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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1971-05-10 , Minutes LANSING PLANNING BOARD • May 10 , 1971 : Town Hall Regular Meeting Executive Session PRESENT : Mr . Peter H . Craig ( Chairman) ( 9 : 35 p . m . ) ; Miss Louise Barr , Mrs . Viola Miller ; Messrs . Paul Barron , Samuel Baughman , Frederick Edmondson , and Stephen Farkas Also : Mr . Charles Howell , Supervisor , and Messrs . Edward J . Lavigne and Lee C . Naegly , members , Lansing Town Board ; Mrs . Jane Bush , Town Clerk ; Mr . Thomas Niederkorn , Planning Consultant In the absence of Mr . Craig at the beginning of the meeting , Mrs . Miller called the meeting to order at 8 : 10 p . m . Upon motion of Mr . Edmondson , all regular business of the meeting was dispensed with , and the meeting moved into an executive session , so that members of the Town Board might hear a presentation of the Master Plan by Mr . Niederkorn . Mrs . Miller requested that questions be withheld until the end of the presentation . The meeting was then turned over to Mr . Niederkorn . • Niederkorn Explained to the members of the Town Board that this is not a MASTER PLAN final presentation , but merely the types of things which still PRESENTATION require a great deal of refining in order to reflect the wishes of Lansing residents and of how the Town may appear 25 years hence - - in other words , what is the most appropriate use of the land for the future ? Presented a series of maps and overlays , including a chart showing a population projection for Lansing to the year 1995 . This is a composite of the projections made by O ' Brien & Geer for the Sewer Agency , the one made by the Lansing Planning Board , and that made by Mr . Niederkorn . This composite chart shows a Lans - ing population of approximately 13 , 000 by 1995 , which of course could be affected by the installation of utilities , including sewers . On the assumption that each family would live on a half - acre of land , this increase of population would use 550 acres of land , and all of this increased population could be contained in an area well within the vacant land still remaining in the south end of Lansing south of Asbury Road . This estimate of land use includes all parks , stores , and roads necessary to support the increase . If this same increase were spread over the entire area of the Town , it would not make a significant difference in the Town itself . It was emphasized that the Master Plan is being evolved on the • basis that the southern third of the Town is quite different from the remainder of Lansing . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 10 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 2 • A statement of development policy had been distributed to members of the Town Board . The statement represents the opinions of the P lanning Board and of the people with whom they had contact . Ex - plained the evolution of this statement , which puts forward what the Planning Board feels is in the best interests of Lansing . The first overlay showed the natural features : the lake shore area , Salmon Creek Valley , Locke Creek area , and various gorges and glens ; also points where land and water meet , which are McKinneys , Myers , Milliken Station , Portland Point , Bolton Point , and Estys . Stressed the point that if these areas are once lost to the public , they are lost forever . The second overlay showed development intensity , which has to do with the various kinds of activities which are going on on the land . (a ) Rural - everything north of Peruville Road . (b ) Medium intensity - non - farm land , wrapping around an area of higher in - t ensity ; from Myers to Ludlowville . (c ) High intensity area - up North Triphammer and up Warren Roads to Peruville Road . ( d ) Urban intensity area - intersection of North Triphammer and Route 13 . Presented the Master Plan , the first overlay of which showed all o f the things which are going to begin to affect the south end of Lansing , such as sewer lines . There are three alternatives as • to the length of the sewer line extensions . (a ) Districts 1 and 2 only ; (b ) to Twin Glens Road ; (c ) to Gulf Creek Road , with lat - erals to be extended as needed . The next overlay showed the proposed road system . This was followed by an overlay showing the recreation system for the southern area , and major drainage patterns within that area . Mr . Niederkorn emphasized the fact that although one cannot tell exactly how things will be , nevertheless if the Town Board and the Planning Board work toward a master plan it will help to shape the future of Lansing . The presentation was followed by a question - and - comment period . Howell Requested a set of the maps of road systems , drainage , sewer pro - jections , the south end of Lansing , and a base map . Mr . Nieder - korn will supply these . Feels that the population growth in Lansing may slow down as a ✓ esult of the forthcoming apportionment of the sales tax , which he regards as unfair to Lansing . • The Salmon Creek stream area is being considered by the State Environmental Control Conservation Department . Asked what sug - Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 10 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 3 gestions the Planning Board has for acquiring the land on both 1111 sides of Salmon Creek . Niederkorn Replied that the Town of Lansing should not acquire anything it does not have to . It would be possible to have some local laws which would make it difficult to do something contrary to the nature of the area . Miller We are planning a meeting with the owners of property bordering Salmon Creek , to see how they feel about it . Howell Stated that the south end of Lansing is not the greatest tax source in Lansing ; Milliken Station actually is . Pointed out that Milliken owns all the area to Cuddeback Road , not just to Stark Road as shown on the map . Feels it would be a good idea to add that area to the proposed recreation area shown on the Master Plan overlay . Howell Discussed the flow oftraffic and the immediate problem on TRAFFIC North Triphammer Road . Pointed out that the