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Minutes
• LANSING PLANNING BOARD
October 14 , 1968 : Town Hall
Regular Meeting
PRESENT : Mr . James Showacre , Chairman ; Mrs . Viola Miller ; Messrs . Paul Barron ,
Alex Cima , H. B . Ruzicka
Also : Professor Roger F . Sandsted and Mr . Raymond P . Kulakosky (real estate
developer )
ABSENT : Messrs . Frederick Edmondson , James Wood
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman at 8 : 10 p . m .
The Executive Secretary read the minutes of the meeting of
September 9 , 1968 , which were approved as read .
Showacre Read a letter from Raymond C . Buckley , District Principal , COMMUNICATIONS
concerning the need for additional school building space ,
and asking for helpful information from this Board . The
Chairman will contact the chairman of the Planning Council
committee which will have this information , and ascertain if
he has any objection to having a letter written to Mr .
• Buckley enclosing a copy of the survey and stating that if
there is any further material the Committee might have which
is not in the written survey , perhaps Professor Bent could
assist him .
The second letter was from Raymond N . Brown , Jr . , of the
United States Department of Agriculture regarding the con-
servation of natural resources by the use of resource plan-
ning . The information in this letter will be made available
to the members of the Planning Council .
Miller Reported that the Planning Council has requested the fourth PLANNING
Monday beginning October 28th be made available for their COUNCIL
regular monthly meetings , which will be publicized and open
t o the public . Special meetings of chairmen will be on the
t hird Monday . Studies requested by the Planning Board will
be finished by December . Planning Board members should at -
tend the regular meetings of the Council . Special Planning
B oard meetings will be held either before the Council meet -
ings or at the same time as is necessary . Coordinators for
the Council are Mr . James Preston and Professor Peter Craig ,
both of whom have met and are working with Mr . Niederkorn .
Showacre Has not heard anything further on the matter of 701 Funds 701 FUNDS
1111 from either the Office of Planning Coordination or from
Washington .
Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , October 14 , 1968 ; Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 2
• Showacre Following the last meeting of this Board the Chairman pre - SUBDIVISION
sented the resolution and a copy of the Subdivision Regula - REGULATIONS
tions to the Town Board , which then elected to consider them
in executive session , and nothing further has been heard
about the matter .
Showacre The Planing Board has received no applications for sub - SUBDIVISION
divisions other than the one from Mr . Catherwood , which is APPLICATIONS
nearly complete .
Ruzicka Mentioned that a site for a fire station is being sought EIRE STATION
to serve the southern end of Lansing , but that as yet nothing
suitable has been found . When a site is selected , one bay
will be put on it , which can be extended for future expan-
sion . Cornell University has agreed to donate land in In-
dustrial Park , but this would not be a logical site from
the point of view of its not being centrally located , and
manpower would not be available during the evenings and at
night .
Showacre Presented two petitions for zoning in the south end of ZONING
Lansing , and two others were presented by Mr . Kulakosky and
Professor Sandsted . The heading on these petitions reads
as follows :
• To the Town Planning Board , Town of Lansing , Tompkins
County , N . Y . , October 12 , 1968
Whereas the south end of the Town of Lansing is
rapidly being commercialized with businesses of
various kinds invading established residentialareas ,
we , the undersigned , request the Lansing Town Planning
Board to immediately work out a plan for zoning pro-
tection in the area south of South Lansing and the
Peruville Road . We request that such a plan be pre -
sented to the Town Board of the Town of Lansing for
prompt action .
Sandsted A total of some 187 signatures was appended , from the Peru-
ville Road south , west of the Church and Asbury Road . Re -
ported that he had been amazed at the cordial reception ac -
corded him when he had asked for signatures on the petition .
About 97 percent were very eager to sign ; a few were on the
fence .
Miller MOTION that the remainder of the meeting be devoted to the
discussion of a resolution , as the petitions requested .
Sandsted Remarked that quite a few people stated they are Ui .t inter -
ested in zoning out business as such , but in the restriction
of the location of commercial enterprises .
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Kulakoski Encountered this same feeling . The people want business , but
• only in certain areas , and not mixed in with residential
areas , so that their property valuation will not be lowered .
They were also asking whether if zoning came in it would
have any control of the dump smoke area .
Sandsted Many were deciding just from frustration .
Miller Some of the feeling that has been voiced is that residents
were there before Route 13 came in , and Lansing was very happy
t o have them ; and that with the advent of Route 13 and no
zoning , commercialism has come in wherever it wished . Al -
though there was no zoning at the time these people moved here ,
it was expected that the immediate area would remain residen-
t ial .
Kulakoski Emphasized that the cordial reception he had received was
astonishing to him . People stated they hoped the Town Board
would protect their interests .
Showacre Now the residents want the Planning Board to protect their
interests .
Miller They are looking to the Planning Board to present this matter
t o the Town Board .
• Sandsted There were questions as to whether the Planning Board had come
up with plans ; people asked whether an ordinance had been
drawn up .
Miller They were disappointed that this had not been done ?
Sandsted They were surprised that nothing much had been done by the Plan-
ping Board .
Kulakosky We have very strict deed restrictions , so nothing can happen on
our own land , but people are concerned about what goes in
across the street .
