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Q,1' l o a ( 1 _. —�. .� �..._- .>��r__ ..Y- —_ --- - -- _-,..-.� 11 Oc 5t' 02 tiCh6e P ` ^ L3 7 11 C C:?AC 1072ira C-)1 Lriz a t g o in, v PA aa r, 4 d I E: , U r 4R 1 1191 mil k o O G h ir r1 • 1 • 1+t . ' p REGULAR MEETING Lansing Planning Board--April 8 , 1974 PRESENT : Mrs . Viola Miller , Chairman ; Messrs Roscoe , Hardie Edmondson and Baughman.. Also Lola Winter Zoning Officer Norm Stanton was also present . Meeting called to order at 7 : 35PM by Mrs . Miller . • Minutes of previous meetings of March !i , 11 , 20 and 25 were passed to members of the Board . Action deferred . Report of Committees : • Sewer : nothing • Norm Stanton reported that four signs were removed last month . Also driveway of "Aged P" Tavern narrowed . • Report of Representative to County Planning Board , Mr . Edmondson . Need to have a special agenda for all the committee reports . UPS Plans were presented by Mr . Goldberg rho represented Bishops of Ithaca. Questions regarC.ing landscaping , drainage , and parking were put forth by the Board . All seemed to be answered satisfactorily. Plans were left with Planning Board_ for further study. • New New member to Board , Dave Hardie was introduced . To fill unexpired term BOARD of Paul Barron , who resigns for personal reasons . MEMBER • Mr . Robert Williamson presented plans for Security Mutual Insurance Company , ; ECLITy who proposes to build a new home office building . Building permit has been tITmL'AL submitted to Mr . Stanton , including request for sign on side of building . They desire to build on a parcelofland north of Cayuga Motors ( corner of North Triphammer and Tripland Terrace ) Sales Corporation , depending on the approval of Planning Board . Site and building has been planned by Mr . Tallman and provides for future expansion . Parking questioned . Questions from Board : Mr . Edmondson : Set back from Triphammer 82 feet . Should be more as Triphammer someday will be widened . • Mr . Roscoe queried about entrance off Triphammer Mrs . Miller : We are trying to keep as many entrances off Triphammer as possible . • Mr . Stanton : Size of sign might be problem i: . Tallman , who was interpreting the drawings : we consider this building as commercial office building ( financial institution) with non— illuminated , dignified signs • -2- • • • Questions from audience : Mrs . Smidt : that is life expectancy of septic field ? Answer : Life Question : How do your plans affect joining of public sewer ? Answer : Very happy to hook up whenever possible . Mr . Showacre : What do you mean by tentative improvements ? Do you anticipate problems ? Answer : No , I do not . Plans were left with Board fcr review . Mr . Edmondson congratulated Security Mutual for good set of drawings . Mrs . Miller : "You will be hearing, from us as soon as possible . " PYRAMID )EVELOPMANT Introduced by Mrs . Miller . " Master Plan started eight years ago under Harris Dates , Town Supervisor . The Master Plan is a set of guidelines whidh should be reviewed every five years . It ' s a set of guidelines for the town . I would have to point out that in the formulation of present ' zoning ordnance based on Master Plan the area naw in question was one that was never questioned as to being other than a commercial area .' More traffic does not cause value of teal estate to go down . "ode have gone over this as carefully as we can in many special meetings since the original presentation by Pyramid on March 11 and have considered all questions raised at that meeting . " The question at/waiting until village was formed was discussed by Mrs . Miller . "We have no way of knowing when the village will be formed or who the trustees of the village will be nor what their actions might be . " ETITION Mrs . Robert Flynn presented a petition to the Planning Board with 818 EAD signatures who desire the Pyramid Shopping Plaza . • ISCUSSION Mrs . Miller said there will be further study of traffic . However , as ROM far as traffic is concerned Pyramid will be working with County on traffic . OARD County Planning Board has been contacted and has studied plans and given verbal approval . Letters