Warren Rd . ( residents ) pay again ? ✓ . Jyrisco ( V ) - Since Warren Rd . is non - residential in the area where it meets Rte . 13 , would it help to improve the intersection rather than construct a whole new road ? ✓ . Miller ( T ) - That project is already in the works . G . Evans ( CPD ) - Warren Rd . is slated for improvement up to Morse Chain . H . Cogan ( T ) - Would the State help correct the Triphammer traffic • problems if they took over ? ( 2 ) G . Rolleston ( V ) - It would not be a high priority for the State . V . Jyrisco ( V ) - Widening Triphammer wouldn ' t solve many problems . Turning , cross traffic and curb cuts are real problems . IIIW . Bauder ( V ) - Frontage roads would have been ideal . It ' s unfortunate they can ' t be done now . D . Burns ( V ) - A priority should be proper " signing " on Triphammer Rd . Jd . Jyrisco ( V ) - Where do we go from here ? G . Evans ( CPD ) - I can convey your concerns to Frank Liguori ( CPD ) and ask him for suggestions as to what you should do . Since Warren Rd . doesn ' t seem to be a favorable answer , you could be looking at other alignments . Soil conditions will partly dictate whatever solution you decide upon . H . Cogan ( T ) - If cars going South and West could exit Pyramid Mall at it ' s West corner , it would certainly alleviate traffic . W . Bauder ( V ) - I ' m happy to hear that you ( Town ) are proposing zoning changes . Could the Village be kept posted as to the developments and vice versa ? H . Cogan ( T ) - Could we exchange minutes ? ✓ . Jyrisco ( V ) - Unfortunately , the Village Planning Board gets more caught up with permits than planning . ✓ . Miller ( T ) - Perhaps we could have an exchange when something is pertinent . D . Burns ( V ) - The traffic is definitely a common ground for both boards to work together on . • V . Jyrisco ( V ) - Extended thanks on behalf of her board . III . Election of Officers A . Mrs . Miller pointed out that standing committees are appointed by the chairman and ratified by the Board . B . Mr . Hardie would like all committees to report at the beginning of each meeting . C . Mr . Hardie asked Mrs . Miller and Mr . Bement to be the nominating committee . Mrs . Miller accepted on behalf of herself and Mr . Bement , who was absent . IV . Letters of appointment A . Letters from the Town Board have been sent to all new members . B . Mr . Cogan was appointed to another full term at the last Town Board meeting . ✓ . Comments and Discussion pertaining to zoning and the meeting with the Village Planning Board . ✓ . Miller - 1 . The , area off East Shore Dr . can ' t be totally residential . There should be an area for commercial . 2 . We must require larger lot sizes in keeping with the Health' . Depart . 3 . Wherever there is a possibility of water and sewage we should consider smaller lots to help pay for the service ( the health hazard is also minimized ) . ( 3 ) Mrs . Miller continued 4 . Consider that if you have water , can there be sewage . 4115 . When working on zoning , watch where you may want to put roads , intersections and set - backs throughout the Town . 6 . Anything commercial or industrial must have a special permit from the PB . This is not to say that it would be refused , only that it is a requirement . 7 . A hard look should be taken at the areaaround the airport . We have a large residential area there with a lot of acreage involved . There is little possibility of more residential around the periphery of the airport . Consider light industrial with adequate buffer zones north and south of the zones . The area North of the airport is zoned residential and Ws doubtfulhif there will be many prople moving into that area . H . Cogan - A self - contained septic system would effect lot size . ✓ . Miller - I asked the County Planning Board about these systems . They are aware of them but haven ' t reviewed them recently and feel they might be prohibitively expensive . H . Cogan - Lot size could be contingent upon a self - contained septic system in ar &as away from high density zones - the North end of Town or where there ' s little possibility of sewerage . We should make some provision for the technology we know is coming . D/Hardie - In terms of planning would it be possible for both the Town and Village Planning Boards to meet together ? ✓ . Miller - Basically , the boards are planning for 2 different areas - urban and rural . • H . Cogan - I don ' t think they ' d be willing even if we were . ✓ . Miller - The Village is the only apartment village in the state of N . Y . There are few property owners percentage wise . ✓ I . County Planning Board Since Mrs . Miller will be away periodically for awhile , it was suggested that an alternate representative be appointed . Adjourned : 10 : 00 P . M . • ( 4 )