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Home My WebLink About1968-07-08 43 Minutes LANSING PLANNING BOARD • July 8 , 1968 : Town Hall Regular Meeting PRESENT : Mr . James Showacre , Chairman ; Mrs . Viola Miller ; Messrs . Paul Barron , Alex Cima , Frederick Edmondson Also : Mr . Frederick Spry ABSENT : Messrs . H . D . Ruzicka , James Wood The meeting was called to order by the Chairman at 8 : 35 p .m . The minutes of the following meetings were approved by separate mo - tions , made by Mrs . Miller , seconded by Mr . Cima , and carried : May 13 , 1968 ; May 27 , 1968 ; and the executive session of June 27 , 1968 . The first order of business was the selection of a vice - chairman , ELECTION to replace Mr . John Ettinger , recently resigned from the Planning Board . OF VICE - Mr . Cima was nominated by Mr . Edmondson , seconded by Mr . Barron . Mr . Edmondson was then nominated by Mr . Cima , seconded by Mrs . Miller . In CHAIRMAN the election by ballot , Mr . Edmondson received four votes , Mr . Cima one . • The Chairman announced that the 701 Funds application has been 701 FUNDS forwarded to Washington , recommended to the signatory for the State that it be given highest priority . Mr . Drogin has not yet reported whether it was actually given this priority . Sometime during the present quarter Washington will notify this Board of either its approval or disapproval . It it is approved , funds will be released immediately ; if disapproved in this quarter , the application will be put on the list for the next quarter . If approved the following quarter , work can be started ; if disapproved it goes into the following quarter . If it is disapproved three quarters , the work on it must start over again from the beginning of the process . This allows the Lansing Planning Board until March of 1969 for the final decision . The memorandum dated July 8 , 1968 , from Mr . Niederkorn to Mr . SUBDIVISION Showacre , regarding suggested modifications of the proposed subdivision regulations stemming from the public hearing on June 27 , 1968 , was dis - REGULATIONS cussed point by point (copy attached to these minutes ) . 1 . Mr . Edmondson suggested that four instead of two or more divisions of land be the criterion , unless a public or commercial facility is planned . The Chairman agreed that he does not wish the Planning Board to become in- volved with divisions into only two parcels of land where no improvements are contemplated and it is not for commercial development . The following change was therefore agreed upon : • Page 32 . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , July 8 , 1968 ; Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 2 i . Subdivision : • The division of any lot , tract or parcel of land into two or more parcels , lots , plots , tracts , sites or other division of land for the purpose , whether immediate or future , of transfer of ownership , whether or not new building or development is to occur , except that for the purposes of these rules and regulations any parcel which is divided so as to create two to four parcels , none of which is to be used for commercial purposes and involves no new public improvements , shall not be considered a subdivision . Subdivision shall include resubdivision in whole or in part of any plot , filed or unfiled , which is entirely or partially undeveloped . 2 . It was the sense of the Board that a maximum of four parcels of land , with improvements , constitutes a minor subdivision . A major subdivision is any division which is not a minor subdivision ; in other words , five or more subdivisions with improvements . The change was made as follows : Page 32 . la . Subdivision , Minor : The subdivision of any land into not more than four lots (initial lot plus three new lots ) fronting on an existing street , not involving any new street or road , but involving the extension of any municipal facilities such as public water and / or sewer mains . lb . Subdivision , Major : Any subdivision of land not classified by the Planning Board . as a Minor Subdivision . A discussion followed as to who has the responsibility for paying for the improvements . It was the sense of the Board that the person who puts in and pays for the improvements should appear before the Board for approval . Regarding a definition of " improvements , " these were felt to be pub - lic roads , water and sewer facilities . " Improvements " should be included in definitions . 3 . The following change was made : Page 3 . D . A Sketch Plan which is classified as a MINOR subdivision and has received Board of Health approval , if required , may be conditionally approved by the Planning Board . The subdivider shall comply with the provisions of this Article regarding Final Plat and approval after a public hear g . 4 . Add ; Page 32 . Add . lc . Subdivision , Existing : Any subdivision of land in the Town of Lansing which is • filed in the office of the Town or County Clerk at the time these rules and regulations take effect . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , July 8 , 1968 ; Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 3 5 . The Board wished to delete this requirement ( trees ) . • 6 . Regarding paragraph A , it was decided to leave , as it now stands , the statement originally made on page 5 of the proposed subdivision regulations . Page 5 . B . The Preliminary Plat drawing must have the approval of the Tompkins County Health Department before it is submitted for approval . 