from Pyramid regarding traffic were read by Mrs . Miller . Also from Me . Sharpsteen , Lansing Highway Superintendent , approving Pyramid driveway onto Oakcrest Road . Also have letters of intent from Pyramid answering all questions raised by Planning Board concerning Pyramid ?Mall. • Mr . Roscoe : made comments on entranceway to medical office Mrs . Miller : Said that the Planning Board can recommend approval of Pyramid Project to Town Board who must tale final action . Mr . Roscoe questioned roads . What relationship between county planning and tang planning with regard to roads'. r , • -3 - rirs . Miller answer : North Triphammer is a county road . . 411 • Mr , Sharpsteen : Yes . That is right ; county has complete control , BOARD Another letter answering Questions raised regarding drainage and )ISCTJSSIO"erosion controls was read by Mrs . Miller . This letter was from cont ' d Mr . Craig , Project Engineer of Pyramid . • Air pollution has been checked . Found acceptable to DEC . A question of sewer for the Pyramid gas raised : the Pyramid will contact County Sewer Agency, not Cayuga Heights , for permission for sewer hook up when ready. Pyramid will build private sewer if necessary and plans for same now being reviewed by State and County . Mr . Roscoe raised the question of traffic caused from the Pyramid . Mrs . Miller responded : DOT says overpass will care for extra traffic . Will be completed ahead of Pyramid , not to be finished until spring 1976 . • Mr . Edmondson : Pyramid made traffic count in March 1971 . Traffic problems of 20 years discussed and reviewed . Ordinance-permit development of land in orderly way . Has been carried. out . Site planning , landscaping , parking , roads , etc as required by ordinance --all Oilt acceptable . • POINTS PELADE FROM FLOOR • Mrs . Bent : a ) Traffic will be super problem. Pyramid will be magnet . Comparison made to Elmira Road . b ) there are only two access roads to this area at this time c ) have you asked for performance bonds ? Judd Falls Road had no landscaping . MAL Mrs . Miller : I don ' t think I ' d want to , not Planning Board prerogative . • REVIEW Mr . Edmondson : I sympethasize with bond issue . This is a preliminary, architectural drawing . Mrs . Bent : There is nothing like having a bond , • Mrs . Maines : All they have given us is their layout , when do we see the actual drawing ? Is it a pig in a poke ? Mr . Edmondson : Architects brought from NY . They cannot commission architects to go on with finite drawings . Plans are subject to approval of Town Board . After approval will enter into finite drawings . rye will look at drawings later. • Conformance in zoning ordinance already complied with . Mrs . Maines : When will you know what it is going to look like ? Mr . Edmondson : Later , • . • Pyramid Rep . : New steps frau us will be in about two months . Mr . Gills : Is there anything in zoning ordinance where we can require of developer a performance bond ? FINAL Mr . Conlon : Do you need performance bond on road ? REVIEW cont ' d Answer : no . Mrs . Smidt : Rumor has it you will give approval to Pyramid tonight . If soy what is it ? Mrs . Miller : I assume final decision will be given to Pyramid tonight . She went on to say that Mr . Edmondson will be checking on plans . Norm Stanton will be around as the work progresses and he •will see that things are conformed with . " They rant a certificate of occupancy when they finish . Till be working with Norm Stanton . " Mrs . Smidt : Planning Board is making a final decision tonight . Torn Board will have final approval ? Answer : yes . Mrs . Bent : Question directed to Pyramid . Pyramid , you have 24 malls operating . How many completely filled ? Are all completely ig, ' Do you expect any to be closed in next few months ? Answer : no . Pyramid : Yes , but two are changing major tenants . We are in the business to make money. i .4nal Dr . Fetch : Graham Road West turned over to county . Medical officer does not rent 10000 cars going by. )AD Mrs . Miller : I understand problem of your driveway. . Dr . Fetch : We have not been contacted by anyone . Prs . Miller : Yoll were aware when you bought the land that you