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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973-12-12 GROTON TOWN PLANNING BOARD Meeting held at the Town Hall , Groton , New York Wednesday , December 12 , 1973 8 P-. M . - 9 : 45 P . M . D . Payne - President* Others : G . Totman - Vice -President* J . Bell* Z . Kane - Secretary * J . Lockwood* R . Gleason * L . Kelley' D . Chase* F . Scheffler* * - Denotes those present . D . Payne : Mr . Lockwood is here concerning his proposed minor subdivision and here are his preliminary plans . D . Chase : Where is this ? D . Payne : On Old Stage Road , - -right ? L . Kelley : Right . D . Payne : Now Mr . Lockwood had previously sold this portion here on a land contract . F . Scheffler : Wait a minute , - -which side is that ? Z . Kane : Right over there - - by my house . F . Scheffler : 0 . K . Guess I know where that is now . D . Payne : He is now in the process of selling this parcel , which would be the second one . D . Chase : Is that about 5 - 1 / 2 acres there ? D . Payne : Yes , in fact here is a surveyor ' s map of the area he is in the process of selling now , - - 5 . 7 acres . F . Scheffler : Who does the other property belong to ? Mr . Lockwood : All of the land is mine . Z . Kane : Is that where the Woods live now ? Mr . Lockwood : Right . D . Payne : I understand this area has been approved by the Board of Health for a sand filter ? Mr . Kelley : Yes , it has . - 1 - D . Payne : Where are you located on this ? Where is your house ? D . Chase : How far up Old Stage Road is it from say the Salt Road down ? Mr . Lockwood : Maybe a mile . D . Chase : West of the Salt Road ? Mr . Lockwood : No , East , - - I ' d say 3 /4 mile . Just a hair over 1 mile ; from the Groton Fire Department , D . Chase : That would be on the right hand side of the road going East ? Z . Kane : Right . D . Payne : So you probably wouldn ' t have room for more lots there anyways , would you , - - so wouldn ' t need major subdivision regulations . I don ' t think there ' s any question but that this would be a minor subdivision . Does anybody have any questions ? D . Chase : Are you planning to sell the property as is , or build on it and sell it , or what ? G . Totman : This is marked off now and Lee is going to buy just the land and build his own house . Mr . Kelley : Right . That ' s my surveyor ' s map there . G . Totman : All you are doing is just buying the land from him and you are going to build a house or put a trailer on there ? Mr . Kelley : Not definite yet , probably would put a double trailer in but am not sure . G . Totman : I really don ' t see any big problem but we do have a job to do and rules and guidelines to follow and have to ask some questions . My only question is what do you really plan on doing with this horseshoe piece of land you have left over ? Mr . Lockwood : Keep it . Lee owns 5 acres but no sense monkeying up the property lines so gave it to him , - - told him to go right back . So the lines would be straight . Mr . Kelley : There ' s a road to a gravel pit in here somewhere . Some discussion was held on when this could be or might be changed from a minor to a major subdivision by G . Totman , Mr . Kelley and others . D . Chase : I don ' t have any more questions . D . Payne : Do you feel any restrictions should be added to this ? G . Totman : I don ' t . D . Payne : Your section has been approved for sand filter by the Board of Health . G . Totman : Do you understand what happens if we give the preliminary - 2 - G . Totman : approval tonight ? What the course is according to law ? Mr . Kelley : No , I ' m afraid not . D . Payne : Mr . Lockwood has a copy of the subdivision regulations . Mr . Lockwood : Right . G . Totman : It would be good to read them . As I understand it now , just briefly , even though it ' s a minor subdivision we still have to hold a public hearing on it . Mr . Kelley : Don explained that to us . D . Payne : The next consideration is going to be as soon as you have the rest of the information for us , surveyor ' s map and so on , get in touch with me . Mr . Lockwood : You mean I have to have the whole thing surveyed ? D . Payne : Yes , according to the regulations . Mr . Lockwood : It doesn ' t seem hardly fair . Z . Kane : It isn ' t anything we have any say in , - - it ' s just one of those rules . D . Payne : You mentioned this had been surveyed before , - -when ? Mr . Kelley : The surveyor who did it has gone out of business since then and sold all his rights . Mr . Lockwood : He hasn ' t come up with them , has he ? Mr . Kelley : No . Some discussion was had on the advisability and reason for hav- ing to have a survey done . Mr . Lockwood : So I have to have this whole thing surveyed out , right ? D . Payne : You have a copy of the subdivision regulations , right . Mr . Lockwood : Yes . D . Payne : 0 . K . Now on page 33 are the requirements that you will have to have for our next meeting so we can come up with a decision on this before the public hearing . G . Totman : Other than these , I see no problem with this . Once we meet and have the necessary papers can then hold the public hearing . D . Payne : Do you know Ben Bucko , the Town Attorney? Mr . Lockwood : Yes . D . Payne : You might call him on this and see if there is any other way out . - 3 - Mr . Lockwood : We ' ll see what we can do on it . Mr . Kelley : It ' s listed on page ? Z . Kane : Page 33 . Mr . Kelley : 0 . K. D . Payne : We also have your appication here and there ' s a $ 20 . 00 fee . Mr . Lockwood : Do I pay that tonight ? D . Payne : No , when you come in next time - - it ' s to help cover advertising the public hearing in the paper and so on . You have to come up with this within 6 months of the time you apply or we have to start all over again . G . Totman : It ' s a good idea to hold up your $ 20 . fee until you get the papers needed . You might better hold up on it . D . Payne : That ' s what I said . I have his application here for now . Mr . Kelley : 0 . K. G . Totman : Sorry we can ' t help you more . D . Payne : As I said .you might check with Ben Bucko , - - I don ' t know if he would be willing to accept a tax map . Z . Kane : Or whether he could , - -he has no right to . Tell Mr . Bucko that this part has been surveyed , - - see if that helps any , - - right ? D . Chase : You ought to have a map anyways . Z . Kane : Once you do it you have it for later on . G . Totman : I ' d start reading on page 7 and then go on to page 33 . It ' s quite simple . Mr . Lockwood : When should I get this back to you ? D . Payne : Let me know when you have the information and we can hold a special meeting ._ _ S � sometime after the first of the year would be fine . Mr . Lockwood : Will try to get it to you within a week or two . (At this point Mr . Lockwood and Mr . Kelley left the hall . ) D . Payne : Our next order of business is the possibility of a trailer park coming into the Town of Groton . Dana Snell dropped the plans off at my house last week for us to look at and give any comments : we might have . Now I understand from Dana , and from Hicks DoVA both , that these plans have already been accepted by the Town Board . Z . Kane : It said that in the Ithaca Journal , too . - 4 - D . Payne : Now I don ' t know if this means they have been approved by the Town Board - - Z . Kane : It said they had referred them to the Planning Board .for review . G . Totman : The Ithaca Journal said they were referring them to the Planning Board . That ' s what I said to Don tonight , - -Don told me when I came that Hicks and Dana told him they had already approved them but gave them to us for comments . The rules say they go to us and doesn ' t say the Town Board can approve or accept them so if they have accepted them I feel we should send them right back to them and say next time to send them to us first . D . Chase : That ' s what we ' re here for . D . Payne : We actually have no - - - - - - - - - - - - - as far as mobile homes are concerned . Only thing we are involved in is that the plans should come to us for them prior to approval . D . Chase : Not a subdivision then , - -O . K. D . Payne : And under the regulations have to reply within 30 days after we receive them . F . Scheffler : Seems you might get a little static from people as it ' s right in West Groton . Some discussion was held on this by all present . G . Totman : You can correct me if I ' m wrong on this but the way I read this - - go back to the zoning ordinance and under land use activities - - 601 . 