7 . Add : Page 7 . A . line 4 . After the first sentence add the following sentence : "All such Final Plats shall be laid out by a certified licensed land surveyor . " 8 . Approved by the Board (i . e . , that the original wording be retained ) . Regarding the Chart of Procedure , the following change was made : Page 37 . Chart of Procedure Strike out "MINOR SUBDIVISION (approved ) " and the arrow below it . • It was the sense of the Board that Dr . Lyman Fisher ' s suggestion that a copy of the Board of Health Regulations relating to subdivisions be incorporated in the Subdivision Regulations could be granted by including these in an addendum , so that if they are changed it will not be necessary to revise the Subdivision Regulations . Mr . Spry then addressed the Board on the advisability of omitting refer- ences to zoning , in the Regulations , as this is a controversial subject and should actually be the final step in planning , instead of being included in a first step such as subdivision regulations . He felt that the omission of such references would take nothing from the regulations , aid would aid materially in their acceptance in Lansing , as the educational process would thereby be expedited . With this in mind , the Board made the following changes : Page 3 . B . line 2 - strike out "zoning requirements , if any , and " . Page 16 . G . Permanent dead -end streets shall not be longer than six times the minimum frontage (section 605 ) or 600 feet . All permanent dead -end streets shall provide a turnaround at the end with a paved radius of not less than 60 • feet . Streets which are to be continued at a later date shall provide a temporary turnaround . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , July 8 , 1968 ; Town Hall , Regular Meeting , page 4 Page 19 . • C . Strike out #1 and renumber the remainder . Page 2 . B . Lot dimensions and area shall be as follows : i . Page 29 . Section 904 . Strike out this section . It was decided that another public hearing should be held by the joint boards , with a statement to the Town Board from the Planning Board that at the regular meeting of the latter on July 8 , 1968 , that Board reviewed the recommendations made - at the recent public hearing and subsequently recom- mended by Mr . Niederkorn , and recommends that the Lansing Town Board con- sider these changes in the proposed subdivision rules and recommendations , and that the changes be presented at another public hearing to be held by the joint boards this month . Mrs . Miller announced that because of the vast number of hours PLANNING spent by many of the members of the Planning Council , many of the surveys COUNCIL are now finished . They are extremely worthwhile and interesting , and • are being studied and abstracted . They are available for perusal by members of the Planning Board . 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Lansing Planning Board DATE : July 8 , 1968 • The following modifications of the proposed Lansing Subdivision • Regulations resulted from the public hearing held last month and from a discussion with the town engineer and the town attorney . 1 . Main concern seemed to focus on the provision which would , require that all transferes of land would have to come before the planning board for approval , regardless of the intended use to which the land was to be put and whether or not new improvements • were involved . It was felt that this would also put a burden on the planning board . Softening of this provision should be done by modifying the definition of a subdivision on page 32 . One possibility would be to say that a subdivision was the division of a parcel - into three or more parcels :instead of " two or more " as presently • . stated . This would result in some loss of control . A better possibility would be to exclude from the regula - tions any one lot subdivision involving a parcel five acres or larger which was to be used for agricultural purposes and did not involve the construction of any improvements . This can be accom- plished by adding the following wording after " occur" on line 8 of page 32 : " except that for the purposes of these rules and regulations any parcel which is subdivided into not more than one new parcel , which parcel is five acres or more in size , is to be used solely for agricultural purposesand involves no new public improvements , shall not be considered a subdivision . " This would permit the large lot subdivision for agricultural purposes . The five acre figure is arbitrary but seems reasonable . 2 . There was a suggestion to broaden the definition of a MINOR subdivision so that a subdivision into more than two lots would not have to comply with the procedures of a MAJOR subdivision . Whether or not this should be done depends on the amount of control the planning board wishes to maintain . I . doubt that serious problems 1111 Page Two Memo to Jim Showadre , Chairman , Lansing Planning Board July 8 , 1968 if • would materialize 4&t the definition of MINOR subdivision (page 32 ) read as follows : " The subdivision of any land into not more than three lots ( initial lot plus two new ones ) to be used solely for residential purposes , etc 3 . Two attendant changes related to MINOR subdivisions should be made on page 4 . The last sentence of the first paragraph should be changed to read : " The subdivider shall file a copy of the en- dorsed Sketch Plan with the Town Clerk within 90 days from the date said Sketch Plan was endorsed . " On the same page , paragraph E , strike the word " contiguous " . The word " four" should possibly be reduced to " three" if the change in the definition of a MINOR subdivision is adopted . 