road which Cornell University is trying to give to the State could very easily take a great deal of traffic from North Triphammer over to Warren Road . He would like to see this encouraged by the Town of Lans - ing by having a letter of approval written . This change in traffic flow would make necessary the proposed Warren Road im- • provements and connections . Suggested a road going from Warren Road to Route 34 on the diagonal . The State would have to take over Warren Road and the diagonal road . Asked that the Planning Board look into the matter of a circumferential road . Howell Suggested that the airport clear zone area could be used as a park . Howell The Town Board has the difficult question of sewer regulations SEWER LINES on its hands now . If sewer lines are put through where the area is not built up , you create a situation which will benefit pro - moters . Our duty is to the people who are already living in the area . Miller This is one of the questions that the Planning Board has wrestled with for hours upon end . The answer arrived at is that while we do not want to develop Lansing and thus lose the open areas , we are going to lose them anyway ; and it is better to have the growth come in under a system of controls . The people who want large lots can go farther out , and the people who want small lots can live where the sewers have been installed . Howell We have no business promoting areas where there is no development . Sewers should be put in only where they are needed . • Howell Is in favor of the proposed park , and wishes that all of the BOLTON POINT land could be bought at any price . AREA Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 10 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 4 LaVigne Asked about the size of the proposed Bolton Point Park . 111/ Craig Fifty acres . Miller If Mrs . Bolton understood that this land would become Bolton Park and would never be used for anything except public recreation purposes , she might be willing to sell or donate it to the Town . Miller Asked Town Board members how they feel the Master Plan can MASTER PLAN help them and affect what may happen in Lansing . Emphasized that the Plan is fluid and can change as circumstances change within the Town . Howell The Town Board is not against the Master Plan at all . The Sub - division Regulations have been held up by all the things more important than they are . Niederkorn Stated that he still must make up the Capital Improvements Pro - gram . Then all of the material will be done in more detail and will be printed and published and delivered to the Planning Board . There will then be a couple of public meetings in the Town and the Planning Board will make its recommendations and send the material to the Town Board . Howell Feels that all that is needed is to develop the material further . But it should be just a simple statement . 1111 Craig The Planning Board has put in a great deal of time on the matter of the Lansing problems . There cannot be any simple solution to the problems in the south end of the Town as there can be in the north end . Howell Recognizes this . Asked what the recommendations of the Planning SEWER LINES Board are on the matter of the sewer line . Niederkorn His own recommendation is to stop the sewer line at Twin Glens . Craig Build a blanket district so that you do not have tiny improve - ment districts . The blanket zone should be to Gulf Creek , but not entirely sewered . Then there would be small districts with - in the large district . Howell Asked that the Planning Board submit its recommendation for the extent of the sewer line extension . Craig We advocated district -within - district . This makes many things possible which are not otherwise possible . Miller Asked for any further comments . MASTER PLAN LaVigne Felt that the meeting had been very instructive , and that the 11/ presentation had been good . Complimented the Planning Board on the work it has done . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 10 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 5 • Miller Implementing the plan has to be done by regulations . It will not work if it is put into a book and the book placed on a shelf . LaVigne As a plan it is excellent , but there are some problems which we cannot answer now . Howell Believes it would be better to present merely the plan , but not make any recommendations . He hopes some of the things will work out . But they are not going to regulate or regiment things . Miller If you recognize that the plan is good , you should also realize that it can be changed . It is merely the tool , but a real one if it is accepted as such . LaVigne Feels there is a great deal of merit in it . Howell Asked what will be the final recommendations of the Planning Board ; whether the Planning Board recommends that the whole area be zoned , or only part of it . Niederkorn Will provide material for use at the time it is appropriate . Howell If zoning has to come about , it will come about one step at a time . But if you say the whole area should come under regulations , you could lose . Miller We recommend no zoning at all for the northern two - thirds of the Town Niederkorn Explained that the Town can be zoned in the way shown on the Master Plan . Howell Objected on the ground that if you have a non - zoned area , then that area is nevertheless zoned . Craig This handling of the matter is accepted by the State . Howell Denied that this is legal , in spite of assurance by members of the Planning Board that it is completely legal . Howell Feels that the Planning, Board should make the presentation without mentioning zoning . Niederkorn Assured Mr . Howell that there will be two distinct documents - - the Master Plan and the Zoning Ordinance . Naegly Wishes to have several of the maps for the use of Fire Station No . 5 , but on a larger scale and of a larger area . Also a map of the drainage system . Feels that the presentation was good , and very beneficial , but questioned the course of one of the streams as • shown on the map . (Note : It was later found that the map is es - sentially correct . ) The meeting was adjourned at 10 : 10 p . m .