were in a commercial area . Pr . Uphoff : ( another representative of the doctors ) .fie were not contacted on this . There will be three doctors . It seems unusual that Planning Board has not come in to discuss traffic with medical doctors . Mrs . Miller : Did you contact Planning Board and discuss problems before buying property? • Mrs . Miller : It ' s on my agenda to contact you concerning road . Has this . been determined a town road ? I would check into it and is not the property owned by Dr . Butler and Powers ? It is one situation that has to be worked on . Mr . Uphoff : Would have expected Planning Board to do more than has been done . Mrs . Miller : I have nothing to do about owners . Planning Board cannot go into this . Expect people who are buying property to go to Planning Board and find _5- • out about their property . Mrs . Miller also stated that Graham. Road residents will have to work out own solution . Mr . Roscoe : Does that *Wean we cannot use the entrance to Mall for adjacent property? to Nr . Craig : Could you use another road ? Answer : Basically, the rod is wide enough . Possibly for four lanes . S . Dubois : Oakcrest entrance after Pyramid recommendation : 1 ) accept this 2 ) realtors paid property values stay high 3 ) reccuaend by DOT that entrance should be there l ) in addition should be easement for possible future road through to Cayuga Heights Road Pyramid says Oakcrest entrance almost zero use . Will give easement to Cayuga Heights Road . MBA From floor : Would like to express my concern about the entrance to Cayuga TIGHTS Heights Road . Where is road going to be ? Where is it specifically coming out ? Mrs . Miller : That is an area described in zoning ordinance map as high and low density. There is a possibility itwill come a time Then developing land . . . . there is no such road that has been named . Noway of bearing when it might be named . There are those who have worked out such Possibility on maps , Dr , Deboar : We are not intendsted in being sacrificed for commercial SECRETARY WINTERS READ PROPOSAL ATTACH I W 1-WMBPIT h ZUESTI OPS LE ROPOSAL Mr . Roscoe : questioned whether county has seen plans . Also traffic lights . Mr . Craig : Pressure will not be off . They are nor asking for a building permit . If they don ' t conform to plans as detailed non , they would not get a Certificate of Occupancy. Mr . Roscoe : We are dealing with county and Pyramid . What can we -expect? 41) Harris Dates : The county mill have to face up to this . Work is going along . Will not be ready to do anything on Triphammer for one year . I . ' ossible to do anything on roads at moment . Mr . Edmondson : Highway is jurisdiction of Pyramid and County. 6 • Mr . Roscoe : Concerned about overall ability of this . • Mrs . Miller : We all are and will continue to work out details . Mr . Roscoe : Understand this but had to express myself . Highly appreciate it . Mr . Conlon : Cuestion on traffic . Te have one octopus in another end of town and feel with overpass we will have another . Also ,Varren Road and Morse Chain . I am going to use Cayuga Heights Road . Mrs . Smidt : 4 Do I understand the Planning Board is going to accept hook up to County interceptor or private ? Will it be approved by State ? Does Norm decide or coma back to Board ? Mrs . Miller : They will hook up either way Town decides . Mr . Craig : If we need to post bond we will . Rhaeto Pfister : Appreciate Planning Board ' s time and thanks Planning Board for work for them . Mr . Roscoe : One more question . Is there any way we can work on road by medical building ? Mrs . Miller : We will be very happy to work with them, ilkr Mr . Roscoe : Anything mentioned in resolution ? 1'� Mrs . Miller : e can rely on Pyramid to carry it out . Nill you be willing to leave it out if I definitely work on it ? MOTION Mr . Edmondson : I make a motion that Planning Board approve resolution for Pyramid plans for development . Mr . Baughman seconded . _ a roll call was made and it was a unamimous " yes " , Resolution thereby declared duly adopted . Announcement made that Aril 22nd would be date for a meeting on subdivision regulations . Meeting adjourned 10 : 15PM 411