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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1967-11-27 Minutes LANSING PLANNING BOARD • November 27 , 1967 : Town Hall Special Meeting PRESENT : Lansing Town Planning Board Members : Mr . James Showacre , Chairman ; Mrs . Viola Miller ; Messrs . Paul Barron , Alex Cima , Frederick Edmondson , John Ettinger Lansing Town Board Members : Messrs . Harris Dates..; James Kidney , Frederick Spry New York State Planning Office Members (Associate Planners": Messrs . Shepard Drogin , Philip Peters Planning Consultant : Mr . Thomas Niederkorn The meeting was called to order by Chairman Showacre at 8 : 10 p . m . The Chairman stated the purpose of the meeting - to review the application for 701 Program funds . Mr . Drogin explained the 701 Program , stating that its purpose is to encourage planning , and that it only seeks in a concise fashion to gather all the information necessary and present it in easily understood form . The informa - tion must , however , be included in the scope of services . A planning consultant is always hired to solve certain specific problems con- nected with the planning . NIEDERKORN Mentioned that he had already met with this Board several times and that the scope of services has been discussed SHOWACRE Noted that the scope of services as set forth will permit the Board to determine what is necesssry to be done . Some data are being gathered on a voluntary basis . DROGIN Made the following points : 1 . mOnFhh of the major probjems is going to be the commercial zoning of /Triphammer Road . It is no longer a question of trying to pre - vent commercial enterprise , ; but a question of controlling . it . This may necessitate regulations concerning landscaping , set -backs , and other related matters . 2 . In doing a land -use plan for Lansing it is necessary to con- sider the elements around the airport , but this may require some more specific studies covering such things as (a ) future expansion plans or (b ) what should be the uses of the land around the airport . 3 . The Board should try to determine what will be the effect of the proposed power generating plant , i . e . what kind of industry , if any , would it attract ? would it require new rights - of -way for its • utility lines ? how many new workers would it attract , and where would they live ? Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , November 27 , 1967 ; Town Hall , Special Meeting , page 2 • 4 . A study might be made of the steep topography and the feas - ibility of developing it for residential use . What are the pos - sibilities , if any , for this kind of development ? 5 . What is the impact of Cornell in terms of its future expan- sion , of its spinning off new and related industries ? Is it thinking of anything like this , and how would this affect Lansing ? 6 . The whole residential pattern of the country is changing from one - house - on- one - lot to a planned development , in terms of a total environment , in terms of water areas , conservation areas , and then relating new subdivision areas to these open areas . Perha %s Lansing could examine the ihatiamm trends and ascertain how the Town could develop its open areas . Mr . Drogin also stated that he would accept the scope of services just as it stands , if the Board does not feel that greater in- tensity studies of certain areas is necessary . He also suggested that if the Town survey which is being conducted supplies all the information considered necessary , along certain lines , then perhaps something else could be substituted in the scope of services . DATES Asked whether this means that something should be added to the • scope of services . DROGIN Said he meant only that certain areas are so important that you might request the consultant to do a specific study in order to arrive at specific answers . DATES Said he feels this is already covered . NIEDERKORN Agreed with this , but said it could be tied down more tightly . DATES Feels that the drainage problem is very important to Lansing , and is perhaps an engineering problem , but that this too would be covered in the scope of services as it stands . DROGIN The Town may wish to have a package presentation which would in- clude conservation , etc . , and this would take in drainage , con- servation and recreation areas . This provides a very strong weapon in dealing with subdividers , or in seeking funds . Since state and federal governments pay for five - sixths of the program , it may be well to consider this sort of presentation at this time . It is better to set forth exactly what the planner is to do , rather than to add services later on . In talking about the permanent use of open space , areas of this • sort in a town should be outlined and reserved permanently . When this is established , it can serve as a basis for requesting pub - lic funds and also provides a basis for denying a subdivider the use of certain lands because ofconflicts with permanent open land use . Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , November 27 , 1967 ; Town Hall , Special Meeting , page 3 • The question is whether the scope of services satisfies the needs o f the Town . SHOWACRE Stated that this is a continuing program , and the consultant can be asked to perform other services at later dates . Some of the problems will come before the Town very soon and others at some ✓ emote period . ETTINGER Wouldn ' t the depth of these studies be unknown until you have at least started on a land -use map ? MILLER It would be a little difficult at this time to know in what areas leap to concentrate . The interest does not lie only in the south e nd of the Town . Wouldn ' t it be necessary to do more studies on the Town in order to decide where you want to put the emphasis ? NIEDERKORN The land - use map will be developed to show what is needed and what specific control is needed . SPRY What powers do you have ? NIEDERKORN Short of purchasing the land , you don ' t have very much power . SHOWACRE The Conservation Department has some say as to what we do with streams , etc . • DROGIN In looking at the whole picture you can ' t single out one thing . The Department of Agriculture is taking much more interest in rural development ; the Conservation Department is taking much more interest in land use ; the federal and state departments are also interested in providing money for recreation areas , etc . . All this may enable you to control subdivision use . DATES This seems to be a Utopian plan , and it seems to cover everything we need and meets all of our requirements . We can ' t afford per - fection , but anything is better than what we have now . DROGIN In order to present the application for processing we need to have from the Town : 1 . A letter from the local agency indicating that they do not want a neighborhood analysis . 2 . A local agency transmittal letter specifying the scope of services . 3 . A resolution of ordinance granting the Planning Board the power of subdivision control . 4 . A letter describing the office space and equipment available . for the consultant , where he can store maps , records , and have a suitable place in' which to work . r Minutes , LANSING PLANNING BOARD , November 27 , 1967 ; Town Hall , Special Meeting , page 4 • 5 . AA resolution letter from the Town Board indicating that they will pay the one - sixth share ; payment can be made after the pro - gram is completed , generally three years after the program was started . With the total cost at $ 33 , 776 , the Town would have to pay $ 5 , 629 , and the public funds share would be $ 28 , 117 . After the consultant has submitted all of the material , it will take the State about a month / a onar � iensthe ' material will be sub - mitted to the federal government . This may take another month or so , or there may be a long delay , which may mean no approval for six months or even longer after the material is submitted . A priority system may also delay the processing , although Lansing would be scored high because of its many problems . EDMONDSON Will county planning take the place of town planning ? PETERS No ; we are happy to see a Planning Board which is tied in with county planning . DROGIN The State takes a larger look if the boards are allied . Better and more help is available if the planning is on a county basis . DATES The fact that there will shortly be county planning means that the Lansing Town Planning Board will not be less useful , but will • be busier than it is now . SHOWACRE I Town and county regulations are often interrelated , and there will be coordination between the two when they are both active groups . DROGIN The consultant has estimated his cost as $ 30 , 980 . The State ad - ministrative cost , to provide a representative to attend numerous meetings and provide a second professional , is $ 2 , 468 . The fed - eral inspection fee is $ 328 . The total cost of the project is therefore $ 33 , 776 , of which the Town share is $ 5 , 629 . The admin- istrative charge will not increase even if it costs the State more ; and it will decrease if it costs the State less . The State acts as a third party and contracts with the consultant and handles all negotiations with him on his contract . PETERS It is important that the Town Board and the Town Planning Board be in accord as the work proceeds . The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 20 p . m . 4110