4 mobile home parks and sales - - it says permissible in an agricultural zone under special conditions and if you go look back under special conditions - - F . Scheffler : West Groton isn ' t agricultural though , is it ? G . Totman : Where is this park in connection with this right here ? Alright that means that it ' s in a medium zone and under medium zone you cannot put a trailer park in there so the whole thing is out ! D . Payne : Where is this location , - -nothing on the map that shows where it is ? Some discussion was held on this by F . Scheffler , D . Payne , G . Totman and others . G . Totman : What we have to know is how many feet from here to where Ferris lives : F . Scheffler : See that creek right there . Z . Kane : There ' s a creek right there . G . Totman : Then he ' s inside of the creek ? - 5 - y F . Scheffler : Right . G . Totman : Then it ' s out c = there ' s no problem . Z . Kane : Except that the Town Board has already approved it . Why don ' t you call Hicks ? D . Payne : He isn ' t home tonight . G . Totman : He is asking for a trailer park in West Groton on Cobb Street and the way it looks here the area where he is asking for the park is in a medium intensity zone - - Article 601 . 14 - - "Mobile homes are only allowed in agricultural zone under special per - mit . . . " R . Gleason : But this would not be in an agricultural zone . G . Totman : According to the map we have Ithat property is in a medium in - tensity zone which doesn ' t allow trailer parks anyways0so there ' s no question about it , - - it ' s illegal . R . Gleason : He can take it to the Zoning Board of Appeals if he wants to . D . Payne : Roger , you mentioned something you wanted to discuss tonight . R . Gleason : I have a couple of lots up here on Clark Street Extension , - - these two lots are surveyed . Z . Kane : You have to have the whole thing surveyed . Don ' t say it isn ' t fair because Mr . Lockwood already said that ! R . Gleason : No kidding ? Because if it ' s true I agree with him , - to hell with it , - - I ' m not about to pay for that ! There is a space between the two lots and I might have a sur - veyor fill in the space between . Some discussion was held on what Mr . Gleason would need to have surveyed by Mr . Gleason , D . Chase , D . Payne :AM others . G . Totman : I think we ought to make a note that this is not defined clearly enough under definitions and we should have a change put in there . More discussion was held on subdivision regulations by all present . G . Totman : We talked with Mr . Lockwood and said he had to have this surveyed . Right here Mr . Kelley has got a surveyor ' s map stating they picked a property line from James William Lockwood ' s residen•.ce and from deed - he has a licensed surveyor ' s map that this piece of land is what he says it is . Then the technicallity:: comes up as to whether Lockwood should have to give us a surveyor ' s map of the other lot he sold and not of the whole property . More discussion was held on this subject by all . D . Payne : I ' m going to call Ben Bucko tomorrow and make a point of showing this to him . - 6 - ( Zana Kane asked permission to leave early and D . Payne ( said it was alright . ) R . Gleason : When do you become a major subdivision , - -when you go over 4 ? D . Payne : Yes . G . Totman : 4 if we determine - - D . Payne : While you are discussing that I ' ll go talk to Dana . G . Totman : It says here - - "The Board . . . . . . Minor Subdivision . . . . . . " so it depends on the rest of the land and whatever is sur - rounding the land . R . Gleason : Now the fee for a major subdivision is $ 20 . 00 ? G . Totman : Don , are you going to see Ben Bucko ? D . Payne : Yes . G . Totman : About what ? D . Payne : I ' m going to see him about what a tract means in subdivision ordinance and . the other thing about the Lockwood deal if he really has to have the whole thingmsurveyed . ( Don Chase made the motion that the meeting be adjourned and Frank Scheffler seconded the motion , - - the motion carried . ) (Mr . Payne said he would advise everyone when the next meeting would be but would hold off setting a date until he heard further from Mr . Lockwood . ) Respectfully submitted , C Jo ephine Bell - 7 -