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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1971-02-08 • Minutes • LANSING PLANNING BOARD February 8 , 1971 : Town Hall Regular Meeting PRESENT : Mr . Peter H . Craig , Chairman ; Miss Louise Barr , Mrs . Viola Miller ; Messrs . Samuel Baughman , Frederick Edmondson , and Stephen Farkas Also : Mr . James Showacre ABSENT : Mr . Paul Barron The meeting was called to order at 8 : 15 by the Chairman . Minutes of the regular meeting of January 11 , 1971 , and of the MINUTES special meeting of January 25 , 1971 , were approved as presented . Miller Reported on a meeting held in her home February 4 , 1971 , at REPORTS OF which Mr . Harris Dates was present to discuss the general as - STANDING pects of the County Sewer Agency , especially as it affects the COMMITTEES proposed sewer districts in Lansing . Sewer Districts 1 and 2 , and a possible District 3 were discussed and opinions pre - Public sented . In general , people accepted the County Sewer Agency , Relations and the fact that eventually Lansing will have to have sewers , 41/ but the feeling was emphasized that in the absence of zoning , SEWER or land use control , they do not want sewers . Although they DISTRICT realize that sewers will be a necessity as the Town develops , and they are willing to give up the concept of country living (which had been their original purpose in moving into Lansing ) , the lack of any land use control makes them unwilling to accept possible District 3 at this time . Moreover , they felt strongly that some formula for financing should be carefully worked out , in order to prevent any financial crisis for the future in con - nection with sewer installation . Craig Probably the basic function served by the meeting was to let Mr . Dates know how people feel about the possibility of a local sewer district . The Town Board had an executive session on February 5 , to which Mr . Craig had been invited , to work on plans concerning the proposed sewer districts . The general trend of thought on the part of the Town Board now is a conservative one , and it has become obvious to the members that if they have a sewer district extending as far as Gulf Creek that area will become a prime development dis - trict . At that Town Board meeting Mr . Charles Howell made an im- passioned plea for land use controls before any sewer lines are installed . As to the permissive referendum which has been men - tioned at previous Planning Board meetings , this would not be • limited to Lansing voters only , but would include all areas to be included in the County Sewer District . On February 26 there will be a public meeting called by the Town Board in connection with the sewer district . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , February 8 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 2 • Craig Mr . Niederkorn is presently completely reviewing his ideas of MASTER PLAN a zoning ordinance for Lansing , inasmuch as he now feels that the concept of zoning for Lansing must be more extensive . He also wishes to know where the Planning Board feels the sewer line should go . Craig Had presented the trailer ordinance plus the suggestions al - TRAILER ready discussed , at the Town Board meeting held February 5 . ORDINANCE The Town Board members had listened to the suggestions and considered them good . They are to meet again on February 12 and present throughts of their own , and at that time the whole project will be put together . The Town Board is extremely eager to get a restrictive ordinance to present at public meetings , for quick passage . Craig It is important for the Planning Board to agree on plans for SEWER the sewer districts . Mr . Niederkorn has not come up with any - DISTRICT thing specific to present at a public meeting , so the plan for LOCATION an early public meeting will have to be deferred . There could be a number of neighborhood meetings , at which all ideas here - tofore presented by residents of Lansing as well as by the Planning Board could be presented . Farkas There has been a revision of the Sanitary Code , but Mr . Farkas SANITARY feels that any good lawyer could tear it to pieces , and that as CODE • a matter of fact practically anyone could shoot it down . Craig The article is so broadly drawn that any county health board administrator could interpret it to suit the needs or wishes of builders . The use of sand filters has been outlawed . Farkas Will ascertain February 9 , 1971 , whether the revised article has been accepted . Craig Requested that Planning Board members present their opinions SEWER as to the location of the sewer district boundaries . DISTRICT LOCATION Edmondson Does not feel that he has enough concrete information on which to base an opinion . Believes that it will take many public hearings before a final decision can be reached . One should start out with the engineering equations and then the economic rationale . It is then possible to move from that into projected reality . The planning expert pulls all the information together and makes his deductions from this . It is a professional problem . Showacre It is possible to propose a master plan in the absence of sewers , to see what shape it would take with no sewer lines . Then you run sewer lines out in this district , knowing where they must • originate . It is then possible to see how the lines might change the original plan . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , February 8 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 3 • Craig Niederkorn has asked us where the sewers should go . Baughman Whenever you run the sewout before there is population concentration , you open up the district for development . Miller Mr . Niederkorn showed us where he thought the development would occur in the future , and now we should try to pinpoint where commercial development should take place . If we were willing to make a master plan first , then we could see where sewers should go without opening up new territory for development . Farkas Feels that the answer will come from the politican arena rather than from the planning and factual arena . Craig Our experience with engineers and other professionals is that they make no engineering recommendations . An outline of the district as now being considered by the Town Board is too limited . Edmondson There should be a large district . The logic of watershed must be presented to the Town Board as a basis for expanding the bounds of the district . Miller From the point of view of pollution , the Town Board must be pre - sented with the fact that the people who already live in the district will have to have sewers . Craig Probably everyone on the Town Board feels that if they make a large sewer district they will force development in the north end of the Town . If some of the outlying districts are going to have to have sewers within the next ten years it will save them money to have a district now . One of the problems now is that the first and second sewer districts were formed as an expediency . Miller The assumption is that there will be additional population ; and if you have a larger district , development can go into the new district . Some developers are putting a house on one lot , and the septic field on the next lot . Whether or not you wish development , it will come , and sewers will become a necessity which people will be forced to pay for . Farkas Has a feeling that the big district will go out to Fulf Creek Road . If this occurs , there is the question of whether people out that far will have sewers within the next twenty years . He does not feel that Tom Miller will set up a master sewer plan . Edmondson His impression is that Mr . Miller was going to do only the engi - neering feasibilities , not the engineering designing . • Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , February 8 , 1971 , Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 4 • Craig After the sewer district is formed , Tom Miller will then be asked by the Town Board to make a sewer plan . The outline of the big district has been based upon a plan for a long interceptor line ; and if that is not put in , the people of the remote area will not have sewers in fifty years . The long line at the present time would entitle us to State aid . Showacre There may be enough actual and potential industrial and commer - cial development to justify the long sewer line . Craig A fair system ofapportionment is something not yet discussed . He has been working on one , but not the the point of knowing how much the cost will be to individuals . Everything would be based upon assessed evaluation . People who receive service would pay at one level ; people in the district whose homes are not yet at - tached but will be in the near future would pay at a lesser rate ; and the lowest rate would be paid by those who are not in a sewer district . The only unsatisfactory aspect is that the people in District 1 would have to help pay for the interceptor , at a time when their own district is practically paid off . Miller Suggested that Dick West , James Showacre , and Peter Craig formu - late the costs . Craig We must have a mobile home ordinance for the Town Board very TRAILER • shortly . Asked whether the Planning Board members wish to go ORDINANCE through the ordinance , and a special meeting for this purpose was set up for Monday , February 15 , at 8 : 30 p . m . Miller Called the attention of the members of the Planning Board to ROUTE 13 - the high number of accidents at the intersection of Route 13 TRIPHAMMER and North Triphammer Road . These seem to stem from the fact INTERSECTION that cars coming from the easterly direction mistake the sig- ACCIDENTS nal lights for automobile tail lights . Craig Appointed Mrs . Miller to formulate a resolution to the State Board telling them the situation and asking for a warning sig - nal to be placed well ahead of the signal lights at the inter - section . The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 40 p . m . •