Miller It came to the attention of the Planning Board that this was
about to happen , because these men had asked to see this Board
and make these petitions and meet with the Board and present
their feelings . Mrs . Miller and Mr . Showacre agreed to meet
with them Saturday night . Messrs . Barron , Cima , . and Ruzicka
were invited to the informal meeting , but could not come . As
a result of that meeting , the two Board members who were
present knew that the Planning Board would have to act on
these petitions , and Mrs . Miller felt that the Board would like
t o know how the men who are developing this area feel about
the matter . She discussed the possibility of zoning with
Messrs . William Myers , Karl Butler , Dr . Lyman Fisher , Messrs .
. M . P . Catherwood , G . R . Talandis . Mr . Myers and Mr . Cather -
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• wood felt that zoning for Lansing is long overdue and very
necessary to the best interests of all Lansing . Mr . Talandis ,
although not personally concerned , felt it necessary for the
protection of all interests , but especially residential areas .
Mr . Butler has been expecting it to come eventually but wished
that it need not , and Dr . Fisher :; favored planning but mis -
trusted zoning , but would not fight it .
Many other residents have called , expressing a need and an
urgency for zoning .
Barron There is not much agriculture left in the south end of the
Town of Lansing . Has talked with two people in the north
end and they are as concerned about this as anyone else , be -
cause they had thought the area would remain residential .
There has been legislation in Albany for the past three years
to provide a special tax on agricultural land for agricultural
purposes . The law may go through in another year . Feels any
action on zoning by the Planning Board should be delayed until
the Town Board makes some decision on the Subdivision Regula -
tions .
Cima Many people who were against zoning and planning have changed
their opinions .
Miller We have before us petitions which we are expected to act upon
• as a responsible body . This has not been done without the
full knowledge of the Supervisor , Harris Dates . Has gone to
him and told him exactly what was happening and how things
stand . At this point he says he is willing to have the Plan -
ning Board become a Zoning Commission and to look at the
plans that evolve from this . He expects this Board to have
something ready to present at the Town Board meeting tomorrow
night . People in the south end want action and are looking
to this Board to get the action . The people have a right to
the protection which the Town Board can provide . As a re -
sponsible Board we must listen to the people who want this ,
and take a stand . If public : ihearings show that the people do
not want this , it can be dropped .
MOTION , that in answer to the petitions submitted to the Plan -
ning Board , it now consider the matter of zoning and find out
how its members stand on a resolution for the Town Board meet -
ing Tuesday night , October 15 , 1968 . Seconded by Mr . Cima .
Showacre The only thing the Planning Board can do is to pass along to
the Town Board information on what can legally be done , say -
ing that we have been strongly urged by petitioners to do
something we are not legally empowered to do . We can make a
resolution to the Town Board that they appoint the members of
the Planning Board as a Zoning Commission and that said Zoning
• Commission be empowered to hold hearings throughout the Town
for the purpose of creating a zoning map which will be satis -
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factory to all land owners , and to develop a Zoning Ordinance
• to go with the zoning map that will be as restrictive or as
lenient as the citizens of the Town would like to have it .
They will then present this information to the Town Board ,
knowing that the Law requires the Town Board to then hold
their own public hearings on zoning , and then if they are
satisfied with the maps and the ordinance , or if they wish to
change the map and the zoning regulations , that they may do so .
Ultimately it is the decision of the Town Board to vote the
ordinance . This is the only fair way to the people . It
should not be left to a few men who are not at all concerned
because of where they live , who probably have no concern about
the protection of the residents of a town with the exception of
a few people and their friends who live near them . Does not
know what the Planning Board can do other than , as a favor to
the people who have petitioned this Board , to stick our necks
out and say , "We will , if appointed , do the work required , and
be as fair to all of the residents of the Town as is humanly
possible . " Neither the Planning Board nor the Zoning Com-
mission can make laws . Only the Town Board can vote laws . The
time element depends on the makeup of the Board . The Town
Board does not have to appoint the Planning Board members as
a Zoning Commission . They could appoint people who are against
zoning , and this would make the action indefinite . Or they
could appoint people who are very interested in zoning and know
something about the background of the Town and the studies that
• have been made , and then action would be rapid . This Board ' s
recommendation could be that they appoint those who are most
familiar with the problem , namely , those who have been working
on the studies .
Ruzicka The only unfortunate aspect is that just one sector has come in ,
and then another . If only one group comes in tomorrow night it
will be for zoning . It should be planned so that all groups
will come in . There should be a moderator who is not the Town
Supervisor .
Miller Withdrew her former motion , with the consent of the seconder .
The following resolution was then formulated :
WHEREAS , The Lansing Planning Board has been
petitioned by many residents of the Town to proceed with
zoning for at least the southern end of the Town , and
WHEREAS , The Planning Board is not legally empowered
to draft a zoning ordinance , now therefore be it
RESOLVED , That the Planning Board recommend that
the Town Board of Lansing , in the County of Tompkins
State of New York , appoint the members of the Planning
Board and / or others , as a Zoning Commission ; that the
• said Zoning Commission be empowered to prepare a zoning
map , draft the zoning regulation , and hold hearings
throughout the Town ; said procedure to be conducted
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according to the Town Zoning Laws of the State of
• New York ; and be it further
RESOLVED , That a copy of this resolution be
transmitted to the Town Board for their approval .
The roll -call vote on the resolution. was as follows :
Showacre Yes
Ruzicka Yes
Miller Yes
Cima Yes
Barron Yes
This will be presented to the Town Board at their regular meet -
ing on October 15 . A copy will be given to the Town Supervisor
ahead of time , and to all the members of the Town Board . The
members of the Planning Board could be on hand to answer ques -
tions .
The meeting was adjourned by the Chairman at 10 : 55 p . m .
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