4 . The definition of an " Existing Subdivision" was mentioned . This can be taken care of by adding ic .. at the bottom of page 32 as follows : " lc . Subdivision , Existing : Any subdivision of land in the Town of Lansing which is filed in the office of the town or county clerk at the time these rules and regulations take effect . " • 5 . There was concern about the requirement for a tree in the front yard (page 26 ) . While I feel this is not unreasonable , it may be expeditious to delete this paragraph . 6 . On page 5 , it was suggested by Tom Miller that the following wording be added to paragraph B : "All such Plats involving private sewerage systems or a private water supply must bear the seal of both- a 1-icensed- -pr-o-€esstonal engineer and a licensed -land-surveyor . Plats involving public sewerage systems or a public water supply may be submitted by a licensed land surveyor provided there are also submissions of water and sewerage plans bearing the seal of a _. licensed professional engineer . " 7 . On page 7 , Section 404 A , after the first sentence ad;d the following sentence : "All such Final Plats shall be layd out by a certified licensed land surveyor . " 8 . It is my feeling that the suggestion that the regulation related to sidewalks (Section 701 C ) should be more positive A not particularly valid . The planning board must retain some dis - fretion here . In my opinion , all the modifications listed in this memo could be incorporated into the rules and regulations without compromising the intent and effectiveness of the ordinance . The primary purpose • of making these changes is to enable the subdivision regulations to be accepted and approved . More changes in the future should be expected . • • . _ ., ... , - `i Post Office Box No . 60 • trill South Lansing, New York t :; s ‘ . .. e .. �-c .....xr " ,/ 5 7.7.7 , y yi° 7 res tn w i s 'T!' ^ ,, a"*^2" 4 .yj Y zv r , r 3" ar `�'. i • a..:..: _ :.,. ,w.'S<:� .. > §«:. ov�nS . wti .., s -yail;;It;.., .gara :CLL iv4.,:,, ,i4;;; ;„t.::ar,, j...,:. ;- ,4N- m,.. ,1. a,.m 'Sz, nm : ... .d . .0„;, ._ . ;;A:;:azSa ,, .n .:- 4.1 ' >m,54-n.-t.» � ziszd ai x ,�? a % tr ; ',' 4a ' MEMORANDUM rr Y -. y4 s To : Lansing Town Board'3.41 . at PAUL F. BARRON From : James Co Showacre , Chairman fr V, 74 Jerry Smith Road Subject : Subdivision Regulations tio .; Ludlowville, New York ALEX CIMA, JR. tA- + Hillcrest Road I • Ithaca, New York ; h r' FRED W . EDMONDSON, At the regular meeting of the Planning Board on July 8 91 Drake Road the Planning Board reviewed the recommendations made at Ludlowville, New York IIoll joH �r===Pwoo@lcR the public hearing of June 27 and subsequent recommend ' N - - Ar* ations by Mr . Niederkorn and recommends that the Lansing A r_IAD AADT F LEY CK- Town Board consider these changes ( attached ) in the PITO 1 „lig t4lle, Y-ark MRS . VIOLA H. MILLER proposed subdivision rules and regulations , and that the -;'y I 135 Bush Lane "yy ` Ithaca, New York changes be presented at another public hearing to be ES 168 Graham C. SHOWACRE held by the joint Boards this month , i � ', 168 Road i , AIthaca, New York l eb il /. ,V eL'-tr .. • ri . 1 • • • Page 32 . • 1 . Subdivision : The division of any lot , tract or parcel of land into two or more parcels , lots , plots , tracts , sites or other division of land for the purpose , whether immediate or future , of transfer of ownership , whether or not new building or development is to occur , except that for the purposes of these rules and regulations any parcel which is divided so as to create two to four parcels , non- of which af' to be used for commercial purposes and involves no new public improvements , shall not be considered a subdivision . Subdivision shall include resubdivision in whole or in part of any plot , filed or unfiled , which is entirely or partially undeveloped . la . Subdivision , Minor : The subdivision of any land into not more than four lots ( initial lot plus three new lots ) fronting on an existing street , not involving any now street or road , but involving the extension of any municipal facilities such as public water and/or sewer mains . lb. Subdivision , Major : Any subdivision of land not classified by the Planning Board as a Minor Subdivision . Page 3 . c 1 ' B. line 2 - strike out " zoning requirements , if any , and " D . A Sketch Plan which is classified as a MINOR subdivision and has received • Board of Health approval , if required , may be conditionally approved by the Planning Board . The subdivider shall comply with the provisions of this Article regarding Final Plat and approval after a public hearing . Page 7 . A . line 4 . After the first sentence add the following sentence : "All such Final Plats shall be laid out by a certified licensed land surveyor . " Page 16 . G . Permanent dead-end streets shall not be longer than six times the minimum frontage ( section 605 ) or 600 feet . All permanent dead- end streets shall provide a turnaround at the end with a paved radius of not less than 60 feet . Streets which are to be continued at a later date shall provide a temporary turnaround . Page 19 . C . Strike out #1 and renumber the remainder Page 20 . B . Lot dimensions and area shall be as follows : 1 . • Page 29 . Section 904 . strike out this section Page 32 . . i r a Page 32 . Add . lc . Subdivision , Existing : Any subdivision of land in the Town of Lansing which is filed in the office of the Town or County Clerk at the time these rules and regulations take effect . Page 37 . Chart of Procedure Strike out "EINOR SUBDIVISION ( approved ) " and the arrow below it . Page 5 . B . The Preliminary Plat drawing must have the approval of the Tompkins County Health Department before it is submitted for approval . • 4111