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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1970-05-25 f 7 • Minutes LANSING PLANNING BOARD May 25 , 1970 : Town Hall 701 Planning Session , Regular Meeting PRESENT : Mr . Peter H . Craig , Chairman ; Miss Louise Barr , Mrs . Viola Miller , Messrs . Paul Barron , Sam Baughman , and Frederick Edmondson Also : Mr . Thomas Niederkorn (Planning Consultant ) ABSENT : Mr . H . B . Ruzicka The Chairman called the meeting to order at 8 : 10 p . m . , and immediately turned it over to Mr . Niederkorn . Niederkorn Has received a ruling from the State that a planning board SUBDIVISION cannot adopt subdivision regulations . They can be adopted REGULATIONS only by the town board . Mrs . Lichtenstein had attended a meeting of the Sewer Agency SEWER LINE at which the information had been announced that an effort is COSTS being made to try to allocate costs on a benefit basis . This • would mean that Zone 1 would be taxed for the purchase of the treatment plant , enlargement of the plant , and a section of the trunk line . Zone 2 would be taxed for a portion of the trunk line construction in the Town of Lansing and part of the Town of Dryden . Zone 3 costs would cover the lines in a por - tion of Cayuga Heights and a portion of the Town of Ithaca , and would be for the improvement of the existing lines . The area from Twin Glens to Hillcrest Road , for the cost of im- proving the plant and some of the existing mains and trunk lines , was broken down into unit costs , State and Federal aid not being considered in this connection . For the staged construction , Zone 1 residents would be charged $ 200 for each hook - in to the line , plus $ 53 per year for the trunk . Zone 2 residents would pay not only the $ 53 basic charge , but also an additional $51 per year for the construction of the main going out to North Triphammer Road . Zone 3 residents would have a $ 4 - a -year additional charge , to a total of $57 per year . This charge would be made only to land - owners , and there would be no hook - up charge . Besides the interceptor lines there would have to be lateral lines . All of the costs are so high that the Board is refigur - ing prices . One of the problems is that although taxes would be paid regularly each year , the facilities themselves might • not be installed for a number of years . One way of solving the financial problem would be to have the Town pay for it by float - ing a bond issue . The first phase could be a line going only to Twin Glens , which would greatly reduce the cost per unit . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 25 , 1970 , Town Hall 701 Planning Session , Regular Meeting , page 2 • Mr . Niederkorn recommended that the sewer line stop at North Triphammer Road , and therefore concentrate development there , since such concentration in that area could support a sewer line . It is hoped that 60 percent support can come from State and Federal aid ; such aid is , however , contingent upon previous zon - ing of an area . The difficulty in Lansing is whether enough de - velopment is anticipated in the sewer district as outlined by O ' Brien & Geer . Leapfrogging and a terrifically spread - out population might be produced . Edmondson The concept of the main interceptor was developed on the basis of a long - term population spread . Niederkorn The population forecast does not show a rapid growth of popula - tion . Niederkorn Is attempting to develop a major access road system , the in - ROAD SYSTEM tent being to simplify access to and tie together portions of the road system already in existence . The preservation of existing streams is a very important objective in considering possibilities , inasmuch as there will be major flooding problems if they are changed or constricted in any way . Mr . Niederkorn displayed map - charts showing alternative road - system plans . North Triphammer Road will be the main north - south artery . • Warren Road will not be so important , as the possibilities of development are somewhat limited there . A fairly dominant road is needed on each side of North Triphammer . In the proposed system , an attempt was made to keep the proposed roads within property lines . Proposed were : A road from the airport to the Shannon property ; an extension of Oak Crest Road to Warren Road ; Bush Lane north then west to Route 13 -North Triphammer , then west to Cayuga Heights Road . Such a system would encourage ad - ditional local streets , which would tie the various roads to - gether . The quality and location of specific development must be taken DEVELOPMENT into consideration with relation to the facilities and the encouragement of a particular density of development . The pro - posed shopping mall at the intersection of Route 13 and North Triphammer will affect the present drainage system , and any plans for this mall would have to be checked with reference to this point . Any new subdivision should always show an easement of 10 to 15 feet , so that the streams can be controlled and cleaned by the Town . Mr . Niederkorn then displayed a plan for the commercial zone , limited to the area between Route 13 and the Ridley Bindery . The residential development would be high - density - - 5 to 15 units of any kind per net acre . The average lot would there - fore be something like 5 , 000 feet . Lower residential area Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 25 , 1970 , Town Hall 701 Planning Session , Regular Meeting , page 3 • density would be one to four units per net residential acre , 30 , 000 to 35 , 000 square feet for a single - family house , or 9 , 000 to 10 , 000 square feet average . Guides for minimum lot size should be established . Higher density development should be encouraged between North Triphammer and Route 34 north of Route 13 . There was a discussion of the matter of traffic on North Trip - hammer Road as compared with that on Route 34 . Mr . Niederkorn remarked that no matter what the State route indicates , the actual development pattern is for North Triphammer . An over - pass is planned for the intersection of Route 13 and North Triphammer . As soon as Route 13 is upgraded to a national road , there can be no crossroads . A strip - type development of commercial nature is an alternative to limiting commercial areas . Such a plan entails also making sure that there are service roads on each side of a main road . There would be no obstruction to the traffic flow on the main road when there are planned service roads adjacent to it . N iederkorn Would like to see the Town put in additional roads and then back- charge the roads to the developers when they start to build . Edmondson Lansing is fortunate in having both Route 34 and Warren Road • to help lift the amount of traffic on North Triphammer . If Warren Road could be continued through Benson Road or Van Ostrand Road , this would eliminate a great deal of traffic from North Triphammer . With the present and continuing restrictions at the Corners , the best possibility is to divert traffic from North Triphammer . Craig A destination study should be undertaken now on North Triphammer and Route 34 . North Triphammer is the focal point . N iederkorn Would prefer to submit several possibilities to the Town Board . Baughman A recommendation should be given to the Town very shortly so that construction could be started on some of the proposed roads . Craig Suggested suitable areas for light industry : north on Route 34 ; south of Industrial Research Park ; and on Warren Road north of Dart Road . This would prevent strip placement of industrial development elsewhere . N iederkorn When Lansing develops extensively , it will be predominantly residential . Densities should be reasonable , and houses will be closer together . There was a ciscussion of sewer costs . If some outside funds SEWER COSTS • could be obtained , this might reduce the cost to , say , $50 per year , and step - by - step residential developments would keep the costs down reasonably level . Each district would have to put in a line which would carry whatever would come into it from the next district . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , May 25 , 1970 , Town Hall 701 Planning Session , Regular Meeting , page 4 • Edmondson There has been no action by the Town Board on the Planning SUBDIVISION Board ' s proposals . Had made an attempt to simplify the regu - REGULATIONS lations , but this cannot be done while at the same time keeping the regulations valid . The regulations as originally proposed are the standard regulations , which ought to be ap - plicable to Lansing . The Town of Lansing must be protected , since if it does not do something in the way of planning it cannot qualify for any State and Federal aid . Apparently the Town Board is not genuinely interested in planning of any sort . Mr . Edmondson feels very strongly that the Planning Board must continue to function , but should not be subjected to any deletion of standard procedures . The State would not permit this . Niederkorn State and Federal aid are going to become more and more dif - ficult to get without planning . The experience of the Town of Homer is a case in point . For many projects , if you wish State and Federal funds it is absolutely necessary to have planning first . All that the Town Board is being asked to do is a harmless , helpful thing which places decision -making on the Planning Board . If there is no coordinated effort even in the matter of road development , there will be no progress . what - soever . 111 Craig The time may have come to go back to the Town Board and tell them that the Planning Board has tried to make this palatable to them , but it cannot be done , for many reasons which can be enumerated . The request "Can the Subdivision Regulations be simplified ? " can be answered by the fact that they are already simplified . Miller The only way to protect the Town is to adopt good regulations . Craig A firm decision must be made at the next Planning Board meeting as to the reply to be given to the Town Board at its meeting on June 12 . The meeting was adjourned at 10 : 30 p . m .